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BAD25 | Charts & Sales History

ConservativeMind said:
I just thought of something.. I am thinking that they only shipped a certain amount perhaps to protect the "current" artist or they just dropped the ball on shipping a mass quantity of albums, I know Thriller 25 sold a hell of a lot more than Bad 25 in it's first week so what is going on?
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I do think there are some serious problems with the shipments. I don't know if they manufactured too few copies, or what the problem is, but something is wrong if fans all over the world complain about supply problems. Individual stores just not ordering enough copies might explain it if there were problems only in some stores, but it seems the same problems are everywhere. Either stores never had the box sets, or they were quickly sold out. Maybe the demand for an anniversary edition like this isn't very high, but it seems clear to me that the demand is higher than the supply now.

BTW, I hate that yahoo article. Why is it always mentioned that Bad didn't sell as much as Thriller? What album has sold as much as Thriller? If we go by the logic that selling less than Thriller=flop, then every album by every artist ever is a gigantic flop. But no, of course it's only Michael whose sales are disappointing if he doesn't at least double Thriller's sales every time he releases an album.
 
Well there's a bit of good news. Wembley DVD is # 1

Michael Jackson Live At Wembley July 16, 1988 is Michael Jackson's seventh video to reach #1 on Top Music Videos (which debuted in March 1985 as Top Music Videocassettes). It follows Moonwalker (22 weeks at #1 in 1989), Michael Jackson: The Legend Continues (two weeks in 1989), Video Greatest Hits—HIStory (seven weeks in 1995), HIStory Vol. 2 (two weeks in 1997), Number Ones (one week in 2004 and 13 additional weeks following his death in 2009) and Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour (five weeks in 2009-2010).

Jackson had reason to be feeling good at the time of the Wembley show. Just two weeks earlier, Bad had made history as the first album to spawn five #1 singles on the Hot 100. ("Dirty Diana" claimed the top spot on July 2.) The album ranked #20 on The Billboard 200 on July 16, not "bad" for an album in its 43rd week on the chart.

Live At Wembley is the first DVD by an American artist to reach #1 on Top Music Videos since Lady Gaga's The Monster Ball Tour At Madison Square Garden in November. The top spot has since been dominated by Adele (for 24 weeks) and One Direction (for 16 weeks), with one-week interruptions by George Harrison and Sade.
 
I hate that unfair article. Michael won 7 for Thriller and 1 for Bad. The 8th one was for ET. Why aren't they mentioning that Bad is the best selling albums ever and certified 8 times platinum in the US. And what's with this separation of sales. Its ridiculous and doesn't make sense. That deluxe should be counted for both the DVD and Bad CD.
 
WildStyle said:
Everyone here knows this is a much better release than Thriller 25, and easily the best thing the estate has released.
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I'm worried the estate won't see it that way thanks to the sales. :(

Stuff like this is pure BS and why I wanted it to be successful:
In a way, this week's so-so debut for Bad is fitting: In its time, Bad was seen by many as a somewhat disappointing follow-up to Thriller. Was that judgment fair or unfair? You decide.
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Pink's number one right now, right? As if that album is better than Bad based on this week's sales.

Bad's still the fifth best selling album in the world, ever. I'll wait to see where this Pink album ranks in global sales.

If they didn't tally the two things differently, where would Bad be in the charts?
 
who cares...BAD has sold over 40 million copies worldwide. Why didn't Billboard mention that? it's the # 5 selling album of all time. Why didn't Billboard mention that? and the recent totals will only add to it.. GO MJ!! Besides MJ's estate and his kids own the Beatles Catalog anyway so it can keep on selling for all we care.:rofl:
 
Billboard knows the music industry sucks right now.. Pink will drop like a rock next week
 
I think the combined sales are still very disappointing in the USA. Its about half of what Immortal sold.
 
And what about the most expensive boxset, does that count as the 3CD one?
 
I am so furious at Sony right now. If I could return my case I would. I really would.
 
I find it hard to imagine that the MJ store isn't reporting sales. I think we're simply looking for someone to blame this fiasco on. I see the 2 CD version everywhere here. Its maybe just the deluxe version that was made in limited numbers.
la_cienega said:
And what about the most expensive boxset, does that count as the 3CD one?
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I think Billboard will say that that one has too many non music related items (ear buds etc) and disqualify it altogether.
 
la_cienega said:
Pink's number one right now, right? As if that album is better than Bad based on this week's sales.
Bad's still the fifth best selling album in the world, ever. I'll wait to see where this Pink album ranks in global sales.
If they didn't tally the two things differently, where would Bad be in the charts?
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If the sales were combined I guess it would be in the top 20, maybe around #13 or so?

It's funny that Pink's album is seen as hugely successful now, because it's the #1 album this week. Congratulations to Pink, that's a great accomplishment, but it will most likely drop next week when other big releases are out. Also it's her first US number 1 album even though she's been in the business for 13 years. So, her album that's #1 for 1 week is a great success, whereas Bad is seen as a disappointment because it was #1 for "only" six weeks.
 
SOMETHING OLD, SOMETHING NEW

Hi Gary,

My question is in regard to album re-releases. We have seen that a fair number of albums, hugely successful or not, get re-released in some way or another. What is the new-song limit that Billboard has when counting an album as a re-release or not?

I remember Rihanna's album "Good Girl Gone Bad" was 're-loaded' with three new tracks last year, but the chart life of the album was combined with its first version. Will the Nov. 23 re-release of Lady Gaga's debut collection, re-entitled "The Fame Monster," be considered a re-release or a new album? It will contain not three or four new songs, but eight, which is even more than those on a standard EP or Taylor Swift's "Platinum Edition" of "Fearless," which contains six new songs.

Thank you,

Juan Croussett
Tampa, Florida


Hi Juan,

For the clearest explanation as to how Billboard will chart the releases you mention, I asked Billboard 200 chart manager Keith Caulfield. Here is his response:

"Billboard has many guidelines about the merging of so-called special edition albums with their original parent albums. Generally speaking, two or more versions of an album will not be merged if the title of the special edition version is substantially different from the original. For Lady Gaga's 'The Fame' and 'The Fame Monster,' we feel that the change was in line with what we've allowed in the past (a la Rihanna's 'Good Girl Gone Bad' and 'Good Girl Gone Bad Reloaded').

"Additionally, for our chart purposes, there is no limit as to how many audio tracks or songs can be added to an original album, as long as the additional audio content does not extend beyond one additional CD (or digital equivalent) and the content of the standard edition remains intact.

"Thus, the reissue of Lady Gaga's 'The Fame' in a deluxe version ('The Fame Monster') with additional songs will have its sales combined with the original 'Fame' album. The same goes for the 'Platinum Edition' of Taylor Swift's 'Fearless'."



http://www.billboard.com/news/ask-b...g-gaga-for-album-re-releases-1004032222.story
 
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^^Thanks for that Billboard answer. I remember reading that, but couldn't find the link.

So counting the 3CD edition separately from the original Bad+2 CD edition is actually consistent with Billboard's policy. Whether their policy is a good one is a whole another question.
 
Memefan said:
Billboard is not to blame. Read their rules. I am sure Sony has it plastered somewhere in their office.
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Sony did their job, the promotion. The rest doesn't depend on them or on The Estate.
 
This is just in from the FB group "The Official Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California"

*******BILLBOARD: Bad re-enters Top Catalog Albums at #1. It's Jackson's fourth album to top this chart. Thriller logged 11 weeks at #1 in 2008. The Essential Michael Jackson spent one week at #1 in March 2009 (again, before Jackson's death). Number Ones logged 28 weeks at #1 in 2009 and 2010 (beginning the week after his death).
Michael Jackson Live At Wembley July 16, 1988 enters Top Music Videos at #1 this week, displacing One Direction's Up All Night—The Live Tour.
 
Memefan said:
Not only are Billboard not combining BAD & BAD 25 sales...but BAD 25 SOLD less than 15K in the WHOLE USA?

There is no way mj.com sales were reported. I refuse to believe Sony reported those sales.
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27K copies not 15K
 
So now the question is how to keep the momentum in an upswing through the holiday season? The billboard debut was pretty deflating but that leaves a ton of room for improvement (trying to stay optimistic lol)
 
The Bad 25 2CD and the 3CD box set sales combined are 27k. So even if Billboard combined the sales, Bad 25 wouldn't be on the Top 10. I find this very strange. I think MJ.com didn't report the sales.
 
I don't buy Billboard's explanation. The Fame Monster was pretty much a new album. In fact the new songs were even sold separately. But this Bad album has 2 additional discs that are very closely related: Demos, Remixes, Live versions of the same album.

Unless we get one successful single on the radio, this project is going to fade away in the USA.
 
Nathy MJ said:
The Bad 25 2CD and the 3CD box set sales combined are 27k. So even if Billboard combined the sales, Bad 25 wouldn't be on the Top 10. I find this very strange. I think MJ.com didn't report the sales.
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Is that possible? I don't think so. They have to give their numbers. Can someone contact the Estate or MJOnlineTeam? Those are very disappointing numbers. They were predicting sales around 125k few weeks ago. But again maybe people had enough with MICHAEL and Immortal and now they think that this release is shitty also, which is not.
 
BAD25 is nowhere to be found in Denmark - so naturally it hasn't charted!

I have not seen it in a single musicstore - same problem with the DVD - it's like it has not been released in Denmark. - Even the staff in the music stores do not know anything about BAD25 have been released!!!

It sucks!
 
It was today available for the first day in Croatia. And release date was September 17, 2012!!! More than a week late!
 
ya'll should calm down... I think it's good. Don't forget BAD is 25 years old and it has sold around 45 MILLION copies. It is the 5th biggest selling album of all time. Why are ya'll tripping? The music industry is a mess right now. No one is selling albums like they used to. Pink is #1 now but she probably won't even do a million by the time the life of her album is over. Justin Bieber debuted high has he sold a million yet? Madonna 'sold' high her first week by giving away her album and she dropped 80% the next and hasn't even sold 500,000 copies yet. So the fact that BAD is even on the charts and scoring high in other countries is a plus to me.
 
^ Yeah Bieber's gone platinum with that album so he sold a million.

It doesn't make sense to me that this didn't sell well. I'm concerned about future sales.
 
This is the 4th album in 3 years.... excluding post June 25th sale. Michael fatigue....? Market saturation?

And we can't forget our beloved Jacksons, keeping their names in the news for all the wrong reasons. don't forget they captured worldwide news just 60 days ago for another debacle.

So it was the perfect storm for the greatest estate release since June 2009

And we have yet to get confirmation on whether or not Sony reported their sales.
 
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