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BAD25 | Charts & Sales History

Yeah, waiting for Billboard charts:timer:

So next time we'd better to buy out music from Amazon and other places, not from MJ.com?

If there is someone from estate or Sony reading, start giving out the numbers to Billboard and other chart holders:eek:hno:
 
FRANCE
Week Sept. 23th - 2012

Top 200 CURRENT ALBUMS (Physical)
Bad 25th #5 (NE): 1 Wk

Top 200 COMPREHENSIVE ALBUMS (Current+Catalogue+Compilations - Physical+Digital)
Bad 25th #5 (NE): 1 Wk
Bad #165 (RE): 23 Wks

Top 40 MUSIC VIDEOS
Live At Wembley 1988 #1 (+2): 2 Wks

Live At Wembley 1988 is the 4th Mike's Video release to reach #1 on the Video Music Chart!

*With thanks to pierpinto at Chartbusters
http://chartbusters.forumfree.it/?t=60966251&st=360
 
Memefan said:
MJ.com sales are not included in HDD or BB, unless Sony takes it upon itself to inform each & every country's charts how many bought the CD from their home country.

I doubt Sony will bother with this ...but they might surprise me. I wish I had known this...I would have purchased my sets from Amazon, not Myplay.
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Horakhty said:
I just checked on UKMIX that ~1% of the total UK sales for Bad25 are box-sets, which means less than 100 copies! :eek:

So now we're sure that MJJ.com and MyPlayDirect didn't report sales to OCC, and the same will probably happen about Billboard.


That's why sales are low! :bugeyed
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Memefan said:
100 is very low...Sony/Estate needs to come clean on whether or not they reported the sale.

of coursed they pushed their own store from the beginning because they get a bigger margin from those sales, not having to share it with Amazon or Walmart etc. but this shouldn't be at MJ's statistical expense.
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I think they would report such sales to US sales only. Because isn't the sales are about where it's bought and not where it is shipped? I would assume that Amazon USA for example would report the sales to Nielsen Soundscan / Billboard for USA and will not bother with dividing it up to which country it was shipped as the purchase place is US. Similarly I would think MJ.com / MYplay report their sales to US. If Billboard number comes significantly higher than HDD number that might be the reason.
 
Sales in Japan (first week):
BAD25 - 25,753 copies
DVD Wembley - 8,830 copies
 
For the chart results

- please give sources for the info, mention the chart name and if it's official or not, provide a link if you can

Also please can someone have a post of the all of the countries & chart positions and update it as the info comes in and that it's verified that the info is from an official source.
 
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I think they would report such sales to US sales only. Because isn't the sales are about where it's bought and not where it is shipped? I would assume that Amazon USA for example would report the sales to Nielsen Soundscan / Billboard for USA and will not bother with dividing it up to which country it was shipped as the purchase place is US. Similarly I would think MJ.com / MYplay report their sales to US. If Billboard number comes significantly higher than HDD number that might be the reason.
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You raised a very good point here. But I have been told, they have to give out information based on where it is shipped. That's one of the reason Itunes is split by country... some from Spain can't buy a CD on Itunes USA. Well,there are ways around this, but f.....nevermind.

Billboard comes out in a couple of hours, we will know for sure soon.
 
#2 Spain
#4 Germany
#5 France
#6 UK
#6 Netherlands
#10 Japan
#14 Sweden
#15 Belgium WA
#19 Ireland
#27 Finland
#31 Belgium FL

(I've updated the French and Spanish chart positions, source: French Album Chart http://www.chartsinfrance.net/charts/albums.php.
Spanish Album Chart: http://www.afyve.com/files/listassemanales/albumes/top 100 albumes (publicar)_w38.2012.pdf)

These are official chart positions, the sources have been mentioned in previous posts. I can update this post with links to the other charts too, but for now I only put the links to the Spanish and French charts because I haven't seen the links posted yet.
 
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Bad 25 does not feature on the ARIA charts as yet, I'll keep checking......

ARIA......Official Australian Charts.
 
No mention of Bad 25 in the Top 10..just strange.

Michael Jackson's 1987 album Bad re-enters The Billboard 200 at #23, while a deluxe 25th anniversary edition debuts at #46. The two albums sold a combined total of 27K copies, about one-sixth of the number (166K) that a 25th anniversary release of Jackson's most famous album, Thriller, sold in its first week in February 2008. (That was 16 months before Jackson's untimely death, so sympathy wasn't a factor.) Thriller 25 would have ranked #2 for two weeks if catalog albums had been eligible to make The Billboard 200 (as they are now).

In a way, this week's so-so debut for Bad is fitting: In its time, Bad was seen by many as a somewhat disappointing follow-up to Thriller. Was that judgment fair or unfair? You decide.

Bad entered The Billboard 200 at #1 in September 1987 (when that was still a rare event. It was only the sixth album to achieve the feat.) It was the first album in chart history to spawn five #1 singles, a feat not duplicated until last year, when Katy Perry's Teenage Dream did it. For all its success, Bad didn't sell as well as Thriller or enjoy the near-universal acclaim that Thriller did. Where Thriller was #1 for 37 weeks, Bad was #1 for just six weeks. Where Jackson went home with a record-setting eight Grammys in February 1984, he went home empty-handed in February 1988. (U2's The Joshua Tree took Album of the Year.)

Deluxe reissues of a few other classic albums also got off to faster starts than Bad did this week. The Beatles' Abbey Road sold 89K copies in its first week in September 2009. The Rolling Stones' Exile On Main St. sold 76K copies in its first week in May 2010. Pearl Jam's Ten sold 60K in its first week in March 2009.

Bad re-enters Top Catalog Albums at #1. It's Jackson's fourth album to top this chart. Thriller logged 11 weeks at #1 in 2008. The Essential Michael Jackson spent one week at #1 in March 2009 (again, before Jackson's death). Number Ones logged 28 weeks at #1 in 2009 and 2010 (beginning the week after his death).

Michael Jackson Live At Wembley July 16, 1988 enters Top Music Videos at #1 this week, displacing One Direction's Up All Night—The Live Tour. Details below.
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Billboard don't seem to combine sales of BAD 25th & BAD.
 
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Is BAD 25 anywhere near million sold? Executors said they are going to release another clip of SP's document once million is sold.
Damn, if I was rich, I would buy so many of BAD 25 so it would be Billboard NO 1 album.
 
Michael Jackson's 1987 album Bad re-enters The Billboard 200 at #23, while a deluxe 25th anniversary edition debuts at #46. The two albums sold a combined total of 27K copies, about one-sixth of the number (166K) that a 25th anniversary release of Jackson's most famous album, Thriller, sold in its first week in February 2008. (That was 16 months before Jackson's untimely death, so sympathy wasn't a factor.) Thriller 25 would have ranked #2 for two weeks if catalog albums had been eligible to make The Billboard 200 (as they are now).In a way, this week's so-so debut for Bad is fitting: In its time, Bad was seen by many as a somewhat disappointing follow-up to Thriller. Was that judgment fair or unfair? You decide.Bad entered The Billboard 200 at #1 in September 1987 (when that was still a rare event. It was only the sixth album to achieve the feat.) It was the first album in chart history to spawn five #1 singles, a feat not duplicated until last year, when Katy Perry's Teenage Dream did it. For all its success, Bad didn't sell as well as Thriller or enjoy the near-universal acclaim that Thriller did. Where Thriller was #1 for 37 weeks, Bad was #1 for just six weeks. Where Jackson went home with a record-setting eight Grammys in February 1984, he went home empty-handed in February 1988. (U2's The Joshua Tree took Album of the Year.)Deluxe reissues of a few other classic albums also got off to faster starts than Bad did this week. The Beatles' Abbey Road sold 89K copies in its first week in September 2009. The Rolling Stones' Exile On Main St. sold 76K copies in its first week in May 2010. Pearl Jam's Ten sold 60K in its first week in March 2009.Bad re-enters Top Catalog Albums at #1. It's Jackson's fourth album to top this chart. Thriller logged 11 weeks at #1 in 2008. The Essential Michael Jackson spent one week at #1 in March 2009 (again, before Jackson's death). Number Ones logged 28 weeks at #1 in 2009 and 2010 (beginning the week after his death).Michael Jackson Live At Wembley July 16, 1988 enters Top Music Videos at #1 this week, displacing One Direction's Up All Night—The Live Tour.
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What a joke!
 
... its a promo disaster for USA, really disappointing... because it seems that people have forgot the BAD era, you know that BAD era.
Where are all these 30+ y.o. people who experienced that amazing era?
Well, they simply ignore MJ, or dont want to be associated with him.
 
Someone isn't counting sales. Every FYE and Walmart that I have been into this week where either A. short because people have been buying or B. Sold out.
I know the Best Buy right by my house is out and are waiting for another shipment and that's for both the Standard edition and Deluxe edition.
So yes, There not counting sales.
 

Michael Jackson's 1987 album Bad re-enters The Billboard 200 at #23, while a deluxe 25th anniversary edition debuts at #46. The two albums sold a combined total of 27K copies, about one-sixth of the number (166K) that a 25th anniversary release of Jackson's most famous album, Thriller, sold in its first week in February 2008.

(That was 16 months before Jackson's untimely death, so sympathy wasn't a factor.)Thriller 25 would have ranked #2 for two weeks if catalog albums had been eligible to make The Billboard 200 (as they are now).

In a way, this week's so-so debut for Bad is fitting: In its time, Bad was seen by many as a somewhat disappointing follow-up to Thriller. Was that judgment fair or unfair? You decide.



Bad entered The Billboard 200 at #1 in September 1987 (when that was still a rare event. It was only the sixth album to achieve the feat.) It was the first album in chart history to spawn five #1 singles, a feat not duplicated until last year, when Katy Perry's Teenage Dream did it. For all its success, Bad didn't sell as well as Thriller or enjoy the near-universal acclaim that Thriller did. Where Thriller was #1 for 37 weeks,Bad was #1 for just six weeks. Where Jackson went home with a record-setting eight Grammys in February 1984, he went home empty-handed in February 1988. (U2's The Joshua Tree took Album of the Year.)



Deluxe reissues of a few other classic albums also got off to faster starts than Bad did this week. The Beatles' Abbey Road sold 89K copies in its first week in September 2009. The Rolling Stones' Exile On MainSt. sold 76K copies in its first week in May 2010. Pearl Jam's Ten sold 60K in its first week in March 2009.

Bad re-enters Top Catalog Albums at #1. It's Jackson's fourth album to top this chart. Thriller logged 11 weeks at #1 in 2008. The Essential Michael Jackson spent one week at #1 in March 2009 (again, before Jackson's death). Number Ones logged 28 weeks at #1 in 2009 and 2010 (beginning the week after his death).

Michael Jackson Live At Wembley July 16, 1988 enters Top Music Videos at #1 this week, displacing One Direction's Up All Night—The Live Tour. Details below.

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Michael Jackson Live At Wembley July 16, 1988 is Michael Jackson's seventh video to reach #1 on Top Music Videos (which debuted in March 1985 as Top Music Videocassettes). It followsMoonwalker (22 weeks at #1 in 1989), Michael Jackson: The Legend Continues (two weeks in 1989), Video Greatest Hits—HIStory (seven weeks in 1995), HIStory Vol. 2 (two weeks in 1997),Number Ones (one week in 2004 and 13 additional weeks following his death in 2009) and Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour (five weeks in 2009-2010).

Jackson had reason to be feeling good at the time of the Wembley show. Just two weeks earlier, Badhad made history as the first album to spawn five #1 singles on the Hot 100. ("Dirty Diana" claimed the top spot on July 2.) The album ranked #20 on The Billboard 200 on July 16, not "bad" for an album in its 43rd week on the chart.

Live At Wembley is the first DVD by an American artist to reach #1 on Top Music Videos sinceLady Gaga's The Monster Ball Tour At Madison Square Garden in November. The top spot has since been dominated by Adele (for 24 weeks)and One Direction (for 16 weeks), with one-week interruptions by George Harrison and Sade.


http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-sept-23-2012-albums-not-bad-151919568.html
 
Not only are Billboard not combining BAD & BAD 25 sales...but BAD 25 SOLD less than 15K in the WHOLE USA?

There is no way mj.com sales were reported. I refuse to believe Sony reported those sales.
 
Double post I know,
I just thought of something.. I am thinking that they only shipped a certain amount perhaps to protect the "current" artist or they just dropped the ball on shipping a mass quantity of albums, I know Thriller 25 sold a hell of a lot more than Bad 25 in it's first week so what is going on?
 
They're counting Bad + Bad25 2cd as 'Bad' and Bad25 deluxe as 'Bad25'. Such a mess!
 
That's crazy! How can they not combine sales? It's same damn thing. It seems they are just bent on nixing out Michael's chart entries altogether. In 2008 it was some rule, and this year they conveniently consider the Deluxe and 2CD album as two separate releases.

Their attempts don't get anymore obvious than with that pathetic write-up for Bad.
 
Might pick up in week 2. Maybe they should have put a few more unreleased songs on disc 2? Perhaps people felt they weren't getting their moneys worth, or people who already owned Bad felt their wasn't enough new stuff to justify a purchase. Maybe it's that for decades the press have only praised Off The Wall and Thriller and slammed everything else. It may take a while for the public to come around to the fact that that was all BS, and the truth is that Michael just got better and better. It might take a few more years, a few more quality releases and a few more Joe Vogel's.

I don't think the estate should be discouraged. This is a quality release, and I think it will be looked back on as a success.
 
we must email the estate & Sony because something is very wrong. No promo in most countries.
 
I'm going to be really mad if that ridiculously overpriced collectors box set I shelled money out for isn't counted in the final tally! I personally bought 4 different versions of the Bad 25 released in order to support a strong 1st week of sales but if I had known that it wouldn't have made a difference, I would have waited for some holiday sales :(
 
I think we do need to get in touch with Estate. They need to set somethings straight with Billboards - like Bad25 Deluxe and Bad25 2CD is the same thing. Looking at my invoice here, and even Amazon classified the Deluxe as an 'Audio CD.'

Sadly I know my purchases aren't even contributing to the chart positions, if Amazon US separates non-US shipments from all the orders.

Plus, if you consider value over volume, I'm sure Bad25 raked in a lot more than some of those top 10s because of the price of the Deluxe.
 
Personally, if BAD 25 sales on mj.com weren't reported...I WILL NEVER AGAIN BUY ANOTHER PRODUCT ON SONY'S website. EVER.
 
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Billboard is just trying to dismiss MJ once again, that article is very clear to me. After 25 years and all success, Billboard cites once again how 'critics reacted', and they even compare its sales to Beatles's album, once we're know that Beatles' sales are complete, but not MJ's one.If MJ.com sales were counted, Bad25 would make the Top 5 with sales over 100k. Plus it's quite ridiculous how they separated standard and deluxe sales... But it's convenient, huh? That'll make Bad drop the charts fastly!
 
Everyone here knows this is a much better release than Thriller 25, and easily the best thing the estate has released.
 
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