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I think a lot of talk about interventions is because they feel guilty over his death, an intervention would have meant you really did give a sh** about him.
 
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Victory22 said:
Not to mention the children. If they believed Michael's drug problem was so serious why didn't they step in and force him to get help to protect the kids?
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Exactly. It's real easy for those people to talk who say that they tried to help Michael now that he is gone. But whenever his family talk about things like interventions, they always give the impression that he was completely out of control. If what they say was true, (and I personally don't believe it is), they should have put their foot down and told him that he would either have to get clean or they would ask Debbie to petition the court for custody of Michael's children. Michael was an adult. But I have heard of several situations in my lifetime where families of adults who are having major problems with drugs have told them that they MUST and WILL do something to save their own life so that they can live on to enjoy better things in their life and they can be around to watch their children grow up. Seriously, the family could have shaken Michael up a bit and motivated him to get himself back on track if what they've said was true about his so-called "issues". In the end, he would have had a new lease on life. And I'm sure that he would have thanked them for it later. To me, they have no business talking about "yes people" if they themselves left Michael alone to fall apart like that. And I don't buy it that as many times as we have heard them say the things they've said about him, they couldn't give him any "tough love". I really believe that something could have been done to save Michael if the Jacksons were telling the truth.
 
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I agree with both Victory and Kingofpopforever! How dare they get on tv talking about interventions and him needing help once he is dead. They should have said something before he died, not wait until he is dead. If they could say it now, why not say it when he supposedly needed help? They could have easily met with Debbie Rowe who knew what 'treatments' Klein was providing and said the kids will be taken if he doesn't seek help or something. The fact is the family didn't care. There is about 200 Jackson family members and Mike was close to 3T and a few others, so why weren't they involved in the interventions? You mean to tell me all those family members couldn't get through 2 or 3 bodyguards?
 
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Thus the song that is titled: "They Don't Really Care About Us".
 
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CherubimII said:
Thus the song that is titled: "They Don't Really Care About Us".
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so true... they didn't care.. If they did they would've done something about it. MJ was basically 'crying' out for help years ago. The crying, the plastic surgery, getting involved with horrible people, befriending rotten parents along with their rotten kids, why didn't his family INTERVENE then? Did anyone ever say 'hey Mike, don't let your guard down when it comes to folks' or 'hey Mike, I suggest you find another dermatologist because Klein is crazy and he is taking advantage of you'.. WHY IN THE HELL DIDN'T THEY DO ANYTHING?
 
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jaydom7 said:
so true... they didn't care.. If they did they would've done something about it. MJ was basically 'crying' out for help years ago. The crying, the plastic surgery, getting involved with horrible people, befriending rotten parents along with their rotten kids, why didn't his family INTERVENE then? Did anyone ever say 'hey Mike, don't let your guard down when it comes to folks' or 'hey Mike, I suggest you find another dermatologist because Klein is crazy and he is taking advantage of you'.. WHY IN THE HELL DIDN'T THEY DO ANYTHING?
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They did say stuff to Michael, plenty of stuff in my opinion, stuff like:

"Hi Mike, this is your brother Randy, I need some of YOUR money for a deal I'm trying to put together."

"Hi Michael, this is Jermaine, please tour the world with us."

"Hi son, this is Mother, please tour the world with your brothers, you know they need you."

"Hi Michael, this is Joe, why can't Leonard Rowe be your manager, we're on our way over, inform the guards to let us in."

"Hi son, this is Mother, not only do your brothers need you, I would like to see all of my boys on stage together again."

"Hi Mike, this is Randy, OPEN UP THE FREAKING DOOR RIGHT NOW, BEFORE I CALL THE PRESS!"

"Hi Michael, this is Mother, can I tell your brothers that you said yes?"

"Hi Mike, this is Janet, I'm setting up a conference with the whole family to discuss the reunion concert, please be available."

"Hi Michael, this is Joseph, I'm outside your door with the Magic Guy and Rowe, let us in, we have some business to discuss."

As you can see, they did plenty of talking, but none of it was for the benefit of Michael Jackson. I would say they were ALL just trying to benefit themselves and they have the nerve to point the finger at AEG.
 
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Philip Anschutz is one smart cookie, in selling AEG now!
 
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BigApple,

You summed that up nicely.. From 2006-2009, that is what the family publicly spoke about. Jermaine talked about a family reunion all the time and Janet made the same comment several times to Larry King and some other interviewee. Never was there any public concern from them regarding Michael's health or mental state even though he had just gotten through a hellish and fraudulent criminal trial. I didn't hear any one of them comment on that, or how MJ was doing mentally or physically. And like another poster said May 2009 would've been a good time for a family intervention at the anniversary party because all 200 of them were there and Mike was there.
 
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AliCat said:
Philip Anschutz is one smart cookie, in selling AEG now!
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The "possible" sale of AEG will not affect Randy's, oops, I mean Katherine Jackson's lawsuit.

Well that's IF folks agree to give their depositions and stop holding up the proceedings. Otherwise, we will still be talking about this lawsuit in 2014. Which is actually funny, when you think that the folks who brought this lawsuit are the very people who are holding up the proceedings.
 
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AliCat said:
Philip Anschutz is one smart cookie, in selling AEG now!
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why? he will win the lawsuit against Katherine
 
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We all know the fakeness of these interventions so why it keeps been discussed as if it did happen then why didnt the family help instead of talking now i dont know. its pointless and redundant. we know the family bar kj had no contact with mj except when they were hassling him to tour. And didnt even know about his insomnia as no doubt they were a major cause of it. all they care about is making themselves look good as the normal ones who tried to save the druggie when infact they were a major cause of his stress but god forbid they admit it and ruin the tight nit image they love to portray
 
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I've always been of the opinion that the Jackson's lawsuit was intended for the deep pockets of Philip Anschutz, not necessarily AEG Live or Randy Phillips. After all, Philip Anschutz is a billionaire, Randy Phillips is not. Conrad Murray does not have deep pockets, so the lawsuit against him was dropped. Murray was found negligent, but I still believe that Murray may have been under the impression that Michael Jackson may have been willing to stiff him and quite frankly could have cared less about his patient, Michael Jackson. Getting confronted by Kenny Ortega proved that. Michael's reputation was about stiffing people and not paying them as he was heavily in debt and Murray was getting desperate!

Philip Anschutz selling his company has rocked the Sports World!
 
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AliCat said:
I've always been of the opinion that the Jackson's lawsuit was intended for the deep pockets of Philip Anschutz, not necessarily AEG Live or Randy Phillips.
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In my opinion, the Jacksons don't care who's deep pockets they stick their hands in. They could care less where the money is coming from, whether it be Anschutz, AEG the company, Phillips, or all 3 combined.

They just want BIG MONEY, thats all they care about, where that Big Money actually comes from is not their problem. Just ask those guys from the "failed" MJ Forever Tribute Concert.
 
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AliCat;3716532 said:
Murray was found negligent, but I still believe that Murray may have been under the impression that Michael Jackson may have been willing to stiff him and quite frankly could have cared less about his patient, Michael Jackson. Getting confronted by Kenny Ortega proved that. Michael's reputation was about stiffing people and not paying them as he was heavily in debt and Murray was getting desperate!
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We know Murray didn´t care about Michael but he know Michael was going to earn a lot of money on the concerts.
Murray had his own insurance if Michael didn´t want his service anymore.
I mean the recording.
If Murray had watched over Michael and cared for him , the contract had been signed , Murray could have become a rich man and Michael had survived.
 
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I continue to believe that Conrad Murray was seething with anger toward Michael Jackson; because Michael had refused to sign Murray's AEG contract. Thus, Murray started directing reckless, harmful medical care onto Michael Jackson.

Ony one question remains: Did Conrad Murray continue his reckless medical care until he killed Michael Jackson; or after demanding again that Michael Jackson sign the contract and receiving, No, for an answer, did Murray, in a rage just murder Michael Jackson ?
 
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The Jackson’s are amazing! They can break though the bodyguards and meet with Michael when big business money deals are involved but when his health and his life is hanging in the balance they can’t move the bodyguards out of the way! What a convenient situation for the Jackson’s. I feel sick to my stomach when I think of the lack of care and concern MJ’s family gave to him and his children. The saddest part is that Michael was aware of their hatred and jealousy. That knowledge in addition to all the other injustices he suffered must have broken his heart. It’s a total miracle he didn’t suffer a complete mental collapse.

I believe Conrad Murray only cared about one thing from the moment he met Michael Jackson and that was BIG MONEY. Murray had contempt for Michael and I believe his care of MJ (or lack there of) was always sub-standard the entire time he was in charge. He didn't want to kill him but he didn't care about him either.
 
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CherubimII said:
I continue to believe that Conrad Murray was seething with anger toward Michael Jackson; because Michael had refused to sign Murray's AEG contract. Thus, Murray started directing reckless, harmful medical care onto Michael Jackson.

Ony one question remains: Did Conrad Murray continue his reckless medical care until he killed Michael Jackson; or after demanding again that Michael Jackson sign the contract and receiving, No, for an answer, did Murray, in a rage just murder Michael Jackson ?
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Omg i didnt know that :eek: i thought AEG had already signed that contract
 
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I think Murray did the recording as an ace in the hole to blackmail Michael into getting him a contract with AEG. That quack knew his salary request was out of order and unreasonable. At that time the highest paid concierge doctor was about $25-$30 thousand a month.
 
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pug said:
I think Murray did the recording as an ace in the hole to blackmail Michael into getting him a contract with AEG. That quack knew his salary request was out of order and unreasonable. At that time the highest paid concierge doctor was about $25-$30 thousand a month.
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Exactly!!!
 
8701girl;3716729 said:
Omg i didnt know that :eek: i thought AEG had already signed that contract
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It was Michael who should have signed the contract,it was Michael who hired him.
I think the contract had been ready to sign just a few days before Michael died.
It doesn´t make sense to me, it must have been in Murraý´s best interest to keep his patient alive to get money.
 
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It was brought out in the trial that AEG only had a discussion with Michael about hiring Murray. They had no intention of paying the quack the salary he was requesting and he was not licensed to practice in England. They intended to hire an English doctor once they got to England. Michael was pushing for Murray but AEG did not know why and AEG pushed the matter aside because they knew they would be leaving for England soon. At least Murray didn't get any compensation for the "medical treatment" he gave Michael. I never understood the Jackson's defense of him as being a "fall guy".
 
MIST;3716773 said:
It was Michael who should have signed the contract,it was Michael who hired him.
I think the contract had been ready to sign just a few days before Michael died.
It doesn´t make sense to me, it must have been in Murraý´s best interest to keep his patient alive to get money.
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You are right in what you say. It was not beneficial for Murray to kill Michael at all because he knew he would never get paid a penny and his blackmail tape would be useless. The dumb, lazy, playboy quack just messed up and murdered his golden meal ticket.
 
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I don't know whether Conrad Murray is an idiot or a demon.
 
MIST;3716773 said:
It was Michael who should have signed the contract,it was Michael who hired him.
I think the contract had been ready to sign just a few days before Michael died.
It doesn´t make sense to me, it must have been in Murraý´s best interest to keep his patient alive to get money.
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Oh ok i thought it was more aeg who hired murray for michael
Conrat didnt really care for michael at all i reckon
 
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Murray kept insisting that AEG pay him for his 'services' I even remember him giving them his bank information so they could do a direct deposit set up into his account. They hadn't paid him and I believe they had no intention on paying him. Murray wanted way too much money for him to be taking care of MJ who was supposedly healthy. Why does a healthy man need a doctor for $150,000 per month??? and MJ's kids didn't need him. They all should have had a pediatrician of their own since they are minors. Kids don't need a cardiologist as a doctor especially if none of them have heart problems
 
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jaydom7 said:
Murray kept insisting that AEG pay him for his 'services' I even remember him giving them his bank information so they could do a direct deposit set up into his account. They hadn't paid him and I believe they had no intention on paying him. Murray wanted way too much money for him to be taking care of MJ who was supposedly healthy. Why does a healthy man need a doctor for $150,000 per month???
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I believe that as well, i.e. that AEG had no intention of ever paying The Murderer any money, if they could help it that is.

When Murray made his first outlandish request for his monthly fee, (BEFORE he settled on the $150,000 per month), in my opinion, right there and then AEG was finished with his sorry behind. At that point, in my opinion, AEG didn't want anything to do with Murray and I don't think the way he spoke to Kenny Ortega during that "meeting," basically telling Ortega to mind his own business, helped his cause either.
 
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Big Apple2 said:
I believe that as well, i.e. that AEG had no intention of ever paying The Murderer any money, if they could help it that is.

When Murray made his first outlandish request for his monthly fee, (BEFORE he settled on the $150,000 per month), in my opinion, right there and then AEG was finished with his sorry behind. At that point, in my opinion, AEG didn't want anything to do with Murray and I don't think the way he spoke to Kenny Ortega during that "meeting," basically telling Ortega to mind his own business, helped his cause either.
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But Conrad Murray cotinued to pressure Michael Jackson to get him a big salary from AEG;
while providing Michael Jackson with homicidal medical care.

 
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CherubimII said:
But Conrad Murray cotinued to pressure Michael Jackson to get him a big salary from AEG;
while providing Michael Jackson with homicidal medical care.
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I'm not sure Murray "pressured" Michael per se.

In my opinion, they BOTH wanted "something" from the other and Michael obviously trusted The Murderer. He certainly trusted Murray more than he trusted Nurse Lee.
 
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