Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[elusive moonwalker]

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Aeg are trying to say mj had a long history with the drug/ drugs and it had nothing to do with them. the family are saying mj was fine and it was aeg. but the family have done the rounds saying the opposite which will hurt their claims

 

[jaydom7]

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Aeg are trying to say mj had a long history with the drug/ drugs and it had nothing to do with them. the family are saying mj was fine and it was aeg. but the family have done the rounds saying the opposite which will hurt their claims

exactly! the Jacksons are blaming AEG, whereas AEG is basically saying that they had nothing to do with MJ and his personal doctor. They weren't instructing Murray to give MJ propofol or anything else and that is the basis of Katherine's lawsuit. She is saying that AEG instructed Murray to give MJ drugs in order to make rehearsals. That is not the truth. Also AEG will turn things around on the family basically saying you did the rounds after MJ's death saying he was using drugs. If you all knew this why didn't you help him or tell us before these shows were announced. And considering how Randy was so upset with the deposition process, it sounds like AEG is blaming Katherine for MJ's issues. Randy said it during his infamous letter where he said point blank that Katherine was stressed because AEG was placing blame on MJ's death on Katherine.

 

[8701girl]

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Jermaine has also said he was not part of any interventions so who exactly was there? Janet has said in interviews she wasn't there so how was she leading the horse to water?

Wasnt she the one who started this whole interventions talk...? lol

 

[Bubs]

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Since you guys are talking about the so-called interventions, I will post this funny video here so you can see the inconsistency of Jermaine's statements over the past three years. It's pretty pathetic...

Jermaine is in need for diary. He needs to write down what he said in his interviews so he doesn't go to the other talkshow saying opposite :doh:

The only one I see in need for intervention are the Jacksons, they are as flimsy and flaky as they come

 

[jaydom7]

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Wasnt she the one who started this whole interventions talk...? lol

yep her and Rebbie... But Janet also said in one of her interviews that she wasn't present at 'one of them'.. so if she wasn't present and Katherine never participated at all, then who exactly was there and what year was this?

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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^I think they were talking about 2001/2 period - in the aeg depositions rebbie mentioned an intervention with janet at neverland in which latoya was stressing if she shd take her handbag. Latoya, who mj hadn't seen for over a decade, since she had tried to ruin his life and career by calling him a p*do, fa**ot on tv - excellent choice for a family attempting a sensitive and delicate drug intervention (i think latoya mentions it in her autobiog as her first visit to neverland). I haven't seen or heard any evidence of any family intervention since then - those family visits when mj got back to us after the trial were for concerts - we know that from len rowe and media reports, the vegas bodyguards can back that up.

The family drug intervention stories hit the media the weekend after 25 june. Alot of reports of a 'doc hollywood' asked by the family to attempt an intervention to save mj in the weeks before his death. I don't know who was the source of these stories but you could argue it was the famliy attempting to stave off criticism that they had just 'abandoned' mj. They claimed to be shut out by mj and his inner circle but there was loads of media reports of their desperate attempts to get involved in the tii tour - their motivations really were no different to aeg.

 

[jaydom7]

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^I think they were talking about 2001/2 period - in the aeg depositions rebbie mentioned an intervention with janet at neverland in which latoya was stressing if she shd take her handbag. Latoya, who mj hadn't seen for over a decade, since she had tried to ruin his life and career by calling him a p*do, fa**ot on tv - excellent choice for a family attempting a sensitive and delicate drug intervention (i think latoya mentions it in her autobiog as her first visit to neverland). I haven't seen or heard any evidence of any family intervention since then - those family visits when mj got back to us after the trial were for concerts - we know that from len rowe and media reports, the vegas bodyguards can back that up.

The family drug intervention stories hit the media the weekend after 25 june. Alot of reports of a 'doc hollywood' asked by the family to attempt an intervention to save mj in the weeks before his death. I don't know who was the source of these stories but you could argue it was the famliy attempting to stave off criticism that they had just 'abandoned' mj. They claimed to be shut out by mj and his inner circle but there was loads of media reports of their desperate attempts to get involved in the tii tour - their motivations really were no different to aeg.

yep! I think Tito mentioned 2001-2002 also. This was during the 2001 30th anniversary concerts and the Invincible release when MJ was obviously suffering from something. Rumor has it there were lupus flare-ups but who knows. Anyway that was 7 years before so when was the other one Janet was talking about? she mentioned 'several' but she doesn't remember dates. A drug intervention for Michael Jackson for a 'beloved' family member is a big deal.. why doesn't she remember dates?

 

[Big Apple2]

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A drug intervention for Michael Jackson for a 'beloved' family member is a big deal.. why doesn't she remember dates?

Come on jaydom, how in the heck do you expect her to remember dates (LOL), when her ONLY concern and main objective was finding a way to get Michael up on that stage with her and the brothers.

I still remember her saying that they are "still waiting for one person to get on board and all of the conference calls she had made, and how she would open for them." (Like nobody could figure out that the lone hold-out was Michael Jackson.)

I don't know about any interventions, but I bet there was a whole lot of BEGGING, PLEADING, AND CALLS TO MOTHER, i.e. "Mother please make Michael do it."

 

[Bubs]

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Maybe there was something going on 2000-2001 as I remember reading in Frank's (please don't get into argument whether he is valid witness, he was there at that time) book and he mentions that he called to Jackson's about Michael not being well around that time.
At the time of releasing Invincible, wasn't Michael a little bigger than normally? Maybe he was on some medicine that made him put some weight?

Then again none of them, Frank or family knew the full picture as it looked like Michael never told any of them about his pains caused Lupus etc. They would have mentioned it if he had told them, and Katherine, as his closest of the family didn't know how Michael got so light. Maybe that was the reason Katherine said in Oprah, when she asked Michael about drug use, Michael said to her "my own mother doesn't believe me". Michael could have been in genuine medication and they thought he was addict as they didn't have any details nor did they know what was going on with Michael.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Yeah mj had issue around m.s.g it was well mentioned at the time and there were reports afterwards he had been advised to cancell but wouldnt. there was talk of lupus flare ups etc and u can clearly see mj didnt look well and was out of it when he was on the carpet with liz.

the family were clueless about mjs medical issues which is strange for a "tight nit" family!

 

[jaydom7]

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Yeah mj had issue around m.s.g it was well mentioned at the time and there were reports afterwards he had been advised to cancell but wouldnt. there was talk of lupus flare ups etc and u can clearly see mj didnt look well and was out of it when he was on the carpet with liz.

the family were clueless about mjs medical issues which is strange for a "tight nit" family!

yep! and the thing is they weren't concerned enough to find out it seems. If my brother was thin as a rail, suffering from a skin disorder going to a wack dermatologist who I suspected might be doing unnecessary procedures, having plastic surgery that you deem questionable, has just gone through a horrible fraudulent child abuse trial and was rumored to be taking drugs and drinking alcohol, I would be highly concerned about his emotional state especially if he was about to embark on a 50 date tour. The family heard the same stuff we heard. They knew about the Neverland possible foreclosure. I am sure Katherine knew Hayvenhurst had a past due amount on it's loan, yet she did absolutely nothing to help her son. In 2000-01, something was definitely wrong with MJ. He didn't look right at all and he could barely move his mouth. Where was his mother? was she concerned? Katherine sat right next to MJ at the 30th anniversary special in 2001, did he look just fine to her?

 

[Big Apple2]

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Where was his mother? was she concerned? Katherine sat right next to MJ at the 30th anniversary special in 2001, did he look just fine to her?

Mother "obviously" hears what she wants to hear and sees what she wants to see, in my opinion.

Remember this is the same woman who said that "ALL of her son's are good fathers." I'm guessing that includes the deadbeats and the woman beater. I'm also sure that she knows how desperate Randy is for Michael's money, but she would never say that, not out loud anyway.

I wonder if she got PAID to sit right next to Michael at the 30th Anniversary Special. Now that I see how money hungry she is, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

 

[Bubs]

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Its only 4 month when this case is going on trial, time flies.
Wonder if Randy was kind enough to sit though his deposition, and if Janet is still in the country.
Next month we'll hear if judge slapped Katherine & Co with hefty fine.

 

[Big Apple2]

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Its only 4 month when this case is going on trial, time flies.
Wonder if Randy was kind enough to sit though his deposition, and if Janet is still in the country.

Man, I wouldn't be surprised if this case get's DELAYED, DELAYED, AND DELAYED.

If I recall correctly, not only are the completion of depositions by Randy and Janet in question, I believe they were still trying to schedule depositions for Marlon and Jackie. And then there's Joe Jackson (LOL), not sure if he made the deposition list, but since everybody else was included, I'm guessing his name is on the list also.

Oh yeah, and what about Jermaine, did he ever sit down for his deposition, anybody know? Then there is the issue about that old manuscript of his, still waiting for the Judge's decision on that one.

These folks just want the money, they ain't trying to sit down and answer no questions, and therein lies the problem, in my opinion.

 

[Bubs]

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These folks just want the money, they ain't trying to sit down and answer no questions, and therein lies the problem, in my opinion.

Money doesn't grow on trees, they need to work for it= give their depositions

I would have loved to be/still be fly on the wall when they were planning this AEG case and now how it turned out to them.

I have prepared myself for another wildfire of madness from Jackson camp. You never know what is going to pop out from there:cheeky:

 

[jaydom7]

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I sent Randy a tweet and asked him if he did his deposition yet and of course he didn't respond:ermm:

 

[jaydom7]

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I wouldn't be surprised if Janet is out of the country with her beau. She's definitely not trying to do a deposition. She knows she will be asked about her Oprah and Robin Roberts interviews and they will ask her that if she knew her brother was in trouble and couldn't do the shows why didn't she do or say something?

 

[Bubs]

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I sent Randy a tweet and asked him if he did his deposition yet and of course he didn't respond:ermm:

Did you check X17, he replies through his twitter or X17?
He gave his oscar speech for "winning" child support case via both medias.

I wonder how this Randy's child support case is going to work for AEG? They did ask Tito about his child support, so they will ask Randy too (or they read it on tabloids). Randy has to keep his hot temper under the wraps and leave his gun at home when he sits his deposition, just in case if they ask questions he doesn't like.
We'll hear about how his deposition went when he gets home, he'll tweet about it or contact on X17.

 

[jaydom7]

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I have a feeling that AEG will ask him about his 19 year arrangement with MJ for his kids and Alejandra. That will definitely be brought up. In addition to his 2007-08 run in the gate episode where he claims he was doing an intervention but now we know it was about money.

 

[Big Apple2]

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I have a feeling that AEG will ask him about his 19 year arrangement with MJ for his kids and Alejandra. That will definitely be brought up. In addition to his 2007-08 run in the gate episode where he claims he was doing an intervention but now we know it was about money.

Oh you just know they are going to ask him about the "arrangement."

They will also want to know why Michael was involved with such an arrangement. I can see Randy's face now, LOL, he ain't gonna like them asking him about child support and the LACK of such.

I remember his stupid letter to The Estate where he stated that they, meaning AEG, were asking embarrassing and personal questions. Mother better see that he takes a tranquilizer before he sits in the deposition hot seat, or his head might explode.

It would be real funny if they ask him "what he does for a living." You know aside from trying to snatch control of Michael's estate.

 

[jaydom7]

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I would like to know what Randy does for a living too.. He is not an active 'entertainer, singer, producer' or anything like that and hasn't been in eons. What exactly does he do? and how does he make money?

 

[Bubs]

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I was reading KJ vs AEG case again, just to refresh my memory, on page 2 they wrote:
http://probatelitigation.typepad.com/files/0916_jackson_wrongful_death_tmz_wm.pdf

5. But AEG, despite its knowledge of MJ's physical condition, breached those duties by putting its desire for massive profits from the tour over the health and safety of MJ.

AEG can use this against Jacksons, as they (Jacksons) too wanted Michael to tour with them and they were putting pressure on MJ and wanting massive profits, and according to their own interviews they (Jacksons) were well aware that MJ was hopeless drug addict in need for intervention, but not enough addict to go on tour with brothers:doh:
AEG can use argument that why Jacksons didn't tell about MJ's condition to AEG when they were aware of it.

6.AEG actions and inactions led to MJ's death....
AEG can argue that it is Jackson's inactions (for not telling them) that caused Michael's death.

7. At the time of his death, MJ was under the immediate care of a doctor, selected by,hired by and controlled by AEG, indeed AEG demanded and required that MJ be treated by thus particular doctor to ensure............
We know that this is not true, Mj selected, hired and controlled Murray, just like he selected, hired and controlled Kai Chase or any other staff.

We'll see what is going to come up in next few months.

 

[Victory22]

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^I think they were talking about 2001/2 period - in the aeg depositions rebbie mentioned an intervention with janet at neverland in which latoya was stressing if she shd take her handbag. Latoya, who mj hadn't seen for over a decade, since she had tried to ruin his life and career by calling him a p*do, fa**ot on tv - excellent choice for a family attempting a sensitive and delicate drug intervention (i think latoya mentions it in her autobiog as her first visit to neverland). I haven't seen or heard any evidence of any family intervention since then - those family visits when mj got back to us after the trial were for concerts - we know that from len rowe and media reports, the vegas bodyguards can back that up.

The family drug intervention stories hit the media the weekend after 25 june. Alot of reports of a 'doc hollywood' asked by the family to attempt an intervention to save mj in the weeks before his death. I don't know who was the source of these stories but you could argue it was the famliy attempting to stave off criticism that they had just 'abandoned' mj. They claimed to be shut out by mj and his inner circle but there was loads of media reports of their desperate attempts to get involved in the tii tour - their motivations really were no different to aeg.

Their attempts at sabotage, self-preservation of a nonexistent family relationship with Michael and flat out greed is astonishing to watch.

 

[jaydom7]

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I was reading KJ vs AEG case again, just to refresh my memory, on page 2 they wrote:
http://probatelitigation.typepad.com/files/0916_jackson_wrongful_death_tmz_wm.pdf

5. But AEG, despite its knowledge of MJ's physical condition, breached those duties by putting its desire for massive profits from the tour over the health and safety of MJ.

Bubs,


AEG can use this against Jacksons, as they (Jacksons) too wanted Michael to tour with them and they were putting pressure on MJ and wanting massive profits, and according to their own interviews they (Jacksons) were well aware that MJ was hopeless drug addict in need for intervention, but not enough addict to go on tour with brothers:doh:
AEG can use argument that why Jacksons didn't tell about MJ's condition to AEG when they were aware of it.

6.AEG actions and inactions led to MJ's death....
AEG can argue that it is Jackson's inactions (for not telling them) that caused Michael's death.

7. At the time of his death, MJ was under the immediate care of a doctor, selected by,hired by and controlled by AEG, indeed AEG demanded and required that MJ be treated by thus particular doctor to ensure............
We know that this is not true, Mj selected, hired and controlled Murray, just like he selected, hired and controlled Kai Chase or any other staff.

We'll see what is going to come up in next few months.

I agree... AEG could definitely turn all of that around onto the family. If they knew MJ was in bad shape, or had drug issues and needed help why didn't they step forward when TII was announced and say something like 'MJ needs help before he does these shows'??

 

[marebear]

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Because they wanted to part of the shows too. They probably were happy Michael announced the shows and all they could think of was their role in it. They could never let him enjoy his time or do his thing without them wanted a part of too. It's just selfish in my opinion.

 

[Big Apple2]

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Because they wanted to part of the shows too. They probably were happy Michael announced the shows and all they could think of was their role in it. They could never let him enjoy his time or do his thing without them wanted a part of too. It's just selfish in my opinion.

Not only did the brothers want to be a part of the show, so did their father, Joe Jackson.

The poor man was "probably" getting it from all sides, including Mother, who most likely would have BEGGED on behalf of her "cubs."

 

[marebear]

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Not only did the brothers want to be a part of the show, so did their father, Joe Jackson.

The poor man was "probably" getting it from all sides, including Mother, who most likely would have BEGGED on behalf of her "cubs."

Exactly. And when they couldn't be part of this is it tour then they decide to do their own concert and try to get Michael involved when he is committed to something else. So many people gave him grief and his family on top of the list. I don't know how Michael how he dealt with it all. I would have lost it if I am suppose to take care of everybody else and worry about me and my kids too. The sad thing is that they are all adults and capable of taking care of themselves.

 

[MIST]

Maybe there was something going on 2000-2001 as I remember reading in Frank's (please don't get into argument whether he is valid witness, he was there at that time) book and he mentions that he called to Jackson's about Michael not being well around that time.
At the time of releasing Invincible, wasn't Michael a little bigger than normally? Maybe he was on some medicine that made him put some weight?

Then again none of them, Frank or family knew the full picture as it looked like Michael never told any of them about his pains caused Lupus etc. They would have mentioned it if he had told them, and Katherine, as his closest of the family didn't know how Michael got so light. Maybe that was the reason Katherine said in Oprah, when she asked Michael about drug use, Michael said to her "my own mother doesn't believe me". Michael could have been in genuine medication and they thought he was addict as they didn't have any details nor did they know what was going on with Michael.

I think he took cortisone.
It´s common that people with pain in the body gets cortisone.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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I would like to know what Randy does for a living too.. He is not an active 'entertainer, singer, producer' or anything like that and hasn't been in eons. What exactly does he do? and how does he make money?

Writes long letters to branca in green ink, keeps x17online fed with stories, arranges luxury spa breaks for mother, sticking pins in his voodoo dolls of branca and phillips, lots of plotting and planning - i can imagine it's a busy life.

 

[jaydom7]

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Writes long letters to branca in green ink, keeps x17online fed with stories, arranges luxury spa breaks for mother, sticking pins in his voodoo dolls of branca and phillips, lots of plotting and planning - i can imagine it's a busy life.

:rofl: