Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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Does anybody care about Michael? He just always gets trashed and trashed through these things. Those emails just sicken me and then his family don't help with their behavior either. The whole thing is just upsetting.
 
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those emails make me cry.. It was obvious MJ was scared and nervous and he wasn't ready. Kenny knew it. He had worked with MJ before so he knew something was wrong. Mike needed help and unfortunately no one cared to get him the proper help. Murray was slowly killing MJ's central nervous system with those benzos and anesthetics. The side effects are paranoia, hallucinations and slowed down speech. Mike had all of the symptons which were from Murray's 'treatments'. I have no idea why Katherine is blaming AEG though. As his mother why didn't she go and check on her son? I still don't understand where she was and what she was doing? since Karen Faye is supposed to be a good friend of Randy Jackson, why didn't she call him to say MJ is in trouble? Everyone just stood around looking for a payday.. It's sad... RIP Michael!
 
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Does anybody care about Michael? He just always gets trashed and trashed through these things. Those emails just sicken me and then his family don't help with their behavior either. The whole thing is just upsetting.

Nope they don't care.. Mike is gone. He can't hurt anymore. If anything those emails make me feel sorry for Michael and makes me love him even more. It sounds like he was nervous and needed some emotional support but no one cared. I think it makes Michael a sympathetic figure to be honest because it showed no one cared about him or his health, it was all about the money. It shows that everyone saw MJ as a commodity including his own family. Why weren't they aware that he was sick and an emotional wreck?
 
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Does anybody care about Michael? He just always gets trashed and trashed through these things. Those emails just sicken me and then his family don't help with their behavior either. The whole thing is just upsetting.
I agree with you. I am wondering if the MJJ Estate is paying Katherines lawyer bills? I hope not! Can you imagine paying millions of your own money just to get trashed?!!!!
 
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Why did Katherine attend this hearing?
 
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"Perry Sanders, who is Katherine Jackson's personal attorney, told the judge that the Jacksons had no motive to leak the e-mails.
"Like we would go and blow up our own case against Lloyds of London?" Sanders said. "Our client and all the plaintiffs in this case are actually the ones who would receive the money."

Do the Jacksons have a case against Lloyds?

Bolded; hope not.
 
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How vile using blankets name like that. pathetic p.r stunt. Exploiting the kids goes on and on.

so no ruling yet? has the judge put it off?
 
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How dare they use poor Blanket :no: I'm sorry Michael...
 
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I still believe that it is very possible that the Jacksons had a hand in leaking those e-mails. There is just something that doesn't sound right to me about how Mann just happened to give a box of documents to a reporter that had records of the e-mails from AEG and he didn't know what was in the box. Personally, I don't believe that at all. Especially with what we heard about him offering the records to Lloyds lawyers, telling them to look out for the article about the AEG e-mails before it was published. Why would AEG leak that stuff themselves at least knowing how bad it makes them look if nothing else? Isn't this about the lawsuit between AEG and the Jacksons instead of a lawsuit between the Jacksons and Lloyds? There are still things about the claims of the Jacksons camp that do not make sense to me.
 
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"Perry Sanders, who is Katherine Jackson's personal attorney, told the judge that the Jacksons had no motive to leak the e-mails.
"Like we would go and blow up our own case against Lloyds of London?" Sanders said. "Our client and all the plaintiffs in this case are actually the ones who would receive the money."

Do the Jacksons have a case against Lloyds?

Bolded; hope not.

They don't case against Lloyds, estate has. He worded his sentence to look like they do but the only "case" they have is Katherine and kids are the beneficiaries of the 17 million if that case ends up Lloyds paying that money, I doubt it.

I hope AEG lawyers told them that Jackson's have motive (=more money) for leaking email.
Instead getting 17 million from LLoyds, they are aiming higher=more than 17 million from AEG.
 
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The Jackson's leaked the e-mail for sure it's just that they are very skilled liars and they have a lot of experience hiding their hands while stabbing MJ in the back. If they have to drag Blanket into their mess it's ok as long as Mother stay's clean and they can pressure AEG into paying out big bucks to the cubs in the end.
 
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Think it's time for us fans to start to circle the wagons ready for some major unpleasantness.
Anyone else wish that the Jacksons had been this vigilant in going after Murray instead of AEG? Oh, I forgot, Murray has no money.
 
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Think it's time for us fans to start to circle the wagons ready for some major unpleasantness.
Anyone else wish that the Jacksons had been this vigilant in going after Murray instead of AEG? Oh, I forgot, Murray has no money.

I wish they would've been this vigilant in protecting MJ and caring for him and making sure that folks weren't taking advantage of him. They all knew it but they didn't care.
 
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Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's mother sat quietly in court on Wednesday watching as her lawyers fought loudly with attorneys for AEG, the concert promoter she accuses of contributing to the pop star's death.

I wonder what she was thinking? Was she thinking of how many million AEG might pay, or was she thinking of Michael, her son that she is ready and willing to throw under the bus in order to get mo’ money?
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The Jackson suit contends that AEG contributed to the pop star's death by pressuring him to prepare even though the promoters knew he was in a weak condition and by its hiring and supervision of Dr. Murray.

Contributed! We, as Michael’s fans should file class action suit against Jacksons as they are bigger contributor to Michael death than AEG never can be. They used and abused Michael since his childhood, and it didn’t stop to his death, they still using and abusing him.

How they explain that Michael was healthy enough to do tour with family, but he was too sick to do 02?
I think it is clear by now that who hired Murray and a far as I know, nothing has come out that AEG knew Murray was pumping Michael full of propofol, so there goes their theory AEG supervising Murray.
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AEG asked Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos to punish the Jacksons by not allowing them to use those e-mails in next year's trial when they try to prove the promoter is liable for Michael Jackson's death.

Jackson lawyers denied anyone associated with their legal team or their clients leaked the e-mails, even suggesting AEG lawyers may have done it themselves as a set up.

Like somebody already said it, Mann, Katherine’s business partner already confessed, so why they even try to deny that it did not come from Jackson camp?
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While publication of the e-mails might have made AEG look bad, they were "extremely negative against Michael Jackson," painting him "as a basket case," Jackson lawyer Deborah Chang said.
"It's much more negative about Michael Jackson than it is about AEG, by far," Chang said.

Did Katherine even thought of this while she was there?
During the Murray trial while there was a drug talk, but when Murray’s recording of Michael came public, opinion of him was changing dramatically. Even at that stage he was thinking of less fortunate, but if there is more crap to come out, the opinion can change again.
I wonder why Katherine lawyer even brought this up. To me it only makes Jackson camp look bad that they are prepared to let this happen to Michael’s memory?
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The Jackson lawyers accused AEG of using the e-mail issue as a way to delay the wrongful-death trial.
"They've been very successful in tying us up completely and I am sure they are giggling about it back in the office," Boyle said.
AEG previously convinced the judge to delay the trial, which was set for last month, until next April.

Again Boyle is an idiot and I hope judge knows it too. The delay was on Jackson’s side. AEG was giving the requested emails and they had no problems to sit their depositions, but Jackson side was not prepared to do the same. AEG had to ask delay because Jackson’s didn’t do their part of the case. AEG has as much as anyone right to defend themselves, did Jackson camp thought they roll over and play dead?
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"This case is so strong that we very stringently argued this case should have gone to trial in September," Sanders said. "The only people that seem to be trying to keep this case from going forward are the defendants."

Yeah right! He is plowing hot air and trying to make AEG and public think they have a strong case. If they have so strong case, why silly letter from Randy and Co, in which he basically was crying help from estate? Why desperate granny-napping episode? Why all the delays of depositions? Why email-leak? All those actions screams they indeed have a weak case and they are trying to push AEG to settle.

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The anger and passion between the six Jackson lawyers and AEG's Putnam was evident with personal charges of bad ethics flying from both sides in court Wednesday.

The only bad ethics are coming from Jackson camp.
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"I've never seen anything like it in my career," Jackson lawyer Brian Panish said. "They think they can just smirk around and make these defamatory statements without evidence."

Isn’t there a saying something like “Attack is the best defense”?

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The documents made public in the Times story are not the most damaging to AEG that were uncovered, Boyle told CNN.
"We can assure you that we are in possession of documents that make for an extremely compelling story in the wrongful-death case, and that completely support the plaintiffs' claims," he said.

Who he is thinking he is fooling? AEG knows what they have as AEG gave documents and emails to them.
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It was unusual for the 82-year-old Katherine Jackson to attend such a hearing, suggesting the case is also very personal for her.

To me it suggest that they are desperate and wanted to bring Katherine there to show “grieving” mother’s face to the judge. The same way Katherine was used to talk Michael to perform with brothers.
And it is personal for her, her children’s (Michael’s siblings) whole future depends on this case.
 
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Does anyone know when judge is going to decide the ruling about emails and sanctions?
 
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Oh God, I hope the judge rules in favor of AEG. I am only partial because I can't stand this family. Who needs enemies with family like that?
 
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Think it's time for us fans to start to circle the wagons ready for some major unpleasantness.
Anyone else wish that the Jacksons had been this vigilant in going after Murray instead of AEG? Oh, I forgot, Murray has no money.

Katherine said after Murray's conviction that 4 years is not enough, but she couldn't be bothered asking restitution.

I would loved to hear Katherine's reply to this question, how much $ is enough?

What kind of mother is she?
 
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Katherine said after Murray's conviction that 4 years is not enough, but she couldn't be bothered asking restitution.

I would loved to hear Katherine's reply to this question, how much $ is enough?

What kind of mother is she?


I agree with this assessment.. she said on tv after the verdict that 4 years is not enough yet she doesn't go further in Murray's punishment by making him pay financially for the rest of his life. I did not understand that at all because she could've got restitution from him and still sued AEG so I don't understand her reasoning. She wasn't a good mother to MJ that's for sure. In my opinion MJ wasn't anything other than a commodity and an ATM machine to her. She took 'care' of him for 10 years or so and he took care of her and the rest of them for 40 years.
 
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I agree with this assessment.. she said on tv after the verdict that 4 years is not enough yet she doesn't go further in Murray's punishment by making him pay financially for the rest of his life. I did not understand that at all because she could've got restitution from him and still sued AEG so I don't understand her reasoning.

not quite. Actual damages is a certain amount of number.

For example imagine a person is earning $30,000 a year and expected to live and earn that for 20 more years. The loss of income due to death would be $600,000. That would have been the actual damages. If the person 1 (murray in our case) was ordered to pay that $600,000 that money cannot be asked from a second party (AEG in our case).

I think that they drop restitution because they want to get the loss income from TII tour (100 Million) and the funeral costs (2 M). IF Judge Pastor would have ordered Murray to pay it, they wouldn't be able to ask that loss from AEG.
 
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not quite. Actual damages is a certain amount of number.

For example imagine a person is earning $30,000 a year and expected to live and earn that for 20 more years. The loss of income due to death would be $600,000. That would have been the actual damages. If the person 1 (murray in our case) was ordered to pay that $600,000 that money cannot be asked from a second party (AEG in our case).

I think that they drop restitution because they want to get the loss income from TII tour (100 Million) and the funeral costs (2 M). IF Judge Pastor would have ordered Murray to pay it, they wouldn't be able to ask that loss from AEG.

I hate to keep saying this...but...it just seems as greed was the motive for this. I don't know maybe after 3 years i should see THEIR big picture..they feel as AEG is more to blame than Murray,,and that AEG should be footing the bill. Even though AEG CLEARLY could see Michael's health deteriorating...Murray is the one that was there that night...HE is the one that will go ahead and profit from Michael's death by writing that book and not having to worry about anyone getting his profits. Its just all so wrong...it seems the only winner in this whole thing is Murray..smdh
 
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AEG had nothing to lose if the concerts were cancelled , but Michael would lose a lot.
He was supposed to pay the costs of the production but I think the worst thing would have been his reputation as an artist.
I think it was Randy Phillips who talked about do or die, talking about Michael as an artist.
I think Michael really wanted to do these concerts.
It happens to us all sometimes that we get uncertain and think this is to much , I just can´t make it but you go on with it and suddenly almost all the pieces are on place.
Maybe Michael was struggling with his dance and song in This is it, but towards the end he knew he could do it.
 
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The MJJ estate isn't supporting this AEG lawsuit are they? Did Randy and Jermaine give their depositions today?

As much as I dislike Randy Phillips I don't want the Jacksons to get a penny! I can't believe Katherine is so willing to throw Michaels reputation down the toilet just so her cubs can remain lazy. Blood $$$$$.....................
 
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No the estate isnt supporting it. all kj cares about is making money for her deadbeats kids who she calls wonderful fathers while in the same breath attacks mjs parenting skills. this case has always been about providing money for her kids so they have enough to live off when shes gone. and as usual mj pays in more way than one.
 
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I think if Michael felt unsure or anxiety about the concerts that was normal. Look at what he had gone through at that point in his life. Murray made Michael sick. People like Kenny were thinking it was something else but they had no idea what Murray was doing to Michael.

I feel bad if Michael felt bad in any way about these shows. I remember that I wanted him to perform again but I only would want him to do it if that is what he really wanted to do you know? I don't like anybody involved in this case. I don't think anyone really cared about Michael at all. Those emails by AEG are just terrible and to think they were talking about Michael like that behind his back. Then his family don't make things any better. They don't care about Michael's legacy or reputation. They actually think that people will think they are the normal ones?
 
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AEG had nothing to lose if the concerts were cancelled , but Michael would lose a lot.
He was supposed to pay the costs of the production but I think the worst thing would have been his reputation as an artist.
I think it was Randy Phillips who talked about do or die, talking about Michael as an artist.
I think Michael really wanted to do these concerts.
It happens to us all sometimes that we get uncertain and think this is to much , I just can´t make it but you go on with it and suddenly almost all the pieces are on place.
Maybe Michael was struggling with his dance and song in This is it, but towards the end he knew he could do it.

AEG were funding the shows, not Michael.
 
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AEG were funding the shows, not Michael.

and Michael was supposed to pay them back all of the costs regardless of if the concerts happened or not. (That's why Estate paid AEG $35 million). In other words AEG was just advancing the funds but Michael was gonna pay for it.
 
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and Michael was supposed to pay them back all of the costs regardless of if the concerts happened or not. (That's why Estate paid AEG $35 million). In other words AEG was just advancing the funds but Michael was gonna pay for it.

Do you have a source for this? Seems odd that he would agree to do the shows in order to clear his debts when he would have to give up such a huge amount. Normally the promoter pays the production costs.
 
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Do you have a source for this? Seems odd that he would agree to do the shows in order to clear his debts when he would have to give up such a huge amount. Normally the promoter pays the production costs.
Michael was edging his bet. In the end he wanted sole ownership of the show. He wanted to own and control all rights to the production. All profits from pay per view, dvd sales, and even concessions would be his alone. When the dancers and musicians were hired for the show they were asked if they could obligate two years for the production. Once the O2 residency was completed there was hope for a world tour. Michael would have profited tremendously with a world tour.
 
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Do you have a source for this? Seems odd that he would agree to do the shows in order to clear his debts when he would have to give up such a huge amount. Normally the promoter pays the production costs.


yeah AEG - MJ contract which has been public at several court filings as well as several books.

Actually they expected the concerts average $2 million and Michael to be able to pay back the costs as well as advances (he was given millions in advances as well) in 18 shows. That's why the contract called for a minimum of 18 shows. After 18 shows Michael would have made profit. Plus there was a cancellation insurance (Lloyds) that would have paid up to $17 million if the shows were cancelled due to several reasons. He was also protected by that insurance.

So if everything went to according to plan and Michael did 50 shows he was looking up to

- 50 shows * 2 Million = 100 Million - 35 million costs = $65 Million just in ticket revenues to divide up with AEG
- money from merchandise sales
- money from broadcast and / or DVD sales

During Murray trial they estimated Michael would have earned $100 Million from 50 O2 shows (tickets +merchandise + Broadcast etc)

If the world tour rumors were true (such as Jermaine said in his book for 5 years) he would have profited significantly. Randy Phillips had been quoted saying it could bring $500 Million for Michael - before his death. I believe this was true. After the 18th show it would be all profits rolling in.


And there's nothing that says a promoter pays the production costs. Actually promoter promotes the show. Production cost is totally different. For example Cirque costs is a 50 -50 divide between Estate and Cirque. We don't know much about Michael's older tours. Given that he had companies named after each tour he might have been his own production company and covered the costs with the help of Pepsi sponsorship. Doing his production while maintaining ownership control could have been his style of handling tours.
 
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