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Re: New--- Lisa Marie Presley on Michael Jackson

marebear said:
Before June 25 she was embarassed to have been married to Michael. After June 25 she wasn't. Since his death she hasn't said a mean, disgusting things like she had said before. That's true. Even a nice comment rubs people the wrong way as weird as that sounds. If Oprah today started saying nice things now it would rub people the wrong way because of her behavior towards Michael before he died.

The problem is not that the fans don't see that Michael was a real person with feelings. The public and the media never saw him as a real person. Just look at the ridiculous things they ask Lisa then and now. People treated Michael like he was a weirdo, freak or some alien. When he made a mistake he was crucified for it relentlessly. If someone else made a mistake eventually people would forget and move on. Michael can't have sex, Michael can't have kids, Michael can't have a drink etc. Last time I saw he was a real human being.

This doesn't have to be about Lisa at all. It could be anybody here. The day Michael died Al Sharpton said where was the love for him yesterday? I actually envy Elvis and John Lennon for example. Their lives were not watched and ripped apart by the public and the media. Not the way they did to Michael. Even Madonna called it a witch hunt. After their death they were treated with respect and dignity. I want that for Michael. Since his death there has been so much hypocricy by so many people.

I think everyone has different tolerant levels of what they want to hear or who they want to hear from. Some people may not give a crap what Lisa says good or bad because she means nothing to them. For others she can rub them the wrong way and prefer not to hear anything from her even it is a good thing. The tolerant levels can change but it might take others a little longer to get where you are at.
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You hit the nail on the head... it is the total hyprocrisy! Being nice now is much too late so it's best not to say anything at all. I remember watching Barbara Walters on the View when LaToya was on there talking about Murray and then she said ' we love Michael' I could've punched the tv screen. That old hag participated in that 2003 lynching of MJ over Bashir's rotten behind and she had the audacity to say 'we love Michael'.. Those kinds of things make me sick to my stomach. And Lisa is the same way. Like you said she was embarrassed and ashamed of MJ before 2009 ( he was the worst mistake in her life) and now suddenly I was in love with him, he was lovable and no way was he gay and let me take sunflowers to his tomb and ask his fans to show him love or let me stand by his casket and pretend like I am sad.. It's just sickening because Mike was struggling and needed help and she kicked him when he was down. Don't play compassionate and loving now. It won't work and it means nothing to him.
 
Re: New--- Lisa Marie Presley on Michael Jackson

Nah, because she isn't talking about him as much as you guys say she is, is why is she is left off the hook by most folks like myself. If she abused MJ like you guys say, what's with the dated selective quotes then? If she was truly abusing him, she would've went after him to those highly seen programs that love to talk shit about MJ. But instead there is mostly nothing past 2005.

The thing with you haters is, you can talk smack about her among yourselves, but when confronted by fans like me that read and see everything that Lisa does, you cannot back up your hate to save your lives. My question is, why do all this barking then? You can't bring up her attacking him on any recent interviews with ET, Extra, Access Hollywood, Jimmy Kimmel, Leno, The View, etc. so what's the point of expressing all this outrage?
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:smilerolleyes: U still don't get it. No one cares if she hasn't talked negative about him recently. We are talking about all the crap she has said in the past as to why her "re-discovered love" for MJ now is full of it. She playing the game really good. I mean do u really expect for her to down right dogged him now that he is dead? lol Of course not people don't like when others go after the dead. Hence, her attitude change of MJ now. But, think back a few months before he passed and she was the same Lisa with her bashing of MJ. So basically we ain't buying her change is what we are saying. And on top of that I ain't buying others as well not just hers. There are many who play nice now that he is gone but, look back on their comments when he was alive and you'll really see how they really felt.

And Lisa never said she was sorry either! Unless you consider her I was "Barkie" line on Oprah when she explain her anger about him in past interviews some sort of apology? lol
 
Re: New--- Lisa Marie Presley on Michael Jackson

bluetopez said:
:smilerolleyes: U still don't get it. No one cares if she hasn't talked negative about him recently. We are talking about all the crap she has said in the past as to why her "re-discovered love" for MJ now is full of it. She playing the game really good. I mean do u really expect for her to down right dogged him now that he is dead? lol Of course not people don't like when others go after the dead. Hence, her attitude change of MJ now. But, think back a few months before he passed and she was the same Lisa with her bashing of MJ. So basically we ain't buying her change is what we are saying. And on top of that I ain't buying others as well not just hers. There are many who play nice now that he is gone but, look back on their comments when he was alive and you'll really see how they really felt.

And Lisa never said she was sorry either! Unless you consider her I was "Barkie" line on Oprah when she explain her anger about him in past interviews some sort of apology? lol
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Exactly! The only reason Lisa has encountered this new 'enlightenment' is because he's gone.. If MJ were still alive she would still be bashing him
 
Re: New--- Lisa Marie Presley on Michael Jackson

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Why using the word "haters"?? We all here because we love and respect Michael and it bothers us when he is being disrespected in front of our eyes, no one here call you "fake fan" for not showing us the same thing!!!

It's normal not liking Lisa Maria in Michael Jackson's boards, liking and defending here is so weird, at least for me...if you don't like that please go to Lisa presley's board where they hate Debbie, questioning Michael's paternity to his kids and attacking Paris 24/7 because she said she loves her mother, that would be the best environment I guess, you'd like it.
 
When i said not "normal" i didnt meant it in a bad way like weird psycho or sick, like the media did . But more like different,"strange", not like average persons nature. And thats nothing wrong. Alot people are "special" (positive) in their way. So i was not judging him for who he was. And after spending half of my life with his music and everything about him, i can make me a picture of how his nature was. He wasnt the only one like that, so by saying i see similarities in people i know, helps me to undestand him. Its not "you dont know me, dont judge me" kind of way. .I dont see him as a saint angel like most here seams to do, and you dont agree with me cause you dont like what i say. But i dont judge him or bash him as you think i do, just because i dont say he was "the greatest nices person ever lived". He had his edges, like many of us do and there is no need to defend everything he had done and judge as you do others (in this case Lisa), just because you think they are doing him wrong.

Why she didnt stop talk about him? Thats her way to deal with it. And she has the right to say things about him. she was married and lived with him. Where others who spend 5min or a day and never knew him personal talk negative, dont have. And Debbie was not allowed to say anything negative, so dont think she wouldn if she could.

you dont like what she says, want appology and what not by reading some things here. You fell she wasnt defensive enough with "i nevers saw anything wrong", when the media was trying to made her say shit about him. Well after, we are all smarter and say "you could have say more then this".

Some here take it to personal, like its about them that Lisa is "bashing".
I dont think you'll understand im trying to say.
But whts was happening after , is no different how any other do deal after breaking up and felt hurt. Its not about having class or something like that. Its human nature. And just because its celebrities in that case, you see the "negativity" more extream as if it was about average persons like you and me. Just because its about Michael, you take it like someone is attacking you or your brother.
Just because its about Michael, doesnt mean people, who where close to him, are not allowed to talk about him, even if its negative.

I mentioned the surguries as comparisation to how uncomfterble Lisa fells when asked constanly about Michael. Why was that not easy to understand.
As i said she make him look normal, i meant, he was someone who could be fallen in love with and not the alien most saw him. She saw and tried to make him look normal to the media, but didnt succed.


I think some fans have keywords saved in their mind and soon when one of these is used, the alarm is ringing and see everything negative in what they are reading.
 
Re: New--- Lisa Marie Presley on Michael Jackson

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I don't know how you can make someone normal by calling him "idiot ' and considering him the biggest mistake of your life, and how you'll fail to show the human side in him if you said "I wish him all the best". I don't think it made Michael a normal person when Lisa said "I could never feel sorry for Michael Jackson" and who told you that Lisa's biggest mission in life is to show the humanity in Michael....Do you understand what you're saying??? How is it acceptable to hurt someone's feelings by calling him "biggest mistake" and other hurtful things in public to prove he's normal and human??

Debbie wouldn't talk badly about Michael because he IS the father of HER kids, Lisa would because he WAS her EX husband, and again who allowed Debbie to defend Michael? You know Paris was so proud on formspring when someone showed her a video of her mother defending her father....Just saying.
 
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Re: New--- Lisa Marie Presley on Michael Jackson

thank you very much
 
Re: New--- Lisa Marie Presley on Michael Jackson

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And Debbie was not allowed to say anything negative, so dont think she wouldn if she could.
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Debbie has never been told what to say , she has chosen to leave it private which is something lisa marie should do
 
I figured this would be this thread destination sooner or later, if not closed altogether. So not surprised, welcome home LMP discussions. :rollin:....and all is silent now?! :ciao:
 
Debbie has never had a problem with openly defending MJ. She has stated in more than one interview that Michael would never hurt a child. Why can't Lisa say this since she wants to talk about him so much? If she can't then she needs to simply STFU about him period.
 
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bluetopez said:
and all is silent now?! :ciao:
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bluetopez said:
I figured this would be this thread destination sooner or later, if not closed altogether. So not surprised, welcome home LMP discussions. :rollin:....and all is silent now?! :ciao:
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Dont worry im sure lisa marie will say something that will anger mj fans soon she always does lol
 
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Why she didnt stop talk about him? Thats her way to deal with it. And she has the right to say things about him. she was married and lived with him. Where others who spend 5min or a day and never knew him personal talk negative, dont have. And Debbie was not allowed to say anything negative, so dont think she wouldn if she could.
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Being a bully was/is her way to deal with it???? No, that's not OK. No, she has absolutely no right to say anything about him. She makes too much of her brief marriage to MJ, and as to them living together.....Diane Sawyer said in her interview with LMP that she didn't believe they lived together. LMP then said, well, when he was in town, he was at my house. He was rarely at her house (take note that she never said our house, just her house). He was at Neverland, Disneyland in Paris, the Hideout and other places and when he did go to her house, Danny would be there and MJ didn't understand that. So, Lisa clarified it for him and told him that Danny was there because "he was here before you." She told him to grow up or get out, so he got out, and she bit**ed and griped. She said that in order to have children, we have to have sex and I'm not doing it. So, he dumped her and she has yet to recover.

MJs & Debbie knew each other for over twenty years before marrying and having children (it's better the second time around). Debbie can say anything she wants to about MJ but she doesn't. The Missing Tapes (Debbie talking about MJ) were used in the 2005 trial. Debbie & MJ were married about twice as long as MJ & LMP and she is they have children together. She was no surrogate and only accepted alimony (as do many women) when they divorced. Debbie is a real woman whereas Lisa never will be.
 
Re: New--- Lisa Marie Presley on Michael Jackson

bluetopez said:
:smilerolleyes:And Lisa never said she was sorry either! Unless you consider her I was "Barkie" line on Oprah when she explain her anger about him in past interviews some sort of apology? lol
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Yeap that was the closest she ever came to saying she lied or was sorry--that statement about she was angry. However, she spoiled it by adding that he was high during the Bashit taping--something Oprah did not ask her about, and then always making that questionable statement about the allegations. Even today I was with a client who began talking about the Prince performance on some tv program this week, and she said "at least Prince likes women, but Michael likes boys." So statements like the one Lisa makes hurts his case rather than being part of the solution.
 
Anything Lisa has to say reminds me of this...


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...And that's as positive as I can be to a totally detached, voidless human!
 
Okay, all is NOT silent for sure. Got it. lol


She said that in order to have children, we have to have sex and I'm not doing it. So, he dumped her and she has yet to recover.
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The hell? I'm not understanding this part of what u say? When did Lisa say that? Cause on Howard Stern she made it clear she was having sex with MJ before marriage and she wouldn't marry someone if they were satisfying her sexual. Way to much info from Lisa there by the way. But, home girl can't keep her face shut. So, anyway did u mean like she stopped having sex with him so she wouldn't get preggers? I mean there is something called birth control, so I don't believe it.


Yeap that was the closest she ever came to saying she lied or was sorry--that statement about she was angry. However, she spoiled it by adding that he was high during the Bashit taping--something Oprah did not ask her about, and then always making that questionable statement about the allegations.
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Exactly, that's why when people said she changed her old ways I laugh. Because the old Lisa was still there VERY present in That O interview talking shit as usual!

Even today I was with a client who began talking about the Prince performance on some tv program this week, and she said "at least Prince likes women, but Michael likes boys." So statements like the one Lisa makes hurts his case rather than being part of the solution.
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Oh hell no! :mat:
 
She said that in order to have children, we have to have sex and I'm not doing it. So, he dumped her and she has yet to recover.
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i dont ever remember her saying those excat words and i think you are twisting it and also this

and she said "at least Prince likes women, but Michael likes boys."
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Are u saying some woman said or this or lisa herself?
 
I remember Lisa Marie calling Michael’s beautiful son PRINCE “retaliation”. Attacking MJ because you feel he hurt you and you have the right to react in such an over the top, evil manner is one thing but what did Prince Michael do to warrant such hate and disrespect?
 
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She said that in order to have children, we have to have sex and I'm not doing it. So, he dumped her and she has yet to recover.



The hell? I'm not understanding this part of what u say? When did Lisa say that? Cause on Howard Stern she made it clear she was having sex with MJ before marriage and she wouldn't marry someone if they were satisfying her sexual. Way to much info from Lisa there by the way. But, home girl can't keep her face shut. So, anyway did u mean like she stopped having sex with him so she wouldn't get preggers? I mean there is something called birth control, so I don't believe it.

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Yes, there is something called birth control and she was on the pill. It was during one of their many arguments that she threatened to "not have sex with/I'm not doing it". Remember that MJ thought they were trying to have a baby. He did not know that in order for her to get him to marry her, she had promised him that "as soon as" they married, they would start trying to have a baby. That means--no need for birth control until after their first baby. She lied and never intended to keep her promise, so she used the old threat to "withhold sex from her husband" as punishment. It didn't work and he left. She got her sex in Hawaii from Danny. (too bad Danny will have sex with her but refused to remarry her :) I believe MJ found her pills and that's when he left.....really left. She knew from the beginning that she certainly wanted to be Mrs. Michael Jackson and stand in the spotlight, but she didn't want his children, so she simply lied and deceived him. MJ called her bluff and she lost big time. Isn't it funny that neither Danny nor MJ ever wanted to remarry her? However, she obviously didn't mind being a booty call. (she has changed her story so many times and I will try to remember where I read about her threatening to deny him sex and if I can find it, I will post it)
 
Joyce said:
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She said that in order to have children, we have to have sex and I'm not doing it. So, he dumped her and she has yet to recover.



The hell? I'm not understanding this part of what u say? When did Lisa say that? Cause on Howard Stern she made it clear she was having sex with MJ before marriage and she wouldn't marry someone if they were satisfying her sexual. Way to much info from Lisa there by the way. But, home girl can't keep her face shut. So, anyway did u mean like she stopped having sex with him so she wouldn't get preggers? I mean there is something called birth control, so I don't believe it.

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Yes, there is something called birth control and she was on the pill. It was during one of their many arguments that she threatened to "not have sex with/I'm not doing it". Remember that MJ thought they were trying to have a baby. He did not know that in order for her to get him to marry her, she had promised him that "as soon as" they married, they would start trying to have a baby. That means--no need for birth control until after their first baby. She lied and never intended to keep her promise, so she used the old threat to "withhold sex from her husband" as punishment. It didn't work and he left. She got her sex in Hawaii from Danny. (too bad Danny will have sex with her but refused to remarry her :) I believe MJ found her pills and that's when he left.....really left. She knew from the beginning that she certainly wanted to be Mrs. Michael Jackson and stand in the spotlight, but she didn't want his children, so she simply lied and deceived him. MJ called her bluff and she lost big time. Isn't it funny that neither Danny nor MJ ever wanted to remarry her? However, she obviously didn't mind being a booty call. (she has changed her story so many times and I will try to remember where I read about her threatening to deny him sex and if I can find it, I will post it)
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The statement about not having sex was on Taraborrelli's book. But who knows if that's true.

The point with Lisa is that she still says that she' doesn't know if Michael did those things, her argument of "i wasn't in the room" or "only Michael & the child knows" is non-sense. either she believes him or not.

But in the end she's the one who ends up looking the worst because only a depraved mother or a mother who doesn't have one working brain cell would try to go back to a man who she's not sure if he's a child molester or not. She should think before talking.
 
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It didn't work and he left. She got her sex in Hawaii from Danny. (too bad Danny will have sex with her but refused to remarry her
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:eek: WOAH! that i so didnt know bout it
I thought after her & mj divorced she was sorta by herself but then ened up being with mj while he was on tour (something she didnt want ppl to know)

Wow i learn new crazy things bout that woman lol
 
Excuse me but those actions of her make her look like a WHO, I don't get how MJ accepted her again after they where divorced! :blink:
Besides being a liar, she wasn't a lady whatsoever!
 
I never read the updated versions of Taraborrelli's book that feature gossip on MJ and Lisa Marriage. I only read the original book version and I didn't like it nor him for that matter. Especially after Taraborrelli complimented Diane Dimond during the 05 trial on TV. So anything coming from his ass I don't take it seriously. He likes to exaggerate his association with MJ anyways. Like he was this old dear friend of his. When in truth he only interviewed MJ a few time from the late 70's to the early 80's. lol The rest of his sources came from gettin gossip (whether true or false) from MJs people, Tabs and whoever else with a big mouth. Everything else he says MJ claimed he told him I never seen proof of, it was just him saying so. That isn't enough for me. At least I can find the old interviews he had with MJ from back in the day but, what about the rest of the stuff he claimed MJ told him? Nothing!

Anyways back to LMP if she was not tryin to get preggers by with holdin sex or not during the end of the marriage? Then she clearly changed her mind after the divorce when she was following MJ all around the freakin world. lol
 
Lisa is obviously a liar.. she recently told the UK magazine that 'yes' she wanted kids with MJ 'in the beginning' but there were others that got in the way and they both allowed that to happen:bugeyed During her 2003 rants she told Playboy mag that 'she got out of that one' meaning she didn't want to have kids with him and she did things to make sure it didn't happen. We all know according to MJ after the divorce she was following him around the world and sending notes to his mother offering 9 kids. So which story is it? why is she such a liar?
 
She wasn't brave or proud to say that in 2004, why you would blame her? It's understandable...look at what happened to Debbie after her appearance on take-two, she was mocked by comedians on their famous TV shows because of what she said about Michael, because she told the truth.

Now after his death, Lisa's so proud to say she wanted to have kids with the legend and the King of Pop!!! SURE ...And I don't know what did she mean by "other that got in the way" ?? It was the custody battle she was afraid of, now it's a new different story?? She needs to have a seat!!!
 
MJTheKing said:
She wasn't brave or proud to say that in 2004, why you would blame her? It's understandable...look at what happened to Debbie after her appearance on take-two, she was mocked by comedians on their famous TV shows because of what she said about Michael, because she told the truth.

Now after his death, Lisa's so proud to say she wanted to have kids with the legend and the King of Pop!!! SURE ...And I don't know what did she mean by "other that got in the way" ?? It was the custody battle she was afraid of, now it's a new different story?? She needs to have a seat!!!
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yep! another lie she was caught in.. Before she didn't want kids with him because all she could see was a 'custody battle'. Now it's yes she wanted kids but 'others' came between them. Like I said she is a liar and she goes whichever way the wind blows.
 
I guess she was afraid of Scientology.
Lisa couldn't get pregnant till Mike joined up. And he didnt.
Scientologists could only have kids with other members.
 
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