[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, it doesn't look good if Jermaine goes on tabloids saying that this is first time he hears that TAJ has been molested, espeacially if it was talked already during 2005 case.
He makes people to think that TAJ made it up.

When Terrel says it was talked about in 05 case he means the letter. They found the letter & no one knew who it was about, but the media felt it was about Michael and made some usual statements.

Jermaine, is saying he did not know Taj was abused, which is normal. As I said before, a lot of family members do not know that a member is abused. The families like to keep this quiet & usually only a selected few know. Also, look at all the positive comments Taj got, so people believe him, it is not as though he is the usual Jackson always out there to sell Michael out.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

As far as I understood so far they claim the breakdown happened in March 2012. We have that video that was uploaded on YT in July 2012, but a fan checked out the Twitter account of the journalist and it was recorded in the middle of March. So he can still say the breakdown happened in the second half of March.

Yes, it would be cool if we found something from after March, 2012, but I don't think it's bad if we don't. It's such a lame story that he only understood in March, 2012... Who believes that?
No one with brains will believe that. That is like people who claim they have mental problem but yet they plan and kill. YOu maybe crazy but you aint that crazy.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The last time Wade can be see praising Michael Jackson is actually yesterday, on the Today Show.

Right before he called MJ a "pedophile" he smoothly ranted on about what an "incredible talent" he was. What victim would say such nice things like that about their abuser? It sounded more like he was speaking as an "outsider" rather than a victim.

His exact quote: "Michael Jackson was yes, an incredibly talented artist with an incredible gift. He was many things."

If I were sexually abused by someone, I would not praise whatever "talents" or "success they have regardless of who they are. I'd be too disgusted to say anything good about them.

Wonder how many people caught onto that.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

When Terrel says it was talked about in 05 case he means the letter. They found the letter & no one knew who it was about, but the media felt it was about Michael and made some usual statements.

Jermaine, is saying he did not know Taj was abused, which is normal. As I said before, a lot of family members do not know that a member is abused. The families like to keep this quiet & usually only a selected few know. Also, look at all the positive comments Taj got, so people believe him, it is not as though he is the usual Jackson always out there to sell Michael out.

I agree with you. But i still think jermaine (and the jacksons) should be careful about how they say things. When its about Michael people will try to nitpick and make up the silliest of things just to start something.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, it doesn't look good if Jermaine goes on tabloids saying that this is first time he hears that TAJ has been molested, espeacially if it was talked already during 2005 case.
He makes people to think that TAJ made it up.

It wasn't spoken about during the trial.

I don't know if someone else mentioned it somewhere, but it's never been said in court. The note came from the Vaccaro vault and was submitted by Vaccaro to Dimond and then Sneddon as possible evidence, and the media relished over what it could possibly mean, but it was never used or addressed.

About the 18 months, that is something I was asking last night. In his interview, which I looked at while this guy was doing the body language, so 2 people were talking at the same time, Wade mentions something about coming to awareness about 2 years ago when his son was born, then I heard him mention something about when his son was 18 months--there is some inconsistency there. His lawyer said March 2012. I will have to listen to a video without the body expert talking to catch the 2 things & see what it is all about.

It would be great if he said 2 years ago.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The last time Wade can be see praising Michael Jackson is actually yesterday, on the Today Show.

Right before he called MJ a "pedophile" he smoothly ranted on about what an "incredible talent" he was. What victim would say such nice things like that about their abuser? It sounded more like he was speaking as an "outsider" rather than a victim.

His exact quote: "Michael Jackson was yes, an incredibly talented artist with an incredible gift. He was many things."

If I were sexually abused by someone, I would not praise whatever "talents" or "success they have regardless of who they are. I'd be too disgusted to say anything good about them.

Wonder how many people caught onto that.

Good one. The body expert caught that one. That interview in itself is a great piece to discredit Wade's claim. He sits there calmly as though he knows he is Number 1 & has the estate in his power. When he comes down from his super ego trip, he will have a sad awakening. Most likely he will then have a nervous collapse, which he will blame on Michael. If Wade did indeed have 2 collapses last year, then we have to admit he has some nervous, mental, or psychological problem, so most likely he will have another one soon.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

yes the note was never mentioned interms of taj it was just one of those things found in the locker lije the underwear that dimond sniffed

Only scanning through but i hope im right in thinking his interview backfired and the media seem to be either calling him out or plain ignoring the story?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Jermaine, is saying he did not know Taj was abused, which is normal. As I said before, a lot of family members do not know that a member is abused. The families like to keep this quiet & usually only a selected few know.

It seems like Michael was one of the few family members Taj felt comfortable to share this story with. I think that puts Michael in a positive light.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

guys, have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJNOiZjmtY
he's not talking about Michael (as in praising him) but he's mentioning him, and smiling and laughing when the girls say "wow, that's amazing" around 04.21....
would you do that after a breakdown where dark memories came flooding back? It says the video was uploaded december 16. 2012 (or have i mis-read something? )
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Only scanning through but i hope im right in thinking his interview backfired and the media seem to be either calling him out or plain ignoring the story?

Yes, basically that's what happening. Some of the lowest rags (The Sun, Inside Edition) are trying to boost his story by giving a platform to the usual suspects who are coming out of their woodwork (Blanca Francia, Adrrian McManus), but yeah, overall people are secptical. Even Harvey Levin called him out saying it IS about money when you file a creditor's claim. And he also said Wade did not do himself a favor with this interview.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

guys, have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJNOiZjmtY
he's not talking about Michael (as in praising him) but he's mentioning him, and smiling and laughing when the girls say "wow, that's amazing" around 04.21....
would you do that after a breakdown where dark memories came flooding back? It says the video was uploaded december 16. 2012 (or have i mis-read something? )

I think that video was found to be from July 2012.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree with you. But i still think jermaine (and the jacksons) should be careful about how they say things. When its about Michael people will try to nitpick and make up the silliest of things just to start something.

SO true.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks respect
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

guys, have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJNOiZjmtY
he's not talking about Michael (as in praising him) but he's mentioning him, and smiling and laughing when the girls say "wow, that's amazing" around 04.21....
would you do that after a breakdown where dark memories came flooding back? It says the video was uploaded december 16. 2012 (or have i mis-read something? )

Oh that is good especially if it is after the collapse. The thing is when was it made? Sometimes things are made much earlier & then uploaded later.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It seems like Michael was one of the few family members Taj felt comfortable to share this story with. I think that puts Michael in a positive light.

It did. ON ABC WORLD NEWS, the two host pretty much said the same thing.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

guys, have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJNOiZjmtY
he's not talking about Michael (as in praising him) but he's mentioning him, and smiling and laughing when the girls say "wow, that's amazing" around 04.21....
would you do that after a breakdown where dark memories came flooding back? It says the video was uploaded december 16. 2012 (or have i mis-read something? )
The point of the matter is that he is talking about the person he is accusing and smiling and being all happy.That is just as good as praising that person.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think that video was found to be from July 2012.

Oh great. We will end up with a list that shows him praising Michael or being comfortable michaeling during his most trying moment. Wade tackled with the wrong group of people!!! You guys are great!!!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's great to see this scumbag's interview backfiring on him in the major media outlets. Never thought I'd see Harvey Levin actually call something out like that. He says Wade's interview left a big hole in his story, because first he "repressed his memories, and only remembered them after visiting a psychiatrist", then he says, he never forgot the things Michael did to him. Yet, he never mentioned any of this during the 05 trial.

What an idiot.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh that is good especially if it is after the collapse. The thing is when was it made? Sometimes things are made much earlier & then uploaded later.

the interview was done when they were in Toronto (as pr. the video description...)
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Let him talk, the more he talks the more he is digging his own hole to fall in.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what about his wife? Has anyone researched if she has a twitter, FB or something else, that may reveal something?
According to wikipedia (i know, i know... not credible, lol):
In August 2005, Robson married fashion designer Amanda Rodriguez in her native Maui, Hawaii. Since then, the couple have united their creative talents and collaborated on numerous stage, television, and film projects. In November 2010, the couple welcomed their first child, son Koa. They live in Los Angeles.

They move out from LA , medias said this week. I think she's hiding now, cause no money! They thought they will have some quick money from the Estate, and now, nothing, so hey, they gonna need to work. So bad....lol
 
I don't think Wade did the interview for media or public support. I'm thinking it's a way to force Estate into settlement. Pay attention to his statement in which he said this is not about money, I'm not going to go away. Some can argue that it actually means "until you pay me , I'll keep talking about it on the media".


Sunwalker7;3824998 said:
Is there anything the Estate can do about this? Like, can they for example countersue Robson because he’s making false claims that damage Michael’s reputation and therefore damage the Estate’s income? I have no clue how this works according to California law, I’m just furious if Robson can say these things about Michael and not face any consequences for it.

the only way Estate can sue is through showing actual damages and actual malice. In other words they would only have a case if they actually lost income due to Wade's accusations and they can prove that Wade is knowingly lying.

I think Tmez said that even if Wade is lying now he can always say that it was a suggestion by his therapist and he believed it to be true. there goes the knowingly part. Similarly I don't think Michael's income is being affected - especially given that not many people seems to believe wade's accusations.

respect77;3825021 said:
Yes, and Katherine & Michael's children should sue him for emotional distress!

You can only sue for emotional distress if you are actually distressed. In other words to sue for emotional distress you need to show that if affected you like you can't sleep, eat, function, get panic attacks and so on. It's not enough to say "I'm emotionally distressed", it needs to be proved.

bouee;3825027 said:
I know he's not a defense lawyer, but according to him, not much : if the case is thrown out, the estate wouldn't want to "re open the file" by suing robson + robson would have an easy defense saying he was convinced by his therapist, he thought his accusations were true. All they can do is fight the claim . Since Robson filed a lawsuit 10 days after the creditors claim,we can assume that's what the Estate is doing.

Estate's first step will be to try to get the creditor claim and the lawsuit dismissed (demurrer) based on law. Such as saying the time to file the creditors claim has passed, statue of limitations has passed on a sexual abuse claim and so on. If they succeed it's all good and over. They can say that there was no legal basis for Wade's claims and the court dismissed his frivolous claims.

That's the first step. Don't expect Estate to entertain his claims and go into an innocent - guilty battle unless it's absolutely necessary.

Pimboli;3825031 said:
no, he isnt. But isn't the Estate=Michael Jackson? Can't they sue on his behalf?

you can't defame the dead. Also as public figure (even when alive) any defamation would require to prove an actual damage and an actual malice - which is a hard standard to achieve.

Petrarose;3825075 said:
Guys, I see we have a lot of information on what Wade said in 09 when Michael died, etc., but remember according to Wade's head he only UNDERSTOOD that what Michael did to him was molestation in either 2 years ago, when his kid was 18 months, or last year March, so showing what he did prior to 2011 is not as strong as showing what he did from 2011 onwards. I know, I know, Wade made it up. However, if we show all the tributes, words, actions he did before he UNDERSTOOD, he could say they do not count because he was still in his DON'T UNDERSTAND mode. You see his head works different from most people

la_cienega;3825076 said:
^ I think they still do count though, if he'd always known and been conscious about it then it shows he's a very confused mixed up person and also shows that without MJ here to coach him he seemed to be just fine winging these praises off by himself.

Big Apple2;3825085 said:
Ain't nobody gonna fall for that. LOL!

Two years ago, he was what, 28 years old, and had gone through several rounds with Michael's legal issues. Interviewed during the Chandler era. Interviewed by various media outlets. Interviewed by TMez as a defense witness. A very harsh cross-examination by Ron Zonen. Yet he STILL thinks folks will believe he remembered everything but at the time didn't understand it was abuse. A GROWN MAN, who remembered everything but didn't understand it was abuse. PLEASE!

He was better off going the "repressed memory" route. As far as I'm concerned (and apparently many others), he messed up with his "I remember everything" interview.

Petra is right. Wade's claim now "oh I know it all the time but I just understood what it is". But you are also right that it's probably not going to be convincing.

Now it makes sense that a 7 year old to think "this is love" or be scared with " we can go to jail for the rest of our lives" but a 22 year old (when he testified in 2005) would know better.

I saw a comment on a TMZ Youtube video yesterday. It's kinda blunt but it said "what's so hard to understand a d*ck in your mouth?" And I totally agree with that. A 22 year old will understand that. A 22 year old will know the difference between sex and love, the concept of abuse and who goes jail and who doesn't.

Also TMZ pointed out in their TMZ Live yesterday that 2005 cross examination is pretty direct to the point. Wade answers No to whether they lay together, whether they cuddled, whether they kissed.

so it wasn't a vague questioning that asked "did Michael abuse you" and he replied no because he didn't understand what "abuse" was. He was asked very direct and easy questions and he replied "no".
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

As I watched the interview, I thought he really thinks he is pulling off this scam of a story. I do think he projected the composed exterior he wanted to, but in watching him, I thought the composure was all facade. I bet behind close doors he may be anything but composed. I'm going to go full out and theorize that behind closed doors he is very very different. I wouldn't be surprisied if he is a first class jerk, and treated his wife the way first class jerks do, and she was about to leave his butt. and he had to come up with a reason to justify his behavior. Without much forethought, he pulled out the most effective reason anyone can have...that he was abused as a child. Voila! That explains everything about him. No doubt that immediately got him all the sympathy and understanding a jerk could possibly ask for.

At one time, I thought AEG maybe did have something to do with all this. I now firmly believe it's all Wade Robson. He's putting on the performance of a lifetime to justify his actions, actions that may have cost him Cirque or Britney or whatever. Most child stars are obnoxious, and WR was a child star in the dancing world, was choregraphing shows as an adolescent, and was a protege of the greatest entertainer in the world.

One of the things that set MJ apart was that he always remained humble despite his childhood success. But that was MJ.
Wade could have been the very opposite. And now, he's got the best possible reason to explain behavior that may have cost him jobs or even relationships. I know this is all theory, but if he can fabricate this reprehensible junk about MJ, all theory is allowed. When he called Michael the p word, I had to stop watching, and still haven't gone back to finish watching.

Wade Robson is a coward, and that he's chosen to vilify MJ instead of facing his own issues or shortcomings proves it. I so hope people start telling the truth about him. I already know he's a pathological liar.
 
Some discussion about him quitting the Britney tour in 2008 from a Britney message board:

Wade Robson Confirms: Not Working On \"Circus\" Tour - Page 2 - The Britney Spears Forum - Exhale

They are puzzled about it. Also rumours of drugs:

Seems appropriately PC. I wonder if we\'ll ever know the real truth.
We do know the truth, Wade is a pot head, and possibly more.
They\'re \"own projects\"... In other words, They quit because of reasons they will never release. But most likely Jamie\'s \"controlling ways\" :(
Oh stop sucking Jordan\'s cock. Wade would have never been able to pass a drug test, bottom line.
Oh, so my point is less valid because you think I\'m an anon? Wow, smart. No, we have actual facts, Jamie didn\'t do anything. Anyone that has been a fan of Wade for a long time knows he\'s a pothead, potheads can\'t pass drug tests, sorry. And Amanda Robson is two bit, I\'m glad we don\'t have to deal with her ass now. Honestly Getting Jamie King is a blessing. Wade would have created more stuff in the style of Womanizer and Circus preformances, and you bitches would have complained.
all this makes me so nervous for this tour. i dont want to jump to conclusions but i just dont know what to think. the statment released was very pc like someone said. why would wade quit the biggest tour of 09? i doubt he has projects that are going to be bigger than this tour. and as far as him being a pothead -- i really dont understand what that has to do with him being able to come up with hot choreography. im sure he wasnt going into rehearsals high. i cant stand how everyone on exhale acts as if britney does no wrong and places the blame on everyone around her. the truth is that these last 6 performances have lacked that fire that we\'ve come to expect from ms spears. and we cant blame that on choreographers they can only do so much. they cant go on stage and physically move britney. all that said im still excited to see the show. i hope i see that spark that made me a fanatic.
Paid tons to keep his mouth shut? I don\'t think you have to pay him to not post \"I was fired from a huge project that would have paid me tons because I failed a drug test\"
BTW, Cirque requires drug test too for their Las Vegas shows...

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respect77;3825137 said:
Some discussion about him quitting the Britney tour in 2008 from a Britney message board:

Wade Robson Confirms: Not Working On \"Circus\" Tour - Page 2 - The Britney Spears Forum - Exhale

They are puzzled about it. Also rumours of drugs:

BTW, Cirque requires drug test too for their Las Vegas shows...

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Wow... you are on a Britney board yes? So we are closer and closer to bit formation that Wade as a druggie
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wow... you are on a Britney board yes? So we are closer and closer to bit formation that Wade as a druggie

I'm not on a Britney board, I just found it googling for info on him.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade Robson is digging himself a hole and
he is about to fall into it
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

was robson supposed to be working on "the One" (that opens in june? this year)?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Estate's first step will be to try to get the creditor claim and the lawsuit dismissed (demurrer) based on law. Such as saying the time to file the creditors claim has passed, statue of limitations has passed on a sexual abuse claim and so on. If they succeed it's all good and over. They can say that there was no legal basis for Wade's claims and the court dismissed his frivolous claims.

That's the first step. Don't expect Estate to entertain his claims and go into an innocent - guilty battle unless it's absolutely necessary.

yes, that's what I meant, you said it 100 times better.
 
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