Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Petrarose]

exactly and then Randy said he fired her.. what the hell is Randy doing firing anyone in MJ's staff unless this is around 2004-2005 when he took over MJ's affairs during the trial??

That's my first thought. Randy can't fire Michael's nanny. If it was in 05, the nanny would be with his children. The great Randy to the Rescue again. Panish now trying to do damage control & says everyone knew except AEG, so if the family knew and were not successful with an intervention, as Randy and siblings claim, how do they expect AEG could control what Michel did with his dr, or prevent Michael from having his dr. Panish fails to see that this type of addict will have a difficult time doing a world tour until he is about 70, touring around the world, plus making lots of movies.

Oh I really wish this case had a party that was on Michel's side, but unfortunately both sides is against Michael. I am still wondering how the bodyguards do not recall a group of family members coming about 7 times to have a meeting with Michael.

Crillion that is the thing. AEG puts on witnesses who show drug use that is secret. Panish claims in his opening statement that everyone knew. His experts talk about the 93 rehab, but no witness on either side has said that AEG or the general public knew Michel was taking drugs continuously. In fact, AEG focuses on what Michael's doctors were doing, and those records were not public. Panish has already rested his case and still has not shown evidence for the "AEG should have known" comment in his opening speech.

 

[twinklEE]

Michael deserved a better family than that. Im sitting in the subway riht now and have tears in my eyes.
These people deserved to rot in in Gary for the rest of their lives.
I hope and pray to God to get this *******

 

[jaydom7]

yeah 7 interventions and Mike La Perreque claims he seen a helicopter with Randy once but there was no interventionist with him. I bet the jury is so confused.. Mike is the only addict in history with a good heart, good liver and good health.

 

[passy001]

Randy Jackson said his brother was terrified during the run-up to his 2005 child molestation trial in Santa Maria. At one point Randy Jackson said he had to take his brother to a hospital because “he was under the influence of something.”

Guys, is this true? I'm pretty sure that the only time in 2005 MJ was sent to the hospital was due to back problems. The judge even went as far as issuing an arrest warrant.

 

[jaydom7]

If the family is the only one who knew then they should've helped him or made it known to the many doctors that MJ had a problem and don't give him medications. WTF?? This family is awful.. I am assuming Mama Kat had no clue about the other 6 interventions because she doesn't like 'bad news'.. and Randy claims things got so bad he had to sit down and write a letter to the family to help MJ.. I guess calling a family crisis meeting to save MJ's life was just too much work, so he just wrote a letter. I swear I hate this family:no:

 

[Petrarose]

Guys, is this true? I'm pretty sure that the only time in 2005 MJ was sent to the hospital was due to back problems. The judge even went as far as issuing an arrest warrant.

Yeah I wanted someone to look at what Jermain said in his book about the hospital. I remember that Jermain said they were at the hospital with Micahel and that was the first time he saw the extent of the vitiligo and Michael put his had out and said all he did was help people, and Katherine said "oh Michael." However, I can't remember why they went to the hospital. He was sick anyway, but now Randy claims some drug issue, but he does not know what drug. I think Randy resents Michael. I really do, because I do not know what brother will do something like this.

 

[Petrarose]

If the family is the only one who knew then they should've helped him or made it known to the many doctors that MJ had a problem and don't give him medications. WTF?? This family is awful.. I am assuming Mama Kat had no clue about the other 6 interventions because she doesn't like 'bad news'.. and Randy claims things got so bad he had to sit down and write a letter to the family to help MJ.. I guess calling a family crisis meeting to save MJ's life was just too much work, so he just wrote a letter. I swear I hate this family:no:

You know that is a good point about the letter. Now we know that everyone has a phone, so how come he did not simply call and say come over to the house to discuss about an important issue. Who is going to write a letter; make 8 copies; put in 8 envelopes, put 8 stamps on them, & mail them? Does that sound like Randy to you?

Maybe I am too harsh but the 3 times the siblings really tried to talk to Michel about drugs, I feel was done because they felt Michael would tour with them, if the drugs did not get in the way.

By the way no Gary celebration this August? I guess court is more important.

I just thought of something: wasn't it the plaintiffs during cross who brought out the fact that La Perreque never saw any other people come for interventions?

 

[ivy]

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Interventions:
NY
Neverland
Las Vegas

Q: Were there any other?
A: It was more than one at Neverland.
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Q: You mentioned Grace would called but was getting him medication?
A: Yes. A few times I would meet her at the pharmacy.
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Randy: I staged several interventions and set up, tried to get him help many times.
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"I was just kind of taken aback by it, maybe," he said.

Q: Did you have concerns about MJ at that point?
A: Yes
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"He said he took it to help him sleep, and he said it was a mistake and that he was sorry about it," Randy testified.
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Randy asked MJ next day if he remembered what happened. He said MJ replied "no, no, but I heard."
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Next morning, Randy said MJ was sleeping pretty late. "I wanted to make sure he was ok, then I left," he said.
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Randy instructed one os the Cascios to sleep next to MJ. He stayed overnight as well.
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"Just let him rest it off. Somebody should sleep next to him, make sure he doesn't vomit or choke, anything like that," doc told Randy.
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Randy said the doctor gave MJ something that would counter, help counter whatever it is he had done.
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Randy: And as I recall, I called my doctor who lived literally around the corner. My doctor came over and took care of him, said he'll be ok
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Randy: They ran downstairs and told me that he had collapsed. And I went upstairs. I picked him up, put him on the bed, it was pretty late.
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A: I went downstairs, I think he had some friends over. And I went downstairs to eat something.
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Q: Did he tell you what he was taking specifically?
A: No

Q: Did you do anything else besides take it away?
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Randy said there wasn't much to talk to MJ then. "Yes, I could talk to him but I'd pick my moments. I'd wait till he'd be a bit more in tune
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Randy: Because what good would it be to help him if you're leaving stuff there?
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Q: You just looked around the house and took bottles?
A: I made her show where everything was.
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Randy said some prescription drugs were in Grace's name. "It was upsetting to me. I think she had a hard time saying no to him."
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Randy said he tried to take everything away, from Grace too. "It was ironic because she was giving it to him but complaining about it."
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A: He was certainly under the influence of something that was altering his normal way of functioning. I tried to get help him some help.
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Randy: We had discussed this before, so I kind of knew what was going on.

Q: And what did you see when you went over there?
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Grace called Randy again to come over. "She needed help with him. He wasn't doing so well."
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"I went over to help him out and take everything away as I could," Randy testified.
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Randy said his speech was slurred. Then Grace, his nanny, would tell me all the time, "You need to get over here. Something's not right."
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Randy said this was in 2005 at the Shadow Wood home in Beverly Hills. "He was under the influence of something."
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Other than the times Randy described in the last deposition, she said saw signs MJ was on prescription medications at home.
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Q: Did you ever see any signs he was on prescription meds on tour?
A: No.
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Randy said Michael enjoyed touring.
Q: Why do you say that?
A: Well, because we like to tour, perform.
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Second part of the deposition was taped on March 26, 2013.
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Q: From 2000 until the time that your brother passed were there periods you believed he didn't problem with prescription drugs?
A: Yes
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Randy said his brother didn't drink. "I never seen him drink alcohol."
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Randy had already selected a rehab facility to take MJ. It was in the Bay area, San Francisco. The same place were interventionist worked
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Randy said they were concerned about prescription abuse around the time MJ was living at the Carolwood house.
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Randy: Leonard Rowe was involved very much in the shows and was giving reports to me that he didn't look too good.
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Randy: There was a drug issue. He wasn't eating. All of these things were happening at the same time. And, you know, a lot of pressure.
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Randy said he and his father tried to call MJ while he lived at Carolwood home. "We were unsuccessful," he said.
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Q: Did your mother ever tell you she believed your brother had problem w/ prescription drugs?
A: No, no, she didn't tell me that believed
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"I told her that we need to plan an intervention and that, her being a mother, because she was there."
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Randy said he had a phone call with his mother, he initiated the conversation.
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That was after the second attempted intervention at Neverland, Randy testified, which was the same as the one his mother attended.
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Q: Did you ever discuss you believed your brother had a problem with prescription drugs with your mother?
A: Yes
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Q: Did he ever tell you he had a problem with prescription drugs?
A: No.
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Randy: Just excessive use, maybe, I don't know if I would call that an addict, I'm not a doctor.
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Q: Was he addicted?
A: I don't know, I wasn't sure, I wasn't clear on it.
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Randy said he forgot the doctors' names. He talked to doctor friends he knew about his concerns of MJ's prescription drug abuse.
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Randy: Also, as I recall, I tried calling a doctor in Vegas and a doctor in Florida, but they wouldn't talk to me about it.
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Randy didn't talk to MJ about it at this point. He talked to Rebbie. "I was investigating about it, talking to people around him."
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Q: What medicine?
A: Sedatives, whatever they call them, sedatives.
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"She just told me she was concerned," Randy described. "Because he was using prescription medication too much."
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"The first time was in Los Angeles, she called me," Randy said. It was around 2000, year 2000.
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Q: When did you first come to believe MJ had a prob with prescription drugs?
A: I guess it was Grace.
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Q: Did your brother ever discuss taking medication to sleep?
A: No

"I never got a call about illegal drugs," Randy explained.
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Randy said he never saw MJ take prescription drugs or illegal drugs. He never heard of propofol or diprivan prior to MJ's death.
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Randy did not know about MJ taking anesthesiologists on tour.
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"I went to visit him at the hospital," Randy said about MJ. He never discussed with MJ insomnia, sleeping problems.
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Q: Did MJ talk to you about his burned scalp?
A: Yes. He said it was painful.
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Randy learned DiLeo came back as MJ's while the O2 show was being put together.

Q: Was he a good manager?
A: Yes
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Randy said he went to visit Frank DiLeo in the hospital after he was in a coma. He knew DiLeo for 20-30 years.
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"I told him I wanted him to go to the therapist with me," Randy described. He said this was after Santa Maria trial, which took over things
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They were at the Ranch for 2/3 hours. Randy discussed with MJ the Ranch intervention after.
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"He just did it and got ready for the trial," Randy explained. MJ never discuss any drug problem with Randy ever.
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After the Las Vegas intervention, Randy said he watched MJ clean up. He was around, it was around Santa Maria trial.
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"My mom didn't believe it," Randy explained. "But it's my mom, she didn't want to believe it."
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Just leaving there all the brother talked about it, Randy said. Other family members didn't believe him either.
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Q: He also refused to go to rehab?
A: Yes

"I didn't believe him," Randy testified.
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Q: Believe your brother had problem with prescription drug?
A: Yes

Q: Did MJ deny he had a prob with prescription drugs?
A: Yes
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MJ didn't want to go to rehab that time either. The brothers stayed a few hours. It was just family, no doctors.
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Randy said he just walked in. One the brothers went over fence to open the gate

Q: Because security won't let you in?
A: Yes. We don't ask
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Q: Did you mom go?
A: I think so. Janet, Rebbie, no Marlon, not sure LaToya, no Jermaine, Tito maybe, Jackie
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Randy: I think my mom found out about the Grace.

"My family went with me," he said.
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Randy told siblings, Rebbie, brothers, Janet. They had another conference call. The parents were not on the call.
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Randy doesn't know how he cleaned up. The intervention at the Ranch occurred after NY. He got a call from Grace "You need to get down here."
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Randy: He stopped using these things, as fas as I know, he stopped using it. I learned it from Grace, pretty much Grace.
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Q: Did he clean up after LV intervention?
A: Yes
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Randy testified the brothers just talked to him. "Just tell him that his family loves him, concerned for him."
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Randy called Grace. "She told me that he cleaned up,"

Q: How?
A: Because I was there, probably.
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MJ didn't go to rehab, Randy didn't tell the parents, he said he didn't want to stress them out.
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Randy doesn't remember the details of the conversation, whether MJ admitted or not abusing prescription drugs.
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"He wouldn't go" Randy said about his attempt to take MJ to rehab.

Q: Did you tell him to go?
A: Yes
Q: Did he tell you he wouldn't?
A: Yes
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Randy went with family only to the NY intervention.

Q: Did he agreed to see you?
A: I guess, I just walked in.
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"You need to get down here," Randy said Grace told him. She didn't need to say anything else. "Because, my brother," Randy explained.
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Grace called him, he called the family, other family members, Rebbie, Tito, Janet, Randy said.
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Grace had called Randy each time. Janet, Rebbie and Tito were with Randy in NY. It happened in early to mid-2000.
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Randy believes the NY attempt happened prior to the Vegas time. He said he was worried about MJ, about "prescription," "prescription abuse."
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Besides Michael, just security was present.

Q: You mentioned another one in NY?
A: Yes
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Randy discussed with the doctors the attempted interventions. Randy did not speak with the doctors again after that.
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Randy said he told the doctor there had been prior attempts to get MJ help and they weren't successful, needed professional help.
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Randy discussed MJ's stint in rehab before with the singer. Randy said he thinks it was one time that MJ was in rehab.
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He said he wanted to know just what they do and what is the procedure here, what they suggest.
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Randy said he met the interventionist doctor at Madeo for lunch, probably met doctor one time prior as well.
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They talked to MJ while there, Randy said. He doesn't rememeber specifically what was said, but that the family loved him, wanted to help.
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Q: Besides siblings and the doctor was there somebody else who went?
A: I don't recall who the 2nd guy was. I didn't arrange it, Janet knew
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Q: Had you met him before?
A: No. Internet, maybe

Q: Was this Mr. Webb?
A: No. I don't recall
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"He was an experienced interventionist," Randy testified.

Q: How did you know that?
A: He told me
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Randy said he doesn't know if the parents talked to MJ. Randy and Janet had a doctor in the mix for the Vegas intervention.
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Q: Did you ever discuss that with your parents?
A: Yes
Q Their reaction?
A: Displeased
Q: With?
A: Him not getting the help that he needed.
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Randy: No, let me correct that. Initially we were playing on our tour, the brothers tour. There was concern then.
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Randy said Leonard Rowe told him MJ may have prob w/ prescription drug. He guessed it was around time shows in London were being prepared
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Q: Up until the time of his passing you never discussed it with him again?
A: No
Q: Why not?
A: I hadn't gotten call from Grace or anyone
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"It was just around the Santa Maria trial," Randy said. "It was after, I think."
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Q: When was next discussion?
A: That may have been the last time, maybe. There were prior times.
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Q: Did you leave thinking he had a prob?
A: Yes
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Randy said MJ told him 'Don't worry, I'm okay. I'm not gonna go.'

Q: Did he seem ok?
A: At the time yes
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Q: Did he say whether or not he had a problem with prescription drugs at that time?
A: No. No he didn't say it
They were with MJ for 2 hours
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Q: Did he deny he had a problem with prescription drugs at that time?
A: No
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MJ didn't go to rehab. Randy said the other siblings told MJ the same thing, to go to rehab.

Q: Did he admit having a problem?
A: No
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Q: Did you see MJ?
A: Yes. I told him him I was taking him to rehab," Randy said. "He said he was not going. I said you are, he said I'm not
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Randy said security told him MJ didn't want to see him. Just drive in and walked in the house. The gate was open, I just drove in walked in.
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Randy confronted MJ every time Grace called him.
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Grace called Randy before about MJ using prescription drugs. He said she called him two or 3 times before.
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Q: Have you ever believed MJ was abusing prescription drugs before?
A: Yes.
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Randy said he spoken with Grace, the other siblings spoke with her too. "We may have had a conference call."
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MJ was staying in Vegas. Randy said he went there with Jackie, Rebbie, maybe Janet, maybe Marlon.
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Randy said it was around the time of the trial, doesn't know if before or after, not sure.
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"Because I had received call that he had been abusing prescription drugs," Randy said. Grace called him, he's sure if she called anyone else
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MJ's brother said one intervention was in Vegas, then in NY then LA. Randy remembered 3 times and intervention being attempted.
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"I wanted to make sure he was ok," Randy testified.
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Q: Your brother didn't want to see you and you went to see him?
A: Yes
Q: Couple occasions?
A: Yes, 3 or 4 times
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There was a time he was the manager, then not manager, then manager again, Randy said.
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Randy said Frank DiLeo was MJ's manager. "From what I understand until my brother passed," he explained.
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Q: Did you call him in 2009?
A: I don't remember
Q: Did you see him in 2009?
A: I don't remember
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Randy said he doesn't remember when it was the last time he spoke with MJ. He said MJ was traveling.
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The attorneys stipulated the firing occurred in 2004/2005.

Randy said he and Michael were pretty close, since they were close in age.
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Q: Why?
A: Because he asked me to.
Q: Your brother Michael did?
A: Yes
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First deposition was on Nov 6, 2012.

Q: Do you know Grace Rwamba?
A:Yes, and fired her too.
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Jessica Stebbins Bina said AEG is calling Randy Jackson via video deposition.

Q- Question (by an attorney)
A- Answer (by Randy Jackson)

 

[jaydom7]

so Grace was calling Randy?? Lord what a mess

 

[passy001]

That's my first thought. Randy can't fire Michael's nanny. If it was in 05, the nanny would be with his children. The great Randy to the Rescue again. Panish now trying to do damage control & says everyone knew except AEG, so if the family knew and were not successful with an intervention, as Randy and siblings claim, how do they expect AEG could control what Michel did with his dr, or prevent Michael from having his dr. Panish fails to see that this type of addict will have a difficult time doing a world tour until he is about 70, touring around the world, plus making lots of movies.
Very true. Panish is definitely doing damage control. I think the plaintiffs flipflopped their strategy once they realized it was going to back fire. but it was already too late by then. the jacksons had already been deposed.

Crillion that is the thing. AEG puts on witnesses who show drug use that is secret. Panish claims in his opening statement that everyone knew. His experts talk about the 93 rehab, but no witness on either side has said that AEG or the general public knew Michel was taking drugs continuously. In fact, AEG focuses on what Michael's doctors were doing, and those records were not public. Panish has already rested his case and still has not shown evidence for the "AEG should have known" comment in his opening speech.

If MJ had all these issues, how do the plaintiffs expect MJ to perform till the age of 65? and calling KJ "in denial" is certainly not helping her. in fact that pretty much bodes well with AEG, saying she had an "idealized perception of her son".

 

[Petrarose]

I just read the deposition and my head is spinning. There is contradiction upon contradiction. One minute it is only an intervention in NV then next time it is 3 states. Then he takes away bottles, but he does not know what drugs? Then he gets an interventionist, but does not know the name? He mentions the internet. He gets a doctor who lives next to him to see Michael.

Does anyone know when Randy was living in Michael's house?

How about this:
It seems it was Grace he is talking about and fired, if that is true.

Q: You mentioned Grace would called but was getting him medication?
A: Yes. A few times I would meet her at the pharmacy.

I guess this is when they were in the J5???
Q: Did you ever see any signs he was on prescription meds on tour?
A: No.



This shows he knows nothing about his brother since J5 days, and that he does not see him much:
Randy said Michael enjoyed touring.
Q: Why do you say that?
A: Well, because we like to tour, perform.


Then, he says this, which is one of the few good things he said about his brother, although he did not know what his brother was doing:
Q: From 2000 until the time that your brother passed were there periods you believed he didn't problem with prescription drugs?
A: Yes


Here he does not know much about his brother at all:
Randy said his brother didn't drink. "I never seen him drink alcohol."


Then every time they want Michael to do something like a tour and Michael is saying no, suddenly everyone realizes Michael has a drug problem. Look at how he tells on himself below:
Randy said they were concerned about prescription abuse around the time MJ was living at the Carolwood house.
andy: Leonard Rowe was involved very much in the shows and was giving reports to me that he didn't look too good.
Randy: There was a drug issue. He wasn't eating. All of these things were happening at the same time. And, you know, a lot of pressure.

Randy said he and his father tried to call MJ while he lived at Carolwood home. "We were unsuccessful," he said
Randy: No, let me correct that. Initially we were playing on our tour, the brothers tour. There was concern then.



I also think he made up a lie about knowing Michel was having drug problems at the Carolwood house in order to make a connection between Muarry & AEG, since that was the time Muarry was doctoring Micheal. You know the Muarry that AEG hired to pressure and drug Michael. Randy is so transparent. It is so interesting that people were saying they were pressuring Michel to tour with them, and here we have Randy confirming that. Poor Michael.

If he knew Michael had drug problems in that house why didn't he tell him mom, since Katherine said AEG should have called her when Michael looked sick and she would help him.

 

[passy001]

I think for the sake of MJ, the judge should throw this case out. The man should not be on trial. that's just wrong.

 

[jaydom7]

I just read the deposition and my head is spinning. There is contradiction upon contradiction. One minute it is only an intervention in NV then next time it is 3 states. Then he takes away bottles, but he does not know what drugs? Then he gets an interventionist, but does not know the name? He mentions the internet. He gets a doctor who lives next to him to see Michael.

Does anyone know when Randy was living in Michael's house?

How about this:
It seems it was Grace he is talking about and fired, if that is true.

Q: You mentioned Grace would called but was getting him medication?
A: Yes. A few times I would meet her at the pharmacy.

I guess this is when they were in the J5???
Q: Did you ever see any signs he was on prescription meds on tour?
A: No.



This shows he knows nothing about his brother since J5 days, and that he does not see him much:
Randy said Michael enjoyed touring.
Q: Why do you say that?
A: Well, because we like to tour, perform.


Then, he says this, which is one of the few good things he said about his brother, although he did not know what his brother was doing:
Q: From 2000 until the time that your brother passed were there periods you believed he didn't problem with prescription drugs?
A: Yes


Here he does not know much about his brother at all:
Randy said his brother didn't drink. "I never seen him drink alcohol."


Then every time they want Michael to do something like a tour and Michael is saying no, suddenly everyone realizes Michael has a drug problem. Look at how he tells on himself below:
Randy said they were concerned about prescription abuse around the time MJ was living at the Carolwood house.
andy: Leonard Rowe was involved very much in the shows and was giving reports to me that he didn't look too good.
Randy: There was a drug issue. He wasn't eating. All of these things were happening at the same time. And, you know, a lot of pressure.

Randy said he and his father tried to call MJ while he lived at Carolwood home. "We were unsuccessful," he said
Randy: No, let me correct that. Initially we were playing on our tour, the brothers tour. There was concern then.



I also think he made up a lie about knowing Michel was having drug problems at the Carolwood house in order to make a connection between Muarry & AEG, since that was the time Muarry was doctoring Micheal. You know the Muarry that AEG hired to pressure and drug Michael. Randy is so transparent. It is so interesting that people were saying they were pressuring Michel to tour with them, and here we have Randy confirming that. Poor Michael.

If he knew Michael had drug problems in that house why didn't he tell him mom, since Katherine said AEG should have called her when Michael looked sick and she would help him.

well Katherine claims she was never denied access to MJ and she went to Carolwood to visit MJ a lot of times and she didn't notice he was skinny and frail yet Leonard Rowe called Randy and said MJ wasn't eating and didn't look well yet Katherine was clueless and she saw him more than they did:bugeyed

 

[jaydom7]

well Randy just admitted that he, his father and Leonard Rowe wanted to call MJ about the 'brother's tour' even though Leonard Rowe suspects drugs and Mike is too thin and not looking well yet they want to discuss the brothers tour

 

[passy001]

well Randy just admitted that he, his father and Leonard Rowe wanted to call MJ about the 'brother's tour' even though Leonard Rowe suspects drugs and Mike is too thin and not looking well yet they want to discuss the brothers tour

I agree.

Those interventions were about touring. they were never about drugs. it's obvious his testimony is a bag of lies. There is a reason Panish never called him to the stand.

 

[Petrarose]

well Katherine claims she was never denied access to MJ and she went to Carolwood to visit MJ a lot of times and she didn't notice he was skinny and frail yet Leonard Rowe called Randy and said MJ wasn't eating and didn't look well yet Katherine was clueless and she saw him more than they did:bugeyed

Glad you see all the lies and contradictions. Katherine shows everything is all right. In fact after Michel died she claimed she saw him at the party and he was well and happy. She files a case and the claim is that he is shaky, afraid, etc. then Randy says he told her Michael had a drug problem, yet she wants AEG to call her when they saw Micheal losing weight. Both Randy and Katherine, needed to sit down and make a plan to stick to the same story. Unfortunately Randy made up part of his story as he went along. I wonder if Frank remembers Randy telling one of them to sleep by Michel and make sure he did not choke? I wish someone could verify some of his testimony, because Randy wants those millions and will say anything.

How about the tourventions!!!

 

[Petrarose]

Anyone notices that there is a difference in the content of the deposition he did on November 6 2012 and the one he did on March 26 2013. It is almost as though he changed his strategy, and guess what--it was in the March 26 one, when it was close to trial, that he came up with the story about knowing Michel had drug problems in the Carolwood house. Makes you really think...

 

[passy001]

so Grace was calling Randy?? Lord what a mess

No wonder she's gone "missing". It's obvious she wants nothing to do with this nonsense.

 

[jaydom7]

yep she's missing in action.. to her calling Randy about MJ's episodes to Paris saying she was getting into bed with Daddy and saying she was his wife.. No wonder she's missing. This is like a made for tv movie.

 

[passy001]

Anyone notices that there is a difference in the content of the deposition he did on November 6 2012 and the one he did on March 26 2013. It is almost as though he changed his strategy, and guess what--it was in the March 26 one, when it was close to trial, that he came up with the story about knowing Michel had drug problems in the Carolwood house. Makes you really think...

Yeah. Randy tried to retro fit the hole he left in the first depo. but it was already too late. he figured by claiming that if he, a lay person or non-medical person, can see that MJ had a drug problem all along, then AEG should have known also. That's why he changed his depo.

it's interesting he thought MJ had a drug problem, yet KO who was much closer thought something else. In fact KO thought it was psychological and nutrition related.

 

[SheilaMJFan4Ever]

Michael deserved a better family than that. Im sitting in the subway riht now and have tears in my eyes.
These people deserved to rot in in Gary for the rest of their lives.
I hope and pray to God to get this *******

*Hug* I hear ya, TwinkLEE and have felt that way for DECADES. I haven't been tuning in to this circus, because I'd just get pissed off and saddened at the same time. I do appreciate the updates in this forum, that they're there if I WANT to 'keep up'. I'm still burnt out over Murray's trial. Poor Michael... :'(

 

[Justthefacts]

I will give Grace the benefit of the doubt here. Just because Randy is liar. I don't believe a word he says

 

[passy001]

Is Rebbie still sick? it's been a few days of sickness already. I bet she's thinking: "What am I going to say now?"

 

[jaydom7]

3T were very close to MJ and they were grown men during all of these interventions with Randy, why didn't Randy involve them since they were so close to MJ? and Taj claimed he stayed with his uncle for a year at Neverland. Why didn't he see any of this stuff that Randy is claiming???:bugeyed

 

[passy001]

I will give Grace the benefit of the doubt here. Just because Randy is liar. I don't believe a word he says

True. I think the Jacksons approached her to lie about MJ but she probably turned them down. hence the "missing" act.

 

[Tygger]

The plaintiffs in the lawsuit are Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket. Any suggestion that there are others behind it is unfounded speculation.

Agreed. I also do not know what Randy’s past has to do with AEG’s culpability either.

Mesereau has never confirmed the family orchestrated this trial for Katherine to pursue in the clip. Randy did not confirm orchestrating this lawsuit via tweets. Randy reached out to Mesereau because he was suspicious of AEG as many others were. Randy and Mesereau offered Panish which still does not make Randy the mastermind behind this trial. Only Katherine could make that decision and she has testified that she made that decision alone. If she had decided to not pursue the trial, we would have no trial regardless of what Randy and her children may have wanted.

AEG had the chance to ask Randy if he did indeed orchestrate this trial. If they did ask, they did not get the answer they were looking for as it was not played in court today. Instead jurors saw Randy discuss Michael’s past issues with substances and he was very detailed that his family, nanny, and it seems a Cascio member, were aware. Where is the secret?

I will say Mesereau agrees with me that if AEG decided to take the risk of allegedly hiring this doctor then, they have to take on the full responsibility, risks, and liability that comes with that. It was a great interview actually. The male interviewing Mesereau seemed to be very supportive of AEG and “blaming the victim” and Mesereau debated those comments quite well.

 

[passy001]

3T were very close to MJ and they were grown men during all of these interventions with Randy, why didn't Randy involve them since they were so close to MJ? and Taj claimed he stayed with his uncle for a year at Neverland. Why didn't he see any of this stuff that Randy is claiming???:bugeyed

They all claim to be close. yet they know f-u-c-k all. from the lioness to the curbs. The only people who knew MJ are his kids.

 

[Bubs]

you might want to tell this to T-Mez because apparently he disagrees with you. everyone might want to listen to first few minutes T-Mez talking about Randy wanting all of these to be investigated.

So Tom Mesereau said that Randy was suspicious, he and Randy met with Brian Panish first, and then Katherine met with Panish at Janet's house. Katherine on the other hand testified that she did not discuss this case with her kids before she filed it. So if the kids did not know anything before she filed it, how can they meet the lawyers before she did? How can Randy ask for lawyer recommendations if he did not know anything before Katherine filed the lawsuit?

This is not the first time that T-Mez have said Randy approached him about the lawsuit and he recommended Panish to him.

so who is lying? Katherine or Tom Mesereau?

I cannot belive that TMezz just told to world KJ was lying on stand when she said she didn't talk to cubs before she filed the lawsuit! KJ is going to get some heat from that when she is called to stand by AEG lawyers.

 

[Bubs]

"Randy Jackson says the interventions took place in diverse locations including New York, Las Vegas, Jackson’s Neverland Ranch and Taiwan and dated back to the mid-1990s."

Taiwan too? Wasn't that the time when Joe and KJ went there but MJ didn't want to see them?

“Michael didn’t want to be around the family too much because he didn’t want them to see him like that,” Randy Jackson said. “He was hiding from me.”

I think MJ was hiding because Randy is officially off his rockers. Didn't he threated MJ at one occasion and MJ told he was scared of Randy?

"He said most of the interventions were attended by his sisters Rebbie and Janet and his brothers, Tito, Marlon, and his father, Joe Jackson. But he said his mother only came along once or twice. He said she was unwilling to accept that Michael was addicted and he felt “she was in denial. She just didn’t want to believe.”"

If Randy is to be believed, who in their right mind takes Joe Jackson to stage intervention?

"Randy Jackson said his brother was terrified during the run-up to his 2005 child molestation trial in Santa Maria. At one point Randy Jackson said he had to take his brother to a hospital because “he was under the influence of something.”
He said he had no idea what drugs Jackson was taking.
“He was very frightened, and I had to get him to court,” Randy Jackson said.

Hmm, when TMezz was interviewed, he said he never saw MJ under the influence?

 

[passy001]

"Randy Jackson says the interventions took place in diverse locations including New York, Las Vegas, Jackson’s Neverland Ranch and Taiwan and dated back to the mid-1990s."

Taiwan too? Wasn't that the time when Joe and KJ went there but MJ didn't want to see them?

“Michael didn’t want to be around the family too much because he didn’t want them to see him like that,” Randy Jackson said. “He was hiding from me.”

I think MJ was hiding because Randy is officially off his rockers. Didn't he threated MJ at one occasion and MJ told he was scared of Randy?

"He said most of the interventions were attended by his sisters Rebbie and Janet and his brothers, Tito, Marlon, and his father, Joe Jackson. But he said his mother only came along once or twice. He said she was unwilling to accept that Michael was addicted and he felt “she was in denial. She just didn’t want to believe.”"

If Randy is to be believed, who in their right mind takes Joe Jackson to stage intervention?

"Randy Jackson said his brother was terrified during the run-up to his 2005 child molestation trial in Santa Maria. At one point Randy Jackson said he had to take his brother to a hospital because “he was under the influence of something.”
He said he had no idea what drugs Jackson was taking.
“He was very frightened, and I had to get him to court,” Randy Jackson said.

Hmm, when TMezz was interviewed, he said he never saw MJ under the influence?

now the question is, who is lying, Randy or T-Mez?