Michael Jackson To Unleash World Premiere Experience At Billboard Music Awards

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@WhoIsIt89 Just two for example. And before you say anything nobody said you.

Yet another confirmation that an actor (impersonator) was involved in the whole dancing including the head, then they rendered the face.

New video on CNN confirms it was an "Actor" doing the moves, also pretty much confirms NO CGI body, all that was added was the CGI head.

@ LastTears, except the CNN video wasn't preceded with "here's proof" or a "confirmation". Not the one I posted, I didn't see Birchey say that. What I saw was "along with everything else, this also confirms to me....". That's it, so I don't see how anyone can see that sentence, and then jump to some silly conclusion of us simply taking Alki's word as the end all, be all.

ETA I have only gone to the effort so you can see for yourself why some readers say what they say.
 
Pentum said "yet another confirmation". It's right there, "yet another confirmation". That says it all, Pentum wasn't taking Alki David's word as the sole proof of it all, it was simply just another piece of evidence that confirms to him/her that it's a projection of an impersonator.

Despite what Birchey typed in that sentence, it isn't what he meant. His earlier post prior to that one and those afterwards have always alluded to that. Alki's words isn't the definitive "proof" to any of us, it's just simply the last on a long list of evidence that confirms to us that it's not a full CGI.

I still don't see how anyone can incorrectly claim that we're using Alki David's words as the end all, be all, definitive confirmation. Not with everything we've been saying prior to the circulation of that CNN video, AND after. It just tells me that those saying that, haven't been reading through what we've been saying, or simply just picked the pieces they wanted to comment on and glossed over everything else. And to that, I say, if that's indeed what's going on, why even bother commenting, without first looking at earlier posts in regards to this issue in attempt to understand where we're coming from and why we feel this way?
 
I already had proof way before the CNN video was aired, I just want to save it for my video I am making :D
 
Pentum said "yet another confirmation". It's right there, "yet another confirmation". That says it all, Pentum wasn't taking Alki David's word as the sole proof of it all, it was simply just another piece of evidence that confirms to him/her that it's a projection of an impersonator.

Despite what Birchey typed in that sentence, it isn't what he meant. His earlier post prior to that one and those afterwards have always alluded to that. Alki's words isn't the definitive "proof" to any of us, it's just simply the last on a long list of evidence that confirms to us that it's not a full CGI.

I still don't see how anyone can incorrectly claim that we're using Alki David's words as the end all, be all, definitive confirmation. Not with everything we've been saying prior to the circulation of that CNN video, AND after. It just tells me that those saying that, haven't been reading through what we've been saying, or simply just picked the pieces they wanted to comment on and glossed over everything else. And to that, I say, if that's indeed what's going on, why even bother commenting, without first looking at earlier posts in regards to this issue in attempt to understand where we're coming from and why we feel this way?

I really don't want to continue going over and over this, you accused people of not reading the board, I found two examples to show why people have said what they said, maybe we don't all know what Birchey is really thinking! Lol

And I'm not saying that isn't how the illusion was done, it maybe the case.

@Birchey looking forward to you presenting your theory.
 
I never heard once Alki David say in that video, "I don't know what I'm talking about and making assumptions"..

He did blatantly lied in that video claiming that the MJ hologram was done in his studio and everyone knows that's not case. Why that blatant lie is being ignored?

What you posted simply doesn't make "it seem" like anything.

hmm really let's check it

Sunday at 4:52 PM PST Alki's lawyers got an emergency order to examine the device , the show started at 5 PM PST. They examined the projector device for 90 minutes after the show yet it seems like they couldn't determine it's their same patent/technology so they are asking for pictures/ videos of the hologram system when it was playing. Wouldn't you think looking to the projector/screen for 90 minutes would be enough to know if it's their patent / technology especially people here are able to identify what technology used from cell phone videos? I found this quite interesting.

and later on

You tell me what you make of this. To me as I said it seems like their 90 minute inspection didn't provide them what they are looking for hence they are asking for more information. Feel free to disagree. As the case goes on more information will become available. Currently we are given little bits and pieces and we need to connect them.

Not only I used it seems like but rather than making a definitive statement on the subject I asked if the other person would or wouldn't agree with me. As far as I'm concerned it was pretty clear that I wasn't presenting it as a fact and if I was ignorant and acting like I am more correct that others I wouldn't have asked if the people agree with me or not. In the following posts (like you quoted) I did openly state that the information was bits and pieces and needed some connecting. Unlike some people here I don't act like I'm an expert in anything and everything or make many definitive statements (unless I have receipts to back it up). I'm not saying I'm perfect and sometimes what I post might have come across wrong but I make a deliberate effort to be careful about how I state things.

Alki isn't reliable when it comes to Michael's personal life. Yet how does that coincide with us only believing something or someone when it fits our agenda? He has the patent to the tech, he has to know a bit of information about it. He has nothing, no title , no nothing to anything that relates to Michael's personal life. But that really has nothing to do with this specific discussion. It's apples & oranges. And I believe people are really reaching and just looking for a way, however flawed it may be, to say "You're wrong about everything", every time they bring that up about how Alki said whatever about Michael & B Howard. They're two separate issues, neither has to do with one another.

I disagree. So the claim is he's a selective liar, he has selective credibility? Is that it? That doesn't make sense to me. It looks like a double standard to me. For example assume Diane Dimond writes a piece saying that it was an impersonator on the video. Will she suddenly become an acceptable source? Are we gonna say "she doesn't know anything about Michael's personal life but she investigated the hologram issue?" Sorry I don't get it.

Even if we forget the secret son publicity stunt, as I said in the very first part Alki even lied in that video. He said the MJ hologram was done in his studio by Hologram USA (a blatant lie) and then said it was a body double +CGI. So according to you he had a lie and then the truth in the same sentence. I'm sorry but I don't get it. But as I mentioned last night, I have no desire to continue this. Everyone is free to believe Alki as much as they want and I'll keep my biased lawsuit updates to myself. That solves it all.
 
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Can I just point one thing out? Not at any point in this video does Alki say they made the Hologram, I think the CNN reporter is putting 2 and 2 together to make 5.

he says "What you saw at the billbaords, you saw a digital head, connected to an actor, we capture the body........" Not we CaptureD the body, he is explaining the process involved, its in present tense not past. He is explaining the process of how this all works as he is in the industry that does this. The reporter clearly did not do there homework and I think CNN have removed the video now.

We were using his comment of the method of creation, which he did not claim his company did at least vocally in that video, to confirm what we know and what common sense shows us and we are the ones making something out of nothing?
 
So the "millions" spent on a technology that would make you "forget he died" (disgusting thing to say) was really just the 2 PAC thing again. Incredible.
 
I'm not from the "we are agaist the estate" camp.
i like half of the "Michael" album.
I love the "bad25th" deluxe.
i like "xscape" more and more with every day.

but, they seriously doubt our intelligence.

and as i read some of the post , i see why they keep on doing it.

do they think our lives are so borring, so they have to fuel the fire from time to time, so we have something to discuss or argue about?
 
He did blatantly lied in that video claiming that the MJ hologram was done in his studio and everyone knows that's not case. Why that blatant lie is being ignored?



hmm really let's check it



and later on



Not only I used it seems like but rather than making a definitive statement on the subject I asked if the other person would or wouldn't agree with me. As far as I'm concerned it was pretty clear that I wasn't presenting it as a fact and if I was ignorant and acting like I am more correct that others I wouldn't have asked if the people agree with me or not. In the following posts (like you quoted) I did openly state that the information was bits and pieces and needed some connecting. Unlike some people here I don't act like I'm an expert in anything and everything or make many definitive statements (unless I have receipts to back it up). I'm not saying I'm perfect and sometimes what I post might have come across wrong but I make a deliberate effort to be careful about how I state things.



I disagree. So the claim is he's a selective liar, he has selective credibility? Is that it? That doesn't make sense to me. It looks like a double standard to me. For example assume Diane Dimond writes a piece saying that it was an impersonator on the video. Will she suddenly become an acceptable source? Are we gonna say "she doesn't know anything about Michael's personal life but she investigated the hologram issue?" Sorry I don't get it.

Even if we forget the secret son publicity stunt, as I said in the very first part Alki even lied in that video. He said the MJ hologram was done in his studio by Hologram USA (a blatant lie) and then said it was a body double +CGI. So according to you he had a lie and then the truth in the same sentence. I'm sorry but I don't get it. But as I mentioned last night, I have no desire to continue this. Everyone is free to believe Alki as much as they want and I'll keep my biased lawsuit updates to myself. That solves it all.

But it really doesn't make it seem like anything really. Again, you're free to have your opinion, but to exert that those bits and pieces did allude to them finding nothing, it's just a guess. I think they went in, investigated whatever they needed to, and asked the Estate to send a video, just to add on to whatever "proof" (as they may believe) they found. As I've said before. But that too is just a guess by going off those little tidbits of information.

Billboard.com said:
Michael Jackson's virtual performance was one of the highlights of Sunday's Billboard Music Awards, but it actually wasn't a "hologram," as was widely reported. It does, however, presage some exciting news about where the technology is heading.

The imagery of Jackson -- and previously Tupac during his "performance" at Coachella in 2012 -- was actually created with an old magician's trick using a mirror, a 2D effect known as "Pepper's Ghost."

"[While Jackson] was a Pepper's Ghost effect, we are looking at ways to make [these experiences] more realistic and interactive," said USC compsci research professor Paul Debevec.

Yes, try and tell me that wasn't an impersonator. Even the people that broadcasted it are saying it was the same tech.
 
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I'm not from the "we are agaist the estate" camp.
i like half of the "Michael" album.
I love the "bad25th" deluxe.
i like "xscape" more and more with every day.

but, they seriously doubt our intelligence.

and as i read some of the post , i see why they keep on doing it.

do they think our lives are so borring, so they have to fuel the fire from time to time, so we have something to discuss or argue about?

You see how exactly?
 
No more guessing !
Information from producers


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Audiences at Sunday's Billboard Music Awards ceremony were treated to a performance of <culink class="culinks" lang="en" href="http://undefined/en/topic/Slave to the Rhythm" style="border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 1px; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(97, 9, 110) !important;">Slave to the Rhythm</culink> by none other than the late <culink class="culinks" lang="en" href="http://undefined/en/topic/Michael Jackson" style="border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 1px; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(97, 9, 110) !important;">Michael Jackson</culink> himself. Though widely mistaken as a hologram, the performance by Michael Jackson was the result of computer-generated images, live performers and a touch of illusion known as Pepper's ghost. Here's how producers mixed fantasy with reality:


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    PROJECTOR SCREEN
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    VIDEO REFLECTION
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    VIEWING AUDIENCE
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  • 5​
    ENHANCED ILLUSION





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SAN RAFAEL, Calif. &#8212; Michael Jackson came back to life last Sunday on the Billboard Music Awards telecast. And the team that orchestrated his high-tech resurrection is beaming through their fatigue.
"It scared us to death to create an image that had to look, feel and function for four minutes like an entertainer everyone in the world knows," says Frank Patterson, CEO of digital effects firm Pulse Evolution. "You have to see his eyes and moves and believe it was him."


After a week of social and online media speculation about how the effect was pulled off, Florida-based Pulse exclusively invited USA TODAY to its Bay Area studios, located in the former headquarters of George Lucas' Industrial Light & Magic, to explain the details behind Jackson's performance of Slave to the Rhythm, off the late singer's new album, Xscape.

But first, a plea. "It's not a hologram," says Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, sitting in the room where the Jackson effect was crafted with Patterson and visual effects supervisor Stephen Rosenbaum, who worked on Avatar.

So what is it? "An illusion," Patterson says.
Indeed, Pulse refined a 19th-century magician's technique called Pepper's ghost, which Textor &#8212; then leading Oscar-winning graphics company Digital Domain &#8212; also employed to summon the ghost of slain rapper Tupac Shakur at the Coachella music festival in 2012. The effect involves projecting an image on glass or plastic at a 45-degree angle, which brings that image into the viewer's field of view.
But the Jackson illusion was infinitely more complex to pull off. "Tupac had no hair, and just stood there, where Michael had to be all over the place," Patterson says.
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Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, left, and CEO Frank Patterson discuss the creation of the Michael Jackson illusion at the Pulse studio in San Rafael, Calif., on May 21, 2014.(Photo: Martin E. Klimek ,USA TODAY)
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Here's how things went down over eight long months of development.
Pulse first recorded Slave's gilded backdrop and real dancers in staggering 8K resolution (4K TVs are state of the art), using two $50,000 Red Dragon cameras. Next, a computer-generated Jackson circa 1991 (the period chosen by the Jackson estate) was subjected to an arduous animation process that was crucial to its success.
"You have to get across what's called the 'uncanny valley,' which says the closer you get to making a digital human real, the creepier it gets," says Patterson, adding that the illusion still lacked believability two weeks before the awards. "In the end, with all the intricate details in Michael's face and gestures, we feel we got across."
Come showtime, Pulse hung six high-powered projectors overhead and aimed the high-resolution footage of Jackson dancing and singing down at a piece of Mylar.
To the audience assembled at Las Vegas' MGM Grand, it looked as if a life-size Jackson was in front of them. The illusion was cemented by the presence of live dancers (foreground) and band (background).
"When the people who knew Michael best started crying at the show, we knew we'd done something," Textor says. "Then we started crying."


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Pulse Evolution, the digital firm that orchestrated Michael Jackson's "appearance" at the Billboard Music Awards, exclusively invited USA TODAY to its studios for a look at how the illusion was created. USA TODAY



http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...kson-billboard-music-awards-illusion/9437881/

Note: There is a flowchard step by step how they did it on the website.​
 
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bluesky;4011995 said:
No more guessing !
Information from producers


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Audiences at Sunday's Billboard Music Awards ceremony were treated to a performance of <culink class="culinks" lang="en" href="http://undefined/en/topic/Slave to the Rhythm" style="border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 1px; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(97, 9, 110) !important;">Slave to the Rhythm</culink> by none other than the late <culink class="culinks" lang="en" href="http://undefined/en/topic/Michael Jackson" style="border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 1px; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(97, 9, 110) !important;">Michael Jackson</culink> himself. Though widely mistaken as a hologram, the performance by Michael Jackson was the result of computer-generated images, live performers and a touch of illusion known as Pepper's ghost. Here's how producers mixed fantasy with reality:


</section>
  • 1​
    PROJECTOR SCREEN
  • 2​
    VIDEO REFLECTION
  • 3​
    VIEWING AUDIENCE
  • 4​
    ON STAGE
  • 5​
    ENHANCED ILLUSION





</aside>
</section>


SAN RAFAEL, Calif. &#8212; Michael Jackson came back to life last Sunday on the Billboard Music Awards telecast. And the team that orchestrated his high-tech resurrection is beaming through their fatigue.
"It scared us to death to create an image that had to look, feel and function for four minutes like an entertainer everyone in the world knows," says Frank Patterson, CEO of digital effects firm Pulse Evolution. "You have to see his eyes and moves and believe it was him."


After a week of social and online media speculation about how the effect was pulled off, Florida-based Pulse exclusively invited USA TODAY to its Bay Area studios, located in the former headquarters of George Lucas' Industrial Light & Magic, to explain the details behind Jackson's performance of Slave to the Rhythm, off the late singer's new album, Xscape.

But first, a plea. "It's not a hologram," says Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, sitting in the room where the Jackson effect was crafted with Patterson and visual effects supervisor Stephen Rosenbaum, who worked on Avatar.

So what is it? "An illusion," Patterson says.
Indeed, Pulse refined a 19th-century magician's technique called Pepper's ghost, which Textor &#8212; then leading Oscar-winning graphics company Digital Domain &#8212; also employed to summon the ghost of slain rapper Tupac Shakur at the Coachella music festival in 2012. The effect involves projecting an image on glass or plastic at a 45-degree angle, which brings that image into the viewer's field of view.
But the Jackson illusion was infinitely more complex to pull off. "Tupac had no hair, and just stood there, where Michael had to be all over the place," Patterson says.
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Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, left, and CEO Frank Patterson discuss the creation of the Michael Jackson illusion at the Pulse studio in San Rafael, Calif., on May 21, 2014.(Photo: Martin E. Klimek ,USA TODAY)
</aside>

Here's how things went down over eight long months of development.
Pulse first recorded Slave's gilded backdrop and real dancers in staggering 8K resolution (4K TVs are state of the art), using two $50,000 Red Dragon cameras. Next, a computer-generated Jackson circa 1991 (the period chosen by the Jackson estate) was subjected to an arduous animation process that was crucial to its success.
"You have to get across what's called the 'uncanny valley,' which says the closer you get to making a digital human real, the creepier it gets," says Patterson, adding that the illusion still lacked believability two weeks before the awards. "In the end, with all the intricate details in Michael's face and gestures, we feel we got across."
Come showtime, Pulse hung six high-powered projectors overhead and aimed the high-resolution footage of Jackson dancing and singing down at a piece of Mylar.
To the audience assembled at Las Vegas' MGM Grand, it looked as if a life-size Jackson was in front of them. The illusion was cemented by the presence of live dancers (foreground) and band (background).
"When the people who knew Michael best started crying at the show, we knew we'd done something," Textor says. "Then we started crying."


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Pulse Evolution, the digital firm that orchestrated Michael Jackson's "appearance" at the Billboard Music Awards, exclusively invited USA TODAY to its studios for a look at how the illusion was created. USA TODAY



http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...kson-billboard-music-awards-illusion/9437881/

Note: There is a flowchard step by step how they did it on the website.​

Thanks for this^^. I hope no one thought it was a real hologram. I remember mentioning to people in the other thread when this initially came up that the experts said that mostly what we call a hologram is an illusion.

Are people still going to listen to Alki and make videos to show how this was done?
 
Thanks for the above information, really informative. especially the video - http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...95/?AID=10709313&PID=4003003&SID=6tb4y91pmwhm

Apparently Tupac was the easiest person to do.

Another video below. This doesn't show how they did the hologram but shows the dancers etc. You can see Michael Bush at 0:54 - 0:55. So I guess he was involved in the costume after all.


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Here's the picture from the article

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and a screencap from the video

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^^Thanks so much for posting those articles here. I got a laugh from the comment about the eyes. These articles just gives you a glimpse of the intense work that this must have taken place to pull this together. They seem to be people who love their work, do it respectfully, and want to perfect their technology--I am all for that.

Ivy thanks for the video. I wish I could have seen this live. Any news about what they are going to do with the performance? Will they make it a video? Do you know if the estate and BB own it jointly?
 
Thanks for all of that. So, it was digital illustration. That would explain why the holo-Michael moved so well. From what I have seen, even the most advance motion-captive have some jerky movements if it is made on a 3D rig. That would also explain the digital/photoshop effect It was good work for eight months. Stuff like that usually take a year or more.

All and all, I think they just needed more time. I think they should wait a year or more before rolling out holo-Michael again so they can perfect its movements. I also hoped these videos and articles show that making a hologram/illusion is not easy and you can't just do it from your house.
 
^^Thanks so much for posting those articles here. I got a laugh from the comment about the eyes. These articles just gives you a glimpse of the intense work that this must have taken place to pull this together. They seem to be people who love their work, do it respectfully, and want to perfect their technology--I am all for that.

Ivy thanks for the video. I wish I could have seen this live. Any news about what they are going to do with the performance? Will they make it a video? Do you know if the estate and BB own it jointly?

I'd vote for releasing it as a video and then make the show a permanent part of The One. It would be appropriate since the best magic shows are in Vegas.
 
I am glad we finally got some concrete information about how this was created. Very interesting
 
I believe some are confusing the Estate's role regarding Michael. The Estate has no ownership over Michael's legacy as a whole. Michael is the sole owner of his legacy and his ownership of it survived his passing. The Estate can add to his professional legacy with the success/failures of the posthumous products but, not subtract.

The Estate simply has ownership over his image. How the Estate chooses to utilize Michael’s image can damage the reputation Michael spent his life building. How the Estate can damage Michael’s reputation is increasing problematic. They jeopardized his vocal reputation with the Cascio tracks and now they put his reputation for live performances in jeopardy with the spectacle at Billboard. I believe using Michael's image in a performance he never personally did is despicable because there are those that believe they saw a "live" MJ performance because of the manner the Estate promoted the spectacle. (No one should confuse that statement with actually seeing Michael live as everyone understands he passed.)

The danger is evident when a person states, as Last Tear did (please understand Last Tear I am using your comment as an example only), that Michael would be criticized for the performance if he was alive as he was sitting on a throne and the dancing was decidedly out of character. It is an innocent thought however, anyone believing even innocently that Michael would do ANYTHING associated with that horrific performance - the stage, the clothing (not even white socks) the dance moves, (the awful dance break) the pretentious throne, the female at his feet (when did Michael ever have a female in that position in a performance), the song, the lip-syncing, the lighting, I can continue… - is such a disservice to Michael's performance reputation by his Estate that I am left speechless.

As for the USA Today article and YT clip: it is the Estate’s side where CNN showed Akil’s. Nothing more, nothing less. I personally am unconcern with whose technology was used and which party is victorious in the pending lawsuit (provided it is not settled). I admit that while that may be an issue, it is not the issue that holds my concern.

Once the computer framework for a digital Michael was created, Pulse visual effects supervisor Stephen Rosenbaum used videos as well as feedback from Jackson collaborators, including Rich + Tone Talauega, who choreographed the 1996-97 HIStory Tour, and Jamie King, the writer/director behind Jackson's Cirque du Soleil show One.

My frustration is a separate issue which Birchey, WhoIsIt98, and others expressed clearly despite some confusing it and/or unnecessarily pairing it with the separate issue of the Estate/Akil lawsuit. The Estate insists they did not use an impersonator and have continued with this ridiculous notion that Michael’s past movements were used for whatever that was on Billboard’s stage. They will continue with the idea that Michael had some input in whatever that was beyond his STTR vocals.

Anyone who has even the slight clue to Michael’s past movements and reputation as a performer has every right to be suspicious that an impersonator was used simply because they saw the spectacle with their own eyes. A viewer did not have to see the spectacle live to know that was not Michael’s movements. Those who are not aware of Michael’s performance reputation may believe Michael could give a mediocre performance which is disheartening enough. It is even more disheartening when his fans insist it is possible despite being aware of his performance reputation only because his Estate says so.
 
So after quickly reviewing the video about how the performance was made, it seems that there was no body double used, correct?
 
Ivy thanks for the video. I wish I could have seen this live. Any news about what they are going to do with the performance? Will they make it a video? Do you know if the estate and BB own it jointly?

no I don't know any news :(

Thanks for all of that. So, it was digital illustration. That would explain why the holo-Michael moved so well. From what I have seen, even the most advance motion-captive have some jerky movements if it is made on a 3D rig. That would also explain the digital/photoshop effect It was good work for eight months. Stuff like that usually take a year or more.

All and all, I think they just needed more time. I think they should wait a year or more before rolling out holo-Michael again so they can perfect its movements. I also hoped these videos and articles show that making a hologram/illusion is not easy and you can't just do it from your house.

This was really interesting. Now I totally get the comment that it would make Tupac's one look like a 80s game. They themselves explain how Tupac one was easy as he was bald and didn't move much. when compared to Tupac , MJ had a lot of movement and they were very smart about layers - musicians on the back, hologram dancers moving on the sides, front, back of Michael, and real dancers in the front- it gave MJ more depth and made him look more 3D than Tupac. So from that perspective I would say this a whole a lot advanced and better than Tupac.

But I agree that they probably needed more time to perfect it. Now it is obvious that they had a lot of stuff to animate - even just on the face with eyes, hair, mouth - and it probably made it really challenging for them. the comment "illusion still lacked believability two weeks before the awards" demonstrates that to me.

Overall it's a valid effort, definitely could have benefited from more time on it, it could be improved. And perhaps one mistake they did was being way too ambitious and trying to bite more than they can chew. It looks like it could have been better if they choose a more slower / less movement song and even perhaps having it hold a microphone and do not need to animate his mouth.

Oh and Ramona, I don't know if you are reading MaxJax but PG had wrote several days ago that it looked like they styled the look from Black and White and some face movements were referenced from B&W rap section. Given that the articles now state that Virtual MJ was based on 1991 , it makes sense. He also thinks some parts are MJ reference material, some parts are double and some are CGI. I guess it could be the case, a little of everything. That could also explain the "not an impersonator" comment, if it wasn't 100% body double and double was only used to fill in the needed parts.
 
Are people still going to listen to Alki and make videos to show how this was done?

I believe so:D
That illusion and how it is done will be another subject that keeps people talking next 4-5 years, and how the estate fooled fans :giggle:

I'm expecting Damien Shields to start a collection for money so he can write a book about it.

Just kidding:D
 
Would it maybe be possible to get an Q+A with the people from "Pulse" who did the animation?

The interesting thing for me also is: John Textor from Pulse worked at "Digital Domain" before. But the company doesn't exist anymore. This company (or one by the same name, but I believe it is the same) did the visual effects of Ghosts.
Which leads to the question, what happend to the Ghosts stuff (motion capture files), because the company doesn't exist anymore.
 
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MiCkeYBaD;4012084 said:
Nice to see how it was created!!! Still it looks like the face was based off an impersonaters face lol

I just want to say that if you see the "differences" in VMJ face and real MJ face – it doesn’t mean automatically that an impersonator was used …

It could be as well a technical issue. I can guarantee that it was the most difficult task to recreate face

Well, they had to make him sing somehow and if there was someone’s face to help, it is not the same as if an impersonator danced all the performance in some cheap clothes.
 
now we know why the sideglide went to the wrong side.. glad that's cleared up now, i knew it was all done by computers.. it's exactly the same as fifa.. especially with the animation on the face.. i'm sure in the future they can improve.. why not give it another go when they perfect it? especially considering if they used previously performed tracks, they can just choose a one angle shot and create a hologram from there.. but for unreleased song's.. this could indeed be the future
 
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