[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[GreenEyes]

Just days after RadarOnline.com’sexclusive report about new claimsMichael Jackson had anally rapedWade Robson, the former child star and choreographer opened up about the allegations in a heartfelt Facebook post.
As Radar reported, documents filed by Robson’s attorneys in the ongoing molestation case demanded Jackson’s estate admit that the deceased King of Pop introduced a seven-year-old Robson to pornography, forced him to pose “naked, with his knees and palms extended like a dog on all fours,” and even anally raped him.
Referencing Radar’s world exclusive, Robson wrote on Facebook, “This article contains some of the details of my child sexual abuse. It was not the plan for this info to be made public, but now that it has, I am sharing it because it is important for these ‘uncomfortable’ topics to be talked about in society.”
He continued, “One in four girls + 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before they are 18. We must face these facts and learn to prevent them in any way we can. Silence perpetuates abuse.”
That said, Robson revealed that he has experienced a groundswell of support for his case since the disturbing allegations were made public on Radar.
“I am immensely moved by this incredible outpouring of support,” he wrote. “Thank you to family and friends. It means a lot to me. And it means a lot to all survivors. Love +Aloha, Wade.”
But even if his supporters believe his claims, as Radar has reported, Jackson’s estate is vowing to fight the allegations to the finish.
The attorney for the estate, Howard Weitzman, told Radar “There have been no settlement discussions with Mr. Robson, nor do we anticipate any taking place.”
In fact, the estate has asked a judge to reject Robson’s molestation claimagainst the late singer, because he supposedly waited too long to file. For his part, Robson has said he should have been served a notice of the administration of the estate when Jackson died.

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Is it just me, or does he seem to be a bit boastful that this info is out there? Why would he want to comment on his Facebook and bring more attention to specific acts? It's almost like he's bringing more attention to it as bragging rights or something.-_-

 

[GreenEyes]

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I don't know why I read those radaronline comments. They always make me feel worse. Ugh.

I do think that quite a few of those commenters, are actually just a few people with multiple sock puppet accounts. I think that the person who runs MJ Facts has multiple screen names and posts on various news articles using all those identities to make it seem like a lot more haters are out there than there really are.

 

[Petrarose]

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Playing the game, Wade, huh? I so hate his fake ass. Besides his unscrupulous money grab he shamelessly uses and hides behind real abuse victims. He makes me sick. What an vile, evil man.

So it's about prevention? I wonder if he has ever talked to his mother about her role of not preventing it. Because he blames and sues Michael's companies for "turning a blind eye" but never says anything about his mother "turning a blind eye". Which is very telling about what it really is about.

And seeing him preach about the silence that perpetuates abuse is pretty ironic, considering I still have not heard him apologizing to Gavin. He's so shallow and hypocritical.

Also, notice again he is using those "textbook" phrases and statements, talking about the percentage of girls vs boys who are abused. He is still researching on his topic I see, but he still lacks that "I was there" emotion. Notice also, like the first time when he gave a reason for his public statement, he is pretending that he is doing so only because the information came out. It seems to me this is all planned, where they wait for something to leak and then he is told to make some details.

 

[Justthefacts]

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Of course he wanted it out

 

[GreenEyes]

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Of course he wanted it out

I know that someone said that the judge decided to "unseal" this complaint, but someone told me that a plaintiff has the right to request the judge to keep a complaint sealed, in order to protect their privacy. Is that true?

If that's true, it seems that no effort was made to fight the unsealing of the graphic details of this suit. So yes, he wanted it out.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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I can't wait T-Mez tearing apart these newest claims on the King Jordan show. I'm not aware if Safechuck testified with a grand jury as Robson did the first time but I'm sure he will point out JS continued spending time, having contact with Michael for years even after the allege abuses took place and denied for decades something inappropriate ever happened. The only thing I don't like at all, it pisses me off actually, is that Tom himself asked Jordan to give that asshole Mike Parr exposure.

 

[Justthefacts]

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If one thing drives me nuts is no one who claims to love Michael defends him. I mean the estate is handling it in court but where is his family?

 

[Spyce]

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I can't wait T-Mez tearing apart these newest claims on the King Jordan show. I'm not aware if Safechuck testified with a grand jury as Robson did the first time but I'm sure he will point out JS continued spending time, having contact with Michael for years even after the allege abuses took place and denied for decades something inappropriate ever happened. The only thing I don't like at all, it pisses me off actually, is that Tom himself asked Jordan to give that asshole Mike Parr exposure.

I know... but at the same time, I have no doubts Wade will be listening in and this is a GREAT way for Tom to just rip him a new one. At least, that's what I want to happen- just as I'm sure everyone else wants it. I just hope I'm not getting my hopes up and it turns out to be, you know... a civil conversation. What a let-down that would be.

:burstbubble

 

[Ramona122003]

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Because Bret Barnes is very vocal about Michael. I don't believe he is the only one they bother. And I am telling Dimond and Brown are in this mark my words when this blows up we are going to see the same ole gang

From my understanding haters have been harassing anyone connected with Michael and even suggesting that they helped him with his child molestation. It is just sick how Brett keeps being dragged into these sick money scams.

And I also won't be surprise if Diamond, Brown, and some others are helping Wade and Chuck. It seems when it comes to these type of things it is always the same actors. Some have made a career of painting Michael as a pedo and will continue to do so until their own deaths. Really sad and pathetic.

 

[Ramona122003]

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If one thing drives me nuts is no one who claims to love Michael defends him. I mean the estate is handling it in court but where is his family?

Well, in fairness one of T3 came out as a sex abuse victim when Wade made his claim and several other nephews defended Michael on twitter. I think part of the reason why most of the family have not spoke is not to draw more attention to Wade and Chuck. If they comment, it would be on news sites and prolong the story. Since most people don't seem to believe Wade and Chuck, no point dignifying them with a response.

Actually, I can't completely blame them in this instance. Wade and Chuck of practically hanging themselves with how outlandish their claims are. I mean anal rape, taking pictures of them naked, child porn, fake marriage, this is stuff that can and could have been physically proven. yet there was never any child porn, pictures of Wade or Chuck naked, fake marriage certificate, or physical signs that would say Wade was anal rape. I mean, they are their own worst enemy.

 

[mdiegee210]

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For wade robson to be HARASSING Bert Barnes to say he was molested by MJ is news, because BB says MJ never touched him, wade robson tweets to BB should be sent to the estate Lawyers. He is trying to get other people to LIE to give his LIE CREDIBILITY.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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Can Brett Barnes sue Robson, MJ "facts" and co. for defamation and harassment? It'd be nice to see their desperate and pathetic attempts to be backfired at them.

@Spyce, Tom Mesereau is a gentleman but with Mikey Parr present, I don't think it will be a civil conversation.

 

[barbee0715]

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Is sept 4th still the date for the judge to decide to throw BOTH cases out or not??

 

[Petrarose]

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I wonder if Chuck will bring a fake wedding certificate. I hope he knows they can do forensic tests on paper and ink.

 

[Spyce]

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Can Brett Barnes sue Robson, MJ "facts" and co. for defamation and harassment? It'd be nice to see their desperate and pathetic attempts to be backfired at them.

@Spyce, Tom Mesereau is a gentleman but with Mikey Parr present, I don't think it will be a civil conversation.

I know he is... that's why I'm wondering, which side of him will we see come out? I just hope it'll be worth the 2 month wait, that's all I can say.

 

[ivy]

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Is sept 4th still the date for the judge to decide to throw BOTH cases out or not??

It's a hearing. Decisions generally come at a later date and there could be multiple other hearings. and it's just for Safechuck.

 

[HIStory]

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I just find it odd that it always seemed to be either Brett or Mac who becomes the go to kids for Michael's sexual abuse. I can understand Mac since he is famous, but Brett is always thrown in despite him not being well-known outside the fan community. It is because of people like Chuck that poor man is harass all the time on twitter with people telling him he was raped and enjoyed it.

I think the Brett obsession originates from Guiterrez's book. Guiterrez was obsessed with Brett in his book and wrote very disturbing, graphic sexual fantasies about them. Even claiming MJ, Brett and Jordan had threesomes. Jordan never even claimed that. And Gutierrez is the go-to guy regarding child abuse allegations against MJ for a lot of people in the media - and law enforecement used his book too. We know Dimond considered that pedophilia advocating fantasist her "best source"...

And the daughter of Bob Geldof, Peaches Geldof accused Michael of touching her. http://news.oneindia.in/2009/03/12/peaches-geldof-was-stroked-by-michael-jackson.html

I read that article. While there seems to be an insinuation in the story, but stroking someone cannot only be in a sexual way and whispering something to someone's ear cannot only mean whispering inappropriate things. She did not actually claim "he touched me inappropriately and told inappropriate things to me".

ETA: I have found the video where she says it. 1) She is telling it in an attempt to "joke", so she's obviously not making allegations, 2) When she says "he stroked me" she gestures with her hand showing he stroked her face:

Also, notice again he is using those "textbook" phrases and statements, talking about the percentage of girls vs boys who are abused. He is still researching on his topic I see, but he still lacks that "I was there" emotion. Notice also, like the first time when he gave a reason for his public statement, he is pretending that he is doing so only because the information came out. It seems to me this is all planned, where they wait for something to leak and then he is told to make some details.

I do think it's planned. This week it has been just one hit after another: Safechuck's allegations detailed in the media, Robson's graphic sexual claims detailed in the media. It's like they upped their game to pressure the Estate.

I'm not aware if Safechuck testified with a grand jury as Robson did the first time

Safechuck apparently says himself in his lawsuit that he testified for MJ at the Grand Jury in 1994. From People where they quote his lawsuit:

In 1993, Safechuck allegedly testified at the Jordan Chandler childhood sexual abuse trial,

Since there wasn't a trial for the Chandler allegations I think they mean the Grand Jury.

Actually, I can't completely blame them in this instance. Wade and Chuck of practically hanging themselves with how outlandish their claims are. I mean anal rape, taking pictures of them naked, child porn, fake marriage, this is stuff that can and could have been physically proven. yet there was never any child porn, pictures of Wade or Chuck naked, fake marriage certificate, or physical signs that would say Wade was anal rape. I mean, they are their own worst enemy.

Where do they claim he was taking pics of them naked? I missed that info.

 

[LastTear]

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Bob Geldoff has always been supportive of Michael.

Its very telling how knowledgable WR is on the subject and statistics of child abuse. Research much?

Although I really don't want this trial to happen and I believe it should be thrown out especially given how late it is - but I'm starting to worry what will happen if he doesn't get his trial in terms of tv interviews, books etc. Would the estate be able to stop him?

 

[Bubs]

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I don't know. Curiosity. Wanting to know what's going on and be informed. The whole situation is just too much.

You do not get any information from people commenting on Radar, but you will feel your braincells dying after each post/comment you read there. Most of the people commenting on Radar are posting on TMZ too, and they post under multiple names, so it's not like there is many of them. If you see there is 100 bad comments of MJ, it may seem a lot, but there are over 7 billion people in the world, so those opinions means nothing in the big picture.

 

[Bubs]

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Its very telling how knowledgable WR is on the subject and statistics of child abuse. Research much?

Although I really don't want this trial to happen and I believe it should be thrown out especially given how late it is - but I'm starting to worry what will happen if he doesn't get his trial in terms of tv interviews, books etc. Would the estate be able to stop him?

About his knowledge of child abuse. Didn't he (conveniently) start some sort of child abuse helpline or something similar in Hawaii?

No doubt, Wade and the other one will go on media after their case is thrown out, but they can milk it only so much, and media gets bored. CM did his rounds in the media but his latest got no attention at all, except from good ol' CNN.

 

[HIStory]

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Bob Geldoff has always been supportive of Michael.

Its very telling how knowledgable WR is on the subject and statistics of child abuse. Research much?

Although I really don't want this trial to happen and I believe it should be thrown out especially given how late it is - but I'm starting to worry what will happen if he doesn't get his trial in terms of tv interviews, books etc. Would the estate be able to stop him?

Unfortunally there is no really winning against these type of allegations. Even when MJ won in a court, people still ignored what went on in the courtroom and just proceeded to believe whatever twisted and cherry-picked crap the media fed them with or whatever they wanted to believe based on their own prejudices.

I think chances are that it's gonna be thrown out, but I know that's not going to be the end of it. Robson and Safechuck will make their money in other ways then - by media interviews, books etc. Robson is already positioning himself to be this big self-help guru of child abuse victims (I'm so disgusted by that hypocricy), so I fully expect him to pursue a career in that field, building his new identity on this lie. He's gonna be on Oprah, on Diane Sawyer smearing Michael with no regard to his orphaned children.

I think the only way to stop that would be 1) if it went to court and they would be so mercilessly destroyed on the stand that very few people would be left believing them. But that is very difficult to achieve with these type of allegations. I mean the Arvizos were a complete joke and people still believe them (without actually knowing what they believe in when they believe them). 2) I don't like to say this and I do not want the Estate to do it, but a settlement. Because that's the only thing that could prohibit them from talking to the media. Well, that would be the only good side of a settlement.

About his knowledge of child abuse. Didn't he (conveniently) start some sort of child abuse helpline or something similar in Hawaii?

Yes, he did. He is a moderator or whatever it is called of a group where people get together and talk about their traumas from childhood sexual abuse. He's collecting brownie points and ideas...

 

[Mechi]

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Although I really don't want this trial to happen and I believe it should be thrown out especially given how late it is - but I'm starting to worry what will happen if he doesn't get his trial in terms of tv interviews, books etc. Would the estate be able to stop him?

Unless there will be trial and this a**hole will make it however to win what I don't see happening yet... he'll be the loser he is forever.

He can give as many interviews as he wants the facts then will stand written in stone that he did lie (what's a fact already now!) and wasn't able to get a trial with all he tried and/or he lost it, that will always be the thing in the end of the day for him and everybody else... thankfully that can't be talked away then.

 

[Mechi]

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Unfortunally there is no really winning against these type of allegations. Even when MJ won in a court, people still ignored what went on in the courtroom and just proceeded to believe whatever twisted and cherry-picked crap the media fed them with or whatever they wanted to believe based on their own prejudices.

I don't agree with this, although I do generally agree with your point of view somehow but I think it's very important Michael went through this trial and was vindicated.
Sure there will be some still not believing what was prooved in court always, but don't give them more importance than they have in life.
The general public to me seems not as stupid as it's made out in this forum often.
There's a reason why the general public/media seems not too much interested in such allegations of Robson and Safechuck yet... on this side of the atlantic if it's not very cheap and low style tabloid media doesn't report it half that much compared to the Arvizo story.

However I do think that Michael was vindicated completely in court before is very important and makes it harder for Mr. Robson especially the very important detail that and what he said under oath in the interviews and then as witness in the stand.

He will have a very hard time to make ppl believe he would have found back this memory ever when there would not be lots of money in this game.

 

[HIStory]

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I don't agree with this, although I do generally agree with your point of view somehow but I think it's very important Michael went through this trial and was vindicated.
Sure there will be some still not believing what was prooved in court always, but don't give them more importance than they have in life.
The general public to me seems not as stupid as it's made out in this forum often.
There's a reason why the general public/media seems not too much interested in such allegations of Robson and Safechuck yet... on this side of the atlantic if it's not very cheap and low style tabloid media doesn't report it half that much compared to the Arvizo story.

However I do think that Michael was vindicated completely in court before is very important and makes it harder for Mr. Robson especially the very important detail that and what he said under oath in the interviews and then as witness in the stand.

He will have a very hard time to make ppl believe he would have found back this memory ever when there would not be lots of money in this game.

Yes, I agree with you that it's important that MJ was vindicated in a criminal court and it would be great if this case went to court and it would go in his favour again. Certainly that is not meaningless and I don't want to suggest it is.

It's just that people still seem to believe whatever they want to believe despite of what went on in the courtroom.

He can give as many interviews as he wants the facts then will stand written in stone that he did lie (what's a fact already now!) and wasn't able to get a trial with all he tried and/or he lost it,

In case it is getting thrown out on statues (which I find likely now) it will not be because the court says he lied. The court will only say he did not file within statues of limitations and will not say anything about the merit of his allegations. Then he can go on a media tour and say his case got thrown out on a technicality and not because it did not have merit.

 

[Rhilo]

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I am so sickened by all of this I honestly wish the two of them would just drop dead. I am going to have to avoid all news sites and google news, as this has been the top Michael news story all of last week.

I feel so bad for Michael even though he's not here and no one can hurt him anymore. But his poor kids.

 

[Soundmind]

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I think whatever they might make in selling books and interviews would never even be compared to the hundreds of millions they are dreaming of. Wade is already used to living large. Signing a book deal for million or two wont be really much , on the other hand, he lost any potential in the showbiz. I anticipate if he does not win, he will commit suicide in a short span of time. As for the other loser, he will crawl back into obscurity , as he is even less salable than Wade when tabloids are concerned. You can't have a career of being a victim that for sure.

 

[Soundmind]

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But why the judge is doing that ? Does he feel he needs to expose MJ as he wont be able to go against the justice system rules and allow them to go forward with their cases ? I dont know. I cant stand this judge .

 

[LastTear]

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I was wondering if the judge allows this how much of a precedent it would set.

 

[Soundmind]

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it will be overturned by appeal.

 

[LastTear]

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Soundmind, what do you mean?