[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade didn't tweet Brett, it's obsessed haters like RealMJFacts aka Mike Par that harass Brett.

Now that you mention it, I just check Robson's twitter and he hasn't used it since he started lying. That just proves that RealMJFacts b@$@#% is indeed bothering Brett. Well that tears it, because...

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

People who think Michael is guilty will think so no matter what

If this doesn't go to court they'd say ''The estate paid Wade and James hush money''
and if this does go to court and MJ is found innocent they'd say ''The estate bribed to jury''

That may be so but at least if it goes to trial we will have EVIDENCE to support Michael against the hater's claims just like we did with the allegations in 2005. Even if they refuse to believe Michael is innocent we will have evidence and facts to back up what we are saying in our defence of Michael and will be able to point them to the evidence from the trial or from trial transcripts. I have lost count of the amount of times haters have either stopped talking to me "MJFACTS" stopped answering me on one of his videos when I kept providing more and more evidence of Michael's innocence based on trial transcripts from 2005 and court and police evidence from 1993. The more evidence that we have the better capable we will be to defend Michael against these idiots
 
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Can people post the articles on here, with no link - i refuse to give more clicks to these articles in the media, but wd like to know what's being claimed.

Mj and safechuck were detained by store detectives in the late 80s i think, when they were in a jewellry store. Mj was in one of his disguises and acting furtive in case crowds noticed him so the store tecs thought he was a criminal casing the joint. It made the media as a fun story, there's a youtube of it somewhere. Safechuck will prob use it as 'evidence' that they were looking for wedding rings.


If it doesn't get to court it'll be because the claims didn't meet the time limitations. If it goes to court and mj is not found liable, it'll be because he wasn't liable. People who think juries are bribed when they don't agree with verdicts read too much john grisham.

I agree with you about the sites. I don't want to give these websites traffic either
 
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Safechuck claims that Mj showed him videos of children doing sexual things, but child porn was never found in Mj's possession. If there was, make no mistake that MJ would have been arrested in a heart beat as we all know that child pornography is illegal. yet FBI and every investigator imaginable has searched all his homes, computers, videos, etc and found nothing illegal involving children. Wade Robson also claims MJ showed him porn. Safechuck also claims in his documents that he and MJ drank alcohol together. The only time we ever heard of MJ giving children alcohol or showing them pornography is from the Arvizo family, and those claims were proved to be completely bogus by various witnesses as well as the arvizo's lack of credibility and phone records that proved that MJ wasn't even at neverland during the time the acts were supposedly happening. I remember one hilarious moment during the trial where star arvizo claimed that Mj showed him and his brother a certain issue of a playboy magazine, but the date on the magazine revealed that the magazine hadn't even been published when he and his brother were at neverland. So yeah, the verdict was correct. That particular case was nothing more but a scam just like the many other scams this family has pulled. So now that we know the arvizo's claims about drinking alcohol and looking at pornography with MJ were all fabricated, what does that say about Safechuck and Wade's allegations?

Do you know anything more about the phone records showing Michael wasn't even at Neverland at the time? I never know that was the case and would like to know more about it
 
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This really doesn't make any sense. I cannot understand how it has not been thrown out by now. The claim appears to be that michael did unspeakable things to them that they did not know were wrong, how michael said if anyone found out then he would go to prison and they would go to juvenile jail but still they didn't know he had done anything was wrong, then they were asked about him when Jordy made his hateful claims and they did not know anything he had done was wrong and then they were asked to defend him in a court case where he was fighting claims that michael had done the same thing that they now claim he had done to them and still they didn't know that he had done anything wrong. Then following his death when the false claims and court case was brought up again they defended him because the didn't know anything was wrong. But 20 years after the supposed event they suddenly decided that he had done something wrong. And then the wanted justice. Not for the money but to set the story straight, oh but they would like nearly 2 billion dollars compensation, but honestly it's not for the money. And now add to this the fact that, whilst this would be unbelievable from one person, two people are claiming the same thing. That's two adults who have only just realised that sexual assault on a child is wrong. Finally find a none-fan or a hater and read what i have just written and ask them to honestly answer does this really make any sense at all. If it was them would they have behaved the same way, would anyone? And you will be told what you and I already know - That this is not only a transparent lie but the claims insult the intelligence of any right thinking person. That said I devastated that Michaels children have to suffer these claims after the loss of their father. Knowing what happened to Paris this only makes their claim more despicable. They obviously only care about the money. I just pray that Michaels children and mother draw strengh from the love sent by Michaels fans.

This is a very good summary and shows just how ridiculous this whole bull**** actually is
 
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Now that you mention it, this is a very good point and I agree with you. Sure, it is possible it could just be coincidence, but personally I don't think so. It is a pretty genius PR move to do something like this.




I hope this doesn't happen. I do worry about that, but have hope and faith that perhaps they now have friends they can turn to who will support them through this.












Oh lord... :lmao:... every single one of these... :hysterical:
I should not be encouraging this kind of behavior, but you know what- these ignorant twits are just bringing it on themselves. Seriously.




You got it. They are only shooting themselves in the foot now because these claims are so outrageous and so ludicrous... I am having one of those "I can't" moments.

As for the whole "$1.62 billion" that Wade is supposedly requesting- if he really is at all, I haven't been able to find anything official (ie, his lawyer/representative or any court docs) claiming this- but if in the off-chance it is true, he needs to put down the pipe because those are some pretty nasty drugs he's smoking. He's delusional to think he'd ever have a chance at getting that much money. That goes for Safechuck too... both of them are just out of their f***ing minds.

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I had this thought as I was walking to work this morning- I wonder how much of the general public really, truly even cares about these claims anymore? I know there are two groups of people who are very passionate about them- the haters because it gives them fuel for fire, and people like us... Michael's fans... because it gives us something to fight for- Michael. We're fighting for him and his legacy. But what about everyone else in-between? The general populous? What are their thoughts on these claims? I'd be interested in finding out. And not just the most recent ones, but just... in general. How much do people really care any more?

Off topic can I just say I am in LOVE with your signature. Speechless is my favorite song
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know it was before his allegations, but that does not mean it's insignificant. Especially with the things James claims. For example he claims that in 2005 Michael called him and when he did not want to testify for him he got angry and threatened him. And he never told that anyone - even in his family? Because this guy calls MJ a "great person". Apparently until recently MJ was a great person in that family. It's just like with Wade a sudden turn around, coupled with a monetary demand.

Also it seems this cousin accompanied James to NL a couple of times. How come he never noticed anything, James never told anything to him about all those bizarre things like a wedding with MJ? I mean, just like kids talk among each other. How could you keep such an utterly bizarre and ridiculous thing to yourself for all these years and esp. as a kid?

These are good points, especially the one about kids talking about stuff. They will share secrets with other kids because they think they can trust and relate to them. I did that a lot myself (albeit with different circumstances). I wasn't trying to say the Tweet was insignificant; it can be used against him if he suddenly starts talking bad about Michael. But we shouldn't be surprised either if he or other people come out and say "Well, that was before poor little Jimmy said anything, this is now, his cousin didn't know yet, etc." to try and defend him.


Bartucci was a guy who claimed in 2004 that Michael molested him in May 1984. He was 18 at the time (meaning it wasn't the child molestation juiciness people were craving for, but at that point people were probably looking for anything to make him look bad), and used the "repressed memories" excuse as to why he waited so long to come forward. He alleged that Michael kidnapped, raped, tortured, and snorted cocaine off of him over a period of several days. Pretty nasty, extreme shit (kind of like what's happening now). His claims were easily proven as bullshit since he claimed it all happened in New Orleans, but Michael was in California during that time. Knowing the level of intelligence of people though, some probably still believe it anyway. :angry:
 
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I don't think Safechuck is on social media, so that's probably a fake account.

He's got a website though pertaining to his work: http://e8interactive.com/

Here is him: http://e8interactive.com/portfolio/about/



That was a Daily Star article, one of the nastiest and filthiest rags in the UK. I guess their target audience fits into that mentality too, so I would not place much weight on those comments. Even on websites like TMZ (which is tabloid too, just not as low as the Daily Star) I have seen lots of people being sceptical about these allegations. I really don't think they have the kind of public support that they hoped for.


I couldn't help myself. I clicked the link and stuck my finger up at the picture. Yet another person I have been so pissed off at for their lies about Michael that I felt the need to express my anger to their picture. And I don't care how stupid that makes me sound. It felt good :lol:
 
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I can't wait T-Mez tearing apart these newest claims on the King Jordan show. I'm not aware if Safechuck testified with a grand jury as Robson did the first time but I'm sure he will point out JS continued spending time, having contact with Michael for years even after the allege abuses took place and denied for decades something inappropriate ever happened. The only thing I don't like at all, it pisses me off actually, is that Tom himself asked Jordan to give that asshole Mike Parr exposure.

Who's Mike Parr?
 
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I think the Brett obsession originates from Guiterrez's book. Guiterrez was obsessed with Brett in his book and wrote very disturbing, graphic sexual fantasies about them. Even claiming MJ, Brett and Jordan had threesomes. Jordan never even claimed that. And Gutierrez is the go-to guy regarding child abuse allegations against MJ for a lot of people in the media - and law enforecement used his book too. We know Dimond considered that pedophilia advocating fantasist her "best source"...



I read that article. While there seems to be an insinuation in the story, but stroking someone cannot only be in a sexual way and whispering something to someone's ear cannot only mean whispering inappropriate things. She did not actually claim "he touched me inappropriately and told inappropriate things to me".

ETA: I have found the video where she says it. 1) She is telling it in an attempt to "joke", so she's obviously not making allegations, 2) When she says "he stroked me" she gestures with her hand showing he stroked her face:




I do think it's planned. This week it has been just one hit after another: Safechuck's allegations detailed in the media, Robson's graphic sexual claims detailed in the media. It's like they upped their game to pressure the Estate.



Safechuck apparently says himself in his lawsuit that he testified for MJ at the Grand Jury in 1994. From People where they quote his lawsuit:



Since there wasn't a trial for the Chandler allegations I think they mean the Grand Jury.




Where do they claim he was taking pics of them naked? I missed that info.

Thank you for posting this video! It pisses me off so much how these bullshit media sites take things completely out of context and write it so there is innuendo all the way through it and then you see the actual video and it is pretty much the exact opposite :mat:
 
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These are good points, especially the one about kids talking about stuff. They will share secrets with other kids because they think they can trust and relate to them. I did that a lot myself (albeit with different circumstances). I wasn't trying to say the Tweet was insignificant; it can be used against him if he suddenly starts talking bad about Michael. But we shouldn't be surprised either if he or other people come out and say "Well, that was before poor little Jimmy said anything, this is now, his cousin didn't know yet, etc." to try and defend him.



Bartucci was a guy who claimed in 2004 that Michael molested him in May 1984. He was 18 at the time (meaning it wasn't the child molestation juiciness people were craving for, but at that point people were probably looking for anything to make him look bad), and used the "repressed memories" excuse as to why he waited so long to come forward. He alleged that Michael kidnapped, raped, tortured, and snorted cocaine off of him over a period of several days. Pretty nasty, extreme shit (kind of like what's happening now). His claims were easily proven as bullshit since he claimed it all happened in New Orleans, but Michael was in California during that time. Knowing the level of intelligence of people though, some probably still believe it anyway. :angry:

In a way while I am NOT glad that more bullshit allegations against Michael are coming forward I AM glad at how ridiculous and ludicrous these people are in their claims. It is making people think twice about Michael and whether or not they really think he was a pedophile. In my opinion the level of how ridiculous these new allegations are will have people questioning other cases against Michael in the past and whether they are true or not- especially the fence sitters who don't know whether to believe if Michael is a pedophile or not. I have seen a swing in public opinion in Michael's favor since these full allegations were made public. A LOT of people I have seen commenting have been talking about how ridiculous it all is and that all these people have been after has been money. WR and JS are bringing into question everyone else who has ever brought forward allegations against Michael. I have been worried when I have seen a new article about this bullshit posted on Facebook and then been so impressed at the level of common sense people have been showing on the comments section in regards to facts instead of lies and innuendos. People seem to be starting to think for themselves now and it took these new and recent allegations to make that happen. That people weren't just going to believe every single thing that there were told anymore
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Do you know anything more about the phone records showing Michael wasn't even at Neverland at the time? I never know that was the case and would like to know more about it

Go to google and type in "Jackson Prosecution's Timeline Doesn't Jibe". An interesting article will come up. I tried posting the link but it wasn't working.
 
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Go to google and type in "Jackson Prosecution's Timeline Doesn't Jibe". An interesting article will come up. I tried posting the link but it wasn't working.

It doesn't work because the word "J***o" is in the url and this forum automatically blocks that word. But here is the relevant part:

***** Prosecution's Timeline Doesn't Jibe

By Roger Friedman
<time itemprop="datePublished" pubdate="" datetime="2005-05-03T15:26-04:00">Published May 03, 2005</time>FoxNews.com


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Michael Jackson | Janet Arvizo | Brian Oxman
District Attorney's ***** Timeline Doesn't Jibe


Michael Jackson
was not at his Neverland Ranch on March 6, 7 and 8 in 2003, and possibly not on March 9 either.

That was the news that the prosecution inadvertently admitted into evidence yesterday in the Jackson child molestation trial, while it was busy analyzing the phone records of all the case's main players.
And those three days, and also possibly Feb. 20, 2003, continue to narrow the time frame in which the prosecution asserts Jackson committed his crimes.
Thanks to the rather boring review of phone records, we did learn a couple of small things that may have great significance later.
While Jackson was away from Neverland, his teen accuser was at the ranch with his family. The boy, now 15, has said in his grand jury testimony and in court that his molestation took place "toward the end" of his stay at Neverland — on March 12, 2003.
Jackson, as we accidentally learned in court, was staying at the Beverly Hilton for several days at that time under the name "Kenneth Morgan." Phone records introduced by the prosecution show that he was there, calling his assistant Evvy Tavasci night and day.
The phone records from the hotel were entered as evidence by the prosecution. So were the room bills, which show that Jackson was in an $850-a-night suite.
Phone records also indicate Jackson may have been away from Neverland on Feb. 20, 2003. That's the day the district attorney said in his indictment that Jackson began his molestation and conspiracy.
The phone records show that Jackson may have been in Miami on that date, staying at Turnberry Isle Inn, the same place where he stayed earlier that month for $3,700 a night. And you wonder why he has no money.
Since the district attorney placed all of Jackson's indictable actions between Feb. 20 and March 10, 2003, it would seem that his alleged window of opportunity to have molested the boy is getting smaller and smaller.
It's already been established that the family was away from Neverland between Feb. 25 and March 2, 2003. Scratch that week off the schedule. Now cross off those three or four days in late March, plus Feb. 20 and possibly Feb. 21 and 22.

Yes, indeed they had a hard time finding dates in MJ's calendar for this supposed molestation. Acc. to their timeline (well, final timeline, because that too changed) it happened between February 20 and March 12. Make that March 10, because acc. to testimony in court the Arvizos actually left NL for good on March 10.

Like the above article states the Arvizos weren't at NL between February 25 and March 2 - they were at a hotel.

So that leaves February 20-25 and March 2-10 for the supposed molestations.

But then on March 6, 7, 8 and possibly 9 MJ wasn't even at NL. And February 20 and possibly 21, 22 either. So at the end they are left with February 23-25 and March 2-5. But of course even that is BS when you know the story.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So what will happen next people? The judge is not going to look into this too and eventually decide what to do? How things are going now...this could be something that will never stop and we'll get more money hungry people coming with allegations every year or so. Just when you thought it was over after his vindication in 2005.....heh...far...far from over.

It's not even that i am that bothered by this, cause i just know this man was never capable of those things. But the fact that his own children have to see this shit and unfortunetely there will always be those people that say ''Man these allegations just keep appearing. Must be some truth to it then.'' or the usual ''where there's smoke....'' nonsense.
 
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So what will happen next people? The judge is not going to look into this too and eventually decide what to do? How things are going now...this could be something that will never stop and we'll get more money hungry people coming with allegations every year or so. Just when you thought it was over after his vindication in 2005.....heh...far...far from over.

Safechuck's first hearing will be on September 4.

On October 1 there is a hearing regarding the two demurrers filed by the Estate. They ask for the dismissal of MJ and his two companies as defendants.

And in February 2015 there is a decision about whether Robson's creditor's claim is timely or not.
 
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Somebody posted this comment regarding the alarms in MJ's bedroom:

"Robson is piling on the pressure now, but that doesnt make his claims any more realistic or less opportunistic. First, it was already proven in a previous court case that Jackson's ranch ALREADY had those intruder alarms installed when he bought it from its previous owner, so that's one point legally disproved before a case has even started. As for the other claims, well it's just hearsay. one person's word against another person who happens to be dead, so can't provide a defense. How very convenient. The MJ Estate are correct his claims come too late according to the law and should be dismissed by the judge. Legally speaking that's the right thing to do. Wade claims the estate should have issued him a notice of administration, but why would they? They had no idea he was going to be putting his hand out for cash 4 years later. They can't issue notices to everybody in case they want to file a suit later! In any case, this point is ridiculous! Wade KNEW the MJ Estate was running the show because he was employed by them after Jackson died. He was PAID by the MJ Estate!! He took part in tribute performances as a dancer. He contributed to the tribute book the MJ Estate released. He was working with the MJ Estate in the preparations for the Cirque Du Soleil shows. He had enough information who to contact to make his case. He knew them personally! To get around all of these issues he claims he needed two breakdowns with the suggestion that he didn't realise he was abused until much later."


"When was MJ asked about the alarms? He didn't take the stand in the court case that proved that alarms were already present when he bought the property. Of course, Jackson may have updated the alarm system after he bought it, but it doesn't change the fact that alarms to the master bedroom were already installed when he bought it. The fact remains MJ didn't install them with sinister implications. I can't actually remember whether the system had been updated, but i DO remember he didn't install the bedroom alarms. It was an important point in the case because the defence wanted to use those as evidence Jackson was actively seeking to prevent crimes being interrupted. They failed. You discredited your whole argument when you started talking about removing an alarm you don't need because of batteries. Not many celebrities would actively reduce the security at their home, particularly one so isolated as Neverland, where it takes security several minutes to get from the gate, up the mile long drive to the house."
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Stacy B. just wrote an article for the New York Post, talking about the maids who we will speak in WR favour....nothing new really.
Same crap as always ...just dont read it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess people like him want us to forget that Wafe denied what those maids said. I love how they act like 2005 never happened.
 
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Stacy B. just wrote an article for the New York Post, talking about the maids who we will speak in WR favour....nothing new really.
Same crap as always ...just dont read it.

Maids as in plural? We know about Blanca Francia, but if now Adrian McManus will also speak in WR's favour that will be very interesting, since she never claimed seeing anything about WR until now that Robson's allegations emerged and she was again quick to contact tabloids to tell them how she saw WR being molested... But in 2005 she never claimed anything about Robson. So yeah, I want them to use her as a witness. That will only expose their scam.
 
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Maids as in plural? We know about Blanca Francia, but if now Adrian McManus will also speak in WR's favour that will be very interesting, since she never claimed seeing anything about WR until now that Robson's allegations emerged and she was again quick to contact tabloids to tell them how she saw WR being molested... But in 2005 she never claimed anything about Robson. So yeah, I want them to use her as a witness. That will only expose their scam.

Kristina Fournier is mentioned ...." The maids, who worked for ***** between 1986 and 2004, spoke to The Post on the condition of anonymity...":puke:


Jackson's Maid -- He Binged On Drugs
7/14/2009

Michael JacksonOne of Michael Jackson's former housekeepers told law enforcement the singer was often in such bad shape from drugs, his eyes would roll back in his head.

We've obtained documents from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff Department's 1993 investigation into allegations of child molestation. Kristina Fournier told deputies back then ... she saw syringes while she was employed at Neverland. Deputies asked her if she ever saw Jackson inject himself with a hypodermic needle -- she said no.

Fournier told deputies she was aware Jackson was under the influence of drugs and "under a doctor's care." Fournier said she saw doctors "come and go" at Neverland.

And Fournier said, on the subject of Jackson's drug addiction, "I think he had good periods and bad periods, and when he had a bad period, he had a bad period. Then he would get off (referring to drugs) and then it would start again."

Source TMZ 2009
 
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What ticks me off the most about this is that REAL victims suffer from idoits like this. It is clear it is a lie. Seem like James read the Garvin's lie and try to put a spin on it. Also, during these times, MJ was under so much guard and watchful eye of people (the comeback from Thriller). Also, how come two guys who DEFENED JACKSON HAPPEN TO BE guys who both had "repress memory"? Come on now. This is tiresome.

Yes. This mess would be almost funny if it wasn't so serious and disgusting. I think these two men and their camps are saying all this extreme garbage because they're trying to rile people up and they know they don't really have to prove anything they're saying. This whole case is based on their so called "emotional trauma" scenario, in my opinion. That's why they keep saying. "I didn't understand this" and "I was in denial about that". I am sure that if they really had to prove anything on physical evidence instead of only statements (including statements from supposed "experts"), this case would have been thrown out of court a long time ago.
 
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Kristina Fournier is mentioned ...." The maids, who worked for ***** between 1986 and 2004, spoke to The Post on the condition of anonymity...":puke:


Jackson's Maid -- He Binged On Drugs
7/14/2009

Michael JacksonOne of Michael Jackson's former housekeepers told law enforcement the singer was often in such bad shape from drugs, his eyes would roll back in his head.

We've obtained documents from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff Department's 1993 investigation into allegations of child molestation. Kristina Fournier told deputies back then ... she saw syringes while she was employed at Neverland. Deputies asked her if she ever saw Jackson inject himself with a hypodermic needle -- she said no.

Fournier told deputies she was aware Jackson was under the influence of drugs and "under a doctor's care." Fournier said she saw doctors "come and go" at Neverland.

And Fournier said, on the subject of Jackson's drug addiction, "I think he had good periods and bad periods, and when he had a bad period, he had a bad period. Then he would get off (referring to drugs) and then it would start again."

Source TMZ 2009

Isn't Kristina Fournier Kiki Fournier?

Kiki Fournier testified in 2005 and never mentioned anything about Robson. So same as McManus, if she's now going to claim something that will only expose the scam.

In fact, I distinctly remember an interview she gave about Michael to some Swedish religious paper or something after his death and she was all praise of him. I'm going to dig up that article.
 
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I remember her too. Sounds like Stacey is trying to be slick by changing her name. In fact she ended up helping Michael more then anything. If she tries to change her story she will be eaten up as well
 
Here is the article from 2010. She's now Kiki Chambers because of marriage. It's translated from swedish so that's why some of the grammer is off.

When Michael Jackson died in June last year he had for long stopped being a human being of flesh and blood in the world&#8217;s eyes. He had become a timid fantasy creature hiding at his ranch in Neverland and it was seen free to speculate about him and his life.

To meet Kiki Chambers is therefore a wakeup call. She is a woman who has washed his clothes, cleaned his house and watched him play with his children.

&#8220;I don&#8217;t want the world to remember him as a crazy person, because he wasn&#8217;t. I want him to be remembered as a human being who wanted to make the world a better place and as a father, because that&#8217;s the role I saw was most important for him,&#8221; she says.

She, who has watched a superstar from the inside, would also like to witness of how damaging fame and wealth can be.

&#8220;I&#8217;ve seen what price a person has to pay when the world worships you. We are meant to worship God, not His creations,&#8221; she says.

Kiki Chambers now lives in a small town in the west of Sweden. The contrasts are big from warm California and life at Neverland, the ranch which Michael Jackson built when trying to create a lost childhood.

She takes her laptop and shows us clips on Youtube from the inside of Michael Jackson&#8217;s home. She points at the place in the kitchen where there was always candy, the stairs where she once fell. She also points out other celebrities who she met.

&#8221;Elizabeth Taylor was always very nice when she came to visit, others were not,&#8221; she says.

Kiki Chambers worked at Neverland from 1991 to 2003. She got the job as a coincidence.

&#8221;I knew a man at a building company who worked at Neverland. I used to joke around with him, telling him that if they ever needed a maid they should call me. And they actually did.&#8221;

She was one of many maids who worked full time at the ranch. When she was hired, she was told not to look Michael Jackson in the eyes or take initiative to talk to him. Kiki Chamber&#8217;s is a very straight forward and talkative person though, so she had a hard time following the rules. She used to tell him jokes, and one time she thought that she had gone too far, but when others were fired, she was the one who always got to stay.

&#8220;One time he asked me why no one ever spoke to him. I then had to tell him that those were the rules we were given, but he didn&#8217;t understand why, he hadn&#8217;t actually made those rules,&#8221; she says.

She remembers the first years as happy and joyful. Michael Jackson used to love to play with the children who came to visit Neverland.

&#8220;He liked to laugh, he was open and happy,&#8221; she says.

But in 1993 Michael Jackson was accused of sexual molestation towards a boy named Jordan Chandler.

&#8220;After being accused, which I am sure he was not guilty of, it was like he changed. He wasn&#8217;t as happy anymore,&#8221; she says.

As time passed by, Kiki Chambers got a friendly relationship with Michael Jackson.

&#8220;He used to tell me that he could hear my laugh all the way across the house,&#8221; she says.

It sometimes happened that they, late at night, sat down in one of the rooms for longer conversations. He sometimes asked her for advice since there were so many people that wanted to be close to him and use his fame.

&#8220;He asked me if he could trust this person or this person. It was hard, it wasn&#8217;t my place to judge who he should be surrounding himself with,&#8221; she says.

It also started coming more and more doctors to visit Neverland. They gave Michael Jackson different kinds of prescripted medication. Kiki Chambers soon realized that something was very wrong. Michael Jackson could act normal one minute, just to be noticeable high on medication the next.

&#8221;It was hard. I was just a maid, but when was it my responsibility as a human being to do something? What could I do? I prayed to God: Why am I here?&#8221;

Everyone who was working close to Michael Jackson tried to keep this a secret since they knew what kind of scandal this would cause in the media. To Kiki Chambers, it was a hard thing to do.

&#8220;One night, one of my superiors told me that Michael Jackson had been given some medication. But something was very wrong, you could tell just by looking at him, and I got scared. After that, I told my superior that if this ever happens again, I will call 911, I don&#8217;t care what consequences it will give me. Because I knew that I could never live with not to have done anything if he died."

As a Christian she tried to affect Michael Jackson in a positive way. She gave him Christian books and wrote Biblical verses on the board in the kitchen, which he gave her credit for.

&#8221;I want people to know that Michael believed in God, it was no doubt about it,&#8221; she says.

One time, Michael Jackson and his crew went to do some errands down town, where Kiki Chambers&#8217; Christian friend was working at a hotel She then asked Michael Jackson if he wanted to see him and he said yes.

&#8221;We started talking and when we were about to leave, my friend asked me if we could pray together. We all joined hands and he started to speak in tongues. In my mind I said to God: I really hope you know what you&#8217;re doing right now. When we left, a person from the crew asked about what had just happened, what language he was praying in. Michael then explained, completely natural, that my friend had been speaking in tongues, and then told them about what it means when you do that.&#8221;

When World Trade Center in New York was attacked, Michael Jackson got really shaken. He gathered all of the staff outside where they held hands.

&#8221;He asked me to pray to God. I was stunned, but he continued: Pray Kiki, do it. Inside, I prayed to God to help me and, now, I don&#8217;t even remember what I prayed.&#8221;

In the beginning of the years of 2000, Michael Jackson&#8217;s world started to fall more and more apart. Another boy, Gavin Arvizo, accused him of sexual molestation. Kiki Chambers is totally convinced that Michael Jackson is innocent to all the accusations and that the parents were after money.

&#8221;What parents leave their children for weeks and weeks at somebody else&#8217;s house? That was really irresponsible done of them. And the children got spoilt and manipulative. They asked us what it was going to be for dinner and then they demanded something else, just because. They made is work harder and harder and threatened us to get us fired if we didn&#8217;t serve them alcohol,&#8221; she say.

The following circus in the media made Michael Jackson depressed.

&#8221;He wondered why people called him Michael Jackson, that made him really upset and it was painful to him.&#8221;

Kiki Chambers describes Michael Jackson as a very complex person. She means that he was a really good business man, but on the other hand he would literally throw money at his so called friends. He was timid and shy, but could at the same time make big statues of himself.

&#8221;He wanted so badly to love and to be loved,&#8221; she says.

What she considered was most important to him, was his three children. Kiki Chambers says that he was a good father, even though he was struggling with his addiction to painkillers and medication.

&#8220;He loved his children, he sacrificed himself for them. He never had a childhood of his own, therefore it was very important to him how his children were raised. And that&#8217;s why he used to cover them up and never show their faces when they went outside.&#8221;

In 2003, Kiki Chambers left Neverland. The last time she met Michael Jackson was during the trial in 2005 where she was a witness.

&#8221;Michael wondered how it went, and I said it went good. But he then got told that it was not permitted to speak with the witnesses.&#8221;

After that she didn&#8217;t have any contact with him, even though she had friends who were still working in his staff. During that time, she prayed and hoped for him, but in June last year, the call that she feared for, suddenly came.

&#8220;It still hurts so much to talk about and I haven&#8217;t even been able to start grieving. I see his face in the newspapers and I read so many lies about him. I don&#8217;t know how to cope with all the feelings I have, but I pray to God and I know that He&#8217;s got everything in His hands now.&#8221;


http://www.dagen.se/dagen/article.aspx?id=207288 - This original link doesn't work any more but here is a secondary source: http://s1.zetaboards.com/You_Are_Not_Alone/topic/3277868/1/
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I remember her too. Sounds like Stacey is trying to be slick by changing her name. In fact she ended up helping Michael more then anything. If she tries to change her story she will be eaten up as well

I don't believe Brown talked to her. As usual he's making up stuff IMO.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wow what did I just read ??? :doh:
Jesus, this is just unbelievable, this might be the most tabloid-ish article Ive ever read.

edit: Im done reading that crap. Im still shocked by the fact what people can do for money, like these maids. Its outrageous. The timing of this is to sabotage the success of the album.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I couldn't help myself. I clicked the link and stuck my finger up at the picture. Yet another person I have been so pissed off at for their lies about Michael that I felt the need to express my anger to their picture. And I don't care how stupid that makes me sound. It felt good :lol:

Funny! I know we have to be intelligent and fight this with reason, facts & a cool head, but sometimes making a response of a 6-year-old speaks volumes.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Whoever visited that site with the Stacey article should post part of that Kiki article^^ in the comments.

sorry for the double post.
 
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