History could have been better

omg some of this stuff. Like this question: "What did MJ bring to the track, except his name ?" ....how is this question even being asked about ANY track? lol

I'm just sitting here baffled lol Especially when MJ could sing "la la la la la" and bring something more to it. (and he has!) lol
 
"What did MJ bring to the track, except his name ?" ....how is this question even being asked about ANY track?

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In my opinion the album has very strong material, the singles very incredible. TDCAU was huuge and even YANA, judging from the official youtube channel, those two song are doing pretty well view-wise.
My personal favorite off this album is Stranger in Moscow.
"Money" is another one of my favorites. That chorus is insane and special because even though the lyrics are agressive he doesnt sing it agressively. His voice is amazing on this record, somewhat seductive lol.
 
Are you infected with the same disease
Of lust, gluttoney and greed?
Then watch the ones
With the biggest smiles
The idle jabbers...Cuz they're the backstabbers


Some of the best lyrics Michael ever wrote
 
Money isn't boring, it's not his best but it's good enough to deserve it's place on History. If I had to rank the tracks, I guess I'd go....

1. Earth Song
2. TDCAU
3. Smile
4. 2 Bad
5. Little Susie
6. Stranger In Moscow
7. Scream
8. Tabloid Junkie

These Top 8 are all amazing tracks and classic MJ songs, then I agree the second 7 are 'weaker' but still very good.

9. Come Together (probably would be higher if it was full version & we hadn't already had it for years)
10. Money
11. Childhood
12. This Time Around
13. History
14. You Are Not Alone
15. D.S.

Never a huge fan of YANA except for the last 30 seconds with those great ad-libs and don't care much for D.S. it's at least 30 seconds too long. But such a great, great album.

My main gripe is why he/Sony felt it needed the Greatest Hits disc, as if the new material alone wasn't good enough to sell well. It only hurt the album I think as the critics ended up comparing the 2 discs and it also meant the price was bumped up which may have put off casual fans.

Even I had only heard Earth Song alone, I'd still know Michael Jackson was a genius.
 
I think it was said somewhere that MJ was totally against adding the greatest hits part too (for the same reason you just described) it but Sony wanted that to happen so it did.
 
In my opinion HIStory is perfect. But to make commercially even more successful album I would replace some songs and remove some songs to create shorter album:

1. Scream
2. They Don't Care About Us
3. Stranger In Moscow
4. This Time Around
5. Earth Song
6. Money
7. You Are Not Alone
8. On The Line
9. Tabloid Junkie
10. 2 Bad
11. HIStory

In my opinion only weak song on the album is D.S.
Come Together is old song and cover.
Childhood, Little Susie & Smile are just too slow (but beautiful) for commercially successful pop album.
Only song from HIStory sessions that I would add to make a perfect album is On The Line (I'm not counting Dangerous outtakes that were considered for HIStory: BOTDF, Ghosts & Superfly Sister).
If I would include those sessions also then I would add BOTDF & Ghosts for sure. Then it would be:

1. Scream
2. They Don't Care About Us
3. Stranger In Moscow
4. This Time Around
5. Earth Song
6. Ghosts
7. Money
8. Blood On The Dance Floor
9. You Are Not Alone
10. On The Line
11. Tabloid Junkie
12. 2 Bad
13. HIStory
 
In my opinion HIStory is perfect. But to make commercially even more successful album I would replace some songs and remove some songs to create shorter album:

In my opinion only weak song on the album is D.S.
Come Together is old song and cover.
Childhood, Little Susie & Smile are just too slow (but beautiful) for commercially successful pop album.

But that's what I love about Michael & what I wrote in my 'MJ - risk taker' thread, what other artist would put Smile & Little Susie on an album? That's why I think he wasn't all about sales as is often claimed, he was about art & quality.
 
In my list Money would actually be in the Top 5 - I love it that much.
 
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In my list Money would actually be in the Top 5 - I love it that much.

But would you lie for it, die for it? :)

Anyway, this is what I wrote about History a few years ago.

History - review

Every time the world had awaited a Michael Jackson album before it was for one reason and one reason only. The music. Now, everything had changed. On the back end of the ground and record breaking Dangerous Tour in 1993, accusations had come to light. I could embellish and write a full book on these as many have, but this is a music review. Suffice it to say, these were denied, but the matter was settled out of court and Michael Jackson's career would never be the same.

So, what was Michael to do? Go into hiding and retire from the music scene? Continue to make perfect pop, rock and soul but ignore everything that had gone on? Or channel everything that had happened into one creative musical output.

Of course the man chose the latter. The result became HIStory: Past, Present and Future book one. The idea of a Greatest Hits had been floating around for some time, including a possible 'Decade' album in 1990. Now the time was opportune to remind everybody why Michael was the most successful entertainer on the century.

So, HIStory was in 2 discs: HIStory begins. 15 of some of the best tracks of all time (although not my ideal choices, no Who Is It, Will You Be There, PYT) and HIStory continues, 15 brand new tracks. This reviews the latter disc.

Well, if anybody thought that Michael was going to be a shrinking violet about the allegations and not talk about them. HIStory the album blows that out the water. No track more so than the first track and lead single.

Scream was a duet with sister Janet, who had always shied away from duetting with her brother while she defined herself as a major solo artist. Now the time was right for a show of solidarity. Scream tears you apart from the first listen and leaves you stunned. The track is an out-pouring of anger, resentment, frustration and even hate. Yes, they really do say 'Stop f***king with me'. For about 10 seconds in the track you get to take a breather when Janet speaks for us all to say "Oh my God, can't believe what I saw as I turned on the TV this evening, I was disgusted by all the injustice" before the track tears up again. Accompanied by a visually beautiful & stunning video by the superb Mark Romanek, Scream set the HIStory ball rolling but somehow eluded the top spot in both the UK & US. By the way, if there's any ever doubt about the lack of taste of the great British public, remember it was Robson & Jerome who took the number one spot!

As on Dangerous, HIStory is full of tracks that 'only Michael could make'. They Don't Care About Us' is one of them. After the spoken intro, the track demands the attention of the listener with its staccato drum beat that provides the hook through the entire song. Again, the song is about injustice, but this time not just for Michael but for all minorities and anyone who has suffered at the hands of bullies. Jackson spits out the lyrics furiously to the beat. Yet another track to cause controversy, Michael was forced to re-issue the album after accusations of anti-semitism. Writing & producing the song by himself, (should we forget how much of a genius he is). 'They Don't Care…' is possibly the best song on the album, it was a Top 5 hit in the UK as the 4th single.

After the anguish and pain of the first two tracks comes cleansing rain. This leads into possibly Michael's best ballad ever, 'Stranger in Moscow'. From a man who's record includes She's Out Of My Life and Heal The World, that's saying something. Lyrically, Michael's still talking about the last 2 years here but more on a personal level. Such honesty has never been spoken about before 'Feel abandoned in my fame' he sings with such beauty you could cry – as many have. Not too oblivious to how his career has been damaged he goes on to say 'Swift & sudden fall from grace'. Again, the writing of the song is beautifully created as he uses the freedom crushing iron curtain of the Eastern Bloc as a metaphor for his treatment.

Track 4 is 'This Time Around' and yes, we're still writing from experience here. The track could have been called 'No More Mr Nice Guy' as Michael tells you he ain't taking no sh*t anymore. Not the best of Michael's tracks by any means, and it's maybe the first time in 4 albums where you think, actually this could be a B side.

It doesn't matter though because then, here it comes. A track so beautiful and meaningful that I am literally welling up writing this now. 'Earth Song' has to go on my 'only Michael could make this' list because it is the audible work of genius. If Michael Jackson had only made this track in his recording career he would still have been remembered. It's the first track on HIStory to be dealing with a subject other than the allegations, the one closest to Michael's heart – nature, suffering, healing. The 'ooh, aah' chorus mystifies the listener at first, but then it all comes together as the song climaxes and crescendos into a hurricane of gospel and brass. With a video to match the passion of the song, 'Earth Song' became Michael's biggest selling single ever in the UK as it secured the much coveted Christmas Number One spot during a six week reign in 1995

But back to business, there was one man who made the allegations against Michael personal – now it's payback time. 'D.S.' is about one man (should I say who for fear of slander? I don't need to) and Michael gives it to him both barrels, quite literally if the final note of the song is the gunshot many believe it to be. D.S. is the album's obligatory rock track, and for me it disappoints – but only in comparison to it's preceding brothers - as it's no Give In To Me. It is still a good song and it's nice to see Slash make a return appearance. Again, the personal & honest nature of the lyric stuns, "They wanna get my ass, dead or alive" – he's under no illusions that some people hate him.

So what were the allegations all about? – in one word on track 7, Michael answers them – 'Money'. You'd do anything for it. Of course they would, that's why they accepted the settlement. Sorry, off at a tangent again. Similar in style and lyrics to Backstabbers by the O'Jays, Money lambastes the whole system of greed and the 'sue me' culture that has taken over the world.

Track 8 is a mystery to the fanbase. The boomerang of Michael Jackson's catalogue. 'Come Together' first appeared in the 1988 film Moonwalker, surfaced again as a B-side to Remember The Time and Hello! Here it is again as a shortened version. There's no doubt that Jackson's version of the Beatles classic is amazing and surpasses the original but why is it here? To balance up the 2 discs into 15 tracks? Possibly, but it's a good chance for those who hadn't got the track to hear it.

Another Michael classic follows, the R Kelly penned 'You Are Not Alone' having the unique distinction of being the first ever song to debut at #1 in the US. The second single from HIStory, it couldn't have been any different that it's predecessor. A heartfelt, old fashioned love song that, like a lot of Jackson tracks, comes into it's own in the last 2 minutes where Michael's vocals soar alongside the lush instrumental.

The balladeering continues on 'Childhood'. Michael had been revealing snippets about his painful childhood on the Oprah Winfrey interview and the subsequent Grammys where he won the prestige Legend award. He channels that into his songwriting on this sweet, autobiographical number where he laments on his lost youth. If Michael Jackson has an epitaph, it should be 'Before you judge me, try hard to love me'. The song was a double A side with Scream and became the theme to 'Free Willy 2'.

Following 'Leave Me Alone' on Bad, comes another attack on the press, this time with more reason to. 'Tabloid Junkie' starts with a concoction of different false news reports Jackson has endured before the tune blasts out. If the verses are hard to make out, then the chorus leaves you in no doubt as to the song's message. We, the public, are also pleaded with to do our part, "You don't have to read it … To buy it is to feed it". It's a funky, danceable number and the auditory sensitive ones can make out Michael's beatboxing skills in the songs arrangement.

Next is a lost classic, '2 Bad' is a breathtaking hip-hop/dance hybrid that should have been a single. The song was to re-appear on the excellent Ghosts short film later on with an equally exceptional dance routine. With a cameo rap by Shaquille O'Neal, the song is another swipe at haters and an ode to his inner strength. 'I'm right back where I wanna be – I'm standing though you're kicking me!' The production on here is perfect with beats that unconsciously make you move. An extremely contempory song, that could easily hit the top spot 12 years later if released.

Title track 'HIStory' is next, and for those that only heard the remix that was issued as a single, I implore you to visit the original. Not just a song but a trip through history as samples of the groundbreaking geniuses of our time are played through a two minute introduction (one of which of course is a young Michael!). The song itself is homage to self-belief, to not let anyone tell you you're not good enough. Boyz II Men join Michael for the chorus as the song builds up. Subsequent analysis of the lyrics may give you the idea that Michael is talking to himself in the song, "Don't let no-one drag you down" and "Keep flying 'til you are the king of the hill".

Next comes a stunner, the sounds of a young girl opening a music box and singing along to the tune fill two minutes before the powerful chords of 'Sunrise Sunset' come in. You have been introduced to 'Little Susie'. Take a trip down her life as you hear a song different to anything Michael has done before. It is an ode to a girl killed by neglect. Hauntingly beautiful, lyrically & vocally, the song stands out as a masterclass in songwriting. I've spoken about Michael's diversity before but quite how an album can have songs as dissimilar as They Don't Care About Us, Earth Song and Little Susie on it make me shake my head in wonder.

For an adult solo career that was now pushing 25 years, Michael Jackson had not previously released a cover version, but HIStory had two, the aforementioned and well known Come Together and this less recognised 'Smile' originally by one of Michael's heroes Charlie Chaplin. Michael's version is inspirational, magnificent and awe-inspiring. Vocally, he's never sounded as good and the arrangement is perfect. The song is bittersweet when it's listened to in the context of the album. An inspired choice of album closer as the listener was starting to think that Michael was full of rage and hatred for his treatment, he then tells you that 'life is still worthwhile'. The paradox is obvious when the album is listened in its entirety, the first sound you hear is Michael screaming, the last is him laughing - and it's beautiful to hear.

So there you have it, another monster of an album at 15 tracks. Success wise, it can only be called a failure when compared to Thriller, but at 15 million copies and making it as the best selling double album ever, most artists would kill for such a disappointment!

HIStory won't be remembered as Michael's best work by most, maybe as it's the first to have what could be called filler tracks, but it also has a lot of his best output. Personally, I believe that Michael came into his own as a songwriter in the 1990's, and HIStory backs this up.

People may complain that Michael doesn't do enough interviews, but if you listen to HIStory, all the answers are in there. For the first time in a long time Michael had something to say, critics to answer back to, press to bash and accusations to respond to. He did all that with dignity, pride and eloquence while still remembering to do what he does best - make immense timeless music for us all to lose ourselves in.
 
But that's what I love about Michael & what I wrote in my 'MJ - risk taker' thread, what other artist would put Smile & Little Susie on an album? That's why I think he wasn't all about sales as is often claimed, he was about art & quality.

Of course. I absolutely agree. He was the bravest. That's why I said: "In my opinion HIStory is perfect. But to make commercially even more successful album".
 
HIStory is beautiful the way it is.. it is extremely descriptive, raw.. and musically mastered..
 
I love the HIStory album. But I too think that it would have been a stronger album overall had the track list been a little different. I think HIStory would have been much stronger had it been:

Scream
They Don't Care About Us
Stranger in Moscow
Morphine
Is It Scary
Ghosts
2 Bad
This Time Around
D.S.
Blood on the Dance Floor
You Are Not Alone
Earth Song
Childhood
Little Susie
Smile
HIStory

This to me (my opinion don't freak out on me) makes a much better cohesive album. The album opens with the first 2 tracks "Scream" and "TDCAU" with a sense of anger, and lashing out, standing up for what is right. Which leads to the beautiful "Stranger in Moscow" where MJ reveals his soul, with themes of sadness, and isolation. Leading into "Morphine" , which I think is one of MJ's greatest and most honest songs. From there the album leads into "Is It Scary", "Ghosts", and "2 Bad" taking you on a dark adventure with anxiety filled tracks, with a sense of Edgar Allen Poe like story telling. From "2 Bad" the album goes into 2 more upbeat tracks "This Time Around" and "Blood on The Dance Floor" The album then goes into the beautiful ballad "You Are Not Alone." As the album comes to a close, the tracks "Earth Song", "Childhood", "Little Susie", and "Smile" show MJ's heart and his soul. Ending the album with the track HIStory, a triumph and heroic type end to a masterpiece album.




Releasing "Scream", "TDCAU", "Stranger In Moscow","BOTDF", "Childhood", and "Earth Song" Short Films. As well as releasing the FANTASTIC "Ghost's" short film.


And i SOOOOO wish that HBO One Night Only Special had happened.
 
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Listen "money don't matter tonight" by Prince. THIS is Masterpiece.

Listen "Money" by MJ. It's poor. The track does never take off... Boring. No surprise that it was never released and never on scene during the History Tour. Simply bad. Even "DS" is better.
 
Listen "money don't matter tonight" by Prince. THIS is Masterpiece.

Listen "Money" by MJ. It's poor. The track does never take off... Boring. No surprise that it was never released and never on scene during the History Tour. Simply bad. Even "DS" is better.

In your opinion.
 
Listen "money don't matter tonight" by Prince. THIS is Masterpiece.

Listen "Money" by MJ. It's poor. The track does never take off... Boring. No surprise that it was never released and never on scene during the History Tour. Simply bad. Even "DS" is better.

''Anything for money..'' it is a very exposing song, and is a personal moment from Michael's life.. being taken for granted by people with greed.. it's got a very striking groove, and the lyrics of the song mean a lot more when you delve deep into all the layers.
 
Honestly, Money is one of the worst tracks Michael's ever done. Michael was a hell of a singer...but his attempt at rapping was a total bomb job. Between that song, DS and Tabloid Junkie (my other least favorites), I skip Money the most.
 
Listen "money don't matter tonight" by Prince. THIS is Masterpiece.

Listen "Money" by MJ. It's poor. The track does never take off... Boring. No surprise that it was never released and never on scene during the History Tour. Simply bad. Even "DS" is better.

Are you deliberately so argumentative on this board?

It's one thing to have an opinion but the way you express it is another. It almost as if you are trying to troll.

I don't even know how Money Don't Matter 2nite came up in this conversation because other than both songs having the word "money" in their title they are apples and oranges. Two totally different themes, totally different songs, totally different contexts and totally different music. You are throwing in completely superficial arguments all the time. Now comparing songs based on both having the same word in their title. If we are going to play this game why didn't you mention Money by Pink Floyd? Now, that is a masterpiece much more so than Money Don't Matter 2Nite... But these comparations are stupid anyway.

And I disagree that Money is worse than DS. Money is a great song, while DS is probably the worst on HIStory and one of the worst in Michael's entire catalog.
 
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Scream
They Don't Care About Us
Stranger in Moscow
Morphine
Is It Scary
Ghosts
2 Bad
This Time Around
D.S.
Blood on the Dance Floor
You Are Not Alone
Earth Song
Childhood
Little Susie
Smile
HIStory

I made an "Alternative HIStory" on Spotify a couple of days ago and the first four songs are the same. I'd include Is It Scary, but not Ghosts as they are lyrically too similar. I like Blood on the Dance Floor but to me that song does not fit HIStory and instead of adding to a cohesiveness it would only take away from it IMO. Instead I cheated a bit and I took Threatened from Invincible. So my "Alternative HIStory" playlist looks like this:

1. Scream
2. They Don't Care About Us
3. Stranger in Moscow
4. Morphine
5. Earth Song
6. Money
7. You Are Not Alone
8. Childhood
9. Tabloid Junkie
10. Is It Scary
11. Threatened
12. 2 Bad
13. History
14. Little Susie
15. Smile

I left off DS (by far the weakest song on the album IMO), This Time Around (I never liked it) and Come Together. I did not attempt to make the album more "poppy" and more accessible to a radio/pop audience. HIStory is not that album that will ever do that. I rather looked at what would fit with the album's overall mood and themes. To me it has an artistic significance that the album starts with a Scream and ends with a Smile, so I did not touch that order either.

Anyway, that sequence of Scream-TDCAU-SIM-Morphine is really awesome. Morphine should have been on HIStory definitely!
 
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I don´t remember if it was Bruce Swedien or someone else who wrote about HIStory session that Michael changed songs often -not all songs just a few and the order in which they would be.
It would be interesting to know more about it.
I wonder what other songs Michael were thinking of.
I´m satisfied with the album but I want to know more about the procedure.

Maybe if there will be an anniversary album for HIStory they can make a dvd with people Michael worked with then.
 
I always liked D.S.! From the baby crying at the beginning to the gun shot at the end. Always thought it was a bad ass song!

They wanna get my ass
dead or alive...
 
I always liked D.S.! From the baby crying at the beginning to the gun shot at the end. Always thought it was a bad ass song!

They wanna get my ass
dead or alive...
Wasn't D.S. Michael's hidden way of verbally smacking Tom Sneddon and everyone around?
 
It wasn't that hidden. I think he actually did sing Tom Sneddon instead of Dom Sheldon... LOL.

you can make Dom Sheldon sound like Tom Sneddon, it's not that difficult! his voice in that song is great.. but it has a too focused theme at times.. instrumental is great though.
 
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