History could have been better

[Dunk96]

It wasn't that hidden. I think he actually did sing Tom Sneddon instead of Dom Sheldon... LOL.

I've always read in the lyrics book that it was Dom Seldom.

 

[HIStory]

I've always read in the lyrics book that it was Dom Seldom.

Yes, but I think he actually sings Tom Sneddon. I think in the booklet it's D.S. for legal reasons. But the song's original title was T.S.

 

[loka]

I always liked D.S.! From the baby crying at the beginning to the gun shot at the end. Always thought it was a bad ass song!

They wanna get my ass
dead or alive...

I always liked DS too... Better than Money, Thirs Time Around, Come Together and 2BAD imo...

 

[loka]

Are you deliberately so argumentative on this board?

It's one thing to have an opinion but the way you express it is another. It almost as if you are trying to troll.

I don't even know how Money Don't Matter 2nite came up in this conversation because other than both songs having the word "money" in their title they are apples and oranges. Two totally different themes, totally different songs, totally different contexts and totally different music.

Money Don't Matter 2 Night lyrics

One more card and it's twenty two
Unlucky for him again
He never had respect for money it's true
That's why he never wins
That's why he never ever has enough
To treat his lady right
He just pushes her away in a huff
And says 'Money don't matter to night'

Money don't matter to night
It sure didn't matter yesterday
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright
'Cause money didn't matter yesterday,
And it sure don't matter to night

Look, here's a cool investment
They're tellin' him he just can't lose
So he goes off and tries to find a partner
But all he finds are users (users)
All he finds are snakes in ever color
Every nationality and size
Seems like the only thing he can do
Is just roll his eyes, and say that

Money don't matter to night (don't matter)
It sure didn't matter yesterday
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright (soul's alright)
'Cause money didn't matter yesterday, (don't matter)
And it sure don't matter to night

(ooh-wee-ooh, don't matter)
(it don't matter to night, no)

Hey now, maybe we can find a good reason
To send a child off to war
So what if we're controllin' all the oil,
Is it worth a child dying for? (is it worth it?)
If long life is what we all live for
Then long life will come to pass
Anything is better than the picture of the child
In a cloud of gas
And you think you got it bad

Money don't matter to night (no, don't matter)
It sure didn't matter yesterday (yesterday)
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away (flies away, flies away)
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright (make certain that your soul's alright)
'Cause money didn't matter yesterday,
It sure don't matter to night

Money don't matter to night
It sure didn't matter yesterday (yesterday, yesterday)
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away (flies away, flies away)
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright
Money didn't matter yesterday,
And it sure don't matter to night

watch it there :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF75z2vFcXM&list=PL3A08FF539432DA59

 

[HIStory]

Money Don't Matter 2 Night lyrics

One more card and it's twenty two
Unlucky for him again
He never had respect for money it's true
That's why he never wins
That's why he never ever has enough
To treat his lady right
He just pushes her away in a huff
And says 'Money don't matter to night'

Money don't matter to night
It sure didn't matter yesterday
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright
'Cause money didn't matter yesterday,
And it sure don't matter to night

Look, here's a cool investment
They're tellin' him he just can't lose
So he goes off and tries to find a partner
But all he finds are users (users)
All he finds are snakes in ever color
Every nationality and size
Seems like the only thing he can do
Is just roll his eyes, and say that

Money don't matter to night (don't matter)
It sure didn't matter yesterday
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright (soul's alright)
'Cause money didn't matter yesterday, (don't matter)
And it sure don't matter to night

(ooh-wee-ooh, don't matter)
(it don't matter to night, no)

Hey now, maybe we can find a good reason
To send a child off to war
So what if we're controllin' all the oil,
Is it worth a child dying for? (is it worth it?)
If long life is what we all live for
Then long life will come to pass
Anything is better than the picture of the child
In a cloud of gas
And you think you got it bad

Money don't matter to night (no, don't matter)
It sure didn't matter yesterday (yesterday)
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away (flies away, flies away)
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright (make certain that your soul's alright)
'Cause money didn't matter yesterday,
It sure don't matter to night

Money don't matter to night
It sure didn't matter yesterday (yesterday, yesterday)
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away (flies away, flies away)
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright
Money didn't matter yesterday,
And it sure don't matter to night

watch it there :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF75z2vFcXM&list=PL3A08FF539432DA59

And what's your point? You are just confirming what I said about totally different theme, totally different subject.

FYI, I know Prince's music. I also have the Diamonds and Pearls album that contains this song. You act like you are the only one to know other music than MJ's on this board. LOL.

 

[OnirMJ]

Listen "money don't matter tonight" by Prince. THIS is Masterpiece.

Listen "Money" by MJ. It's poor. The track does never take off... Boring. No surprise that it was never released and never on scene during the History Tour. Simply bad. Even "DS" is better.

Go listen to Prince "mastershit" then and go to his forum. Money by MJ IS masterpiece. One of his greatest and most underrated songs.

 

[OnirMJ]

Honestly, Money is one of the worst tracks Michael's ever done.

Just your opinion. Nothing more.

 

[OnirMJ]

Money, This Time Around and 2Bad are some of the best MJ songs he ever recorded. Definitely standouts on HIStory. 2Bad could easily be one of his greatest songs if he cut out that horrible Shaquille O'Neal rap or replaced it with a rap from professional rapper like Biggie.

 

[J5master]

Listen "money don't matter tonight" by Prince. THIS is Masterpiece.

Listen "Money" by MJ. It's poor. The track does never take off... Boring. No surprise that it was never released and never on scene during the History Tour. Simply bad. Even "DS" is better.

Wow. I'm on my phone so unfortunately I cannot give an in depth analysis about why you (in my opinion) are so incredibly wrong about Money. And comparing it to a prince track that YOU happen to like better does nothing for your argument. Two different artists, different visions, different intent, different sounds.

I mean wow. I agree with a previous poster - if you want to say prince is better than MJ you probably should go to a prince board where they'll agree with you lol

Also there are some MJ songs that I don't like of course- everyone has their least favorites. But I just can't fathom saying any of them were as terrible as the dirt beneath my shoe as some people in this thread are acting in tone. How can a song like D.S have no value whatsoever when MJ had the guts to speak his mind and call out major issues in the justice system while doing it? If anything that alone gives it value and praise. I get that it may not register to non-MJ fans but I really don't care and I'm 100% sure MJ didn't care either. MJ did not limit himself to being just a mainstream artist- he's simply an artist.

And despite the narrow theme, it has very interesting down-home blues elements that makes it unique and interesting. And any of my non-fav MJ tracks I can probably allot the same amount of credit- in that just because it's not my cup of tea doesn't mean it's the worst song ever or even the worst song MJ has ever done- cuz it's all about perspective.

 

[loka]

some of you are unable to listen or to read any critics towards Mj's Work.

I would say finally that if History was all that good, why did they stop the promo ?

Why did they release Blood on the dancefloor instead ?

Why singles from History flopped so hard in USA after YANA ?

The beginning of the end of MJ's career was with History.

Invincible really brought a sound and some fresh ideas but it was too late to save his career.

 

[OnirMJ]

If I was a mod here I would ban you for saying such hateful things. Just saying.

"if History was all that good"
"why did they stop the promo"
"Why singles from History flopped so hard in USA"
"The beginning of the end of MJ's career"
"it was too late to save his career"

Are you even a fan?? Go learn MJ!

 

[SoCav]

If I was a mod here I would ban you for saying such hateful things. Just saying.

"if History was all that good"
"why did they stop the promo"
"Why singles from History flopped so hard in USA"
"The beginning of the end of MJ's career"
"it was too late to save his career"

Are you even a fan?? Go learn MJ!

Thank god you are not a mod then. It's just an opinion man.

I do disagree entirely with loka though.

 

[OnirMJ]

They never stopped the promo! They stopped the promo in late 1997/early 1998 (releases of Smile, Is It Scary singles & On The Line single) - not a big deal.
Blood on the Dance Floor: HIStory in the Mix is the full title of the Blood on the Dance Floor album/EP - HIStory in the Mix - it was part of HIStory promotion! The album is made up of eight remixes from HIStory!
Singles "flopped" in USA because Michael refused to tour there because of the obvious reasons, Earth song was not released there AT ALL so there was a big gap between YANA and TDCAU. Then radio stations refused to play TDCAU because of ridiculous anti semitic accusations - that's why they "flopped". Stranger in Moscow was released November 4, 1996 but almost a year later in USA August 28, 1997! BOTDF was not promoted AT ALL in USA and it peaked at #42! HIStory and Ghosts were not released AT ALL in USA!
In all other countries all singles were smash hits, #1 or Top 10 hits. MJ is not USA only artist, he is worldwide artist!

"The beginning of the end of MJ's career"
"it was too late to save his career"

Invincible - #1 album worldwide, 13 MIL copies sold
30th anniversary celebration concerts - sold out in US!!!
Number Ones - #1 album worldwide except for USA, more than 10 MIL copies sold
This Is It??? 50 sold out concerts in 1 city in less than 4 hours!

Yeah his career ended with HIStory!

 

[speeddemon88]

This is why i never write what "I dont like" because music is so subjective, one may like this or that song but the other doesnt necessarily have to. lets keep it positive ?

May I ask why some of the singles were not released in USA? is that just how the label works or was there any other reason?

 

[wednesday]

Why singles from History flopped so hard in USA after YANA ?

Very good question. It has always puzzled me why the US did not seem to embrace Michael the artist the way Europe did then. But I guess one of the reasons was promotion. You had MTV pull the short film for They Don't Care About Us because of claims of anti-semitism, when the song very obviously promoted the exact opposite. This stunt was a very blatant attempt to put Michael down and imo just proves how much Michael was hated and feared. I'll just never get over how Michael was treated

 

[J5master]

Lol man how could poor MJ live with himself with an album like history! He must have known what a FLOP 25million albums sold would be! Plus a sold out world tour? Such a failure for such a CRAP album that pretty much defined the 90s! Omg! It was the beginning of the end!

Also - sarcasm aside - I thought YANA did well in the USA. That was the only song from history (and "scream") that I heard in heavy rotation back then.

Also...Theres a difference between expressing an opinion and trolling. I think it got into troll territory when prince was brought into it for some reason (I mean really?)

 

[loka]

Very good question. It has always puzzled me why the US did not seem to embrace Michael the artist the way Europe did then. But I guess one of the reasons was promotion. You had MTV pull the short film for They Don't Care About Us because of claims of anti-semitism, when the song very obviously promoted the exact opposite. This stunt was a very blatant attempt to put Michael down and imo just proves how much Michael was hated and feared. I'll just never get over how Michael was treated

after YANA, all the singles have flopped.

Michael's music was not targeted to the Americain Audience at all. Very RN'b at this period. But Tracks like Money, 2BAD, DS, or Tabloid Junkie were absolutely not Radio Friendly at all. Some of them were even weak for a normal Audience.

Surprisingly Blood also flopped here.

That's why he took the Road to Invincible.

 

[J5master]

Mj's so called flops were bigger than today's biggest artists' successes so why are we calling any of mj's albums flops? They simply weren't. Just by fact of numbers. Just because they weren't 100% mainstream to all countries doesn't mean it was not successful. MJ was working on a classical album before his death and more likely than not - it would not have been successful in the mainstream. Does that make it bad? Does that make it a terrible endeavor and not worth doing? No. Cuz MJ was an artist. Not just one type of artist.

And no the so called flop of history/botdf was not why MJ went in the direction he did with invincible in fact I haven't heard a single peep from MJ or anyone around MJ about him being at all disappointed with the success of history. In fact I'm pretty sure he was happy with it.

 

[jtabbott8]

Mj's so called flops were bigger than today's biggest artists' successes so why are we calling any of mj's albums flops? They simply weren't. Just by fact of numbers. Just because they weren't 100% mainstream to all countries doesn't mean it was not successful. MJ was working on a classical album before his death and more likely than not - it would not have been successful in the mainstream. Does that make it bad? Does that make it a terrible endeavor and not worth doing? No. Cuz MJ was an artist. Not just one type of artist.

And no the so called flop of history/botdf was not why MJ went in the direction he did with invincible in fact I haven't heard a single peep from MJ or anyone around MJ about him being at all disappointed with the success of history. In fact I'm pretty sure he was happy with it.

Me personally, I wasn't saying HIStory flopped.. At all.. All I was saying is that (in my own opinio bc of personal tastes) I think HIStory could have been a stronger (not more commercial, i'm strictly speaking about content) had the track list been a little different. I wouldn't say tracks like "Money", "Tabloid Junkie", or "Come Together" are bad tracks at all. I actually enjoy all of them. But if those three tracks had been replaced with "Morphine", "Is It Scary", and "Blood On The Dance Floor (the refugee camp mix MJ used for the video), I feel that the album as a whole would have been stronger (not more "commercial")

 

[J5master]

I was mostly talking to Ioka, sorry I understand everyone has their opinions about what would make the album stronger and that's cool. My issue is really with this notion that MJ failed with any of his efforts just because he personally didn't like it, which is what Ioka is trying to say.

I personally of course think the album is strong the way it is because it is the type of album MJ wanted to put out at the time and there is a reason why I am a fan of him and the way he did things. Not saying he was musically perfect, but... He was damn near close IMO lol push come to shove if some songs that did make the album didn't - and they were released later, lots of folks would be like "damn why didn't MJ put 2Bad or tabloid junkie on the album?" We all want what isn't and the grass is always greener on the other side. I choose to appreciate what is as it is - but again that's just my perspective.

 

[HIStory]

some of you are unable to listen or to read any critics towards Mj's Work.

I would say finally that if History was all that good, why did they stop the promo ?
Why did they release Blood on the dancefloor instead ?

Why singles from History flopped so hard in USA after YANA ?

The beginning of the end of MJ's career was with History.

Invincible really brought a sound and some fresh ideas but it was too late to save his career.

So to you only hit music is good music? You must rate the Spice Girl's Spice album over HIStory then... Because that was one of the biggest hits at the time. I feel sorry for you if you rate music only based on how big of a hit something was. I guess PSY is an all time great in your book then... I mean MJ never had such a huge hit as Gangnam Style so all hail the new King of Pop, right? Because being a hit is all about the quality of the music and if something is not a hit then it means its crap, right?

There are very complex reasons for why HIStory wasn't that successful in the US, but the quality of the music was not one of them. (Like, have you heard about certain allegations, for example?) YANA was not even one of the best songs on the album, so it being a hit and other songs not, just shows that being a hit is not always about the actual quality or merit of a song. They Don't Care About Us, for example, was completely buried by an artificially induced media "scandal" (anti-semitism claim) in the US but now it is MJ's second most played video on YouTube, only after Thriller. So it actually stood the test of time despite of a hostile media campaign against it and MJ when it was released. And the US is not everything. Earth Song, TDCAU and SIM were hits outside of the US. In fact, in some countries Earth Song was MJ's biggest hit ever. That the US was so hostile and prejudiced against him at the time has nothing to do with the music, but a whole lot of other factors. Actually some of the same factors MJ addresses on the album itself.

 

[OnirMJ]

after YANA, all the singles have flopped.

Surprisingly Blood also flopped here.

Re-read my post!

Only single released in USA from HIStory after YANA was TDCAU - but radio and TV stations in USA refused to play it.
Stranger In Moscow was released a year later than in all other countries (after BOTDF - which had absolutely no promotion is USA)!

 

[SarahJ]

Also...Theres a difference between expressing an opinion and trolling. I think it got into troll territory when prince was brought into it for some reason (I mean really?)[/QUOTE]

Reading through this thread, I think it was in troll territory pretty much from the beginning.

 

[loka]

If History was as good as you say, then the promotion would have follow with Money, DS and 2 BAD or History. But they stopped it and started something else...

They even thought that a remix of the song History was a smarter choice...

Why ?

 

[J5master]

Promotion for an album doesn't equal the quality of an album, thats number 1. There is literally zero correlation.

I think its explained over and over in this thread reasons why promotion stopped. You just aren't listening.

History had about 3 years or so of promotion total, as BOTDF is a PART of history's promotion. So I don't get this "starting something else" thing - something else was started... "Invincible" ...because MJ wanted to start something else? And MJ is always working on something new regardless of the success of the last album?

 

[loka]

So to you only hit music is good music? You must rate the Spice Girl's Spice album over HIStory then... Because that was one of the biggest hits at the time.

Who was this guy who said that every track in an album should be good enough to be a single ?

Yes, his name is Michael Jackson.

Once again, why did they prefer "Blood on the dancefloor" to the History Tracks ?

 

[Deleted member 9375]

@ Loka
Christ, what an incredible lot of nonsense I've read in here. The HIStory album is an incredible album and MJ's first real effort at anything that could be considered conceptual from beginning to end. He'd already produced albums choc full of hits such as Bad, where every song bar two, are singles. HIStory is an album in the sense that it contains "album tracks"! Are you even familiar with such term? With HIStory the some total is far greater than it's parts. Songs such as This Time Around, Money and DS are there to enhance the overall feel and concept, and add to the bigger picture. By your logic, you wouldn't regard a masterpiece of a film a masterpiece because you didn't like scene's 4,7 and 13. Scenes 4, 7 and 13 might be absolutely integral to the overall story and necessary to move the story along and bring a much greater reward to the experience as an entire statement. Certain songs on HIStory are there to juxtapose against and, or embellish other songs and paint a bigger picture in its entirety. It is, after all, His Story. It isn't always about instant gratification and chart hit after chart hit. You claim to be a Prince fan? Well then, you of all people should understand that. I'm a Prince fan myself and the guy has made enough "album tracks" in his career. He's made far more album tracks than hit singles actually.

The HIStory era also saw MJ's biggest tour playing to a bigger audience than past tours, more promo than previous era's with MJ appearing on more TV music event shows and actually performing and he completely threw himself into his work. "Blood on the Dancefloor:HIStory in the Mix" was released while MJ was on the European leg of his tour and it was to capitalize on the tours success and partly embrace the current club sound of that time as well as giving us five new tracks. Ghosts was also released.

But getting back to the album, it's an incredible album. Had you been on the journey with MJ from the 80's, early 90's you would have understood tracks like Money, and to a greater extent, the album as a whole. Or you could have just actually listened to the lyrics. The production is stunning and everything from the recording techniques used to the instrumentation and the way it's layered is incredible. When you've got singles as big and powerful in scope and depth as Stranger in Moscow, They Don't Care and something as apocalyptic as Earth Song, the overall album is gonna be improved far more with a meaningful none hit, than slapping another chart hit next to it. It's about bringing quality and texture and mood and space and depth to the album as a whole.

 

[J5master]

Who was this guy who said that every track in an album should be good enough to be a single ?

Yes, his name is Michael Jackson.

LOL yes, and just because it doesn't end up being a single for whatever reason doesn't mean its not good enough. And just because the INTENT of the song is for it to not be mainstream, doesn't mean it isn't good enough to be a single. I know its a hard concept to grasp but that quote simply means that MJ's standards were high no matter what song it was. So even if its an experimental song, the quality of it would still be high enough to where if he puts it out as a single, he would not be embarrassed by it and he would not be like 'damn, i only half assed THAT song."

There are plenty of MJ songs that were not released as singles. "Dangerous" the song, was not released as a single but its actually one of MJ's most famous songs. But I suppose its crap because it wasn't released. Also half of Off the Wall was crap too I guess - an album outside of Thriller that is practically worshiped by MJ fans and non MJ fans alike.

Once again, why did they prefer "Blood on the dancefloor" to the History Tracks ?

Once again, READ.

@aazzaabb what an incredible analysis of the album. thank you for that. I think that captures why there are what people want to call "fillers" in the album. They aren't fillers. MJ was so incredibly DEEP as an artist with that album. It told a story. HIS story. And that to me is brilliant. It essence, it really wasn't meant to be your typical Pop album.

 

[Deleted member 9375]

@aazzaabb what an incredible analysis of the album. thank you for that. I think that captures why there are what people want to call "fillers" in the album. They aren't fillers. MJ was so incredibly DEEP as an artist with that album. It told a story. HIS story. And that to me is brilliant. It essence, it really wasn't meant to be your typical Pop album.

You're most welcome. And I absolutely agree with you. "Filler" is such a passive term to use in regards to something as big in scope and depth as HIStory, and possibly the first time MJ consciously used the space on his album to deliver an overall picture and statement without worrying too much about having every single track as a single. To say "that song is just filler" or "that song wasn't good enough to be a single" is a complete cop-out. Of all artists, MJ more than anyone was capable of delivering chart hit after chart hit, but by that point he'd done it so many times and he needed to express himself in ways he hadn't before. He'd done the typical pop album before.

 

[SheilaMJFan4Ever]

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