[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Actually, reading this reminds me of how all of Michael's supposed victims are special little snowflakes. Jordan was the love of his life, Wade got an entire company devoted to him so Michael can screw him, Chuck actually got married to Michael, and Gavin got in a documentary and love cards. I guess only Jason wasn't special enough to get nothing special.

Edit: Actually, Jason did get one-hundred dollars per sexual abused, so he did get something.

^^You had me cracking up there. Don't forget the King of Pop does everything in a Kingly manner, so that is why he creates a whole company solely to deal with Wade ( to put it delicately). He does everything differently and large scale, hence the marriage, creation of the company, & special love cards.
 
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And all that while managing to elude two DA's, FBI (I think Interpol was even involved at some point, can't remember where I read it though), eluding grand juries in '93, and then manipulating a jury into acquitting him in '05. Easy peasy.
 
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Respect when you take that big chunk of document from the person's blog above^^, do you say where you get it from so people can see the name and go on the person's blog and give them some clicks; or is that not allowed. I see the document has a name on it, but where is the citation that says the owner's name?
 
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^^

Petra, links are not allowed.
 
MJresearcher;4048127 said:
I couldn't help but laugh when I read this. MJ would not need to set up another company to spend time with Wade or have him involved in projects. Wade's mother was already making sure they were spending time together by moving to America. This is one of the craziest things in this lawsuit, but I suspected this would happen.

It was Wade's mother who sought out MJ when they came to the US to get help from him. Way before MJJV was started Joy allowed Wade to sleep in MJ's room, so what exactly MJJV was needed for? Obviously they are just desperate to somehow drag the companies into it. BTW, for those who are interested in the legal arguments in this case, here is the Aaronoff v. Martinez-Senftner case that is referred to in the document: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1048357.html

Actually, Wade's lawyer brought up this precedent case and I have no idea why because in this case the demurrer of the defendants was sustained. (The Estate's motion points out too that each and every precedent case Robson cited ended with a decision in favour of the defendants so it's a bit puzzling.) In this Aaronoff case a woman accused her father of molesting her when she was a child and she accused her mother not only knowing about the abuse but according to the plaintiff's allegations she even witnessed some instances of molestation but did nothing to defend her. The father owned three companies and the daughter was employed in those companies and made work as a child. The mother too was an employee of the companies. The allegation is that some molestations happened on the companies' premises and within the employer-employee relationship with the companies so that is a basis to sue the companies. But the court's decision points out that the allegation is that the molestations happened when the plaintiff was 4-13 years old but the companies only started to employ her from the age of 10. So the abuse did not arise out of her being employed in the companies, but it arose from a parent-child relationship much earlier.

Another thing was that she tried to use her mother's alleged witnessing of abuse as a basis for the companies being responsible (since the mother was an employee in the companies). However the court decided that (just like the Estate argues) as an employee the mother did not have contol over the employer (the father)

The language of section 340.1, subdivision (b)(2) clearly does not apply to the parental relationship.   The statute is targeted at third party defendants who, by virtue of certain specified relationships to the perpetrator (i.e., employee, volunteer, representative, or agent), could have employed safeguards to prevent the sexual assault.   It requires the sexual conduct to have arisen through an exploitation of a relationship over which the third party has some control.   In other words, the perpetrator's access to the victim must arise out of the perpetrator's employment with, representation of, agency to, etc., the third party, and the third party must be in such a relationship with the perpetrator as to have some control over the perpetrator.   The child must be exposed to the perpetrator as an inherent part of the environment created by the relationship between the perpetrator and the third party, in this case a business environment.

The language of the statute necessarily implies that the unlawful sexual conduct arises out of an environment over which the third party has some control.   Otherwise, it would be impossible for the third party to take steps  and implement safeguards to avoid future abuse.   For example, the employer of an office worker would have neither the ability nor responsibility to “take reasonable steps, and to implement reasonable safeguards,” to prevent the office worker from assaulting his or her own child, even if the employer had knowledge of prior assaults.   On the other hand, the statute would apply, and the employer would have responsibility if the nature of the employee's work put the employee in contact with children, and the employer knew or should have known the employee had assaulted children in the past.

Our construction of the statute is confirmed by the legislative history of the 2002 amendment.   The analyses of the Senate Judiciary Committee explained that the responsible third party entity to which the legislation is directed is an entity such as “an employer, sponsoring organization or religious organization․” It went on to explain:  “General theories of negligence impose a duty of care where a third person or entity has assumed some responsibility, through a relationship or otherwise, for a person's conduct or a person's safety.   An employer thus bears a duty of care to third parties for the conduct of an employee engaging in acts related to his employment, but not for acts unrelated to that employment.   Similarly, a school district, church, or other organization engaging in the care and custody of a child owes a duty of care to that child to reasonably ensure its safety.  [¶] In addition, separate from respondeat superior liability, an employer may be liable under Restatement (Second) of Agency Section 213 for harm caused by an employee whom the employer hired or retained with actual or constructive knowledge that the employee's retention created, in light of the work, an undue risk of harm to others.  [¶] Thus, an employee's commission of a crime, such as the sexual abuse of a child, obviously lies outside the scope of a person's employment.   However, depending on the facts of the case, the employer may be held liable for failure to adequately screen that employee before hiring, or for failure to adequately supervise the employee on the job.   Further, an employer with knowledge of prior acts of abuse by the employee who fails to take reasonable measures to prevent future acts may be held liable for a failure to warn or a failure to take precautions regarding that employee.”

So even in this case where there were very well-defined allegations against a well-defined person (the mother witnessing abuse but doing nothing) the demurrer was sustained. But Robson did not even make well-defined allegations. But even if he would name employees and claim they knew about his alleged abuse it seems it still would get stuck on this issue of who controlled who. MJ's employees did not have control over him.

I'm thinking of the general public here, if they know Wade was given a fair shake they won't be able to complain that it had anything to do with MJ being a rich celebrity as the reason why the case was dismissed. We look at things very differently here because we know what's happened with this case and past cases, most people in the general public don't, so even though I'm frustrated with how this case is currently going, it's good for the public who don't know much about this to see.

Unfortunately the general public is largely ignorant. In the comment section of one RadarOnline article that mentioned how the case could get stuck on statutes of limitations people were all up in arms about the "injustice" of that and how statutes should be extended. Of course, they had no idea that laws in California are actually one of the most Plaintiff-friendly laws in the world, and definitely in the USA when it comes to child abuse allegations. But the accused and their heirs have rights too and the injustice is when an Estate or the heirs of someone, to defend their heritage, are forced to defend allegations which could have been investigated while the defendant was still here.

They also had no idea that Robson missed three different statutes of limitations. How much more they want?

Petrarose;4048183 said:
Respect when you take that big chunk of document from the person's blog above^^, do you say where you get it from so people can see the name and go on the person's blog and give them some clicks; or is that not allowed. I see the document has a name on it, but where is the citation that says the owner's name?

It's from Ivy's blog. Like she said links are not allowed.
 
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Respect77

Unfortunately the general public is largely ignorant. In the comment section of one RadarOnline article that mentioned how the case could get stuck on statutes of limitations people were all up in arms about the "injustice" of that and how statutes should be extended. Of course, they had no idea that laws in California are actually one of the most Plaintiff-friendly laws in the world, and definitely in the USA when it comes to child abuse allegations. But the accused and their heirs have rights too and the injustice is when an Estate or the heirs of someone, to defend their heritage, are forced to defend allegations which could have been investigated while the defendant was still here.

They also had no idea that Robson missed three different statutes of limitations. How much more they want?



I agree with you on this 100% if the public only knew how many chance Wade has had their would be saying why is this case still going on.
 
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That's actually a blessing. Nobody but Radar online (and sometimes the NYPost and TMZ) post about it. General public isn't reading about it and they probably won't until it all shakes out.
 
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That's actually a blessing. Nobody but Radar online (and sometimes the NYPost and TMZ) post about it. General public isn't reading about it and they probably won't until it all shakes out.

Thats right, general public consist more people than people reading Radar and TMZ.
Anyways, when the executors sort Wade and the other one out, I hope they release some sort of statement, and diss all the dirt their private detective managed to find of both of those crooks:)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You guys are right less the better i just feel so upset with this whole messy i just wish it was over with. Wade and his lawyers has push this case so far to where the judge is saying go back redo it not enough to move forward not to mention all of the deadlines that Wade has miss how are their getting around the law this case should have been dismiss.
 
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Respect you are so right on this. But the accused and their heirs have rights too and the injustice is when an Estate or the heirs of someone, to defend their heritage, are forced to defend allegations which could have been investigated while the defendant was still here.


Where are their rights so unfair. Wade should of dealt with this when Michael was alive he was the one that said in 2005 Michael never abuse me.
 
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Unfortunately the general public is largely ignorant. In the comment section of one RadarOnline article that mentioned how the case could get stuck on statutes of limitations people were all up in arms about the "injustice" of that and how statutes should be extended. Of course, they had no idea that laws in California are actually one of the most Plaintiff-friendly laws in the world, and definitely in the USA when it comes to child abuse allegations. But the accused and their heirs have rights too and the injustice is when an Estate or the heirs of someone, to defend their heritage, are forced to defend allegations which could have been investigated while the defendant was still here.

They also had no idea that Robson missed three different statutes of limitations. How much more they want?

Ignorance is a big problem, and people's emotions make it worse. With the high amount of stories in the media about abuse in the church and abuse by a number of people in the public eye, people seem to be more willing to accept an allegation made as being truth without asked many questions, sometimes asking none. Some people are getting more angry about injustices happening in child abuse cases which is fine, but their emotions and biases are preventing them from looking into a case properly before forming an opinion. In MJ's case people seem to think it's clear cut because there were multiple allegations and he said he shared a bed with children.

I understand why people would jump to a conclusion there, but I wish people could understand that things are not always what they look like, each claim must be investigated thoroughly to determine its accuracy, and determining the credibility of the accuser is also very important. Personally, I've found that the biggest problem with the public is their emotions getting the better of them which leaves them unable to think clearly about any of this. The irony is that people like us are called "naive" and "stupid" when we say this should be researched carefully to determine the facts. In reality neither description fits us because it is neither naive or stupid to properly investigate cases to determine their accuracy, rather, it's responsible, professional and fair.

Multiple children in the McMartin preschool case were telling stories about satanic rituals and underground tunnels but neither of those things turned out to be true. This proves that just because multiple people make a similar allegation, it does not necessarily mean that the allegation is true. This follows on from the fact that claim does not equal proof, this is circular reasoning; the conclusion is in the premise. Many people out there are attempting to give their opinions more authority and credibility than they actually have, and it also looks like there are people who don't understand the difference between fact and speculation. I recently spoke with someone who didn't seem to understand that, it was the same old "Is it speculation that he slept in a bed with children?" No, but this does not prove abuse. Medical, photographic or video evidence is the standard you would need to prove such a thing, being in the same bed does not prove that anything happened. He also made no effort to hide that fact, I would expect a predator to want to keep that to themselves for fear of suspicion and getting caught. MJ seemed to be very naive about what people would think about this, but I guess that's what happens when you've lived in a fishbowl your whole life.

People tend to project their opinions of bed sharing onto him in an effort to say he was guilty which doesn't work. Not understanding why a person would share a bed in a non sexual manner does not mean that it doesn't happen, people are arguing from personal incredulity when they do that. They also need to remember that this is not about what they or other people with similar opinions think about this, since MJ was the one doing the bed sharing, it's about what he was thinking and intending. No other person on the planet besides him can say they know for a fact what he was thinking, it's overstepping the scope of a person's knowledge to do so.
 
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Ignorance is a big problem, and people's emotions make it worse. With the high amount of stories in the media about abuse in the church and abuse by a number of people in the public eye, people seem to be more willing to accept an allegation made as being truth without asked many questions, sometimes asking none. Some people are getting more angry about injustices happening in child abuse cases which is fine, but their emotions and biases are preventing them from looking into a case properly before forming an opinion. In MJ's case people seem to think it's clear cut because there were multiple allegations and he said he shared a bed with children.

I understand why people would jump to a conclusion there, but I wish people could understand that things are not always what they look like, each claim must be investigated thoroughly to determine its accuracy, and determining the credibility of the accuser is also very important. Personally, I've found that the biggest problem with the public is their emotions getting the better of them which leaves them unable to think clearly about any of this. The irony is that people like us are called "naive" and "stupid" when we say this should be researched carefully to determine the facts. In reality neither description fits us because it is neither naive or stupid to properly investigate cases to determine their accuracy, rather, it's responsible, professional and fair.

Multiple children in the McMartin preschool case were telling stories about satanic rituals and underground tunnels but neither of those things turned out to be true. This proves that just because multiple people make a similar allegation, it does not necessarily mean that the allegation is true. This follows on from the fact that claim does not equal proof, this is circular reasoning; the conclusion is in the premise. Many people out there are attempting to give their opinions more authority and credibility than they actually have, and it also looks like there are people who don't understand the difference between fact and speculation. I recently spoke with someone who didn't seem to understand that, it was the same old "Is it speculation that he slept in a bed with children?" No, but this does not prove abuse. Medical, photographic or video evidence is the standard you would need to prove such a thing, being in the same bed does not prove that anything happened. He also made no effort to hide that fact, I would expect a predator to want to keep that to themselves for fear of suspicion and getting caught. MJ seemed to be very naive about what people would think about this, but I guess that's what happens when you've lived in a fishbowl your whole life.

People tend to project their opinions of bed sharing onto him in an effort to say he was guilty which doesn't work. Not understanding why a person would share a bed in a non sexual manner does not mean that it doesn't happen, people are arguing from personal incredulity when they do that. They also need to remember that this is not about what they or other people with similar opinions think about this, since MJ was the one doing the bed sharing, it's about what he was thinking and intending. No other person on the planet besides him can say they know for a fact what he was thinking, it's overstepping the scope of a person's knowledge to do so.

We must also keep in the mind that the entire bias of bed-sharing is more of a western hang-up. I remembered reading years ago how it was customary in some countries in the Middle East for family members and friends to sleep in the same bed or at least in close quarters. Heck, even in anime, it is not unusual to see kids sleeping with unrelated adults, usual family friends or people so closed they are considered family. Which is probably why those countries do no see why we Westerns see the bed-sharing as a big deal.

They are also general ignorance about pedo. People still think that pedos are easy to spot because they either looked like the boogy man, have some satanic worship, or other oddities that tells people that they are a pedo. They don't seem to understand that most pedo tried to be 'normal' in the eyes of societies so people won't suspect them. They won't be like Michael who had no problem talking about his relationship with kids.

But as you said, the biggest problem is the general public wants to believe anyone who claims sexual abused. On one hand, many cases goes unreported because of the power of the individual or the cover-up by those around the abuser. To be abused and no one believing you is horrible and happens way too often. On the other hand, we can't not believe everyone who claim abused because people will bear false witness for a number of reasons that ranges from greed, revenge, to attention. For most, they can't believe someone who claimed that they were abused for such petty reasons. The same way people's lives can be ruined when they are falsely accused of rape.

Michael being a celebrity also made things harder. There is a belief among the general public that celebrities can get away with anything because of their money and power. So, when something like this comes, there is a need to 'make an example' to show just because you are a celebrity does not mean you are above the law. Of course, this makes whenever a celebrity get into trouble big news and even something minor can turn into a giant shitstorm.

Michael's problems were both cultural and public ignorance.
 
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It's from Ivy's blog. Like she said links are not allowed.

Good I was not asking for links only for the name, which you provided now. That is all I wanted--to cite the name of the person whose blog this came from. Thank you.
 
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Michael being a celebrity also made things harder. There is a belief among the general public that celebrities can get away with anything because of their money and power. So, when something like this comes, there is a need to 'make an example' to show just because you are a celebrity does not mean you are above the law. Of course, this makes whenever a celebrity get into trouble big news and even something minor can turn into a giant shitstorm.

Michael's problems were both cultural and public ignorance.


Yes, there is a jealousy of celebrities in people and if you read the articles, books written by the likes of Orth and Dimond about MJ they pretty much play on that factor. They portray him as some kind of big, powerful entity - almost maffia boss like. Evan Chandler too portrayed the whole case as some kind of David vs. Goliath fight in Ray Chandler's book. Him, the little common man against this huge, wealthy superstar with huge, superstar lawyers. It does two things: 1) makes people think people with money and fame get away with things (and it's easy to make them believe that since many are already jealous of people who are more successful than them), 2) makes them relate to and root for the "little common people", the people "like us", - the accusers. Of course when we get down to detail we will realize how false this picture is, but many people are easily manipulated by this kind of portrayal.

Yes, MJ was wealthy and famous, but how exactly did that make him get away with anything? If anything, his wealth was (and still is) a magnet for people with ulterior motives and false accusers, especially when coupled with his naivity and kindness. What else did his wealth do for him regarding these cases? He could hire good lawyers? Well, his accusers could too. Larry Feldman is one of the countries top lawyers. So is Henry Gradstein. So where is little "David" in this story exactly? And where is MJ's supposed power? Most of the media was heavily biased against him - even actively affecting these cases by paying big money to people to lie about him. Law enforcement was biased against him from the get go. So who exactly did he have power over?

There is also an increasing public opinion that Hollywood is full of pedophiles and when we hear about cases like that of Stephen Collins these days, these just rainforce the idea that "everyone in Hollywood is a pedo" and every famous person who has ever worked around children is suspect. There is another forum I go to (a general one) and people really think this way - that Hollywood is the hot bed of pedophilia. So we get to the point where all famous people are suspect.

This is the reason why I did not particularly like the way Corey Feldman talked about Hollywood pedophila. It's good that he points out the problem (and it certainly exists - heck, even MJ sings about it in songs lie Do You Know Where Your Children Are and Hollywood Tonight), but by putting it out there that he was abused by someone he worked with, but without naming the person he implicates a lot of innocent people. When he came out with that book people were guessing and throwing in the names of every director he worked with as a possible pedo. That's not good either. (And of course, some tried to make it about MJ, but at least Corey made it clear it wasn't him.)
 
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I wonder if judge is going to follow up that he committed perjury in his declaration when he lied that he didn't understand or was not aware of MJ's estate until March 4 2013. Weitzman got him to admit he was aware of the estate. If nothing follows from that, at least judge is aware that Wade is capable of pending "his truth".


That's something else. Personally, I doubt the judge is going to wonder what that was about. I don't like how Wade seems to have every excuse for the glaring problems with his case. My main question still is why isn't his credibility being seriously questioned at this point, (except by MJ fans), when his story keeps changing. His TV interview last year is a perfect example, in my opinion. He was sitting there talking about how he "never forgot" about the abuse. But now, the story is that he basically did forget until he had his supposed "breakdown". I think they must be having some real problems with the statute of limitations business to make a switch like that. But I don't care. I find this mess ridiculous and disgusting. There is something really wrong with this case, in my opinion. And it gets worse and worse all the time.
 
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That's something else. Personally, I doubt the judge is going to wonder what that was about. I don't like how Wade seems to have every excuse for the glaring problems with his case. My main question still is why isn't his credibility being seriously questioned at this point, (except by MJ fans), when his story keeps changing. His TV interview last year is a perfect example, in my opinion. He was sitting there talking about how he "never forgot" about the abuse. But now, the story is that he basically did forget until he had his supposed "breakdown". I think they must be having some real problems with the statute of limitations business to make a switch like that. But I don't care. I find this mess ridiculous and disgusting. There is something really wrong with this case, in my opinion. And it gets worse and worse all the time.



I am getting this feel too this case is not adding up right i agree Wade has use every excuse he can think of his story has change it was mention it is not the judge job to decide weather Wade is telling the true or not his job is to decide if there is enough proof for this case to go forward and now that the judge has said to Wade and his lawyers that it is not enough go back and redo it the sexual abuse was not working so now we will add negligence to this case. I don't know how Wade and his lawyers are going to prove that MJ companies knew about this so call alleged abuse that Wade claim happen i don't know how their will prove that.


I really do believe that the statute of limitations is holding up this case Wade has miss every deadline but yet he was still able to file a late claim and why because he just reality that he was abuse by Michael for 7 years so now he want to tell his story he feel the world need to know the true now this is the same man who defend Michael in the 2005 trial by saying Michael never abuse him. Breakdown i don't believe Wade had one just another one of his excuses imo.


Something is wrong here maybe the judge is given Wade every chance to prove his case before he makes that finale decision on weather he has enough to move forward on this case.

You are right this case is getting worse and worse.
 
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Yes, there is a jealousy of celebrities in people and if you read the articles, books written by the likes of Orth and Dimond about MJ they pretty much play on that factor. They portray him as some kind of big, powerful entity - almost maffia boss like. Evan Chandler too portrayed the whole case as some kind of David vs. Goliath fight in Ray Chandler's book. Him, the little common man against this huge, wealthy superstar with huge, superstar lawyers. It does two things: 1) makes people think people with money and fame get away with things (and it's easy to make them believe that since many are already jealous of people who are more successful than them), 2) makes them relate to and root for the "little common people", the people "like us", - the accusers. Of course when we get down to detail we will realize how false this picture is, but many people are easily manipulated by this kind of portrayal.

Yes, MJ was wealthy and famous, but how exactly did that make him get away with anything? If anything, his wealth was (and still is) a magnet for people with ulterior motives and false accusers, especially when coupled with his naivity and kindness. What else did his wealth do for him regarding these cases? He could hire good lawyers? Well, his accusers could too. Larry Feldman is one of the countries top lawyers. So is Henry Gradstein. So where is little "David" in this story exactly? And where is MJ's supposed power? Most of the media was heavily biased against him - even actively affecting these cases by paying big money to people to lie about him. Law enforcement was biased against him from the get go. So who exactly did he have power over?

There is also an increasing public opinion that Hollywood is full of pedophiles and when we hear about cases like that of Stephen Collins these days, these just rainforce the idea that "everyone in Hollywood is a pedo" and every famous person who has ever worked around children is suspect. There is another forum I go to (a general one) and people really think this way - that Hollywood is the hot bed of pedophilia. So we get to the point where all famous people are suspect.

This is the reason why I did not particularly like the way Corey Feldman talked about Hollywood pedophila. It's good that he points out the problem (and it certainly exists - heck, even MJ sings about it in songs lie Do You Know Where Your Children Are and Hollywood Tonight), but by putting it out there that he was abused by someone he worked with, but without naming the person he implicates a lot of innocent people. When he came out with that book people were guessing and throwing in the names of every director he worked with as a possible pedo. That's not good either. (And of course, some tried to make it about MJ, but at least Corey made it clear it wasn't him.)




Excellence post you hit it right on the head this is how the ppls see Michael Jackson today.

I have always wonder if Michael would have be able to clear his name and not settled in 1993 how would the ppls feel about Michael Jackson today a question that will never be answer just me thinking out loud.
You know it really doesn't matter the ppls made up the minds a long time ago about Michael Jackson.
 
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For me the most frustrating part about these false allegations is when people from the general public talk as if they are experts on the subject without looking into it. But then when you bring up all the faults in what they are saying they respond with ''I don't care anyway''
If they didn't care then why did they feel the need to comment in the first place?

People who don't research the false allegations, refuse to research them, but still act like they know everything about them really pisses me off
 
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For me the most frustrating part about these false allegations is when people from the general public talk as if they are experts on the subject without looking into it. But then when you bring up all the faults in what they are saying they respond with ''I don't care anyway''
If they didn't care then why did they feel the need to comment in the first place?

People who don't research the false allegations, refuse to research them, but still act like they know everything about them really pisses me off

I think it is more that people do not like being proven wrong more than anything. People follow the case, think they got all their facts, and when you point out to them that they got several things wrong because the media failed them, people tend to take it personally. It is the same with any high-profile case.

Once anyone gets the idea that someone is innocent or guilty, they usually won't change their opinion regardless of facts. Which is why people get mad when someone who has been in jail for over half their lives for a crime they didn't committee still get bag on even when there's physical proof they did nothing. You can still find people who believe those people who were caught up in that witch hunt back in late 80s to have abused their kid.
 
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For me the most frustrating part about these false allegations is when people from the general public talk as if they are experts on the subject without looking into it. But then when you bring up all the faults in what they are saying they respond with ''I don't care anyway''
If they didn't care then why did they feel the need to comment in the first place?

People who don't research the false allegations, refuse to research them, but still act like they know everything about them really pisses me off

Oh, I hate this so much!!! Then they have the audacity to speak to you like you're the one who's the idiot and fail to see the irony in that! Thankfully in person I've had a lot of people willing to listen to me, but I think it may be because they had their own doubts about this issue anyway. Online I've run into far more people who are adamant that something happened and attack me on a personal level. I don't tend to do the same but if the situation calls for it I'll be firm and assertive. It can be hard not to lose it at someone who's being nasty sometimes, but if you keep it professional you come off looking more mature and credible than they will.
 
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MJresearcher that makes two of us on this

People who don't research the false allegations, refuse to research them, but still act like they know everything about them really pisses me off

That would be to right. Their don't care their go by with what the media say. Like Michael always say don't judge me if you don't know me. People are so quick to judge a person without checking the facts.
 
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Wade and his lawyers fail to move this case forward on sexual abuse the judge said it was not enough go back and redo it now we have negligence their must prove that someone in MJ companies knew about this alleged abuse that Wade has claim happen to him like to hear what kind of excuse he will come up with now.
 
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Safechuck with MJ and LMP in Budapest, 1994


 
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Does James know how luck he was to be that close to MJ what a honor he had and then turn around and say MJ sexual abuse him. I just don't understand the ppls in the world today so sad.
 
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Safechuck looked quite happy to be around and help holding Michael's umbrella for "being abused" in his childhood by that person. Even had the audacy to use his home to get marry. Why didn't he get away from Michael and continued defending him when he had his chance to seek justice? If haters refuse to see those things and inconsistencies, their denial is idiotic.
 
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Well that's the calmest abuse victim I've ever seen I have to say. Especially with Lisa there, I mean what with all his claims of marriage, rings, "it was love" bs.

Although to be perfectly honest with MJ looking the way he does in that video it's hard to pay attention to anyone else.
 
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Safechuck and Robson you are despicable. Backstabbing cash grabbing liar fools the pair of you. I hope you choke on the notes.
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I'm aware Safechuck defended Michael during his lifetime, even years after his passing. Safechuck's wedding ceremony was performed at Neverland, I don't remember the year. But do they continued their friendship in recent years, before and after the trial?
 
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I'm aware Safechuck defended Michael during his lifetime, even years after his passing.

As far as I know Safechuck always kept a low profile, he is not on any public record saying anything about the allegations. But he was certainly interviewed by authorities in 1993 where he denied abuse.

And that tweet from his cousin from last year tells us that he did not try to claim this even to his family until this year.

Safechuck's wedding ceremony was performed at Neverland, I don't remember the year.

It wasn't. Mesereau mistook him for Jonathan Spence. It was Spence who had his wedding at Neverland.

But do they continued their friendship in recent years, before and after the trial?

According to Safechuck's lawsuit he and MJ drifted away when he was about 17 (so shortly after this 1994 footage). He claims now that in 2005 he did not testify because he did not want his mother to learn that he was sexually abused by MJ. Nevertheless shortly after that he did tell her, according to his current claims. He also claims that MJ called him and when he told him he would not testify MJ threatened him.

I don't think this is true, of course, but I don't think they had any type of contact after the mid 90s. It seems like they drifted away and Safechuck became bitter about that. From his lawsuit it also seems like he had some kind of entertainment industry aspirations (which MJ helped him with), but it obviously never went anywhere, so I guess he is also bitter about not becoming the international supertstar he was destined to become and instead living a boring 9-to-5 working life and I guess he blames MJ for not helping him more with his career.
 
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Re: Safechuck not wanting to testify, I read that the Judge in '05 ruled against allowing Safechuck and Spence's (I believe it's Spence) testimony in, so not that he chose not to testify per-see. I'll have to go back and re-read the transcripts to make sure though.
 
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