Spike Lee announces Off The Wall Documentary - Estate Announcement Page 66

From what I recall, yes. Do I have any proof? no. Does that mean it didn't happen? No. Take from it what you will. Your original reply to my post seemed a little condescending, you were pretty much saying 'I've never seen the evidence myself, therefore I don't believe you. From what I recall I remember him singing a J5 song at some point. Again, take from that what you want. Anyhoo, it's cool.

Didn't want it to sound condescending at all. Just very curious. Because I remember searching for those videos long time ago and I couldn't find any of them where he actually sings the songs. That's what I wanted to see/hear. I'm not that interested seeing him just playing the guitar while female background singers sing.
 
Didn't want it to sound condescending at all. Just very curious. Because I remember searching for those videos long time ago and I couldn't find any of them where he actually sings the songs. That's what I wanted to see/hear. I'm not that interested seeing him just playing the guitar while female background singers sing.

I doubt you find any as I think Prince's publishing company is taking down the videos.
He performed Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough" in Jimmy Kimmel but now it says: This video is no longer available due to the copyright claim by Controversy Music (one of his publishing company). There is many articles about him playing MJ songs, but no videos.

Anyways, if he want to be such a wussy and egomaniac, Keith Richards and Jagger will do me for next documentary:D
 
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Didn't want it to sound condescending at all. Just very curious. Because I remember searching for those videos long time ago and I couldn't find any of them where he actually sings the songs. That's what I wanted to see/hear. I'm not that interested seeing him just playing the guitar while female background singers sing.
Nothing more than a miscommunication buddy, no harm taken. Honestly, Prince frustrates me in that sense also. Fans who share videos on YouTube or other social media do so at their own risk, as Prince serves cease and desist orders on fans and a lot of fans have had their websites, social media and YouTube accounts shut down. I think it's utterly ridiculous the way he has come after people like this and don't see what the point is. As I keep saying I'm a big fan of his, he's up there in my favourite artists but I just can't wrap my head around why he's so controlling, I can sort of understand the ego but I don't necessarily like that either. I would have thought as he got a bit older he would have mellowed and become more empathic.
 
From what I've been seeing on Twitter, a hell of a lot of people consider Spike Lee to be a pretty big racist, so I don't think that his stance on the oscars will affect those people. I've read some questionable things over the last day or so about him and things he's said, and some which I'm not too thrilled about, but I've no idea what's true or not.

Spike is a tool. I believe he is a bit racist. Why does he have to open his mouth about everything? I like how he supports Mj to a point. A little to much Quincy loving for me. This won't get the exposure it really should because of Spike. Let hope he doesn't do Thriller.
 
I doubt you find any as I think Prince's publishing company is taking down the videos.
He performed Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough" in Jimmy Kimmel but now it says: This video is no longer available due to the copyright claim by Controversy Music (one of his publishing company). There is many articles about him playing MJ songs, but no videos.

Anyways, if he want to be such a wussy and egomaniac, Keith Richards and Jagger will do me for next documentary:D

No, no. I remember I actually watched the video on youtube. It was from one of his recent tours, maybe just after MJ died. Shake Your Body was played and female backup singers sang it. It was fanmade recording shot with mobile phone from the crowd.
 
Quincy Quincy Quincy. I watched the clip of Spike Lee on Goodmorning America. Quincy Quincy Quincy. ENOUGH WITH QUINCY!!!!

I had the same feeling!

Also I think that album is so overrated! It's a good album but for me definitively MJ's weakest. I understand that it's very important album in MJ's history and in music history in general. I also understand that it was huge for music industry and racial equality. I understand that it was MJ's first album and his breakthrough in the adulthood. But judging just the music it's way behind his later works. I understand that, he was young. The best was yet to come. With that said I look forward to the documentary, but I just hope that other albums, maybe less significant, but better get the same treatment.
 
From what I've been seeing on Twitter, a hell of a lot of people consider Spike Lee to be a pretty big racist, so I don't think that his stance on the oscars will affect those people. I've read some questionable things over the last day or so about him and things he's said, and some which I'm not too thrilled about, but I've no idea what's true or not.

So because he decided not to attend the Oscars which may seem like a boycott to others, is some way racist ?
 
From what I've been seeing on Twitter, a hell of a lot of people consider Spike Lee to be a pretty big racist, so I don't think that his stance on the oscars will affect those people. I've read some questionable things over the last day or so about him and things he's said, and some which I'm not too thrilled about, but I've no idea what's true or not.

It's not about the affect his comments will make on the Oscars, it's about the affect the academy's decision/indecision made on Spike, who by the way, received an honorary Oscar a couple months ago. He respectfully accepted the award, but stood by his remarks about its lack of diversity the last couple years. This isn't so dissimilar to MTV's unspoken policy of no black music videos in the early 80's, with the exception being the gatekeepers being Hollywood's elite class, and not just a tv network. Spike Lee in relation to MJ goes a little bit further than a lot of people realize. In 1992, Michael was one of many black entertainers to lend a hand to Spike financially during his struggle to get his Malcolm X film made when he couldn't get support from studios. Spike has only been paying it forward ever since that time.
 
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It's not about the affect his comments will make on the Oscars, it's about the affect the academy's decision/indecision made on Spike, who by the way, received an honorary Oscar a couple months ago. He respectfully accepted the award, but stood by his remarks about its lack of diversity the last couple years. This isn't so dissimilar to MTV's unspoken policy of no black music videos in the early 80's, with the exception being the gatekeepers being Hollywood's elite class, and not just a tv network. Spike Lee in relation to MJ goes a little bit further than a lot of people realize. In 1992, Michael was one of many black entertainers to lend a hand to Spike financially during his struggle to get his Malcolm X film made when he couldn't get support from studios. Spike has only been paying it forward ever since that time.

:punk: Yes and this is why I called people out on their slandering of Spike's name in reference to his relationship with Mike. They both respected and admired each others work and principles.
 
:punk: Yes and this is why I called people out on their slandering of Spike's name in reference to his relationship with Mike. They both respected and admired each others work and principles.

that was Janet Jackson who did

the ending credits of Malcolm X shows all the contributors to the film in terms of financing for it and it was Janet Jackson not Michael Jackson
 
I enjoyed the Bad 25 documentary, and no doubt I will enjoy the Off The Wall documentary as well.
 
I checked the Wikipedia page and it says just some of them appear in the credits. It doesn't mean they were just the only ones who donated money for the film budget. Perhaps if Michael contributed, he chose not being credited publicly.
 
the J5/Destiny and Triumph Tour footage looks fantastic....
 
Quincy Quincy Quincy. I watched the clip of Spike Lee on Goodmorning America. Quincy Quincy Quincy. ENOUGH WITH QUINCY!!!!

Quincy was a big part of those 3 albums. Why so salty? He should get credit where credit is due. Also, he only briefly mentioned Quincy...

qUiNcY!
 
I understand Spike's point about interviewing those people but who cares what new comers/fairly famous like The Weekend have to say really? Although I love when he pointed people need to be reminded how great Michael is because they forget it or take it for granted. I'm hoping too Spike included the entire DSTYGE performance, it looks explosive worth Michael's showmanship.

I'm sure there will be at least 1 or 2 full live performances, like Bad 25 had.
Don't Stop for sure.
 
So because he decided not to attend the Oscars which may seem like a boycott to others, is some way racist ?

No, nothing to do with the Oscars. Fair play to him for that. Seems a lot have thought this for quite some time.

Type Spike Lee Harlem White People into google. Even his explanation doesn't sit well with me. If the shoe was on the other foot....

I respect what Spike is doing and has done for MJs legacy but as a man the jury is out. I can see why people would think he is a racist.
 
He's not lying, tho.
Gentrification is weird. When there's suddenly an influx of white people in predominantly black areas, things change. In theory, for the better, but the changes never usually come unless it becomes a cool new place.
Brooklyn especially. It's now the hipster capital in New York. Harlem is slowly turning too.
 
He's not lying, tho.
Gentrification is weird. When there's suddenly an influx of white people in predominantly black areas, things change. In theory, for the better, but the changes never usually come unless it becomes a cool new place.
Brooklyn especially. It's now the hipster capital in New York. Harlem is slowly turning too.

OK fair enough, I have absolutely no connections with anything like that so I wouldn't be the most knowledgeable on the subject. However, to me it comes across that he would still like segregation. But that's just how it can come across.
 
No, no. I remember I actually watched the video on youtube. It was from one of his recent tours, maybe just after MJ died. Shake Your Body was played and female backup singers sang it. It was fanmade recording shot with mobile phone from the crowd.

What are you on about Onir and stop arguing with me.
Prince performed Don't Stop Till You Get Enough in Jimmy Kimmel show in 2012,. Whether he sang it or just played it, he PERFORMED it, capish.
I don't care what kind of video it was, but below is list of articles that he indeed performed DSTyGE in Jimmy Kimmel but no video of it cannot be found

https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=ssl#q=prince+on+jimmy+kimmel+michael+jackson
 
Somehow Roger has seen the documentary and have review of it?
Just ignore his obvious and ever so tired jabs, otherwise its quite good.

Spike Lee’s Michael Jackson Doc Uncovers 1980 Interview: No Guilt About Leaving Brothers Behind

Spike Lee’s documentary, “Michael Jackson’s Journey from Motown to Off the Wall” airs February 5th on Showtime and you must not miss it. Spike’s gift to Michael is a complete rehabilitation as a musical genius pre “Thriller” and the later drift into madness.

This Michael Jackson is before chimps and Neverland and all the eccentricities that eventually consumed him. Frankly, after watching Spike’s movie, I am more convinced than ever that the combined successes of “Thriller” and “Bad” created a monster. It was too much for Michael Jackson to be the King of Pop. But that’s for another movie.

This movie tells the story quickly of the Jackson 5, but then explores how the group left Motown for Epic Records, and how Michael spun off as a solo act. Only two of his siblings, Marlon and Jackie, are interviewed (and they are very articulate and winning). There are interviews with Katherine and Joseph Jackson, archival footage of Sammy Davis Jr, Fred Astaire, and Gene Kelly.

Quincy Jones plays a huge part, of course, as producer of “Off the Wall,” the solo album that launched Michael’s second life. The whole second part of the film is devoted to the making of “Off the Wall” once Spike very smartly details its roots– Michael writing those last Jacksons hits like “Shake Your Body” and working with Gamble and Huff in Philadelphia.

The huge number of people interviewed includes Berry Gordy and Suzanne dePasse, to start. Stevie Wonder shows how he wrote “I Can’t Help It.” (I wish Gladys Knight had been included; she found the Jackson 5. Also missing is any reference to Frank DiLeo.) But then you’ve got all the people who worked with Michael like engineer Bruce Swedien, many of the musicians, plus lots of current stars like Questlove, John Legend and Pharrell.

The film is notable for its archival footage and interviews with Michael from the late 70s through just before “Thriller.” The plastic surgery is maybe just the nose. The skin color is still black, no sign of bleaching. Michael is clear-eyed and quite articulate himself about what he’s trying to do with his music and his career. He’s still a whole person attached to the world. The mania is yet to come.

There are moments that will blow you away. One is Karen Langford, one of Michael’s lawyers, reading a handwritten 1979 note from Michael declaring his intention to become a new artist named “MJ” with no Jackson 5 past intent on ruling the world. Another is seeing Randy Jackson, Michael’s brother who later become embroiled in his finances and career, rocking out as a major percussionist.

But you do see Michael, toward the end, telling interviewer Sylvia Chase that he had no guilt about his leaving his brothers behind. He is quite definite that he’s going to move forward to fulfill what he sees as his destiny. He’s clearly a genius, and way beyond — as he says — “I Want You Back.” And that’s where the trouble began.

But that’s for another film. This film undoes years of damage, and presents Michael Jackson as a brilliant young entertainer in the making. Great work.
 
"Michael.
Michael, turn down my EARPHONES MAAN!
Turn em down.

He's trying randy.

asdfasd

THEN TAKE THEM OFF!

..Shut up..!

lolz"

I hope they put that in the doc
 
I think Off the Wall is a fantastic album. Why do MJ albums always need to be pitted against each other? It feels to me that some fans are bitter that MJ's later work does not get the same praise and appreciation from the general public as the 80s albums (esp. Thriller and OTW) therefore there is this constant need to play them down in the fandom. I for one enjoy all of them the same. Yes, it's a pity that the general public doesn't give Dangerous and HIStory the same appreciation or even attention, but that doesn't make OTW weak or "overrated". It is a fact that it's a very influential album that many of the current acts use as a blueprint (at least they try to).

Something like HIStory is less accessible to the general public, because it is heavier both musically and thematically, not careless fun like OTW. It doesn't make one better or worse than the other they are just different and serve different purposes and reflect on different periods in MJ's life. I made peace with the fact that a carefree, fun album will always appeal more to the general public than a dark, heavy album. That's only natural. It doesn't mean we have to bash OTW/Thriller because the general public likes them.

The great thing about MJ is that he made such diverse music throughout his career. I enjoy this diversity in his music and the fact that I have an album by him for my every mood. I enjoy OTW just the same as I do HIStory. Sometimes I prefer to listen to this, sometimes that depending on my mood. I wish fans would embrace this diversity more and not always tried to make it some kind of Quincy records vs. later records competition all the time.

And while Thriller gets all the praise and attention all the time, it's not like OTW has overly been discussed in the general public so far. It doesn't get the same attention as Thriller or even Bad from the general public. (Just see the fact that Thriller and Bad regularly chart on the BB200, but OTW doesn't.) So I don't mind it at all if it gets its shine now and maybe this documentary will help to introduce it to younger audiences.
 
"Michael.
Michael, turn down my EARPHONES MAAN!
Turn em down.

He's trying randy.

asdfasd

THEN TAKE THEM OFF!

..Shut up..!

lolz"

I hope they put that in the doc

I love the "blllllrpbblp, blllllrrrpblp" sound the synth is making during all of this too haha
 
Dangerous album just got peed on once more, this time by the Estate who favored an Off The Wall project instead...

How do you know?

First of all that there would be a Dangerous 25 was always only fan dayreaming, not a promise, not a fact. I don't think there will be but that doesn't have anything to do with this OTW project. It has probably more to do with the lack of success of Bad 25.

Second, this project with OTW is far from some big anniversary celebration. So far people in this thread complained that the Estate put too little effort in it, they basically just attached the original album to the documentary and that's it. I think it never meant to be an OTW anniversary release. And remember OTW never got its proper anniversary release unlike Thriller or Bad. Its 25th, 30th, 35th anniversary passed without any anniversary release. So in that it's not in a favoured position compared to Dangerous at all. It's simply that now Spike Lee decided to do this documantary and basically that's it. Now, even that is somehow too much for some? I don't get it.
 
If he were to go on and do Thriller, he would need to take a lot of time to really get down and gritty with details and information that fans won't have known. We know much more about Thriller than we did OTW and Bad.

A lot of the public may not have known a lot of stuff but it will be quite a task to ensure that the ratio of new information with the re-hashed details we've all known is as close to equal as possible.
 
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