[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The quindoys had at least a son. He disowned them after they started selling stores about mj.he called his own parents liars and was ashamed of them

That was the nephew not son




His relationship with MJ tapered off in 1995 but somehow two years later MJ convinced him and his parents that college
was a waste of time and he should do directing. Why would MJ be interested in what career Safechuck had if he didn't even have
a relationship with him anymore?
The whole story is ridiculous anyway. MJ told Robson follow your heart and he was mostly away but he damn wanted to make sure
that Safechuck becomes a director. Why was it so important to him that Safechuck, of all people, becomes a director ?
Just more bullshit.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That is his parents dumb ass fault for listening. He is just a loser in life and wants someone to blame
 
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I got to agree also if ABC or NBC is not picking this up it not getting any attention. The Estate is doing the right things just stay out of it let the fools hang themselves which is what their are doing already
 
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From day one i knew these two were lying. Their are both cowards and the only reason their are doing this is because Michael is not here to defend himself and it all about the money.
 
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The complaint further alleges that Michael Jackson contacted Mr. Safechuck in 2005 and attempted to convince him and his mother to give false testimony in Jackson's Santa Barbara sex abuse criminal trial. According to the complaint Jackson threatened to reveal Safechuck's "perjury" in the Chandler case when he refused to provide false testimony in the Santa Barbara criminal trial.

So Mj threatened safe**** in 2005 by telling him either you testify now or i reveal to the authorities that you lied in 1993 when you said I did not molest you.
:smilerolleyes: These attorneys are clowns period.

LMAO wtf is Safechucks's story even.

I really wish these liars could face a trial. This witness testimony would be gold.
 
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Play this out in the media is getting no attention at all everybody know it all lies and the judge will see it too.

Oh to be a fly on the wall when the judge say case dismiss.
 
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Sorry for what happened to u matty. I can only imagine the disgust it causes ppl like you. Thanks for being able to share x
 
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Same here i know it not easy talking about this :better:
 
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Can I request that a mod removes Wades picture from the original post on page one of this thread? Seriously, everytime I open this thread I feel a shudder when I see his face.

When I see pics of him (like the Chandlers) makes me wanna punch him in the face. That backstabbling lying traitorous b@$^@#%!

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks guys. It's a funny thing, because I find it surprisingly easy to talk about, mainly because I feel no shame for what happened to me and refuse to dwell in victimhood.

I find the MJ child abuse cases very interesting, saddening and conflicting in equal measures. I would rather slit my wrists than tell someone else who has been through it how to feel, or to deny the validity of someone elses experiences, but the fact is, people are falsely accused, it happens everyday. And I personally feel very strongly that victims of child sexual abuse have a duty not to do anything that casts other victims in a poor light, and the way I see Wade carry on just makes me sick. People like him make it HARDER for victims to come forward. When your story is ever-changing, when you make ludicrous claims like you didn't realise anal rape wasn't normal behaviour, when you say that your alleged abuser taught you to believe in the goodness of mankind... the list goes on and on and it is simply not the way somebody who is truly hurting from childhood sexual abuse behaves.

I know it's not unheard of for victims to defend their abusers, but I am forming my opinion on Wade based on the way he has conducted himself since making his allegations, and he has done so appaulingly. And what troubles me greatly is when people start making connections between failures in their professional and personal life and the abuse they encountered. I think this is treading on very shakey ground.

The fact is, nobody knows the extent of the effects child abuse has on somebody into adulthood. I appreciate that everybody is different, and some people never truly come to terms with what has happened to them. I guess in that respect I am lucky. But this whole mentality that you can blame everything you don't like in your life on your sexual abuse just pisses me off. Going around saying that you can't work, that you dropped out of uni, that you coulda/shoulda/woulda been this, that or the other but it was your sexual abuse that stopped you from fulfilling these things does nothing to empower other victims. And there is no proof that it was the abuse that stopped you from doing these things.

I have experienced many of the textbook symptoms that victims of child abuse often go through as adults, I have struggled with crippling social anxiety, depression and all sorts. It could be a result of my abuse, but it is more likely down to my family history of mental illness. To be honest, I don't really think it matters what caused it, it can never be proven and I choose not to spend a lot of time dwelling on what happened to me in the past. Bad things happen to good people all the time and we are all shaped by the experiences we've had both good and bad. But it's impossible to say "I am like this because of what you did to me, therefore I am entitled to x amount of money". It doesn't work like that, if only life was that simple.

All you can do as a victim of any kind of abuse is to try and not be defined by it and to try to seek justice to stop this happening to more people. And seeking justice isn't just about seeing your abuser locked up. It's also about helping other victims by sticking to the truth, being credible and not using your experience as a card to be played in the pursuit of money/pity/attention/blame.

This reminds me of this song by the Proclaimers where people refuse to take responsibilty for their own actions and failures and always want someone else to blame.


No sexual abuse ever happened to these men, they just claim that because that's how you can get money and that's the easiest way to attack MJ since there is already a stigma on him and they hope that will help them to get to that money they so desire. But their real problem is that they are bitter that their lives did not turn out to be the way they wanted. Robson seems to have had some sort of early mid-life crisis (probably resulting from his familial mental illness) where he realized he is fed up with showbiz and would rather just spend the rest of his life on Hawaii doing nothing. I can see the tremendous pressure his mother put on him as a child to succeed, but now he tries to divert that bitterness onto MJ - because that's how he sees the rest of his life financed. That and him not becoming a new Spielberg like MJ "prophecized". Instead of admitting he just didn't have that talent he blames MJ for "setting him up" for that failure by motivating him to focus on films.

And Safechuck clearly had showbiz ambitions and he blames MJ for not helping him enough to achieve them. That bitterness also comes through in his complaint. Now he wants to blame it all on MJ, but the fact is he performed in ads already before MJ and as Myotosis posted on the previous page it appears even after MJ he was involved in film work and we know from his complaint he also was in a rock band until the early 2000s (BTW, this story is also left out from the latest version of his complaint) and when it didn't go anywhere is when he started to live an average, 9-to-5 life. Probably remaining bitter that he didn't manage a schowbiz career and blaming it on MJ's lack of helping him instead of just accepting it wasn't meant to be for him.
 
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The new lawyers seem keen to remove evidence of 'jealousy' from Safechuck's 2nd complaint. They are desperate to try to show that MJ had other friendships, but they've removed the part about Safechuck crying when Brett stayed with MJ.

First complaint:

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2nd amended complaint

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Robson gets ally in Jackson abuse suit

James Safechuck's allegations against Michael Jackson are disturbingly similar to Wade Robson's, their lawyer says.
Source: AAP
21 SEP 2016 - 6:26 AM UPDATED 50 MINS AGO

Robson had been one of Jackson's greatest supporters, testifying at the entertainer's 2005 criminal trial in Santa Barbara that the singer never sexually abused him.

Robson's evidence was key to Jackson being acquitted.

It's obvious what the media are trying to do here. Let's ignore the fact that Michael was acquitted in 2005 since the acquittal was based on a lie anyway.
 
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It's obvious what the media are trying to do here. Let's ignore the fact that Michael was acquitted in 2005 since the acquittal was based on a lie anyway.

yep! it's so obvious.. they are trying desperately to act like MJ wasn't fully acquitted in 2005 and they are totally ignoring Wade's under oath testimony.. It won't work. Fortunately these are tabloid articles.. The mainstream still hasn't mentioned these lawsuits or their amended complaints.
 
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@myosotis

Good point about the omittions. I noticed they left out Brett from the Jam story now. Although earlier they do mention MJ's attention shifted to Brett and I think there is some indication at jealousy on his part, but they did remove this story about James crying because Brett got to sleep in MJ's room and not him.

James Safechuck's allegations against Michael Jackson are disturbingly similar to Wade Robson's, their lawyer says.
Source: AAP
21 SEP 2016 - 6:26 AM UPDATED 50 MINS AGO

You don't say they are similar? When they have the same lawyers it must be so surprising. LOL. If you ask me, they are too similar - suspiciously similar, down to similarities in the way they discovered they allegedly had been abused. Down to not knowing what was wrong or right until recently. Down to looking at their children and somehow that being the big epiphany to them. Down to imagining/visualizing their kids going through abuse. Etc. etc.
 
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yep! it's so obvious.. they are trying desperately to act like MJ wasn't fully acquitted in 2005 and they are totally ignoring Wade's under oath testimony.. It won't work. Fortunately these are tabloid articles.. The mainstream still hasn't mentioned these lawsuits or their amended complaints.

This is what their are totally missing he was clear of all 14 charge and Wade defend Michael.also in 2005 by saying nothing happen Wade own words. Now you are saying this man abuse you for 7 years. Sorry Wade this will not work that why you have watch what you say because your words will come back and haunt you.
 
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Wow. These two must be the only ppl on the planet who thought child rape was wrong until they became 30 somethings. What an amazing coincedence.?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Make-believing that MJ's companies are "schools", MJ is a "teacher" and Robson/Safechuck are "students" and also that MJJP/V paying for hotel and food is an "employment". LOL. So everyone who ever got catering from any company was made an "employee" of them by that. Yeah, right.


Do you think this would be enough to survive demurrer? Just them claiming that Safechuck was an employee, even when he was not
is enough to establish duty of care?
 
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Why? Because they're not doing media whoring like Wade's lawyers do? We all remember Mark Geragos and his infamous media appearances at the early stages of the trial. Judging lawyers by this criteria makes Mesereau a very lazy one compared to Geragos and Zonen, do you think he is?


I agree. These press releases are not getting much attention anyway.

Honestly cuz the silence is making Mike look bad to the public and the public presume " oh this must be true cuz they are keeping silent"
And this is why they need to speak up more somehow
 
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Honestly cuz the silence is making Mike look bad to the public and the public presume " oh this must be true cuz they are keeping silent"
And this is why they need to speak up more somehow
Nope-not yet. Remember the only place this is being reported is the worst of the worst trashy tabloids-do we care what those readers think? They're just scum.

It's like Michael used to say "Why call more attention to it?" They're doing the right thing for now. Calling it "silly" just dismissed it as being immature and insignificant.
 
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In my humble opinion the estate is doing the right thing. If this whole stupid debacle comes to court it should be the lawyers who have the voice. As fans we have already pulled everything apart and caught the plaintiffs as well as the law firm they are now using telling lies, amending things, leaving things out. It's all smoke and mirrors from them. Hopefully the judge will see through the smoke and make the correct decision and acquit the whole thing. Time will tell.
 
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Most of the gen public neither know or care about this case. Its harldy been reported on except in the low life tabloids and ppl who read those types of papers are the uneducated masses who believe what ever they read. The estate bringing attention to this and giving the enemy what they want (publicity) will not change those ppls minds. Why even care what they think ppl made their minds up years ago.. cant you see the game the enemy is playing yet you want to fall for it hook line and sinker
 
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That may be true for now, but if Wade manages to get this to a trial, the coverage will be much more widespread and a lot more damaging I fear.

why? don't forget he has about 25 years worth of under oath testimony,live interviews, magazine interviews, tv shows etc where he, his sister and his Mother praise MJ over and over again.. Putting all of that praise together at one time to show a jury what he was originally saying about his alleged molester will damage him especially when it can be shown he made these allegations 4 years after MJ died, and when he failed to secure the directing gig to do a tribute to his alleged abuser :mello: It will show his money motive and his revenge against the estate for not hiring him to direct the show.
 
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That may be true for now, but if Wade manages to get this to a trial, the coverage will be much more widespread and a lot more damaging I fear.

Yeah i agree. But interms of fighting it in the press now.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Whilst that is all true, do you think the media are going to care about those things or report it in a non-sensationalised, non-biased way? Of course not. Look at the 2005 trial and compare what actually transpired in the courtroom to what the media chose to report. There is a reason the general public were largely shocked when MJ was acquitted, and it's because the news channels and newspapers led everyone to believe that he was guilty and was going down.

True... well it's the companies that are being sued this time.. I doubt the members of the companies who are being sued will remain quiet. I can't see Norma Staikos staying quiet about being a madame or a procurer of child abuse :black_eye: We will see though. I am hoping this judge will toss this case being as if MJ's companies did nothing that Wade's team is accusing it of.
 
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True... well it's the companies that are being sued this time.. I doubt the members of the companies who are being sued will remain quiet. I can't see Norma Staikos staying quiet about being a madame or a procurer of child abuse :black_eye: We will see though. I am hoping this judge will toss this case being as if MJ's companies did nothing that Wade's team is accusing it of.

I just wonder why she has not said anything yet. If some asshole accused me of this I would send him to hell.

They keep saying that those companies hired MJ. If that was true Safechuck's former lawyers already would have included that
in the complaint. Can they survive demurrer by blatantly lying?

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They also say that Safechuck believes he was employed by those companies and his compensation
was food and wardrobe etc.
Is there a legal basis for that? Can someone be an employee in the US without a contract and salary?
And is it enough for Safechuck to say that he believes he was an employee to pass demurrer?
Shouldn't he state the fact that he was employed by this and that company and specify the time periods?
 
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^^I would find it silly that anyone can claim that there were employed by somebody with no contract and paid by food and wardrobe!
Its like I go a make a claim against Apple and say they employed me by giving for and clothes, but no contract?

It doesn't sound right.


Anyways, about the estate replying tabloid stories. No no no and no.
I cannot remember which case was it, but the estate replied something to media (could have been Mann case, maybe Ivy remembers it?), and that was taken by opponent and used against the estate in the court room.
They do not give anything away, especially their ammo.

If you feel like you don't want to read garbage of MJ in tabloids, don't read it.
I don't think that the estate attorneys are there to do do what you want them to do. They do what is best for MJ and the case.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Unfortunately, no matter how this will go down, Michael, the Estate, and their lawyers have a disadvantage of not giving the media the slander that they want compared to the accusers. Wade claims horrible things that are more likely to make headlines while the Estate responses are not. Headlines about an alleged sexual abuse are more interesting than headlines about denying it. Wade is giving them what they want because this is their game. It's not going to change with another statement unless they are going to fight back with stories about Wade but I think it'll look bad. At this point the interest in the case is very little and only circulates in the lowest tabloids and not the mainstream media. And for James it's worse.

Hopefully, with a good judge and a fair jury, being scandalous won't help a case that doesn't provide any real evidence and has no legal stand. I'm not against stating Michael is innocent and the truth will prevail in court but for now it's not a necessity.
 
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^^I would find it silly that anyone can claim that there were employed by somebody with no contract and paid by food and wardrobe!
Its like I go a make a claim against Apple and say they employed me by giving for and clothes, but no contract?

It doesn't sound right.

I just wonder whether in the US there is some precedent for that.
These lawyers say so many stupid things it's hard to see what is totally baseless and what is not.

Also, weren't the Safechuck's MJ's own guests like the Chandlers and Gotham Chopra?
What evidence is there that those companies paid for food, hotel, wardrobe anything?
 
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