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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Jussie doing this (allegedly) is really sad and stupid. I thought hihhly of him up til this point, of course loving how he reps Michael often and has lyrics tatted on him.

Buttt... I see this as a perfect example of how someone can convincingly make up a story and ACT well enough for people.to buy into it.

If Jessie could do this why couldn't Wade or James who have more to gain from it? That should be headlines once the HBO doc airs.

Will it though?
 
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Articles about lisa and Michaels sex life now? This is growing and going everywhere..
 
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KOPV said:
Jussie doing this (allegedly) is really sad and stupid. I thought hihhly of him up til this point, of course loving how he reps Michael often and has lyrics tatted on him.

Buttt... I see this as a perfect example of how someone can convincingly make up a story and ACT well enough for people.to buy into it.

If Jessie could do this why couldn't Wade or James who have more to gain from it? That should be headlines once the HBO doc airs.

Will it though?
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I didn't know he was a fan, but yeah that changes nothing.

I really hope the show Terrell is talking about will do the same for MJ because God knows how much that is needed right now. And then let's hope all kinds of news shows and stuff will cover THAT as well.

But something tells me their biggest focus will be talking about more shit about MJ, treating W&S as victims and crap like that.



KOPV said:
Articles about lisa and Michaels sex life now? This is growing and going everywhere..
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Slow news day I guess then, lol.

Lisa said all there was to say about their sex life during her last MJ interview with Oprah.
 
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Here is some old information about Sneddons history of malisious prosecution. They spelled his mane wrong in the webadress though.. http://www.mjfancommunity.com/snedon.htm

This is the real story imo that the Michael Jackson case was just the most famous vendetta in Santa Barbara.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Get used to seeing these around London for the next 4 weeks. Don't **** with MJ fans. We know the truth. <a href="https://t.co/xMFE1plp4S">pic.twitter.com/xMFE1plp4S</a></p>&mdash; SmoothEmJay #JusticeForMJ (@roboemjay) <a href="https://twitter.com/roboemjay/status/1096814263396679680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">yet ANOTHER person defending mj in regards to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> documentary (@ nathan_cavaleri on instagram), he met michael when he was a child. what will it take for people to understand that dan reed ONLY included wade and james in his biased project to tarnish mj’s legacy <a href="https://t.co/y3LxFGU5GY">pic.twitter.com/y3LxFGU5GY</a></p>&mdash; luce (@biebsxmj) <a href="https://twitter.com/biebsxmj/status/1097229786789888001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From the Estate of Michael Jackson &#10084;&#65039;&#128081;&#10084;&#65039;<br>Hello <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a>:<br> <br>We came across this video posted by a former signee to Michael’s label sharing his (truthful) experiences interacting with Michael… <a href="https://t.co/NUXxI9VwkS">https://t.co/NUXxI9VwkS</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1097281669457895426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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Hello #MJFam:
We came across this video posted by a former signee to Michael’s label sharing his (truthful) experiences interacting with Michael and his companies.
Something else to share, and remind the world that THIS is the real Michael Jackson.
https://www.facebook.com/1777195975...ichael-jackson-when-i-was-/10158426670952588/

Also, please start using #MJTruthSquad when posting true stories about Michael or pointing out the lies and inconsistencies in Robson and Safechuck's tales.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To the entire <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a>... THANK YOU &#128588;&#127997;. You’re dedication and loyalty to my beloved uncle will ALWAYS be appreciated. My Uncle always talked about his fan support and today you are showing that love right back. Words can’t thank you enough for fighting the leeches of the world. &#128591;&#127997;</p>&mdash; TJ Jackson (@tjjackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tjjackson/status/1097108838812172289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#128591;&#127997; thank you Emmanuel for speaking up. <a href="https://t.co/xH6bTqAg0h">https://t.co/xH6bTqAg0h</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1097549869735006208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t see many minorities in that press audience. Is this on purpose? Unfortunately, I’ve noticed a serious lack of non-white representation in the overall UK press. Race definitely plays into all of this. <a href="https://t.co/ppq18BgG1E">https://t.co/ppq18BgG1E</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1097556049874214912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I attended the &quot;Who's Bad&quot; Michael Jackson tribute band concert last night because they are my fave tribute band &amp; I needed to be surrounded by MJ love. They always have a lot of folks at their show &amp; had 600 people last night in the venue! There was a line waiting to get in. <a href="https://t.co/WSf2haHRL0">pic.twitter.com/WSf2haHRL0</a></p>&mdash; &#128142;&#128081;MJsAngelOfMusic&#128081;&#128142; (@IndigoStarr777) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndigoStarr777/status/1097189361144217601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Honestly, I just don't see a non-MJ fan sitting through four hours of this film.</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1097319362447400960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is a bit out of topic but I am sure that Evan Chandler sued Jordan at some point. I think it must have been some time during the autumn 2006, not so long after he got a permanent restraining order but can&#8217;t find anything about that now, just a brief mention of it here https://mjthekingofpop.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/jordan-chandler/ anyone remember that? Also I have been thinking what if Robson and Safechuck are somehow behind mjfacts sites (?).
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

non fans will definitely watch it, it does not take a fan to get caught up into the media frenzy that surrounds Michael Jackson. Look at the ratings of the news stations in 2005, it wasn't just fans watching. The whole world was!
 
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Oh heh, so the UK press is seeing it for themselves now huh? Guess we're gonna start seeing all kinds of ridiculous articles tomorrow then. Well I sure won't because I'm not gonna look them up.

Let's see if they condemn MJ because of how horrible this "documentary" is and how bad they feel for the "victims", I think they will. They've been doing nothing but that ever since it was shown at Sundance and I see no reason for them to start treating MJ fairly now. They are definitely going to judge him without knowing ZERO what these two liars are really about.

I wonder what it's gonna take before this turns into a Jussie situation, in that people are starting to wake up and NOT jump to conclusions. The reason that this change has happened in the Jussie case is because police made it known that due to their own investigation the tables were turned. I don't see this happening for MJ.

Oh man, the more I think about this the more I tell myself there's a place for people like Reed, W&S. A place called hell. I can already see some journalists tweeting out how powerful this trash was and while we as fans send facts, they just will ignore it or just say again how good the "documentary" is. So far judging on comments from people that have seen it you would start to believe this trash actually provides evidence, but it really doesn't.

We basically have two guys here who are exactly like Arvizo was with disgusting details and lies, only difference is that was not being recorded and was in the court room and now people get it told to them straight in their face. Which is definitely worse but really nothing different.
 
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A huge thing we need to remember and be thankful for compared to 2005.. The internet has grown so much in the last 15 years, (maybe I am just having an optimistic moment.. which lately I have gone back and forth) but NOW, the media may be forced to see that they can't just state stories when the general public can fact check reports in the matter of minutes.

Once that docu-series is completed (hopefully in the coming months?!?!) I really hope it highlights even the current use of the medias stories, mixing 1993 debunked stories, giving wrong dates and so on..


If we can find a way to call this out on a large stage, the media will get backlash like never before.
 
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Oof that bus thing is cringey and a bad idea. I get the intent but it's absolutely gonna have the opposite effect.
 
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^ yup, it promotes the documentary even more. Comes from a good place, just a bad idea to make (basically) billboards for it.

All those people that drive by one and see it will go home and google it.. "what was that michael jackson sign all about.. oh sh** I gotta see this"
 
KOPV;4241629 said:
A huge thing we need to remember and be thankful for compared to 2005.. The internet has grown so much in the last 15 years, (maybe I am just having an optimistic moment.. which lately I have gone back and forth) but NOW, the media may be forced to see that they can't just state stories when the general public can fact check reports in the matter of minutes.

Once that docu-series is completed (hopefully in the coming months?!?!) I really hope it highlights even the current use of the medias stories, mixing 1993 debunked stories, giving wrong dates and so on..


If we can find a way to call this out on a large stage, the media will get backlash like never before.
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Exactly. It depends on personality ofcourse but people should know that there was a trial in 2005. Michael died in 2009 and a lot of people should wonder why they are making these serious allegations now then they didn&#8217;t before. Even my 70 year old parents nowadays if they wonder about something they use their iPad and they Google it.
 
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Just took a look at the comment section of the MJ innocent project video and one dude keeps saying he finds it odd how he was always traveling with boys, in the same bed as them etc etc, and while this isn't proof of any abuse he definitely thinks he was attracted to them. See I just don't get that way of thinking at all, why does it always have to be something like that?

Besides there weren't only boys on his trips, girls were there too and I believe most of the time he brought their families with him too. I just don't get why these people think in such simple ways, don't they think that MJ maybe surrounded himself with children so much because he was a big kid himself? That he knew they wouldn't take advantage of him? He hung around with children a lot so there must be something here....

People, people, people... you've a lot to learn still.

This reminds me of a radio DJ on Dutch TV a long time ago, it was after MJ was gone though. He said MJ visited Holland and he had a kid or kids with him and he found it all very weird, odd, questionable, sigh.
 
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^ just share the pictures of the kids parents on that same trip.. and children were part of.his act in concert. It wasnt just James safe chuck on stage.
 
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Uk media etc getting viewing now. BBC radio five afternoon presenter tweeting at the viewing anouncing interview on his show with reed. has retweeted vogul article in past weeks. No doubt now getting brainwashed.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
Uk media etc getting viewing now. BBC radio five afternoon presenter tweeting at the viewing anouncing interview on his show with reed. has retweeted vogul article in past weeks. No doubt now getting brainwashed.
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But that should not always happen, if this person retweeted that article by Vogel it should mean he/she knows about both W&S now. More so about Robson compared to Safechuck, he/she would need to read the estate letter for more on Safechuck. But also retweeting something indicates that this person thinks highly of it.

This director isn't some kind of magician that can just change the mind of this person just like that. This person should stay objective and take everything he/she has read and knows now into account.

Let's hope this person will.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
But that should not always happen, if this person retweeted that article by Vogel it should mean he/she knows about both W&S now. More so about Robson compared to Safechuck, he/she would need to read the estate letter for more on Safechuck. But also retweeting something indicates that this person thinks highly of it.

This director isn't some kind of magician that can just change the mind of this person just like that. This person should stay objective and take everything he/she has read and knows now into account.

Let's hope this person will.
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I don't have high hopes they will, at all.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
I don't have high hopes they will, at all.
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Yeah I get you on that. But the fact that this media person retweeted it hopefully means something. Maybe the mind of this person isn't so easy to sway and will actually ask some very tough questions to Reed, you never know.

At the same time I doubt it too. On the other hand never say never I guess. Because again, look at how quickly people turned on Jussie Smollett now, now that seems to be mostly thanks to the police who clearly informed the media about their updates on the investigation. And MJ won't get that, we won't get that. We can only hope to have at least ONE objective journalist who isn't so easy to fool.
 
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KOPV said:
Predator?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--r6fXYCHN...AAAvw/SSwdD8K8H9Q/s1600/walt_disney_happy.jpg

https://www.waltdisney.org/sites/default/files/walt_childstars_1_0.jpg


Where are the parents? Why is he always seen with kids? And how about his room he had at Disneyland overlooking the park? Sounds pretty sinister to me...


If I wanted to make it that! But not mr. DISNEY!
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You're absolutely spot on with that.
 
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This is what they actually are saying according to people on Twitter..
 
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I'm really not mentally or emotionally prepared for this to air.
 
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AlwaysThere said:
I'm really not mentally or emotionally prepared for this to air.
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Ditto, it's like a dark cloud hanging over me, Wade and James have sold their souls to the devil
 
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La74 said:
This is what they actually are saying according to people on Twitter..
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So a "good one" at that screening leaked this then? This person says the person on the stage at the screening tells everyone to just say "watch the film" whenever we (fans) debunk their crap?

If true, wow. That's the media for ya.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
But that should not always happen, if this person retweeted that article by Vogel it should mean he/she knows about both W&S now. More so about Robson compared to Safechuck, he/she would need to read the estate letter for more on Safechuck. But also retweeting something indicates that this person thinks highly of it.

This director isn't some kind of magician that can just change the mind of this person just like that. This person should stay objective and take everything he/she has read and knows now into account.

Let's hope this person will.
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If the presenter has read and retweeted the Vogul report then he is in a position to challenge Reed, we hope, Reed must feel like he's won the lottery
 
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So a "good one" at that screening leaked this then? This person says the person on the stage at the screening tells everyone to just say "watch the film" whenever we (fans) debunk their crap?

If true, wow. That's the media for ya.
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Now then I read it again maybe it was just somebody beeing sarcastic. I&#8217;m not really sure so take it with a pinch of salt.
 
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