Judging by twitter the worst things are the faxes ("love letters" lol), talking on the phone for "up to 7 hours", and sleeping in the same bed. I believe those are the things that are being considered as "proof" other than the graphic sexual stories. A lot of people comparing it to "Kidnapped In Plain Sight" and "blaming" the parents. Anything I'm missing? I'll be downloading it later to watch it.
MJ sent letters saying "I love you" to all kinds of people. He was always telling people he loved them. I've seen loads of notes over the years. I wonder if they are collected anywhere. He's also known for talking on the phone for hours. This means nothing.
I like Corey Feldman but he is a bit messed up and i am not surprised after what he went through in Hollywood. I have just watched the whole thing , now I have to admit Safechuck comes over ( to an impartial person ) imo as VERY believable. Robson not nearly so convincing but again it's a bloody tough watch. The UK papers are going to have field days over this and I can honestly see MJ's music being blacklisted. I do not believe MJ surely was capable of these things and I do not believe he did it but some of the faxes and messages on them are just plain weird . I'm sorry but they are. This of course is probably just MJ's playfulness but something has to be said about this by the family because this is going to be extremely damaging.
What did the notes say exactly?
It is just things you would not write to a child , things like love you , I miss you "my little one" , the lullaby also is just creepy. I am only talking impartially I will have to go back and look at part 1 , they are sent to the mother / son it is made to make it look like they are sent to him but i think that is Reed trying to spin it in a twisted way. I don't believe MJ did these things it's just upsetting to watch what I have just watched . I feel the whole thing is just a horrible tragedy. If they are lying then they should be charged with purgery but they know they can't be touched and they can say anything they want.
I don't see anything wrong with saying "I love you" or "I miss you". "My little one" is borderline with the "my", but can be totally innocent.
Without "my", (the quotes I've seen don't say "my") , I don't see how anyone can even twist that to be something bad.
How close were the families at this point? This is the proof? What was the lullaby?
This is sad, look at the some of these faxs. They were clearly opportunist from the get go and MJ was nothing more than a friend who tried to help them.
"Tell little one to read my message every night before sleep. I will practice because practice makes perfect. "
Little one thanx for being my friend also love always.
Is that it? The thing is, nice and innocent things, and the way MJ talked can be twisted to something else by people watching this who don't know much about him.
Yeah, you do make a lot of sense with your post. It's quite smart of these three men to play it like this. For us trying our best to defend Michael it's gonna be more difficult because when we say "they constantly defended MJ" the doubters will say it's because they were in love with MJ and did it to protect him. The man/boy love thing, basically NAMBLA. So they claim they enjoyed these sexual encounters with him but only at a much later age realized it was abuse. That's how they're playing it?
BUT, here's the thing. That clip of where he's at Jimmy Kimmel. He fully defended MJ there too, and he easily was in his twenties there. Which brings me to this, do they cover that at all? Do they cover at all that even at 20 years of age he didn't realize it was abuse? Not to mention the ridiculous timeline. Only after he was denied the Circque role he turned around completely and all of a sudden he realized it.
That's what I will tell these doubters next time.
Yeah and wasn't Wade in his early twenties during the trial where he testified in defence of MJ? This 'in love' and not realising the abuse does not work to explain that because the trial detailed abuse allegations and he was questioned extensively so he knew it was wrong then. Also If I remember correctly he wasn't only asked about sexual contact or abuse during the trial, they asked it in several ways, they also asked it in a way to find out if there has been any contact taking into account that wade may have not thought it was abuse/sexual contact. There will have been abuse experts there/advising who knew how to ask.
I have experienced molestation, no way near as extreme as these two claim. I had a similar kind of relationship as they claim, grooming, loving, kindness. Reading my diary for that time when my molester died, it's kinda obvious I was groomed. (I burned those pages now). I didn't ' enjoy' anything, I just froze or was distracted/not realizing what it was - But again, mine wasn't as extreme, nobody was naked, I wasn't doing anything to him, on several occasions I remember he was touching me with his hands and rubbing against me with clothed private parts. As a child I think I always felt something was wrong in the back of my mind, probably because that behaviour wasn't coming from anyone else. I think I fully realised in high school, sometime after age 12 or 13. If I had been involved in a trial at that age, like Wade was as a 20+ yr old adult, I think I'd know. NOPE, he cannot pretend he didn't realise it then, it doesn't matter if he was 'in love', he 'd still know it was wrong.
And their accusations are so extreme that they'd know it as soon as they are a teen, if not before, that it's not normal behaviour.
Whether they thought they were 'in love' or not. When they are exposed to the world, hear everything that's said about this stuff, and see and have real relationships and realise nobody else is having any sexual relationship like that. And when they are part of the trial.
If they're saying they didn't realise it was abuse, and they were still in love until 2013 or whatever, like wade said, that's not believable. If they are saying they always knew/knew for a long time, but didn't tell because they felt something/sorry for him (which can be true), didn't want to upset their families or didn't want to say anything for whatever other reason, that would be more believable.
I'm supposed to believe a kid/teen thinks nothing of a man taking his penis out and furthermore puts it in his mouth... children/teens know private parts are private don't they? they wouldn't be shocked? They were really groomed and manipulated that much? really? (what age was wade/james when they claim this first happened?), And continued to, and not to realise that's abuse until 2013??? A grown married man with plenty of experience, and ex of Britney Spears.
And like Elusive said, these two males, who are not gay or bisexual, think how a young/teen boy is going to react to a man doing something like that, really, they wouldn't think it was wrong??
And I am mad at Dan Reed comments that make it seem kids and adults can have loving sexual relationships, no they can't!
In short, they can get away with all the lying under oath, because they claim they protected Michael by lying. And they did so because they were in love with Michael, had a great sex life wih him and were crazy about him and did not realize that there was anything wrong with the relationship. They then did everything to protect him because they loved him so much. They were traumatized when MJ moven on to Culkin and Jordan Chandler, heartbroken. But they still LOVED Michael and thats why they went on to lie about it all these years. Thats what they are arguing and thats what the media is buying and writing about.
This makes the public accept them as credible because they have explained why they lied under oath and lied about everything during all these years. Thats the key here!
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By saying the enjoyed the sex, they can sell the story that the love Michael and protected him because of that. If thee sex was a disaster and violent, they would not be credible in saying they were protecting him all these years.
See where I am coming from?
You can't still think this in your early 20s, which wade was. It's not believable. I can think of other reasons not to tell, which can include a weird wanting to protect them but still knowing what they did was wrong, because you had some kind of emotional relationship. But not these reasons.
They are truly messed up in the head if they still thought that then.
Re-watching part one with Razorfist now, and I wanted to highlight one part that I missed:
Safechuck, on his first sexual experience with Jackson: "I don't have any unpleasant memories, other than not being able to pee. It felt like were bonding in a way. The tour was the start of this sexual, like, couple relationship."
He smiles while saying this. He ****ing SMILES.
A grown man who was supposedly molested and had battled with anxiety for years over memories of his abuse gets in front of a camera and grins when discussing the first time Jackson touched him.
EDIT: Would anybody be interested in a beat-by-beat rundown of Razorfist's comments? He's making some phenomenal points that I didn't even think of. It's fascinating.
I find it very hard to believe that any victim would say this, and let alone smile. I say this as a victim myself, and what happened to me was much less than what they claim happened to them. I know kids can be manipulated in certain scenarios/actions and to think it's a loving relationship, but I don't know about in cases with the specific accusations they give and don't still believe it when they're grown, and look back with
no unpleasant memories etc.
I'm looking at this with a lot of suspicion, and not just about whether it's true or not, but also ulterior motives, along with some other red flag comments by wade and dan.
