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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

mjchris said:
ok the photos cant be fake... look...

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I think it doesn't prove that. Cause I automatically accepted it is Safechuck that was put in them, not Michael. The question is if Safechuck was there that day.
 
aqwsz said:
In my opinion that doesn't prove a thing. It's because he lied under oath that it was rejected. But so many people have lied under oath for whatever reason. It's just that the court has made it's decision and doesn't want to come back on it because it actually hurts the court (and the public opinion of the court) if they admit they made a mistake.

The whole speaking under oath thing is hundreds of years old and needs to be revised. It doesn't mean a thing.
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Check out Thomson's article. It's more than lying under oath why it was thrown out. And again, Wade's diary, you think nothing of that? Maybe it's just me but I consider that a smoking gun or at least very close to one.
 
aqwsz said:
In my opinion that doesn't prove a thing. It's because he lied under oath that it was rejected. But so many people have lied under oath for whatever reason. It's just that the court has made it's decision and doesn't want to come back on it because it actually hurts the court (and the public opinion of the court) if they admit they made a mistake.

The whole speaking under oath thing is hundreds of years old and needs to be revised. It doesn't mean a thing.
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Why do I have a feeling like you want to think that Michael is guilty of something and you desperately fight for it to be true. Just like we are fighting to proof that it is not true. Why fight it so much? Everything what we say in here you fight it off. Why it is so hard to believe in Michael?
 
magic said:
I think it doesn't prove that. Cause I automatically accepted it is Safechuck that was put in them, not Michael. The question is if Safechuck was there that day.
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the place is legit. Michael looked the same like in Moonwalker. also legit. So its 100% sure that Michael is on that photo. And there is not difference between michael and safechuck. Hair is normal.
First i thought the shadows are not normal. But after seeing the secong photos. Everything is normal with this photos.
 
mjchris said:
the place is legit. Michael looked the same like in Moonwalker. also legit. So its 100% sure that Michael is on that photo. And there is not difference between michael and safechuck. Hair is normal.
First i thought the shadows are not normal. But after seeing the secong photos. Everything is normal with this photos.
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agreed, it looks normal.
 
aqwsz said:
In my opinion that doesn't prove a thing. It's because he lied under oath that it was rejected. But so many people have lied under oath for whatever reason. It's just that the court has made it's decision and doesn't want to come back on it because it actually hurts the court (and the public opinion of the court) if they admit they made a mistake.

The whole speaking under oath thing is hundreds of years old and needs to be revised. It doesn't mean a thing.
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Dude, wtf?!
What you are writing doesn't make sense. If you can't trust people who come with the facts against Wade, you can't trust judges who rejected his trial based on him LYING under oath several times, you can't trust serious journalists who do investigative work, than what can you trust?!
If he was caught lying under oath, doesn't that convince you that he may be lying now for a lot of money?

On a positive note: yesterday, there was talk in my country (several newspapers coming with the same article) of whether MJ's music should be banned on the radios. Today, while out shopping, I have heard in two different stores, on two different radiostations Beat It and Another Part of Me. I was smiling inside!
 
The documentary is seriously emotionally manipulative but also far too long and very dull. (Even as an mj fan)

The viewing figures aren’t great in Uk and were terrible in US

I watched it. I found parts of it believable. Both families are broken and have a load of issues they seem to all blame Mj for.

I can’t trust these men though. Both on the verge of going broke then issue a claim for millions.

I also think Dan Reed is morally broken to bring Brett and Mac into it to the extent he did. Absolutely disgraceful. All to sound more credible they sling two more ‘victims’ under the bus. Wade says everyone should come to their truth in their own time. Yet he ‘outs’ two ‘victims’ on tv infront of millions? Scum.
 
Not sure if this was brought up (again, I'm about 15 pages behind), but an interesting bit of news...

James Safechuck was being sued for around $150k in 2013.
Right around the time he supposedly "remembered" his molestation.

I saw the court document just this morning on Twitter, but I cannot find it. I'll report back soon!
 
AlwaysThere said:
Not sure if this was brought up (again, I'm about 15 pages behind), but an interesting bit of news...

James Safechuck was being sued for around $150k in 2013.
Right around the time he supposedly "remembered" his molestation.

I saw the court document just this morning on Twitter, but I cannot find it. I'll report back soon!
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Yes, it was posted. Here are these documents. I had them still opened in the tab ?https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.564084.1.0.pdf
 
Can someone who has moonwalker look in the long credit which appear in the end of the movie if james name appeared there somewhere to know if he had a statistic role in moonwalker.
I know that all parts of moomwalker have seperate credits there.
Speed Demon too.
 
aqwsz said:
In my opinion that doesn't prove a thing. It's because he lied under oath that it was rejected. But so many people have lied under oath for whatever reason. It's just that the court has made it's decision and doesn't want to come back on it because it actually hurts the court (and the public opinion of the court) if they admit they made a mistake.

The whole speaking under oath thing is hundreds of years old and needs to be revised. It doesn't mean a thing.
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So you think that Judges said " oh, they lies under oath, so it's rejected " ?
And you believe them in a documentary and you consider that judges made mistakes ?
 
magic;4247255 said:
Yes, it was posted. Here are these documents. I had them still opened in the tab ​https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.564084.1.0.pdf
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Thank you!

So in April 2013, Safechuck and two other people were being sued for a minimum of $840k. Most of the requested fees came with the "in excess" label, meaning that the court could easily raise the amount higher. And that's not even considering the court costs, attorneys fees, and various other punitive damages the lawsuit asked for.

That amount could've easily exceeded $1mil.
If split three ways, Safechuck would've been on the hook for around $333k.
And this all happened LESS THAN ONE MONTH before Robson went public with his lawsuits.

Consider this: you're a computer programmer, a job that makes a decent living but likely won't give you a heavy bank account. You're sued over a failed business arrangement, and you'll be on the hook for around $300k minimum if you lose. Suddenly, news breaks that one of Michael Jackson's longtime friends is accusing him of child molestation and is suing his estate—which, last you heard, had generated over $500mil in the five years after his death—for god knows how much money.

What do you do?

EDIT: Apologies. There are only two names listed on the lawsuit; the third is a company name, in addition to 180 "Does" (likely employees and/or workers).
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Can someone who has moonwalker look in the long credit which appear in the end of the movie if james name appeared there somewhere to know if he had a statistic role in moonwalker.
I know that all parts of moomwalker have seperate credits there.
Speed Demon too.
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Safechuck's name isn't anywhere on the IMBd registry.
 
Erandi said:
Dude, wtf?!
What you are writing doesn't make sense. If you can't trust people who come with the facts against Wade, you can't trust judges who rejected his trial based on him LYING under oath several times, you can't trust serious journalists who do investigative work, than what can you trust?!
If he was caught lying under oath, doesn't that convince you that he may be lying now for a lot of money?
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That's what I call him " The Denial of judicial work " .
 
aqwsz said:
In my opinion that doesn't prove a thing. It's because he lied under oath that it was rejected. But so many people have lied under oath for whatever reason. It's just that the court has made it's decision and doesn't want to come back on it because it actually hurts the court (and the public opinion of the court) if they admit they made a mistake.

The whole speaking under oath thing is hundreds of years old and needs to be revised. It doesn't mean a thing.
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I see through you dude

Crawl back to the rock you came from.

Same applies to the other user Speed87.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Can someone who has moonwalker look in the long credit which appear in the end of the movie if james name appeared there somewhere to know if he had a statistic role in moonwalker.
I know that all parts of moomwalker have seperate credits there.
Speed Demon too.
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AlwaysThere said:
Safechuck's name isn't anywhere on the IMBd registry.
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I'll check now as iMDB isn't always accurate.
 
Overall I think this documentary is just hugely unfair and immoral

Dan Reed keeps saying “watch the film and make your mind up” ... I mean to start with he is asking us to watch a majorly biased piece of propaganda. But it goes further than that because he’s not letting us make our mind up. At the end of the doc all mJ fans are portrayed as deranged loones who somehow support paedophilia. So it seems we are not actually allowed to make our own mind up as the only acceptable conclusion for Dan Reed (and the majority of the media who have done no research and don’t seem to even realise there’s a civil lawsuit etc) is that mj is guilty.

Fed up with this. Totally unfair. If I was accused of a crime and the world was told to judge me based on a documentary like this where statements are interspersed with scary music and triggering images I’d be pretty devasted. Poor Michael
 
AlwaysThere;4247260 said:
Thank you!

So in April 2013, Safechuck and two other people were being sued for a minimum of $840k. Most of the requested fees came with the "in excess" label, meaning that the court could easily raise the amount higher. And that's not even considering the court costs, attorneys fees, and various other punitive damages the lawsuit asked for.

That amount could've easily exceeded $1mil.
If split three ways, Safechuck would've been on the hook for around $333k.
And this all happened LESS THAN ONE MONTH before Robson went public with his lawsuits.

Consider this: you're a computer programmer, a job that makes a decent living but likely won't give you a heavy bank account. You're sued over a failed business arrangement, and you'll be on the hook for around $300k minimum if you lose. Suddenly, news breaks that one of Michael Jackson's longtime friends is accusing him of child molestation and is suing his estate—which, last you heard, had generated over $500mil in the five years after his death—for god knows how much money.

What do you do?

EDIT: Apologies. There are only two names listed on the lawsuit; the third is a company name, in addition to 180 "Does" (likely employees and/or workers).
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I'm sure the lawyers of the Estate knows that, and worked on that in the trial.
 
MJJ2theMAX;4247268 said:
Overall I think this documentary is just hugely unfair and immoral

Dan Reed keeps saying “watch the film and make your mind up” ... I mean to start with he is asking us to watch a majorly biased piece of propaganda. But it goes further than that because he’s not letting us make our mind up. At the end of the doc all mJ fans are portrayed as deranged loones who somehow support paedophilia. So it seems we are not actually allowed to make our own mind up as the only acceptable conclusion for Dan Reed (and the majority of the media who have done no research and don’t seem to even realise there’s a civil lawsuit etc) is that mj is guilty.

Fed up with this. Totally unfair. If I was accused of a crime and the world was told to judge me based on a documentary like this where statements are interspersed with scary music and triggering images I’d be pretty devasted. Poor Michael
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You consider it " I watched it. I found parts of it believable. Both families are broken and have a load of issues they seem to all blame Mj for "
And now " Overall I think this documentary is just hugely unfair and immoral "
Which one is your opinion ?
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Can someone who has moonwalker look in the long credit which appear in the end of the movie if james name appeared there somewhere to know if he had a statistic role in moonwalker.
I know that all parts of moomwalker have seperate credits there.
Speed Demon too.
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AlwaysThere said:
Safechuck's name isn't anywhere on the IMBd registry.
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No.Safechuck's name doesn't appear in the credits of Moonwalker.
 
Sorry but for me the three pictures with MJ and James looked all fotoshoped to me and a friend from me thinks the same.

In the first picture with MJ wearing the red jacket she says James child-head is too big compare to the others.
And the transintations between the two seames to be man-made.

When people wear black it is easier to fake transintations
But something in the close up picture with the two sitting on the bed is not right to me.
Look at James and MJs inner Legs and James outside contour. It semes that original picture of James has a black backround.
The way the two legs and the two arms contacts each other seames not right.
 
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magic said:
Did I understand it right that it is set to be released on DVD on April 22??? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leaving-Ne...2056622&sr=8-1&keywords=Leaving+Neverland+dvd

Talk about not making money...
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Who's going to buy that?
It got little enough views when on TV.

The drone shots of Neverland was to entice fans to watch it as we all love seeing round that place.
They were hoping fans were going to boost ratings ten fold.

It'll probably be the worst selling DVD of the year.
 
Ultimately non of us were in the room- we can’t know. The documentary is deliberately manipulative and it does get you to empathise with these boys/men. But you do need to remember there’s millions at stake for them here. Plus I would say- as well as putting yourself in their shoes- we should put ourselves in michaels shoes too. How would you feel if the whole world was asked to judge you based on a one sided documentary where ‘victims’ testimony is interspersed with scary music and disturbing images. It’s totally immoral. I can’t say I don’t have doubts about Michael, but there’s no way I’ll play Dan Reeds game and play judge and jury here. For starters, he is a disgraceful director for bringing Brett and Mac into this documentary and giving them no warning and no right of reply. Dan Reed is pure evil for doing that for money and ratings. And they say they care about victims? Disgrace.
 
The reason the NAZI director wants us to watch this garbage FAKEumentary is $$$ for himself, and his two certified liars.
 
Nobody is buying that, for starters nobody buys DVD's anymore anyway.
 
Whoops. Caught in another lie

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Kelly Lofthouse
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Whoops! Wade’s wife said in doc that she didn’t know anything about child molestation but in the charity page it SAID (now changed) that she is a victim too! 🤔

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