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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

L.T.D said:
Today for the first time I feel like we are winning. Based off just my Twitter I'd say it's about 70% positive to 30% negative. Some polls I've seen reflect that.
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Of course we are going to win. The facts are on our side. I've been posting all day on a huge music forum defending MJ like crazy and I've gotten so many messages asking for details or thanking me for shedding light on the truth.

I am being rational, fair and simply posting facts and it is all you need. Level headed is the key!
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4247495 said:
Anyone in Holland watched the panel that they were gonna have? I would like to know if they had maybe one person in there with knowledge about the two subjects or if they were basically all... well.... sheep?
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Watching it right now. Will report back. So far I’m laughing while watching the documentary because it’s so obvious when those two are lying and when they are telling the truth. The truth stops after telling how they met Michael and how beautiful Neverland was.This documentary is laughable.
 
Wade, his wife and his sister are lying about the timeline of their dinner at Neverland in 2005 to help spin their narrative. Proven.

Wade's wife can not keep her story straight about whether she was abused or not. In Leaving Neverland she says she had no idea about child sexual abuse and it's effects. One way or another, she is lying. Proven.
 
The Last Leg, a popular comedy chat show in the UK ran a Twitter poll about whether it was okay to listen to MJ’s music and 57% said that they would still listen to him. They also made a few MJ jokes that got a mixed response from the in studio crowd which prompted the host to say “He was a horrible human being!”.

This was on Channel 4, the same station that aired LN, so I wasn’t expecting any objectivety.
 
dam2040 said:
Does anyone have any info on Latoya and her little stunt in 1993?
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She talked on Larry King that she did it and lied due to Jack Gordon. In September 1993, she was on Geraldo defending MJ. In December 1993 she came out with her trash.
 
I think we should maybe sepparate the Forum in the MJinnocenters and the MJdoubters /influencers.

Or get one or two working threads only for the MJinnocenters where no doubters and influencers can post that we don't must waste our time over and over again to argue with them!

Is this possible?

Or another question...
Are there other MJ forums active in the internet were I can find 95 percent of the MJinnocenters?
I would love to escape to this place since this blocked JCO8 is active here again!
 
I agree. There’s a thread for doubters and yet certain people keep insisting on posting here regardless. Others then keep engaging in (well intentioned) long discussions with them and it’s dominating the thread. I don’t want to read these discussions. I’m spending all day defending Mj on social media. I come back here to re-stock and it’s all going down here too!
 
The bickering in here really is tiring. If you're bored can you go and play solitaire or something instead if coming here to purposefully get under people's skin
 
Speed_Demon87;4247507 said:
I can think what I want. Your bullying and aggressive tactics of trying to force feed me facts won’t work darling.

Dismissing Robson and Safechuck’s timeline is wrong because they were only kids at the time. You can defend MJ all you like but unfortunately the world know recognise him as a dirty disgusting paedophile who not only groomed the kids, but the parents too with his power and fame.

In the UK, he’s up there with Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile now....

If this was John Smith from next door you would all have your pitchforks out ready to tie him to a tree.

You’re Dutch are you not? PS, why does your Orange County support Racists and wear blackface?

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Bullying and aggressive tactics? Wow, yeah.

You know what? This is where I draw the line. Today is a day to be happy about for me and you certainly aren't going to ruin that. Multiple people have just given you the facts and I did too. I obviously didn't mean the timeline of when these shits were youngsters. Quite ****ing obviously I was talking about when Wade was a grown ass man at 23 and also in his 30s. His timing how quickly he changed his narrative from wanting to work for Cirque du Soleil and being denied the role and then turning around completely. You know damn well I was talking about.

Really, all day you've made clear what you believe and you've been ignoring any helpful advice given to you. Bullying and aggressive. Hahahaha, oh my!
This recent new development of doubting him is just sad, pathetic and tiresome really. I'm done trying to respect it too. ****ing hell. I don't like your hostile tone one bit.

Again, today was a good day.

Bye!
 
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The Admins should create a groupe with a separate forumpart for the MJinnocenters.
This must be possible technically.
Then the MJ haters/influensers can't also not read our posts there.
 
What the hell is this? Get off the forum it's bad enough when it's on Twitter. I'd love to know this guys join date.
 
We are separating the weak from the strong through this, would love to know how many of these doubters became fans just before or after his death. First time they've been tested and they crumble!
 
Speed_Demon87;4247521 said:
You come across as very arrogant and well above your station. What gives you the right to put my opinion down because you don’t agree with it?

What gives you the right to assume you’re a bigger fan than others? Who put you on such a pedestal.

It’s people like you who give the MJ community a bad name . He could have been abusing kinds in front of your face and you would still defend it.

Absolute nut job!
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I'm arrogant and above my station. This person here, really.

Who came with the hostile attitude? Not me. Also, what are you even blabbing on about? You've selectively been ignoring all the friendly advice (oh so aggressive, lol) and keep harping on about your doubts. I've said it just now and I'll say it again.

And you say this shit again about how I would still defend him if he was abusing a kid in front of me. Man if I was a mod I would have banned you rigjr there. Talking about crossing a line here!!!!! You call me a nutjob, but you're the one that's totally lost it here.

Bye.

Really just f off already.
 
Speed_Demon87;4247526 said:
It’s not untrue, every second or third comment is people saying how much of a disgusting monster he was etc. How could people be so blinded or I’ve know for years that he was a pedo blah blah.

There’s even a momo version of Michael our there now he’s he most famous and talented child molester in history.

That’s the opinion of the general public now.
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From ignorant morons....the worlds full of them.
 
Speed_Demon87;4247526 said:
It’s not untrue, every second or third comment is people saying how much of a disgusting monster he was etc. How could people be so blinded or I’ve know for years that he was a pedo blah blah.

There’s even a momo version of Michael our there now he’s he most famous and talented child molester in history.

That’s the opinion of the general public now.
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That's not what I've seen and I've literally been on Twitter none stop for close to a week with this. It's about 60% in his favour to 40% at worst.

His music is flying up the charts.
 
It’s not untrue, every second or third comment is people saying how much of a disgusting monster he was etc. How could people be so blinded or I’ve know for years that he was a pedo blah blah.

There’s even a momo version of Michael our there now he’s he most famous and talented child molester in history.

That’s the opinion of the general public now.
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Cut to the chase. What is it you want from us? You came here to say your bit, but what do you want to happen now?
 
Again.. is there a other forum active who is much better for the MJinnocenters or must I join facebook and search an MJinnocenters group?
 
I'm just gonna say it here now, i hope people like Speed Demon will receive a ban. Beyond tired of posters like this that truly feel like I am talking to a hater. This poster earlier today already said that we'd still defend him if proof came out that he did it and now this poster said it to me personally, you've really REALLY gone too far there mister/woman.
 
There is a list of proofs that they are lying and covering sh** up... It's time for it to be REPORTED! It's beyond annoying that even though it's out there.. it's not reported pretty much anywhere..
 
aqwsz said:
I can only speak for myself but at the age of 11/12 I knew about sex and masturbation and I was already very curious about it all. I can still remember myself looking at lingerie models in clothing books even at an earlier age. If someone had touched me at that age I'd probably feel very uneasy but if it kept happening I perhaps would have started liking it (rather quickly in fact ). Because it does feel good.
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When you were 7 years old, would you have wanted to give oral sex to a 30-year-old man? Would you have been looking forward to that? Because that is what Wade said in the documentary. He was not only receiving oral sex from Michael, he was also performing oral sex on Michael, and he was looking forward to the next time they would do it.

Only a pedophile could seriously believe that 7-year-old children like putting a grown man's penis in their mouth. They are really going with the Nambla narrative there.

But somebody should back up if it's true that he had different kids around him every 12 months because that's what is being claimed in the film, that would be idd suspicious behavior.
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He also had new adult friends around him every 12 months. Michael was a friendly person, nothing suspicious about that.
 
Joy says in the documentary that she doesn't want to hear the sexual details of the abuse because it would give her nightmares: "I don't want to know too much about what went on. I don't want to have that discussion with him. That would give me nightmares. I don't want to hear that. So I have not really had a discussion about the sexual side of it."

Interesting thing to say in the same documentary where Wade describes the sexual abuse in such unnecessarily graphic details.
 
Speed_Demon87;4247536 said:
To acknowledge that MJ had his flaws.

That’s all.

I’m so ****ing angry at Michael for screwing up his own legacy. He could have been known as the greatest ever without these horrendous allegations.
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I believe we all accept he had flaws,no ones perfect at the end of the day.
One of his flaws was being too naive.
 
Speed_Demon87;4247536 said:
To acknowledge that MJ had his flaws.

That’s all.

I’m so ****ing angry at Michael for screwing up his own legacy. He could have been known as the greatest ever without these horrendous allegations.
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Yeah ok we all agree with you and give you standing ovations!
Whould you leave the forum to stop your Harassment and let us in peace???
 
Speed_Demon87;4247536 said:
To acknowledge that MJ had his flaws.

That’s all.

I’m so ****ing angry at Michael for screwing up his own legacy. He could have been known as the greatest ever without these horrendous allegations.
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Don't you think it's time to call it a day now. You're entitled to your opinions, no one is trying to take that way from you. But your behaviour on here is inappropriate. Just take some time away from the internet and calm down.
 
Lol at wanting us to admit Michael had his flaws. Please just stop talking shit already. Several times we've spoken about how it's far from a great idea to have children that aren't his sleeping in the same bedroom, he definitely in certain ways made himself a target. The 90s should have been a wake up call to the good man.

But really, it doesn't matter what we all tell you. You didn't even take your own advice, I was friendly with you. At first I didn't even bother with all this doubting stuff, it was like whatever. But when you just keep harping on about it, ignoring all the advice given to you....wtf do you want from us? And you're personal attack on me is just pathetic. Hope you're proud of yourself.
 
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