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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

AG5050;4248335 said:
I appreciate your dislike of him but that’s not an appropriate thing to say with no concrete reason or evidence to back it up.
Considering we are all here trying to defend Michael against the same accusation fans really ought to know better than to say things like this.
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Here the thing. this guy Dan is too desperate to talk about someone else in a large forum without proof. When I speak of him, I am saying often times people like that are hiding something that is why they are so driven to accused someone else without merit. he looks like he is getting a kick out of this. Something is not right with this guy. This is not a subject anyone should look that joyous in covering and twisting lies.
 
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Did someone know something about the tent village in Neverland?
When was this created?
Maybe it was created after James was arround.
Can we proof that the tents are not big enough for an adult and a kid having sex inside?
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Reed is definitly an NAMBLA-
member and and racist!

We only need the proof.
Look how he speaks about peodofilia.
Not as something criminal or evil.
LN are his sick fantasies!

Maybe someone must loook into the dark net to find out of Reed is an NAMBLA-Member or has an connection to Victor G. !

I find it sad that even under MJs videos the lynching Mob don't let the fans in peace and must heras them and insult them.

The estate should block those people or close the comment sections under MJ videos.
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Exaxtly.
 
If the Estate funded the doc. it would just come off as the "jackson machine" at work again.. They need to publically stay away from it.
 
Hiding the comments is the wrong way to go, people would have a field day with that. Let people say what they want, theres always a fan to say something back or drown them out. Eventually it will go away anyway.
 
Speed_Demon87;4248338 said:
Based on what? Because he’s trying to bring Michael down?

I’ve just watched the second part of the documentary tonight and yes hearing the family become so upset does seem genuine and I don’t think you can fake that.

I can totally see how individuals could believe these stories to be true. The part involving their own children and the thought of that happening to them really shocked me.

However, we all know that these same individuals are also after millions and have told lies in the past. Wade coming out with this shit after being rejected for the cirque show etc.
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Why do you care in what I say about him? Is he caring about what he is saying in a world wide doc about MJ? NO. And please, people can fake emotion especially when money is involved. I can tell U plenty of stories of fake criers in my line of work let alone in a doc where taping, editing, retakes, etc exist.
 
L.T.D said:
Hiding the comments is the wrong way to go, people would have a field day with that. Let people say what they want, theres always a fan to say something back or drown them out. Eventually it will go away anyway.
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Hmmmm...I think this is going to go on for a while.

If the comments by the haters are upsetting some of you that much though just don't scroll down.

Nothing we can do right now. The hate is at an all time high.

Either defend Michael when they make insulting comments or ignore them.

I've been arguing with all of them on "YouTube" personally. I want to help spread the truth as much as I can.
 
The point is that our problem is he calls Michael a pedophile without proof. Us calling him a pedophile without proof makes us no better, even if we are only retaliating.

Dont do it, itll make us look hypercritical.
 
The tent village existed definitly in 1993 cause he invited in this year children to Neverland and there is a photo with them in the tent village, but I think it was maybe build later in this year and he invided the children when it was new cause we didn't see it in the oprah interview.
What is interesting....
Why should MJ not show ophrah the whole amusment park?
Why should he show her not the tent village when it whould have existed at that time?
 
What's the big deal about him not showing it to Oprah? You think he was trying to hide something?
 
Cinnamon234 said:
What's the big deal about him not showing it to Oprah? You think he was trying to hide something?
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No I think it is possible that the tent village didn't exist til 1993 and MJ couln't abuse James there.

As far as I remember James abuse ended in 1991 am I right?

I wish I had twitter to ask karen faye when the tent village was build.
 
If you disagree with the MJ haters on Bluray.com you get banned.
Shows you the mentality of some people over there.
Absolute bellends.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
No I think it is possible that the tent village didn't exist til 1993 and MJ couln't abuse James there.

As far as I remember James abuse ended in 1991 am I right?
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This is actually a really interesting point. It reminds me of the claim about going to Euro Disney in 1988 when it wasn't open until 1992.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Who is he tell us more.
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He wrote a book advocating for man/boy love using Michael as the "poster boy." His goal seemed to be to normalize pedophilia. Amazon stopped selling it due to the outcry from Michael Jackson fans. That was around 8 years ago.
 
Speed_Demon87;4248372 said:
I don’t particularly care if I’m being honest but think it comes across as sour grapes a little.

I agree that people can certainly fake cry and make stuff like this convincing, especially for television.

At the same time, why on earth would you really put your family through this and be exposed to the world and potentially caught as liars if even some of this was not true? That’s the part that I’m struggling with a bit and it’s making me feel extremely uncomfortable.

It’s a total mind ****!
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Because there's hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, that's why.
 
Speed_Demon87;4248372 said:
I don’t particularly care if I’m being honest but think it comes across as sour grapes a little.

I agree that people can certainly fake cry and make stuff like this convincing, especially for television.

At the same time, why on earth would you really put your family through this and be exposed to the world and potentially caught as liars if even some of this was not true? That’s the part that I’m struggling with a bit and it’s making me feel extremely uncomfortable.

It’s a total mind ****!
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Family through what?Nothing happened!
Their families are in it to get a slice of the money pie.

People lied about having family in the WTC on Sept 11.
The same lies were told a year or so ago in London with the Grenfell tragedy,all to get compensation.

People can be absolute scumbags,especially when money is involved.
 
Silverstone said:
Family through what?Nothing happened!
Their families are in it to get a slice of the money pie.

People lied about having family in the WTC on Sept 11.
The same lies were told a year or so ago in London with the Grenfell tragedy,all to get compensation.

People can be absolute scumbags,especially when money is involved.
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Exactly
 
I just listened to Brandi's new interview. Did I hear this right, Brandi said that Wade was sleeping with an underage girl?
"Wade is sleeping with Britney, he's sleeping with this person's wife, he's sleeping with this underage girl."

Michael was so sweet:
"One of my uncle's biggest thing he used to always say to me was, "Is Wade treating you well? Is he opening the doors for you? Is he being respectful? That's how a man should treat you. If he's not treating you like that, you need to put him in his place or tell me."
 
The media in the US is so absolutely disgusting that if it was proven Wade was even dating a 12 year old they would completely ignore it.

Anything negative towards Michael is first priority. That is a rule.
 
Did That POS DBAG loser Dan Reed heavily edit the film now so it's 3 hours so he could take out all of his f*** ups?

LOL my god. The guy actually IS as DUMB AS HE LOOKS
 
G-B_24 said:
Did That POS DBAG loser Dan Reed heavily edit the film now so it's 3 hours so he could take out all of his f*** ups?

LOL my god. The guy actually IS as DUMB AS HE LOOKS
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We can't get caught up with this as it is necessary to edit the film if TV channels want to keep the 2 hour running time while also having room for commercials.

If he edits it for the DVD... then make that argument.
 
Random late night rant:

I'm tired of seeing so many publications call MJ fans "cultists" and "conspiracy theorists," as if we haven't provided more corroborative evidence to support our side in a single pro-MJ article than they have since Leaving Neverland was announced.

Plus, how on Earth are they ballsy enough to call US the conspiracy theorists?

To believe what Leaving Neverland says, you need to believe that MJ operated a child molestation scheme so committed that not a single credible witness or victim has verified its existence nearly a decade after his death, so selective that only five or six "survivors" exist from a pool of thousands of children, and so covert that the federal government was unable to find any proof of its existence after a 12 year investigation, extended periods of surveillance, five separate raids of his houses, two failed grand juries and a third that ended in an exoneration, and the inability to establish MJ as reckless or irresponsible enough to make a single ****ing misdemeanor charge stick.

On what planet does that make ANY sense whatsoever?
 
My Opinion : Taj should have the help of the Estate, Estate lawyers have all documents about trials. You can't make a doucumentary with Jermaine Jackson talking.
For me, I prefer that his documentary being like a " Law Documentary".
Why not inviting Judges from the
2005 trial.
 
That youtube guy, h2hd or whatever his bloody name is, disgusts me. My 15-year-old brother showed me the video (my brother LOVES Michael Jackson and believes 200% that Michael is innocent and that Leaving Neverland is horrendous) and there is a part where the guy shows a video from "Living with Michael Jackson" by Martin Bashir... you know, the critized documentary. Anyway, he shows a scene where Arvizo says "And Michael said if you love me, you'll get into the bed" and says that is proof of grooming... I looked up that video and saw that part, literally right after Arvizo says that him and Michael talk about how Michael would sleep on the floor.

A few moments later, that youtuber guy shows the scene where Michael says he believes it is okay to "share his bed" and again, shows grooming. And again, the actual video shows Michael talking about sharing his bed with the kids while he sleeps on the floor.

Like, I can't even deal with this anymore. I am disgusted with the blatant controling of the narrative. The youtube guy literally left out parts that went against his view/point, just so he can show that Michael was grooming. Disgusting that you could do that.
 
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