Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

it was discussed a little last month in March. About Rudi Dolezal. He was also talking shit the last week here in Austria, on radio and TV. All the bullshit he allready mentioned.
So i decided to Upload his comments, statement, Interview from the "Akte03" Discussion, from 2003 on tv channel Sat1, in Germany. That was the discussion for "Take 2" (german title was "Michael Jackson-Jetzt rede ich", shown on two seperate days).

no comments about plastic nose, and other bullshit. Now totay, he just tells all the media bullshit. All the weird stories that came from the media.

sorry, but its just in german, without subs...

 
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it was discussed a little last month in March. About Rudi Dolezal. He was also talking shit the last week here in Austria, on radio and TV. All the bullshit he allready mentioned.
So i decided to Upload his comments, statement, Interview from the "Akte03" Discussion, from 2003 on tv channel Sat1, in Germany. That was the discussion for "Take 2" (german title was "Michael Jackson-Jetzt rede ich", shown on two seperate days).

no comments about plastic nose, and other bullshit. Now totay, he just tells all the media bullshit. All the weird stories that came from the media.

sorry, but its just in german, without subs...


Never heard of the guy, probably best to keep it that way it seems.

I just wonder when it's finally just gonna go away. Yes it's fantastic that his music is doing great and how plenty of sources are now reporting on all the BS in the mockumentary, but today with this Aaron Carter bullshit on top of it. Idgaf if he was trolling or not but why are people doing this? If they truly cared about the guy they wouldn't do this, on top of that causing a small shit storm on Twitter for the fans. Why do that? Tired of it.
 
elusive moonwalker;4254785 said:
And the point of the below is?😕

Press Statement from The Estate of Michael Jackson

Los Angeles (April 12, 2019) –As a global icon, Michael Jackson made history and headlines throughout his life, and he is making history and headlinesonce again -- this time as perhaps the only person to be placed on trial after death. He is not being tried in a court of law, of course, but he is being judged in a court whose repercussions can be just as lasting, if unchecked or unchallenged: The court of public opinion.



However, in the case of Michael Jackson and “Leaving Neverland,” judgment about the King of Pop is being made based on one-sided tales by two men with a track record of inconsistent stories and whose recounting of incidents and information was never fact-checked by the film director’s own admission. Now that the film has aired, the facts and truths about the two accusers are coming to light.



Just as HBO recently decided to pull “Leaving Neverland,” from its programming lineup due to multiple discrepancies in the two accusers’ statements in the documentary, it is time to now share some critical facts that many people may not know.



First, let’s consider some important questions that should concern us all.



When does a person’s right to protect his or her good name and legacy end? Does it end when they die and can no longer defend themselves against allegations? In that case, doesn’t an individual like Michael Jacksonstill have the right for people to judge him or her on the facts and not on a series of one-sided tales when that person cannot stand up and say, “The allegations against me are categorically false! Here are the facts!”Is it fair or just that someone can attempt to rewrite history or tarnish a deceased person’s legacy with uncorroborated statements dressed up as truths?



These are critically important questions that every person around the worldshould be asking in the wake of the controversial HBO documentary “Leaving Neverland,” and here is why.


Some Undeniable Facts​



First, an event unprecedented in the documentary film world occurred during the week of April 8, 2019, when the film’s director, Dan Reed, admitted that there are several discrepancies in the accusers’ story. James Safechuck, one of two accusers in the documentary claims that he was assaulted in an upstairs room at the Neverland Ranch train station from 1988 to 1992 but construction on Neverland’s train station did not start until late 1993 when the ranch received permits. The station was not even partially opened until 1994, which can be verified through state of California public records.



Second, and equally disturbing, is that Mr. Reed admits that he did not fact check the stories that Safechuck and Wade Robson tell in the film, despite the fact that he devotes four hours to their tales and took more than two years to do the film.



Mr. Reed uses selective editing and false claims in an attempt to discredit Mr. Jackson’s 2005 acquittal on child molestation charges.



“Leaving Neverland” presents a series of uncorroborated tales and allegations against Michael Jackson by two accusers who are in the midst of appealing a lawsuit for millions of dollars against the late pop star’s estate. They did not mention this in the film, but it is an indisputable fact that both men have a financial stake in participating in the film, particularly if it influences their appeals.



Mr. Robson and Mr. Safechuck had their lawsuits dismissed by the court twice for numerous provable inconsistencies in their sworn statements regarding alleged abuse by Mr. Jackson. The judge wrote in his judgment that “no rational fact-finder could possibly believe Robson’s statements.”



Mr. Robson and Mr. Safechuck swore under oath that Mr. Jackson never abused them or harmed them in any way. For more than two decades, publically and privately, both accusers denied that Mr. Jackson abused them.



Mr. Robson testified to this as an adult and under oath at Mr. Jackson’s 2005 trial -- a trial at which Mr. Jackson was found innocent of all charges by a jury of his peers in a court of law. He was Mr. Jackson’s first witness.



Of significant note is that during the 2005 trial, it was disclosed that Mr. Jackson had been investigated for child molestation by the FBI and other California law enforcement agencies for 10 years, costing millions of dollars, and they found no evidence that he had abused any children.



Another case in point is that Mr. Robson completely changes one of the critical moments of his narrative in the documentary from what he had said in his court papers as well as in a deposition taken just two months before he was filmed in “Leaving Neverland.” In in 2012, as he was attempting to write a book, he recalled so little about his interactions with Mr. Jackson that his mother had to fill in the blanks; her input did not include any references to the alleged abuse. However, in the film, unaided, Mr. Robson appears to have vivid recollections of specific events and alleged sex acts.


Numerous relevant facts are omitted from the documentary that would help viewers better decide the credibility of the accusers, including:



Michael Jackson was subjected to a lengthy and extensive investigation by law enforcement and the Federal Bureau of Investigation provided support to those investigations. The FBI website states, “Between 1993 and 1994, and separately between 2004 and 2005, Mr. Jackson was investigated by California law enforcement agencies for possible child molestation. He was acquitted of all such charges.”


Mr. Jackson’s home and offices were raided unannounced multiple times and his medical records confiscated, which resulted in no evidence of the allegations.


Mr. Robson met with Michael Jackson Estate lawyers in 2011to ask for a producer’s role in the Cirque du Soleil Oneproduction, based on Mr. Jackson’s music. Mr. Robson sued after he was denied the position. Also, he stated that he had no knowledge of the Michael Jackson Estate before March 4, 2013, even though he met with an Estate lawyer in 2011.


Mr. Safechuck falsely claims he was pressured to testify at the 2005 trial but had already been eliminated as a witness by the judge who limited witnesses to Mr. Robson, Brett Barnes and Macauley Culkin. In the film, he states that he decided not to testify.


Mr. Reed claims that Mr. Robson and Mr. Safechuck had not met until the Sundance Film Festival in January 2019 for legal reasons. However, in Mr. Robson’s deposition in 2016, he specifies that he had met Mr. Safechuck in 2014 while they were pursuing the cases against the Michael Jackson Estate.


Mr. Robson is shown burning Michael Jackson memorabilia as the credits roll but Mr. Reed neglects to mention that Mr. Robson, as the press reported, auctioned his most valuable items in 2011 to satisfy a cash flow shortage.

These are but a few of the many facts surrounding the tales presented as unchallenged truths in “Leaving Neverland,” most of which have not been widely or even limitedly released to the public but the public has a right to this information and a right to not have their freedom to decide what to believe circumvented by uncorroborated stories.



Finally, we began with a few questions and we will conclude with two more that we should all ponder: Is it wrong to question why these facts were intentionally omitted from “Leaving Neverland,” and perhaps most of all, is it fair or just for a deceased human being, whose voice has been forever silenced, to have his or herlegacy tarnished, diminished or even erased?



Michael Jackson’s music has been the soundtrack of our lives for 50 years. His untarnished legacy and his music belong to the world, and we should all want to preserve and protect these irreplaceable gifts.



Let your voice be heard at:



#IAM4MJ



#STAND4MJ



The Michael Jackson Estate

Worthwhile statement! I’m glad they released something.
 
How should we find out who is behind MJFacts and their connections???

There are only two possibilitys

1) You collect a hacker team which hacks the webside and their e- mail accounts what is illegal.

2) You try to expose them with an very good spy which takes a few months time.

Otherwise I see no chance.

IMO, Dian Demond is involved with MJFacts. This sounds like something that @#$&* would be involved in. You can bet that her foul stench is emanating from this entire LN farce. She IS involved in all of this.
 
IMO, Dian Demond is involved with MJFacts. This sounds like something that @#$&* would be involved in. You can bet that her foul stench is emanating from this entire LN farce. She IS involved in all of this.

Yeah I thought it too that Dimand, Guitirez or NAMBLA in general can be involved in this page or other ones which are linked on their hp or their channel.
Maybe it is supported by Wade.
But we can only speculate not more.
Its the same with the people who can be behind LN.
There we can also only speculate.
But we can't proove anything.
 
it was discussed a little last month in March. About Rudi Dolezal. He was also talking shit the last week here in Austria, on radio and TV. All the bullshit he allready mentioned.
So i decided to Upload his comments, statement, Interview from the "Akte03" Discussion, from 2003 on tv channel Sat1, in Germany. That was the discussion for "Take 2" (german title was "Michael Jackson-Jetzt rede ich", shown on two seperate days).

no comments about plastic nose, and other bullshit. Now totay, he just tells all the media bullshit. All the weird stories that came from the media.

sorry, but its just in german, without subs...


Never heard of the guy, probably best to keep it that way it seems.

I just wonder when it's finally just gonna go away. Yes it's fantastic that his music is doing great and how plenty of sources are now reporting on all the BS in the mockumentary, but today with this Aaron Carter bullshit on top of it. Idgaf if he was trolling or not but why are people doing this? If they truly cared about the guy they wouldn't do this, on top of that causing a small shit storm on Twitter for the fans. Why do that? Tired of it.


Did you guys have a problem with what Rudi said about Michael in that interview and if so why? Are you fluent in German and understood it all? In my opinion he was nothing but pro-MJ and talked very nicely about Michael. He said that the Bashir mockumentary showed more what kind of a person Bashir is than it showed how Michael is. He also politely told the host off when the host was asking about all the bullshit like plastic surgery, etc. and said he thinks it's a pity people concentrate so much on that and talk about that instead of his talent and music. He really had nothing but nice things to say. Has he said something bad about Michael in interviews now? Did he change his opinon? Because that would suck.
 
Ugh, Aaron Carter... seriously? Just when I think I can relax this shit pops up and I get all nervous again. At least we know about his previous defenses of Michael.

MJPoetryFan;4254714 said:
Speaking of celebs who have publicly supported Michael (or not) I tried to see if Tatiana Thumbtzen has said anything on Michael or LN and I can’t find anything. I couldn’t find her on any social media formats.

i know she defended him on Howard Stern’s show during the Jordi allegations but I don’t know if she said anything during his trial or now. Can anyone here tell me if she has publicly said anything and what she did say, if anything? Thanks ❤️����

Shit, I forgot about her... don't know if she's said anything.

KOPV;4254763 said:
Where did James claim the 1 way mirrors in the theater? Where did that story originate from.. Someone please answer! I am trying to put some final touches on things and I need to add the source.

Thanks!!!!!!

I took the plunge and searched the transcript of LN. He says there were big glass windows but nothing about a one-way mirror. Maybe it was said in an interview? Not sure where that originated, but it's sad if that turns out to be another goof from the fans.

Staffordshire Bullterrier;4254783 said:
Yep, saw it too. Her actually coming out and standing up for him would be even better but with a MeToo world today I get it, I do get it.

She seemed pretty firm about never speaking about him again after her NOprah interview. Not because she's sick of him but because she's trying to respect him.
 
Did you guys have a problem with what Rudi said about Michael in that interview and if so why? Are you fluent in German and understood it all? In my opinion he was nothing but pro-MJ and talked very nicely about Michael. He said that the Bashir mockumentary showed more what kind of a person Bashir is than it showed how Michael is. He also politely told the host off when the host was asking about all the bullshit like plastic surgery, etc. and said he thinks it's a pity people concentrate so much on that and talk about that instead of his talent and music. He really had nothing but nice things to say. Has he said something bad about Michael in interviews now? Did he change his opinon? Because that would suck.

I didn't watch the video but Mjchris said the dude today speaks all the bullshit to the media. Sounds like someone has changed his tune significantly, sadly. But I have no idea who the guy even is.

Ugh, Aaron Carter... seriously? Just when I think I can relax this shit pops up and I get all nervous again. At least we know about his previous defenses of Michael.



Shit, I forgot about her... don't know if she's said anything.



I took the plunge and searched the transcript of LN. He says there were big glass windows but nothing about a one-way mirror. Maybe it was said in an interview? Not sure where that originated, but it's sad if that turns out to be another goof from the fans.



She seemed pretty firm about never speaking about him again after her NOprah interview. Not because she's sick of him but because she's trying to respect him.

As much as this uncertainty about Aaron sucks, it probably will end up being nothing too special, plus we have no idea when his book his coming out. It's a pretty shitty thing to do from him though, he knows full well how we as the fans would react to this. We know better than to take headlines as gospel but these are his words, annoying, uncertain and ambiguous words.

As for Lisa, yeah that's definitely something I can respect. But if anyone is entitled to speak out against this and not be afraid of MeToo it's her. I didn't know this at first but a fan told me on Twitter that her ex was accused of pedophile stuff. The man she was with when she spoke about MJ for the last time.

This person also said that she wish she'd come forward in full support, because she had not forgotten about how Lisa totally trashed MJ after their divorce, never about anything with children but very negative about him. I knew about that one time at Oprah's show but I didn't know she went on many occasions to trash MJ.

But I'd like to believe her last words in 2010 were her true feelings. Sure seemed that way.
 
This is really nice.

I have never tweeted this before, and only my family knows, but one reason I will forever be loyal to Michael Jackson is because when I was a teenager and could not afford to pay my rent one month, Michael paid it for me. He had a heart of gold and wanted to help everyone.

Check out @KeyaMorgan’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/KeyaMorgan/status/1116824584202776577?s=09
 
By the way...I found a book in my bookshelf that lists dates of MJ events from 1969 until early 1997. Forgot I had it! Are there any dates or timelines open that you guys were trying to find info on? Here are some of the interesting things found (oh and I also have Katherine's book and found some interesting things in that too):

-James claims they picked up MJ from Havenhurst on Thanksgiving Day 1987. MJ was in Australia then and had a show in Brisbane. Not possible.

- Katherine also went on tour with Michael for the Bad tour in Europe. She mentions going sightseeing with Michael in Vienna, she was also in England in August when it was Michael's birthday and she also mentions being in Liverpool. And she mentions having been away from home for three weeks, so apparently she was on the Bad tour with Michael in Europe for three weeks. She mentions meeting him in his hotel room after the shows and having dinner with him and them just talking. Janet was also there in August for his bday show. Katherine also mentions how they flew back wiith MJ and went to Neverland after the European leg of the tour and before the American leg of Bad tour started and Michael showed her around at Neverland.

There are a lot of interesting facts. :)
 
Some people truly just want MJ to be guilty no matter what eh? Thanks to Aaron Carter we have these idiots on Twitter saying that Culkin should come out too. That they know he's in pain and needs to express this. They just want Culkin and others to be victims, it's bizarre and pathetic.

And when we present them with the facts they just go "yadda yadda yadda". **** people man.
 
We must rest assured that there were a lot of people in MJ's orbit during the entire LN timeline that will speak when they feel ready to do so. Don't allow their silence now to be misconstrued as support for the accusers or any of their claims.
 
Just watched Mike Smallcombe’s interview with CTV News.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ll be live on Canada’s <a href="https://twitter.com/CTVNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CTVNews</a> in less than five minutes to discuss the issues with Leaving Neverland <a href="https://t.co/zs097p7glN">pic.twitter.com/zs097p7glN</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1116840373672906753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Here’s the clip.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1659595
 
Some people truly just want MJ to be guilty no matter what eh? Thanks to Aaron Carter we have these idiots on Twitter saying that Culkin should come out too. That they know he's in pain and needs to express this. They just want Culkin and others to be victims, it's bizarre and pathetic.

And when we present them with the facts they just go "yadda yadda yadda". **** people man.
People like that I can care less. People like that have issues and that is their problem. I say u have to be one sick fool to desire someone to be abused.
 
Amaya;4254819 said:
I took the plunge and searched the transcript of LN. He says there were big glass windows but nothing about a one-way mirror. Maybe it was said in an interview? Not sure where that originated, but it's sad if that turns out to be another goof from the fans.
I'm also trying to figure this out. All I know is everyone was saying JS said so in LN, but it's not true. My husband (who's also a fan) actually had the stomach to watch it back in mid-March and said he didn't remember hearing that claim, so he re-found the theater part for me and we watched it together. And... nope. It's never said in the film, or even implied. Weird.

So, where did this come from? I had read most of the lawsuit documents in the old thread as they came available, but that was now a long time ago and I don't remember every little detail. Could this one-way glass BS have possibly come from there? I would think someone would have screenshotted it and tweeted about that by now, though, so I don't think it's there either. Not 100% positive, though, but...?

All I can find otherwise are some TABLOID articles (The Sun, Mirror, perezhilton and copy-pasters) from late JANUARY to FEBRUARY of this year, around the Sundance premiere, that claim it was something said in the movie. (Example from The Sun: "Safechuck, who says he took part in a creepy mock wedding at the star's home, claims that Jackson sexually abused him in a private box in Neverland&#8217;s movie theatre which had a one-way glass so no one could see inside." ) Since we hadn't had a 'chance' to see the fakeumentary yet or to get a transcript, maybe everyone just assumed it was an actual claim by JS and it got repeated over and over? Or was it from an interview??? I really don't know, but would like to. Anyone else?
 
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Yeah.... some things are good.. but they are absolutly not up to date with the lies and inconcistancys.
They should finally start to read our forum.^^

KOPV should maybe send them the fact thread.

I am thinking if it would be a great idea to reach out to the estate regarding the Parkfotage in LN.
Maybe they can find out in which documentary it was used in the closing credits.
When it was used in something which was produced by MJs companys when he was alive they maybe know the production...

Hey, what is it youde like me to do? Sorry, I have not been reading the thread in full.. have alot going on right now but trying to keep up with it all..

Ps. If you are multi languege, PM me and let me lol!
 
Ugh, Aaron Carter... seriously? Just when I think I can relax this shit pops up and I get all nervous again. At least we know about his previous defenses of Michael.



Shit, I forgot about her... don't know if she's said anything.



I took the plunge and searched the transcript of LN. He says there were big glass windows but nothing about a one-way mirror. Maybe it was said in an interview? Not sure where that originated, but it's sad if that turns out to be another goof from the fans.



She seemed pretty firm about never speaking about him again after her NOprah interview. Not because she's sick of him but because she's trying to respect him.

Thanks,

If anyone knows where that story of the 1 way mirror.. help us out. I have sent the document created to some important entities... with that in there, I need to make sure it's as factual as facts can be.. it's very descriptive so I need all that..

Sorry, for asking and not finding it myself.. I am in the middle of trying to set up media campaigns, trying to start up my own business, AND about to be traveling the next 10 days starting tommorow.

A bit overwhelmed
 
KOPV;4254830 said:
Thanks,

If anyone knows where that story of the 1 way mirror.. help us out. I have sent the document created to some important entities... with that in there, I need to make sure it's as factual as facts can be.. it's very descriptive so I need all that..

From what I know that story is a hoax created by media to hype up the film, and also to make it look like Neverland was a setup for abuse. I´v read all the court transcripts 10 times and seen the movie and read the entire movie transcript several times and its not anywhere. Since it was reported in media before LN was premiered at Sundance, I believe James had not been giving interviews by then either. My guess is that its a hoax since there is no source 2 months after it was being reported in tabloid press.
 
summer;4254822 said:
- Katherine also went on tour with Michael for the Bad tour in Europe. She mentions going sightseeing with Michael in Vienna, she was also in England in August when it was Michael's birthday and she also mentions being in Liverpool. And she mentions having been away from home for three weeks, so apparently she was on the Bad tour with Michael in Europe for three weeks. She mentions meeting him in his hotel room after the shows and having dinner with him and them just talking. Janet was also there in August for his bday show. Katherine also mentions how they flew back wiith MJ and went to Neverland after the European leg of the tour and before the American leg of Bad tour started and Michael showed her around at Neverland.

There are a lot of interesting facts. :)

Did Kathine ever mention in his her book a boy who could be James or a family, who could be the safechucks?
Did Kathrine selpt in the same hotel like Michael during Bad Tour Leg?
Was Kathrine with Michael in Paris, Rotterdam and Germany?

KATHRINE JACKSON AND MAYBE LATOYA HAS TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST JAMES ( in a recorded statement).
IT SEAMES THAT SHE CAN SAY A LOT ABOUT MJs TIMES WITH THE SAFECHUCKS WHEN HE LIVED AT HAYVENHURST AND WHEN HE WAS ON THE BAD TOUR.

Staffordshire Bullterrier;4254824 said:
Some people truly just want MJ to be guilty no matter what eh? Thanks to Aaron Carter we have these idiots on Twitter saying that Culkin should come out too. That they know he's in pain and needs to express this. They just want Culkin and others to be victims, it's bizarre and pathetic.

And when we present them with the facts they just go "yadda yadda yadda". **** people man.

This are people from MJFacts or their supporters.
They speculated on their page for weeks who could be the next to come forward and say he was moested by Michael.

Lightbringer;4254833 said:
From what I know that story is a hoax created by media to hype up the film, and also to make it look like Neverland was a setup for abuse. I´v read all the court transcripts 10 times and seen the movie and read the entire movie transcript several times and its not anywhere. Since it was reported in media before LN was premiered at Sundance, I believe James had not been giving interviews by then either. My guess is that its a hoax since there is no source 2 months after it was being reported in tabloid press.

Can you give me a 100 Percent sure answer if Jordan Chandler or his family ever claim that Jordan was molested by MJ at the Neverland Ranch to to debunk he story Wade tells in LN about Michael and Jordan as impossible?
 
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Here is the interview with the Neberland First Hand Director uploaded on non YouTube media channel MJFan- channel.
It is the same interview which was quoted in parts yesterday in an article.
So you don't need to support the article.
The live interview is much better

 
This sounds and looks soooo good at the beginning that I want directly share this 30 min long video before I watched it compleatly!

"MICHAEL JACKSON - REAL STORY!" from "Karaite Jews for Judism"
47 views on April 12 2019


And again we lost a great very well made long LN Debunking video.
If the creator will find the energy like the creators of Leaving Neverland Take Two to try to get it back?

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Can we find out when the other Neverland rooms did exist were James claims he was molested ?

It seames to me that they show in LN only matirial from James AND Micheal before 1990 exept from the History Trailar footage.
What is your impression?

I only saw a few parts from Wade in LN.
Where there later fotos with him AND Michael were he wear the short blond hairstayle.
We know that Wade had this hairstyle in the CNN interview, in the film from 1994, and in 1995 when he bought the History CD?
Did he had this hairstile also in the poctues WITH Michael they show in LN?
 
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How should we find out who is behind MJFacts and their connections???

There are only two possibilitys

1) You collect a hacker team which hacks the webside and their e- mail accounts what is illegal.

2) You try to expose them with an very good spy which takes a few months time.

Otherwise I see no chance.

I tried researching them but got nowhere. Need more time, skills and resources.

We could do it together. There are many people with the skills to find out who operates that website. And to disrupt it.
Long term.
 
Can you give me a 100 Percent sure answer if Jordan Chandler or his family ever claim that Jordan was molested by MJ at the Neverland Ranch to to debunk he story Wade tells in LN about Michael and Jordan as impossible?

The alleged molestation did indeed take place at Neverland among other places, according to Jordan Chandlers interview where he came out with the allegations.

Jordan Chandler alleged the molestation took place in the following places: In Evan Chandlers house, June Chandler/David Schwartz house, Michael Jacksons "hideout" apartment, at a hotel in Florida, at hotels in France, at a hotel in Monaco and at Neverland.

There were allegedly oral sex, masturbation, fondling, rubbing of genitals among bodies at all locations above, I believe only in France that there was no oral sex alleged.

Remember, Wade Robson is using Jordan Chandlers accusations that was leaked in full as a playbook for his own story. Its clear Robson has copied the details from the Chandler accusations, which explains him researching the Chandler allegations and emailing them to himself.

Robson has planned this carefully for many years, he would not make such a big mistake in the movie, to allege Chandler being abused at Neverland if Chandler had not mentioned it himself in his accusations.

Its a travesty there were no "discovery" phase in the case of Safechuck, that could have been key to exposing him and even making Leaving Neverland an impossibility.
 
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Never heard of the guy, probably best to keep it that way it seems.

I just wonder when it's finally just gonna go away. Yes it's fantastic that his music is doing great and how plenty of sources are now reporting on all the BS in the mockumentary, but today with this Aaron Carter bullshit on top of it. Idgaf if he was trolling or not but why are people doing this? If they truly cared about the guy they wouldn't do this, on top of that causing a small shit storm on Twitter for the fans. Why do that? Tired of it.

Did you guys have a problem with what Rudi said about Michael in that interview and if so why? Are you fluent in German and understood it all? In my opinion he was nothing but pro-MJ and talked very nicely about Michael. He said that the Bashir mockumentary showed more what kind of a person Bashir is than it showed how Michael is. He also politely told the host off when the host was asking about all the bullshit like plastic surgery, etc. and said he thinks it's a pity people concentrate so much on that and talk about that instead of his talent and music. He really had nothing but nice things to say. Has he said something bad about Michael in interviews now? Did he change his opinon? Because that would suck.

That was in 2003. Now he is talking the oposite.
He was director for at least Dangerous-Tour Munich 1992 Special (Live Special with Opening Concert) and Michael Jackson and friends Munich 1999. Mystery Drink Commercial. Maybe some Music Videos and Specials for Michael Jackson. Cant say at the moment what the other projects was.
I think he was director for some european Michael Jackson projects (TV, Videos, commercials in the 90s).

Here is what he is saying (video and audio):
https://www.krone.at/1898527
https://oe3.orf.at/stories/2974565/
https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/Studi...daBy6uYEGqQLwdI93thbIZ9xNhdcFzubCWAfb4szmJFko
 
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The alleged molestation did indeed take place at Neverland among other places, according to Jordan Chandlers interview where he came out with the allegations.

Jordan Chandler alleged the molestation took place in the following places: In Evan Chandlers house, June Chandler/David Schwartz house, Michael Jacksons "hideout" apartment, at a hotel in Florida, at hotels in France, at a hotel in Monaco and at Neverland.

There were allegedly oral sex, masturbation, fondling, rubbing of genitals among bodies at all locations above, I believe only in France that there was no oral sex alleged.

Remember, Wade Robson is using Jordan Chandlers accusations that was leaked in full as a playbook for his own story. Its clear Robson has copied the details from the Chandler accusations, which explains him researching the Chandler allegations and emailing them to himself.

Robson has planned this carefully for many years, he would not make such a big mistake in the movie, to allege Chandler being abused at Neverland if Chandler had not mentioned it himself in his accusations.

Its a travesty there were no "discovery" phase in the case of Safechuck, that could have been key to exposing him and even making Leaving Neverland an impossibility.

Yeah from Jordan, Gavin and Victor G. Wade and James have definitly the insporation for their storys.

But did jordan describe the molestaions like Wade described it in LN?
That Michael would play with kids in his suit and then disapear with Jordan and molest him in a closed room?


That was in 2003. No he is talking the oposite.
He was director for at least Dangerous-Tour Munich 1992 Special (Live Special with Opening Concert) and Michael Jackson and friends Munich 1999. Mystery Drink Commercial. Maybe some Music Videos and Specials for Michael Jackson. Can't say at the moment what the other projects was.
I think he was director for some european Michael Jackson projects (TV, Videos, commercials in the 90s).

Here is what he is saying (video and audio):
https://www.krone.at/1898527
https://oe3.orf.at/stories/2974565/
https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/Studi...daBy6uYEGqQLwdI93thbIZ9xNhdcFzubCWAfb4szmJFko

I repoted that Rudi D. Created a very negative german MJ documentery many years ago.

https://youtu.be/m_py5yPw_Hc

Where he also showed his true coulors after MJs death.

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I watched LN now again for a long time without sound and I could only find pictures with Wade AND Michael from the Dangerous recording studio meeting and from the this LA Gear shoot.
There are NO other pictures they are showing with MJ and Wade togeher in one picture and no videofootge.
Correct me when I am wrong.
Maybe I missed a picrure trough skipping.
How should this proove that Wade and MJ spend so much intense time together???

They are showing also no pictures from older Wade in 1993/94 and 1995 with this short blond hairsyle.

I also find no pictures of Wade and James in Neverland exept from this Birthday footage with no MJ in it.

The Jackson Family should look over the pictures where James should be in MJs appartment, to find out if he is really staying in MJs apartment or somewhere else.

They in general showing the same pictures over and over again during the film.
 
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Its a travesty there were no "discovery" phase in the case of Safechuck, that could have been key to exposing him and even making Leaving Neverland an impossibility.
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The case was thrown out before it even got to the discovery stage thats why.

Chandler never said he was abused in a bathroom as robson claims.

The ppl behind mj facts have been shown on another board
 
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The case was thrown out before it even got to the discovery stage thats why.

Chandler never said he was abused in a bathroom as robson claims.

The ppl behind mj facts have been shown on another board

Exactly my point, its still a travesty that we did not get any info of what Safechuck had been up to, just look at what Robson "hid" from everyone.

What do you mean by "The ppl behind mj facts have been shown on another board"?
 
Did you reconize how large James already was in the birthday footage?
He was nearly so tall as his mum and his mum is nearly so tall as Michael.

When was the black or white shoot?
Did it took place before the Robsons moved to LA or after?
 
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