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Very interested in hearing The Toy. I like Best Of Joy, so hearing an early origins of it will be a welcomed addition to my MJ music library.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Super curious why the newly recorded third verse wasn't used for the Michael version, seeing as Damien confirmed it is the same melody, just different words, which we have seen posted before.

MJ was obviously considering it heavily seeing as he re wrote a verse, and had a different structure being considered by Rod Temperton
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So I’m told, the third verse was recorded on a different day, and MJ’s performance was radically different from the first two. It didn’t flow properly, so they cut it.
 
AlwaysThere said:
So I’m told, the third verse was recorded on a different day, and MJ’s performance was radically different from the first two. It didn’t flow properly, so they cut it.
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Source?
 
AlwaysThere said:
So I’m told, the third verse was recorded on a different day, and MJ’s performance was radically different from the first two. It didn’t flow properly, so they cut it.
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Didn't you reply this to me before saying this was your own speculation?
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Didn't you reply this to me before saying this was your own speculation?
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Not to my knowledge. If so, that would be a very odd failure on my part haha. I can’t confirm this, but it came from the same person who shared the third verse lyrics with me (which Damien has recently backed up), so I’m inclined to believe it.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Not to my knowledge. If so, that would be a very odd failure on my part haha. I can’t confirm this, but it came from the same person who shared the third verse lyrics with me (which Damien has recently backed up), so I’m inclined to believe it.
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I don’t know if I believe this. Realistically, he had been singing this song, the same way, for over three decades, and if it is true that the melody was still the same with different words I have a hard time believing it sounded so different that it was unusable unless other factors came in to play such as location, MJ’s health (colds, etc) or something else.
 
Nite Line said:
Best of Joy is my favourite posthumous track, so I am really excited to hear "The Toy."

Honestly, Thriller 40 is already miles better than Thriller 25.
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Well of course it's better. There's no terrible remixes (feat. rappers that didn't need to be there) nor misplaced songs from different eras.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Oh okay, you were pretty insistent that it was speculation here.

Post in thread 'Best of Joy - Original Version' https://www.mjjcommunity.com/threads/best-of-joy-original-version.144920/post-4310817
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I likely typed this out before getting confirmation on it. Certainly a valid reason to call me out on though!
Themidwestcowboy said:
I don’t know if I believe this. Realistically, he had been singing this song, the same way, for over three decades, and if it is true that the melody was still the same with different words I have a hard time believing it sounded so different that it was unusable unless other factors came in to play such as location, MJ’s health (colds, etc) or something else.
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I don’t think “unusable” is a fair word to use, as it apparently sounds great. But bear in mind, this was just a reference vocal; MJ wasn’t looking to use it on the final track. Giving a different performance won’t make as much of a difference on the demo, even if it’s unintentional.

It’s always possible I’m way off the mark here, and I’ll own it if so! There seems to be some conflicting info going around regarding this track (this is the first I’ve ever heard November 2008 as the recording date). I’ll do some more digging so I don’t come off like a total ass here, lol. Very valid to question these comments since they’re a lot harder to verify in comparison to the sound of a track.
 
Will behind the mask sound like this edit? ;) I hope similar
 
Fuzball said:
Songs from that era the Estate could choose from

  • Hot Street
  • She's Trouble
  • Nightline
  • Got The Hots
  • Carousel
  • Starlight
  • Slapstick
  • Behind The Mask
  • Mystery
  • Roll The Dice
  • The Toy
  • Who Do You Know
  • Learned My Lesson
  • Much Too Soon
  • I Never Heard
  • Don't Matter To Me
  • Why Can't I Be
  • Somewhere In Time
  • This Is It (not to be confused with the posthumously renamed I Never Heard)
  • Under Your Skin
  • We Are The Ones
  • Nymphette Lover
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what about the leaked "there must be more than life" demo by MJ?
 
I remember hearing that the third verse of Best Of Joy was cut, when the Estate found out that Rod Temperton helped write it with Michael.

Rod was extremely difficult to work with over the use of Thriller in This Is It, I believe he charged them a small fortune for the use of the song in the film, knowing that a big part of the film was showing off the new 3D short film.

So when they found out his involvement with Best Of Joy, they found it easier to remove his part because they didn't want to deal with him so soon after This Is It.

I'm sure I heard that on an episode of the MJCast. Not sure how true it is, so make of it what you will
 
Not to be too negative but so far thriller 40 is looking like the best worst case scenario because we’ve heard everything so far in some capacity or it’s just a different take of what we’ve heard. I will be disappointed if the additional 7 tracks follow suit
 
Dilan said:
Not to be too negative but so far thriller 40 is looking like the best worst case scenario because we’ve heard everything so far in some capacity or it’s just a different take of what we’ve heard. I will be disappointed if the additional 7 tracks follow suit
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It could be worse, we could've been getting leaked songs and re-releases only 🤷‍♂️
 
Dilan said:
Not to be too negative but so far thriller 40 is looking like the best worst case scenario because we’ve heard everything so far in some capacity or it’s just a different take of what we’ve heard. I will be disappointed if the additional 7 tracks follow suit
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I would say you failed at managing your expectations.

Compounded by unrealistic speculations & personal opinions presented as facts.

+ a whole dose of negativity

= this thread in a nutshell
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
I would say you failed at managing your expectations.

Compounded by unrealistic speculations & personal opinions presented as facts.

+ a whole dose of negativity

= this thread in a nutshell
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Nah, the thread generally has been pretty positive about this release. You just like quoting and responding to literally everything negative anyone says and complaining about it/don't like reading stuff you disagree with. You even qoute people speculating acting like you're somehow calling them out. Maybe you should just let people discuss things and post something yourself that contributes to the discussion around this release that isn't complaining about what other people are saying. :/
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I remember hearing that the third verse of Best Of Joy was cut, when the Estate found out that Rod Temperton helped write it with Michael.

Rod was extremely difficult to work with over the use of Thriller in This Is It, I believe he charged them a small fortune for the use of the song in the film, knowing that a big part of the film was showing off the new 3D short film.

So when they found out his involvement with Best Of Joy, they found it easier to remove his part because they didn't want to deal with him so soon after This Is It.

I'm sure I heard that on an episode of the MJCast. Not sure how true it is, so make of it what you will
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Michael Prince debunked this. Rod was working on an alternate chorus, which never made it past the writing stage. MJ wrote the third verse himself.

I also recall hearing about Rod being difficult to work with; I think it was from Birchey?
 
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