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Thriller 40th Anniversary

wonderouzmj said:
So thriller 4k has the original audio from previously 1983? Not mixed in dolby or anything?
We have the multitracks....isn't it possible for us to do? (I feel kinda stupid for even asking)
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Pretty sure on the Apple TV box in Apple Music I got an Atmos mix of Thriller 4K, but I have to check again. If so, I wonder if they used the surround mix they made for Thriller 3D a couple of years ago.
 
Galactus123 said:
You can buy the music video DVDs from Amazon US and UK.
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Yeah, and on eBay. But that's still on average a 20 dollar monetary sink, 40 if you want it brand new. That's for videos that are basically completely free online and in better quality now, versus a static sd box set. So not a good value exactly.
 
kai said:
I think since the estate guys are old men they thought anime characters are very cool and popular so they asked the fiverr guy to include some cool anime people :D

I'm getting afraid seeing all the positive comments under the video... :O
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Branca has the creative sense of a high school science teacher subbing for art.
 
Hulkamaniac said:
but why would anybody want Motown Billie Jean in 4K? I mean, have you watched directly from the DVD? It looks crystal clear since it's sourced from the master tape. It won't and can't look any better. But again, why would you want to "enhance" it if it already looks perfectly fine?
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Are you as geriatric as the estate? There's a huge difference in pixel detail potential between 480p tapes and 4K potential film.
 
You could definitely make it look a bit better with AI if you use it in the correct way, but I really wouldn't trust them to do that properly. They'd probably just put it through AI upscaling software and make it 60fps lol.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I think the standard def versions of the videos should be available still, for the historical value. Beat It 4K is completely gone now, all traces of it. I wanted to find the vintage footage for creative purposes but it's basically scrubbed now. Unless you track down Visions or HIStory on Film, it's now a rarity.
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I mean.... thats on
kai said:
I think since the estate guys are old men they thought anime characters are very cool and popular so they asked the fiverr guy to include some cool anime people :D

I'm getting afraid seeing all the positive comments under the video... :O
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I told yall they are bots. Look on the same video on Facebook. All you see is "💕💘💞💝❤💔💗' I love him, this is beautiful, kop,

It's like... you know bots after a while...no person with a lick of sense would ok this....& why tf did we need to set a reminder for a 40yr old song lyrics...thats in the booklet....& onli....(sigh)
 
It seems the thriller multitracks are indeed gone:

It was mixed by Serban Ghenea and John Hanes (the Batman and Robin of pop mixing, if you will). Over at this Gearspace forumwe're fortunate to have John posting quite often and answering questions. Here is what he had to say:

"Was amazing to work on it! We mixed it from the original multitracks that they transferred to digital for us.Serban mixed it with the intention to preserve the mixes of Bruce and Quincy. We wanted to re-create their mixes first, then go to Atmos. This is not from stems, there were none, so we worked by ear to match the mixes and masters.Thriller works really well in Atmos because it is not too dense; each sound can have its own space."
 
Dorian said:
It seems the thriller multitracks are indeed gone:

It was mixed by Serban Ghenea and John Hanes (the Batman and Robin of pop mixing, if you will). Over at this Gearspace forumwe're fortunate to have John posting quite often and answering questions. Here is what he had to say:

"Was amazing to work on it! We mixed it from the original multitracks that they transferred to digital for us.Serban mixed it with the intention to preserve the mixes of Bruce and Quincy. We wanted to re-create their mixes first, then go to Atmos. This is not from stems, there were none, so we worked by ear to match the mixes and masters.Thriller works really well in Atmos because it is not too dense; each sound can have its own space."
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I don’t think that’s what that means. John literally says that they specifically transferred the analog tracks to digital for the Atmos mixes.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I don’t think that’s what that means. John literally says that they specifically transferred the analog tracks to digital for the Atmos mixes.
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Thats how i read it too, he is saying there where no stems but multitracks allows for more flexibility so probably best when mixing for Atmos.
Btw, i asked John here about the sibilance on Human Nature, he gives an explanation.
 
Dorian said:
It seems the thriller multitracks are indeed gone:

It was mixed by Serban Ghenea and John Hanes (the Batman and Robin of pop mixing, if you will). Over at this Gearspace forumwe're fortunate to have John posting quite often and answering questions. Here is what he had to say:

"Was amazing to work on it! We mixed it from the original multitracks that they transferred to digital for us.Serban mixed it with the intention to preserve the mixes of Bruce and Quincy. We wanted to re-create their mixes first, then go to Atmos. This is not from stems, there were none, so we worked by ear to match the mixes and masters.Thriller works really well in Atmos because it is not too dense; each sound can have its own space."
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What he said is there are no stems. Stems are the multitracks but bounced down to specific groupings (e.g: kick, snare, perc, bass, or even further bounced like drums, vox, synths, etc, etc) and include the processing and effects (EQs, compressors, reverbs, etc) that are applied by the mixing engineer. This is how most songs are uploaded to the labels nowadays. The Thriller songs were transferred from their original multitracks, where all elements are the raw recordings before Bruce mixed anything, so what John is saying is that they had to recreate Bruce's original mixing as best as they could from scratch.
 
MJbr2 said:
Wait a second, did Beat It ever leak? As far as I remember, only the RB stems were made public.
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An edited version leaked some time ago! One of the vocal tracks (I forget if it’s the leads or the backgrounds) have some baked-in reverb, but a more separated multitrack is online.
 
AlwaysThere said:
An edited version leaked some time ago! One of the vocal tracks (I forget if it’s the leads or the backgrounds) have some baked-in reverb, but a more separated multitrack is online.
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I remember the non-submixed (full) multitrack was circulating and some people were uploading their mixes, but I think it never went public. Only the WBSS one did.
 
I’ve been trying to keep a positive outlook on this anniversary but it‘s getting harder every day. So much about it appears to be very cheaply made, from the artwork to the promotion to the new animated video. While the new 4K videos and 2 new songs are greatly appreciated, it’s very hard not to see what could have been if the Estate had been more competent.

Imagine a package that actually looked good with content that was actually mixed and mastered properly. Imagine a proper promotion of its content. I may be nitpicking here but did anyone else notice that they didn’t even title this “Thriller (40th anniversary)” but simply “Thriller 40”. That may appear to be not important but it looks rather unprofessional. Thriller‘s and Bad’s 25th anniversaries have the word in the title.

But my question is still: why celebrate the 40th anniversary of the album at all? Especially if you don’t have the budget! Why not wait for the 50th?
 
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