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I Am a Fan, But... (What Makes You Heretic Among Other Fans?)

zinniabooklover said:
Cry doesn't get enough love, imo. I get that we all have different taste - yay! - but the dislike for Cry genuinely baffles me.
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But I'm glad that we can express our preferences and no one will be angry or offended
I'm always interested in hearing when people argue their position. :)
 
staywild23 said:
I am obsessed with Little Susie.
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That's a heretic opinion? 🤔 Well, put me in Michael jail then! 🤣

The usual opinion I see is that most don't consider it a "bad" song, they just think it's very dark (which... well, they aren't wrong, lol) so it's often skipped. Though interestingly you don't hear the same sentiment regarding Smooth Criminal, which is one of Michael's most famous song, even. Maybe because it's danceable? 🤔 (Absolutely adore both songs BTW, for those who don't know me well enough yet LOL.)
 
DangerousGal91 said:
That's a heretic opinion? 🤔 Well, put me in Michael jail then! 🤣

The usual opinion I see is that most don't consider it a "bad" song, they just think it's very dark (which... well, they aren't wrong, lol) so it's often skipped. Though interestingly you don't hear the same sentiment regarding Smooth Criminal, which is one of Michael's most famous song, even. Maybe because it's danceable? 🤔 (Absolutely adore both songs BTW, for those who don't know me well enough yet LOL.)
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What's amazing to me about Little Susie is that Michael created it during the making of Off The Wall (Or around that time) . So even at age of 19/20 he was creating genius music like this. And it's been said that the version that was written during the making of the OTW album is very close to what ended up on HIStory.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
And that Thriller 40 really had no flaws, even Can't Get Out of the Rain was fine. Why they forgot the Girl is Mine demo though..
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I truly love the track list for Thriller 40. I still listen to songs from it on a weekly, if not daily basis! I do totally wish for the Girl is Mine demo, though...
 
I was more annoyed about Can't get out of the rain being on thriller 40 for the same reason as like sunset driver... [i LOVE Sunset Driver so much] but because THEY ARE ALREADY PAST RELEASED MATERIAL. I've had Can't get out of the rain already for years and chicago 1945 and dream away [I ADORE DREAM AWAY] would have been better choices.

it's basically the end of you can't win with an extra vocal track saying "rain" over the one that says "game" on the original line, but it was released as can't get out of the rain on its own already and it felt unnecessary to me. MOST of thriller 40 just felt unnecessary, i listened to the tracklist on youtube and ultimately only needed 3 of the songs. i just feel like there could've been more or better or even something else instead.
 
Nonexistant07 said:
I was more annoyed about Can't get out of the rain being on thriller 40 for the same reason as like sunset driver... [i LOVE Sunset Driver so much] but because THEY ARE ALREADY PAST RELEASED MATERIAL. I've had Can't get out of the rain already for years and chicago 1945 and dream away [I ADORE DREAM AWAY] would have been better choices.

it's basically the end of you can't win with an extra vocal track saying "rain" over the one that says "game" on the original line, but it was released as can't get out of the rain on its own already and it felt unnecessary to me. MOST of thriller 40 just felt unnecessary, i listened to the tracklist on youtube and ultimately only needed 3 of the songs. i just feel like there could've been more or better or even something else instead.
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I can't disagree with anything you said, but neither C1945 or DA existed in time for Thriller.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I can't disagree with anything you said, but neither C1945 or DA existed in time for Thriller.
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I have to argue that Yes, they did EXIST, they were in the vault, they just hadn't been LEAKED, and they could have been officially released that way instead.
 
And wasn't Sunset Driver for Off The Wall? In short, where is our official Dream Away release?!?!?! :cool:
 
I stand by what I said about the 4k videos. they slow down michael’s movement, and make it less dynamic. I prefer to watch them in the original quality. ‘thriller’ and ‘beat it’ were supposed to be grimy.
 
83magic said:
I stand by what I said about the 4k videos. they slow down michael’s movement, and make it less dynamic. I prefer to watch them in the original quality. ‘thriller’ and ‘beat it’ were supposed to be grimy.
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This. SO much this.

I gave the 4K a chance but no, just no. I'm glad everyone is having such a fab time with them but they are not for me.
 
83magic said:
I stand by what I said about the 4k videos. they slow down michael’s movement, and make it less dynamic. I prefer to watch them in the original quality. ‘thriller’ and ‘beat it’ were supposed to be grimy.
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The grime is valid, but the bad color saturation of Beat It was not worth it. I never enjoyed that video in that quality. And idk why people would dislike 4K music videos but want 4K concerts.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
The grime is valid, but the bad color saturation of Beat It was not worth it. I never enjoyed that video in that quality. And idk why people would dislike 4K music videos but want 4K concerts.
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it’s the same quality that I grew up with, that I’ve always known. I have no problem with it at all. I’m not interested in any remastering that will zap the energy, speed and intricacy from Michael’s movement. that in itself, is a major factor of michael’s legacy as a performer, that needs to be preserved.
 
83magic said:
it’s the same quality that I grew up with, that I’ve always known.
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That's a big part of it for me. 40 years of Thriller and Beat It is burnt into my brain.

83magic said:
I have no problem with it at all.
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Same. The original quality of the videos looks fine to me.

83magic said:
I’m not interested in any remastering that will zap the energy, speed and intricacy from Michael’s movement.
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And this is the other part of it. It's not just a question of what am I used to? It's also - is this changing what I'm seeing onscreen?

On tv the switch to HD was OK. It didn't change anything, not really. Atmosphere, the 'look' of the thing, whatever. The picture was a lot brighter, a bit sharper and perhaps looked more in focus but that was it.

With these Michael videos it's different. They now look like a different product. One that does not draw me in at all. I agree with 83, it does look as if Michael's movements are a little different. Is it my imagination? Dunno. It just looks different, that's all I can say.

83magic said:
that in itself, is a major factor of michael’s legacy as a performer, that needs to be preserved.
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Exactly. I don't even care about the upgrade, in a way, if it's made available as a choice for people. But the originals need to be preserved and also made available as a viewing choice so people can see and understand what Michael and his team created. Or, at least, what was released and broadcast at the time.
 
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here’s a comparison post of the Suzuki advert from ‘79. I’m not sure if the first video is 4k like it claims to be, but there’s clearly an attempt to improve the visual quality - which it does.
however, I’m not blown away by Michael’s dancing like I was in the original video below. I prefer this one.
 
I don't think there's a single unreleased song superior to Can't Let Her Get Away or The Girl is Mine. Ban me! Sue me!
 
KOPV said:
With Invincible I think a few factors played roles in his voice being a bit different..

1. naturally with age and strain over the years his voice was a little deepe
2. they filtered out a lot of the natural sounds they usually kept in.. (breathing, background noises that Michael would make etc.) made it less authentic
3. his voice did become a little more nasally and his breathing patterns were different. you could tell he had to try more..

I still think he sounded amazing though, id still love to hear Break Of Dawn Acapella!
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If MJ has problems with his lip/nose during the latter recording sessions, then this would have no doubt effect how he sang. I loved the way he sounded on 'Invincible'. Everything changes.
 
83magic said:
here’s a comparison post of the Suzuki advert from ‘79. I’m not sure if the first video is 4k like it claims to be, but there’s clearly an attempt to improve the visual quality - which it does.
however, I’m not blown away by Michael’s dancing like I was in the original video below. I prefer this one.
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Seems like the frame rate is higher in the original? You can appreciate the spins better.
 
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