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How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

MJImpeccable said:
Are material holders private collectors, or former studios or people who worked with him?

Also how does it work with the rights to these unreleased tracks?

Can the estate just release something if they have the masters?

Or are e.g. private collectors rightsholder of songs they purchased?
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Private collectors have no rights over the songs they own, they only own physical copies of them but not the intellectual property.
Songwriters and producers who were involved with the tracks on the other hand have a say in whether the tracks are released or not since they own parts of them.
 
firmware-god said:
But he specifically told me about 24 or 25 songs from the Invincible sessions till his death in 2009 that are ready for immediate release.
Mixed and some even mastered.
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I'll be damned if that's real because with all the evidence that we have coming from interviews, the state of completion of songs that have been copyright registered, and book authors the material left from those eras is very close to being dry.
 
alexbism said:
Private collectors have no rights over the songs they own, they only own physical copies of them but not the intellectual property.
Songwriters and producers who were involved with the tracks on the other hand have a say in whether the tracks are released or not since they own parts of them.
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True. But in this case, the circumstances are a bit bifferent. I am talking about songs that are not in the hands of collectors (or partly). There are unreleased songs most of the world has never known about. Mostly ideas that have enough material so they could be mixed properly and are now finished for release. This is not some made up story. I have been there, talking to the right persons.

Funny enough, if you look closely and think around the corner you will know who has the actual material laying around.
 
ChanceToDance said:
I'll be damned if that's real because with all the evidence that we have coming from interviews, the state of completion of songs that have been copyright registered, and book authors the material left from those eras is very close to being dry.
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Yeah, big doubt from me.
 
firmware-god said:
I'm pulling this thread up again.

Now that we have much more reliable information on the songs that are ready for release.

Personally, I have spoken to one of the last producers who worked with Michael.
I will not disclose who at this point.

But he specifically told me about 24 or 25 songs from the Invincible sessions till his death in 2009 that are ready for immediate release.
Mixed and some even mastered.

The only issue: MJs Estate doesn't want to release. I recall hearing "MJs Estate administration is a bitch."

As Brad Sundberg said in the past: There is not much left from the Bad, Dangerours or HIStory era.
If you have ever been to one of his seminars, you know thats the truth. What has been leaked early last year is basically all there is.

Ghost of another lover and Throwing your life away are the only fully recorded Michael Songs from Bad and Dangerous that I know are ready for release. I heard both and can say, the first one is much more appealing.

Altough, and that's where it gets interesting: Every MJ song has probably 5 to 100 alternate vocal takes. I would die to hear those.

Take a look at anything since Invincible which has been mixed with ProTools.
All those sessions are stored in two places. And it's not the Estates vault.
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Hot_Street said:
who are these people?
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whoever collaborated with Michael. The Estate doesn't want to split profits so they have to use whatever material that's in their possession but people like Brad, John [rest in peace], Michael, Bryan, Steve and many others are holding on to material and have no problem working with The Estate but The Estate doesn't want to cooperate.
 
A very interesting thread.. but it is a Pandora's box for sure.
 
firmware-god said:
As I said, a very reliable source has claimed otherwise. Current situation: WE are waiting for the Estate to contact certain people and get some albums ready.
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Obviously I'd love for this to be true in regards to the material existing. I just find it kind of hard to believe at this point. I am not saying that the estate have everything, in fact I am pretty sure they don't for reasons already stated above, I'm just unsure about this wealth of "finished" material existing.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Obviously I'd love for this to be true in regards to the material existing. I just find it kind of hard to believe at this point. I am not saying that the estate have everything, in fact I am pretty sure they don't for reasons already stated above, I'm just unsure about this wealth of "finished" material existing.
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It's been kinda obfuscated the whole time, we've gone from saying the vault was endless to saying it's basically empty. It feels more like they do it just to keep us on the hook.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Obviously I'd love for this to be true in regards to the material existing. I just find it kind of hard to believe at this point. I am not saying that the estate have everything, in fact I am pretty sure they don't for reasons already stated above, I'm just unsure about this wealth of "finished" material existing.
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Yeah there's no way there's this amount of finished songs from MJ's final years alone. The Michael album was meant to be the estate's plan of recreating the last album MJ was working on, and if there was this much material left they wouldn't have used old songs that MJ hadn't worked on in decades and they sure as hell wouldn't have used the Cascio tracks.

And also it's more likely that most of those finished songs would come from Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, and Neff-U, right? Since they were the people MJ had worked with the most at the time. There's no reason to believe that they would be holding back such amount of material themselves when they've been extremely cooperative with the estate in releasing/remixing their songs. I don't mean to be a downer but it all points out to this not being true at all.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Yeah there's no way there's this amount of finished songs from MJ's final years alone. The Michael album was meant to be the estate's plan of recreating the last album MJ was working on, and if there was this much material left they wouldn't have used old songs that MJ hadn't worked on in decades and they sure as hell wouldn't have used the Cascio tracks.

And also it's more likely that most of those finished songs would come from Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, and Neff-U, right? Since they were the people MJ had worked with the most at the time. There's no reason to believe that they would be holding back such amount of material themselves when they've been extremely cooperative with the estate in releasing/remixing their songs. I don't mean to be a downer but it all points out to this not being true at all.
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Well, that's not exactly true. I Was The Loser was sitting right there and they ignored it. Even other songs that were intended like "Scared of the Moon" was passed over.

There was no rhyme or reason to the Michael album sessions.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Well, that's not exactly true. I Was The Loser was sitting right there and they ignored it. Even other songs that were intended like "Scared of the Moon" was passed over.

There was no rhyme or reason to the Michael album sessions.
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They said right at the beginning of the "Making Of The Michael Album" documentary that the plan was to finish the last album MJ was working on before he passed.
 
ChanceToDance said:
They said right at the beginning of the "Making Of The Michael Album" documentary that the plan was to finish the last album MJ was working on before he passed.
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Like how the plan for Xscape was to only give us songs "Michael sang top to bottom"?

There's basically nothing suggesting what MJs last album was except for that sheet of paper. Even if that's the plan, they did it worse than random dudes off the street.

When you add in the fake songs, this is even more egregiously embarrassing.
 
michaeljackson.nl said:
Is that more complete version also from the Dangerous sessions or later?
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I heard both known versions. And the one I meant is from 2009.

Altough there are 7 mixes in total with different vocal arrangements.

One month before Michaels death, he was still working on GOAL.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Yeah there's no way there's this amount of finished songs from MJ's final years alone.

And also it's more likely that most of those finished songs would come from Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, and Neff-U, right?
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1. Read my first post again. Most of them are ideas which have been mixed properly so they could be released. This also includes songs from Invincible.

2. Forget Neff-U.
 
firmware-god said:
I heard both known versions. And the one I meant is from 2009.

Altough there are 7 mixes in total with different vocal arrangements.

One month before Michaels death, he was still working on GOAL.
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Literally what proof do you have of this?
 
firmware-god said:
I'm pulling this thread up again.

Now that we have much more reliable information on the songs that are ready for release.

Personally, I have spoken to one of the last producers who worked with Michael.
I will not disclose who at this point.

But he specifically told me about 24 or 25 songs from the Invincible sessions till his death in 2009 that are ready for immediate release.
Mixed and some even mastered.

The only issue: MJs Estate doesn't want to release. I recall hearing "MJs Estate administration is a bitch."

As Brad Sundberg said in the past: There is not much left from the Bad, Dangerours or HIStory era.
If you have ever been to one of his seminars, you know thats the truth. What has been leaked early last year is basically all there is.

Ghost of another lover and Throwing your life away are the only fully recorded Michael Songs from Bad and Dangerous that I know are ready for release. I heard both and can say, the first one is much more appealing.

Altough, and that's where it gets interesting: Every MJ song has probably 5 to 100 alternate vocal takes. I would die to hear those.

Take a look at anything since Invincible which has been mixed with ProTools.
All those sessions are stored in two places. And it's not the Estates vault.
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I think we all know who you're talking about. I assume you spoke with him at a seminar.

Indeed, I have no doubt that there must be some songs left from this period that must be complete. However, by doing in-depth research, we discover that there are still wonders there but which are very far from being complete.

MJ has worked with many producers, RedOne, Will I Am, Ne Yo, Akon.... And none of these artists have complete songs vocally from MJ...

We all know the famous handwritten list with unreleased titles found at MJ in 2009. Some of them were registered in 2009/2010 with US Copyright, and they could be listened to. Most of them are ultimately just instrumentals or contain very few clean vocals. Songs like Rocker and Dark Lady, which can be considered the most complete, however remain very incomplete to really be released as a song.
Would that mean that these songs registered under US Copyright are not the final versions? That there would be voices on songs that we only know in instrumentals?

I don't have any information on a full version of GOAL, but with a little research it's easy to find that there are 7 mixes with vocals. More information should be given so that people can believe you on this song.

I know there are Rodney Jerkins and Teddy Riley songs left from the Invincible era, but why weren't all of these songs included on the Michael album?
Why were the 24 titles you mentioned not available at that time?

I would like to believe you, I assure you. But you are a brand new member giving us this information. So that we can believe you, do not hesitate to give us more details.
 
Author Richard Lecocq is very optimistic regarding the number of the nearly completed, unreleased songs from the 'Invincible' album sessions.

The only obstacle regarding their official release is how the Estate will acquire the copyright licences of them from the various producers who worked on these songs during that period.

@BlackAnon, the outcome of these Jackson-Moonie Project lawsuits was that Michael Jackson eventually settled the claims against him in an out-of-court deal with the Moonies in 1992.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
I think we all know who you're talking about. I assume you spoke with him at a seminar.

Indeed, I have no doubt that there must be some songs left from this period that must be complete. However, by doing in-depth research, we discover that there are still wonders there but which are very far from being complete.

MJ has worked with many producers, RedOne, Will I Am, Ne Yo, Akon.... And none of these artists have complete songs vocally from MJ...

We all know the famous handwritten list with unreleased titles found at MJ in 2009. Some of them were registered in 2009/2010 with US Copyright, and they could be listened to. Most of them are ultimately just instrumentals or contain very few clean vocals. Songs like Rocker and Dark Lady, which can be considered the most complete, however remain very incomplete to really be released as a song.
Would that mean that these songs registered under US Copyright are not the final versions? That there would be voices on songs that we only know in instrumentals?

I don't have any information on a full version of GOAL, but with a little research it's easy to find that there are 7 mixes with vocals. More information should be given so that people can believe you on this song.

I know there are Rodney Jerkins and Teddy Riley songs left from the Invincible era, but why weren't all of these songs included on the Michael album?
Why were the 24 titles you mentioned not available at that time?

I would like to believe you, I assure you. But you are a brand new member giving us this information. So that we can believe you, do not hesitate to give us more details.
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Yeah the GOAL stuff has been discussed on here rather recently so it's not exactly new info. There's lots of people nowadays who like to just say they know or have heard stuff so it's kinda hard to believe.
 
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