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bluemoon7 said:
[...] But I am temped to open a post like: Do you belive in (a) God? What IS God to you?
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If you opened that thread I think my only contribution would be this quote from Michael ...

"But for me the sweetest contact with God has no form. I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence. The infinity of God's creation embraces me."

Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
 
unfioredarancio said:
Hi bluemoon 🤍 Actually, you are also right, not all religious people are extremists, but I want to explain you how I feel about it.

I was raised by a religious mom. She is christian, and she is a loving mom and person. She respects every other religion, she is kind to everyone, she doesn't want to convert anyone. Of course, she thinks her religion is the true one, but someone may think that I was raised by the perfect example of a not-extremist person.
But, you know, extremists are not only the ones who could kill for a God...

Growing up I felt something, I looked to my mom and to the other religious people I know in a different way. I felt like, first of all, the majority of them were just raised to believe in that specific God, based on the specific area they were born. Many people found peace in religion, they found the love and the protection they deserved when they were children. And this is not a "problem", but... For so many religious people (I don't want to say for every one) religion is a "veil" on their eyes to be distracted, to don't feel the pain they feel, to not look inside themselves, and (sad but true) to don't feel the pain someone else is feeling. The meme that Michael's Lover post about world hunger is very strong and true.

Also, I can say I'm not an atheist maybe, because I feel the godness in mother nature that is around us, all the time. If we just look around us for a while we can notice that nature is alive. Religious people believe in a "human-shaped" God, you know. And that's because, in my opinion, humans are scared to die and they have to feel that they are the most important creatures here... But we are not...
We are actually like the other animals, the trees and the plants. Maybe we are the ones who won't survive to climate changes, while some other animals will. I may sound silly but it's what I believe in, because nature is alive.

Religions are mostly focused on human beings, and that's because they were created for them. I would say they were created to "shape" them.
Maybe people wanted religion to make them feel less lonely at the beginning, but actually they turned out to be less aware...
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I'm happy that you were able to find your way out of religion even though you have such a religious mom
What opened your eyes, and how does your mom feel about it?
 
unfioredarancio said:
Also, I can say I'm not an atheist maybe, because I feel the godness in mother nature that is around us, all the time. If we just look around us for a while we can notice that nature is alive. Religious people believe in a "human-shaped" God, you know. And that's because, in my opinion, humans are scared to die and they have to feel that they are the most important creatures here... But we are not...
We are actually like the other animals, the trees and the plants. Maybe we are the ones who won't survive to climate changes, while some other animals will. I may sound silly but it's what I believe in, because nature is alive.
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Each animal species has a different specialization that enables it to survive in its natural environment. Birds have wings, fish have fins, and we great apes have relatively large brains that allow us to adapt. All of this came about by chance through an infinite number of mutations. It also remains to be said that the human brain has not only made self-knowledge about its own transience possible, but that this brain has also constructed a supposed path out of it, namely in the form of hope-giving religions. Today, however, the trend is to preserve your own body for as long as possible. This is closer to reality than religious stories.
 
Michaels Lover said:
I'm happy that you were able to find your way out of religion even though you have such a religious mom
What opened your eyes, and how does your mom feel about it?
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Thank you for asking, it's a very interesting question. I will tell you just what I feel

First of all, we're all our parents's children. It may sounds obvious, but it's not. Our parents once were children too, they were educated in a certain way just like their parents, and so on in the past generations.
Understanding this is a very big first point...

When you understand this, you can question. You can question your past, your parents and your childhood. Without fear you can say that what you are now and what you believe in, can be questioned. Questioning the way you see the world, looking inside of you, understanding what makes you feel safe and why, re-opens the doors of your soul. It's like you can come back to what your inner-child felt in the first place, before being "educated" in that certain way. The education we had from our parents as children also included their fears... You know?

I don't know if I'm being clear...
An adult is just a grown-up child.

When two adults become parents, they can give you (hopefully beyond love, and this is not always a given) also their own anxiety, their own fears, and what they were raised to believe in.
I mean, religion is just one of the big things a child can be educated with (even if I think it's the biggest one).

A religious parent can teach you the fear of God, for example, but a not-religious parent can teach you another fear. Just an example, a parent can tell you, when you're a child, that your crying is inappropriate and you will feel ashamed of your tears. But that parent probably just can't stand big emotions because for his/her parents crying was inappropriate too, so they repressed the crying when they were children. I hope I'm making the point...

Back to the question:
Looking inside of me is opening my eyes.
It's a journey, it's impossible to do it in a day.
And when I say "looking inside of me" I mean looking at my past.
This is what I feel "man in mirror" means, you know?

For my "mother" question:
You know, the most important thing of this journey is freedom. If I live a life based on what my mom (or dad) could think of me, it's like I'm turning my back on the child I was. It's like I'm still trying to make them love me, doing what they like me to do, which means basically doing what they did ...This is not what I feel 🙏🏻
 
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unfioredarancio said:
Thank you for asking, it's a very interesting question. I will tell you just what I feel

First of all, we're all our parents's children. It may sounds obvious, but it's not. Our parents once were children too, they were educated in a certain way just like their parents, and so on in the past generations.
Understanding this is a very big first point...

When you understand this, you can question. You can question your past, your parents and your childhood. Without fear you can say that what you are now and what you believe in, can be questioned. Questioning the way you see the world, looking inside of you, understanding what makes you feel safe and why, re-opens the doors of your soul. It's like you can come back to what your inner-child felt in the first place, before being "educated" in that certain way. The education we had from our parents as children also included their fears... You know?

I don't know if I'm being clear...
An adult is just a grown-up child.

When two adults become parents, they can give you (hopefully beyond love, and this is not always a given) also their own anxiety, their own fears, and what they were raised to believe in.
I mean, religion is just one of the big things a child can be educated with (even if I think it's the biggest one).

A religious parent can teach you the fear of God, for example, but a not-religious parent can teach you another fear. Just an example, a parent can tell you, when you're a child, that your crying is inappropriate and you will feel ashamed of your tears. But that parent probably just can't stand big emotions because for his/her parents crying was inappropriate too, so they repressed the crying when they were children. I hope I'm making the point...

Back to the question:
Looking inside of me is opening my eyes.
It's a journey, it's impossible to do it in a day.
And when I say "looking inside of me" I mean looking at my past.
This is what I feel "man in mirror" means, you know?

For my "mother" question:
You know, the most important thing of this journey is freedom. If I live a life based on what my mom (or dad) could think of me, it's like I'm turning my back on the child I was. It's like I'm still trying to make them love me, doing what they like me to do, which means basically doing what they did ...This is not what I feel 🙏🏻
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I've read this post 3 times and I still don't feel my questions was answered. I don't get it...
 
Michaels Lover said:
I've read this post 3 times and I still don't feel my questions was answered. I don't get it...
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I understand, I'm sorry. It's not very easy for me answering these questions and I did the best I can with my (poor) english. If you want to ask me something we can also talk in a private conversation 💌 I'm here
 
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bluemoon7 said:
True, ... but lets make a little room for baby Jesus, please?! 🥹 :ROFLMAO: Most catholics I lnow even acknowledge the pagan origin of Christmas celebration. The date of celebrating Jesus birth was definitely chosen randomly.
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Sure, there will always be a place for children in every celebration (I want to celebrate life and love during Christmas, and children are the definition of it). So also baby Jesus is invited to celebrate 💌
 
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