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Hot_Street said:
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Evolution of sexual reproduction - Wikipedia

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May I ask you what is the meaning of life for animals that, in the case of chimpanzees, are 98,7% genetically identical to us? It only hurts because we think we are better. You can give meaning to life even without religion. That is exactly what our planet, plagued by climate change and war, urgently needs: a sense of reality.
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Just another quick thing too: With no God, you have no right and wrong. It’s all just relative.
 
@mjfanatic777 said:
just do what makes you happy idk
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I’m just simply trying to educate people to open their eyes a bit more. I have found the most evidence for God. Which I encourage everyone to read the gospels truly as just a history book because that is what it is. It’s your decision to believe what Jesus is truly saying.
unfioredarancio said:
For me the creator is Nature. No God for me. At least... A Goddess. But I think everyone can believe whatever they feel like 💌
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Like this: what is your evidence for this?
 
Sawyer Grubb said:
I’m just simply trying to educate people to open their eyes a bit more. I have found the most evidence for God. Which I encourage everyone to read the gospels truly as just a history book because that is what it is. It’s your decision to believe what Jesus is truly saying.
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that's why I said 'idk'. I was trying to imply that the person can really decide for him/herself
 
Sawyer Grubb said:
Just another quick thing too: With no God, you have no right and wrong. It’s all just relative.
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Wrong and right are categories created by humans.
For the theory of evolution: please read up on it instead of categorically rejecting everything I post here. By rejecting everything, you are making it very easy for yourself. In principle, everything started with single-celled organisms and from them, life as it is today developed over a long period of time. In nature, the purpose is to preserve the species. This is of course not satisfying when one knows about one's own mortality. But when it comes to species conservation, the focus is on the species and not the individual. Of course, species also die out. Nothing in nature lasts forever.
 
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Sawyer Grubb said:
Yeah but with everything living there has to be a beginning and end. What I am saying is, if there is no creator, how did even the mother species just appear? You are not proving anything.
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Sawyer Grubb said:
Like this: what is your evidence for this?
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You keep asking people for proof and evidence for what they believe in, yet you have no proof yourself that god exists. There's plenty of proof of that evolution is indeed a fact, and no proof of gods existence

Sawyer Grubb said:
I’m just simply trying to educate people to open their eyes a bit more. I have found the most evidence for God. Which I encourage everyone to read the gospels truly as just a history book because that is what it is. It’s your decision to believe what Jesus is truly saying.
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Where? If you have evidence for god why haven't you claimed your reward yet, as you are the first person in history to have such evidence
 
bluemoon7 said:
Francis Bacon:

"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion."

Essays (1625) ‘Of Atheism’


I like this thought ...

Source: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780191826719.001.0001/q-oro-ed4-00000644
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Religion obviously has a function, otherwise it would not have been produced by the evolution of the human brain. Religion was a state-building force and promoted the coexistence of people. But these aspects have increasingly receded into the background with the Enlightenment.
 
bluemoon7 said:
Maybe there is not one true answer. And maybe science and a belief in a divine source/creation can both exist ...
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Ngl, the people who intrigue me the most are the ones who maintain their religious belief alongside their scientific knowledge and training. There is Guy Consalmagno, a Jesuit who is also the astronomer to the Vatican. As a Catholic, I'm sure you have heard of Georges LeMaitre the Belgian astronomer / Jesuit who independently developed the idea of an evolving Universe (apparently unaware of Friedmann's work from 1922). Afaik, the modern idea of the Big Bang came from LeMaitre.


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Fr Georges Lemaître, the Priest Who Discovered the Big Bang — Beyond These Stone Walls

British priest and Oxford physicist Fr Andrew Pinsent shares this amazing post about the origin of the Universe and a stunning connection that struck close to home.
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"The Belgian priest-astrophysicist Fr Georges Lemaître in 1927 published a paper in the Annals of the Scientific Society of Brussels presenting the idea of an expanding universe. When invited to a meeting of the British Association in London in 1931, on the subject of science and religion, Fr Lemaître proposed that the universe had expanded from an initial point, which he called the ‘Primeval Atom’. In 1949, the astronomer Fred Hoyle described Fr Lemaître’s theory as a ‘Big Bang’. Shortly before Fr Lemaître died in 1966, he learned of the discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation, widely interpreted today as the faint echo of the Big Bang itself. With some modifications, the Big Bang has today become our standard grand narrative for understanding the cosmos."
 
Hot_Street said:
Wrong and right are categories created by humans.
For the theory of evolution: please read up on it instead of categorically rejecting everything I post here. By rejecting everything, you are making it very easy for yourself. In principle, everything started with single-celled organisms and from them, life as it is today developed over a long period of time. In nature, the purpose is to preserve the species. This is of course not satisfying when one knows about one's own mortality. But when it comes to species conservation, the focus is on the species and not the individual. Of course, species also die out. Nothing in nature lasts forever.
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You just categorized something and then accused me of doing the same lol. Not necessarily, most morals actually come from the Bible. Some humans murder as well, once again its relative. It’s a very wide door. Once again, where did those single-celled organisms come from? Did they just pop into existence out of no where? I am asking how did the species start? There has to be a beginning and end to a living thing. You are the one that is dodging my questions, and I’m not rejecting, I’m giving you answers.
Michaels Lover said:
You keep asking people for proof and evidence for what they believe in, yet you have no proof yourself that god exists. There's plenty of proof of that evolution is indeed a fact, and no proof of gods existence


Where? If you have evidence for god why haven't you claimed your reward yet, as you are the first person in history to have such evidence
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I’m not asking for proof, as that would mean to prove something cannot be another way which you can’t do with anything in this world. The evidence is Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection. I can go more into detail about that if you want but I’m pretty sure you know. I wouldn’t believe what Jesus Christ said if He didn’t die and resurrect. Yes species can evolve but that doesn’t not prove how the mother species of everything came to be. I am also not the first person, there are many believers in this world, and the reward will be eternal life in Heaven which I have yet to claim.

Edit: Science is a wonderful branch of knowledge but it for sure has its limits. Also one more question, what is the purpose of life then if there is no God?
 
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Sawyer Grubb said:
Once again, where did those single-celled organisms come from? Did they just pop into existence out of no where? I am asking how did the species start? There has to be a beginning and end to a living thing. You are the one that is dodging my questions, and I’m not rejecting, I’m giving you answers.
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this is an interesting question...
While there is no single generally accepted theory for the origin of life, all credible proposals show that life under natural conditions by a slow processes of chemical and molecular evolution could plausibly result in simple life forms over a long period of time. Do we have proof that this is how life came about – no. At least not yet. Is it plausible – absolutely.
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Hot_Street said:
this is an interesting question...

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So I would just challenge you to read the gospels. I’m not trying to say “I’m right” with this conversation, I just want you to think that there might be more to life. I also don’t think the earth and everything living came to be from a mixing pot of inanimate matter.
 
Sawyer Grubb said:
So I would just challenge you to read the gospels. I’m not trying to say “I’m right” with this conversation, I just want you to think that there might be more to life. I also don’t think the earth and everything living came to be from a mixing pot of inanimate matter.
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There could be more, no one knows for sure.
How about proving that Jesus existed and by that I don't mean the Shroud of Turin, that turned out to be fake.
 
Hot_Street said:
There could be more, no one knows for sure.
How about proving that Jesus existed and by that I don't mean the Shroud of Turin, that turned out to be fake.
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He appeared to over 500 witnesses and His 12 disciples were willing to die to proclaim His name. I don’t think the religion would be as big and reach across the globe if He wasn’t real. Also multiple other religions reveal His name in their books as well. Take the Quran for example.
 
Sawyer Grubb said:
He appeared to over 500 witnesses and His 12 disciples were willing to die to proclaim His name. I don’t think the religion would be as big and reach across the globe if He wasn’t real. Also multiple other religions reveal His name in their books as well. Take the Quran for example.
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Jesus could've been a historical figure who may not have existed like Pythagoras or Robin Hood.
What about the Bible borrowing from other religions?
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How the Bible Borrowed From Other Stories

The Bible (consisting of both the Old and New Testament) is central to Christianity and so are its many myths, stories and parables. But even though many of these myths help to define the religion, some of them are not original – they have been borrowed or copied from other myths from other...
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Hot_Street said:
Jesus could've been a historical figure who may not have existed like Pythagoras or Robin Hood.
What about the Bible borrowing from other religions?
www.samwoolfe.com

How the Bible Borrowed From Other Stories

The Bible (consisting of both the Old and New Testament) is central to Christianity and so are its many myths, stories and parables. But even though many of these myths help to define the religion, some of them are not original – they have been borrowed or copied from other myths from other...
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Well if we can’t even agree that Jesus was real, that is crazy and we will get no where. I already told you that the Bible is eye witness accounts and other religions mention Him as an historical figure in their books, even speaking positively about Him. Even if you don’t believe in it, it is still a history book. All those places that are mentioned are real, it even provides the time these events occurred. There are also multiple parallels between Mark, Luke, John, Matthew, etc. To touch on the Bible borrowing from other religions, I would say it’s the other way around. The Torah (Old Testament) was written before all those Greek myths. I mean there is even historical evidence for events in the Bible that happened.

I mean even look at this.

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Noah's Ark Found? Experts Discover 5000-Year-Old Boat-Shaped Mound In Turkey

The teamextracted aged rock and soil samples from a geological formation in Turkey, which they believe contained the ruins of the vessel.
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Sawyer Grubb said:
I’m not asking for proof
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Yes you did! It's right there for everyone to see. Don't deny it!

Sawyer Grubb said:
I am also not the first person, there are many believers in this world
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I'm not talking about believers. You said you have evidence for god? Where is this evidence? Belief is not evidence
 
"The bible is a book of claims, not a book of facts. It is not the “word of god” because “god” didn’t write it, men did"

101 of the craziest, strangest, most ridiculous Bible absurdities

101 of the craziest, strangest, most ridiculous Bible absurdities

In my last article I took a critical look at the teachings of Jesus, in this article I’ll extend that to the Bible itself. As a reference guide I’ve used The Skeptics Annotated Bible which I highly recommend you check out. The Bible is a book of claims, not a book of facts. It is […]
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