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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Eventidescape1 said:
So these are Shana's tapes then. You can see that 7 Digits cassette in some Youtube video she made ages back... That would be proof for me. But for someone seeing this for the first time, I'd at least expect (or request if it gets to that) some audio proof that the contents of these tapes are genuine.

I sure hope these songs/versions surface in HQ form. If the Estate is not gonna release those collaborations (as they made clear to Bryan himself several years ago, they have NO PLANS to do so), then fans should certainly help themselves!!
It's not like Michael's ever gonna come back and finish them. We can appreciate those tracks for what they are, regardless of how finished they are (subject to opinion of course)

Of course, Bryan's material does pale in comparison to the Teddy Riley-produced cuts on Dangerous, but still exciting to hear new material as always
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Honestly, pretty smart of her to put them up for sale right after the news of similar material found in the storage locker was reported. Good timing and may give the auction more attention than it would've gotten any other time.
 
7 Digits (15:53) - Early writing session version - (Never heard. Never leaked). Song is on both sides of the cassette. Side B is a continuation of Side A. This is the first version of 7 Digits. MJ is writing the song as he sings on this, so there are several takes of the song with MJ playing with lyrical ideas. He hadn't come up with the theme of “7 Digits" yet on these early takes. But, the music is the same as his final “7 Digits" song. In between takes, MJ is talking to Bryan in the studio directing him on music ideas.
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Does that mean there's a version of 7 Digits with complete vocals out there?
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Fuzball said:
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Included in the cassettes are as below:

7 Digits (15:53) - Early writing session version - (Never heard. Never leaked). Song is on both sides of the cassette. Side B is a continuation of Side A. This is the first version of 7 Digits. MJ is writing the song as he sings on this, so there are several takes of the song with MJ playing with lyrical ideas. He hadn't come up with the theme of “7 Digits" yet on these early takes. But, the music is the same as his final “7 Digits" song. In between takes, MJ is talking to Bryan in the studio directing him on music ideas.

Serious Effect (rough version) (5:35) - Complete - MJ singing the whole song. This version has not been leaked. There is a leaked version online that is edited/shorter than this version and includes a rap by LL Cool J. This version has only MJ's vocals and is longer than the leaked version.

Son of Thriller (5:30) (Instrumental) - Complete - (Never released. Never heard)

She Got It (5:24) - Complete- MJ singing lead on the whole song and talking through the song to direct Bryan. (Edited/shorter version of this was leaked on YT).

Superfly Sista (original unedited rough cut) - (7:28) Complete - MJ singing lead on entire song (An edited version, that is one minute shorter than this version, appears on the Blood On The Dancefloor album).

Work That Body - (5:43) - (original unedited rough cut). Complete song - MJ singing lead on the whole song. An edited version that is 2 minutes shorter than this version was leaked on YT.

All The Truth You Need (3:10) (Never before heard. Never leaked). Lead Vocals by Bryan Loren with MJ Singing Background Vocals and the Chorus.

Call It Off - (4:15)- Complete- (never leaked. Never heard). Bryan Loren singing lead, MJ singing the chorus. MJ sings, “Call It Off, Call the whole thing off. I Don't Want to Marry You".

Truth On The Youth with LL Cool J (Never before heard. Never leaked). LL Cool J Full vocals/rap. LL Sings Michael's parts. A tour de force from LL doing everybody's parts in the song. No MJ vocals on this song. LL did this version as a guide for MJ to sing his verses.

Don't Believe It - 2 different versions (4:46). (Never heard. Never leaked). MJ sang the whole song while coming up with lyrics and melody ideas. Talking to Bryan as well.

Work (Janet Jackson lead vocals) (5:25) - Original Unedited Version (a shorter version leaked on YT).

To Satisfy You (Lead Vocals Byran Loren with MJ singing the chorus) - Rare, but it appears on Bryan's solo album)

And finally, there will be an additional more modern cassette in this lot of Michael Jackson singing the classic “San Francisco" acapella. It is from these same sessions. Very short (only 15 seconds) but never before heard before.
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Pretty interesting to get some details on the tracks we haven't heard. Thanks for posting.
 
Fuzball said:
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Included in the cassettes are as below:

7 Digits (15:53) - Early writing session version - (Never heard. Never leaked). Song is on both sides of the cassette. Side B is a continuation of Side A. This is the first version of 7 Digits. MJ is writing the song as he sings on this, so there are several takes of the song with MJ playing with lyrical ideas. He hadn't come up with the theme of “7 Digits" yet on these early takes. But, the music is the same as his final “7 Digits" song. In between takes, MJ is talking to Bryan in the studio directing him on music ideas.

Serious Effect (rough version) (5:35) - Complete - MJ singing the whole song. This version has not been leaked. There is a leaked version online that is edited/shorter than this version and includes a rap by LL Cool J. This version has only MJ's vocals and is longer than the leaked version.

Son of Thriller (5:30) (Instrumental) - Complete - (Never released. Never heard)

She Got It (5:24) - Complete- MJ singing lead on the whole song and talking through the song to direct Bryan. (Edited/shorter version of this was leaked on YT).

Superfly Sista (original unedited rough cut) - (7:28) Complete - MJ singing lead on entire song (An edited version, that is one minute shorter than this version, appears on the Blood On The Dancefloor album).

Work That Body - (5:43) - (original unedited rough cut). Complete song - MJ singing lead on the whole song. An edited version that is 2 minutes shorter than this version was leaked on YT.

All The Truth You Need (3:10) (Never before heard. Never leaked). Lead Vocals by Bryan Loren with MJ Singing Background Vocals and the Chorus.

Call It Off - (4:15)- Complete- (never leaked. Never heard). Bryan Loren singing lead, MJ singing the chorus. MJ sings, “Call It Off, Call the whole thing off. I Don't Want to Marry You".

Truth On The Youth with LL Cool J (Never before heard. Never leaked). LL Cool J Full vocals/rap. LL Sings Michael's parts. A tour de force from LL doing everybody's parts in the song. No MJ vocals on this song. LL did this version as a guide for MJ to sing his verses.

Don't Believe It - 2 different versions (4:46). (Never heard. Never leaked). MJ sang the whole song while coming up with lyrics and melody ideas. Talking to Bryan as well.

Work (Janet Jackson lead vocals) (5:25) - Original Unedited Version (a shorter version leaked on YT).

To Satisfy You (Lead Vocals Byran Loren with MJ singing the chorus) - Rare, but it appears on Bryan's solo album)

And finally, there will be an additional more modern cassette in this lot of Michael Jackson singing the classic “San Francisco" acapella. It is from these same sessions. Very short (only 15 seconds) but never before heard before.
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This is great but given the info, I wouldn't pay much for this. I wish MJ did lead vocals on To Satisfy You, but this does not have it.
 
I was reading through the tax court memo. Could it be, that the songs w/ full vocals that are according to Doelp not in a releasable state, the very ones John Barnes had talked about? Barnes said some of his work wasn't transfered entirely on to tape.



The fact we begin with is that Jackson’s vault held 7,000 to 10,000 pieces of tape. The Estate called an entirely credible witness, John Doelp, whose job was to go through these snippets and figure out what was there. Doelp was a longtime employee with Sony and has worked in several capacities including marketing, finance, and artist-and-repertoire (finding talent).

While he was running the marketing-and-sales department, he had himself worked with Jackson. Yet Doelp found only 2 completed songs in nearly finished form that could be released, and another 25-30 with full vocals (some of which couldn’t be released).

Since Jackson’s death, the Estate has released 21 songs and confirmed the
existence of 62 other songs that have not been released and that won’t be because they are not of commercial quality.

We also find that, apart from the two songs that were in nearly finished form, the remainder needed considerable work to bring them up to commercial quality. We suspect that if the Estate had pressed the point, their unfinished character would have meant an allocation of some of their value to the Estate’s own efforts instead of their value as of the date of
Jackson’s death.

Though the songs were scattered among 7,000-10,000 pieces of tape, the
songs were there. There were at least 83 of them, because the Estate released
after Jackson’s death and confirmed another.​
 
Fuzball said:
I was reading through the tax court memo. Could it be, that the songs w/ full vocals that are according to Doelp not in a releasable state, the very ones John Barnes had talked about? Barnes said some of his work wasn't transfered entirely on to tape.



The fact we begin with is that Jackson’s vault held 7,000 to 10,000 pieces of tape. The Estate called an entirely credible witness, John Doelp, whose job was to go through these snippets and figure out what was there. Doelp was a longtime employee with Sony and has worked in several capacities including marketing, finance, and artist-and-repertoire (finding talent).

While he was running the marketing-and-sales department, he had himself worked with Jackson. Yet Doelp found only 2 completed songs in nearly finished form that could be released, and another 25-30 with full vocals (some of which couldn’t be released).

Since Jackson’s death, the Estate has released 21 songs and confirmed the
existence of 62 other songs that have not been released and that won’t be because they are not of commercial quality.

We also find that, apart from the two songs that were in nearly finished form, the remainder needed considerable work to bring them up to commercial quality. We suspect that if the Estate had pressed the point, their unfinished character would have meant an allocation of some of their value to the Estate’s own efforts instead of their value as of the date of
Jackson’s death.

Though the songs were scattered among 7,000-10,000 pieces of tape, the
songs were there. There were at least 83 of them, because the Estate released
after Jackson’s death and confirmed another.​
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It's true that only 25/30 songs with vocals seem suspicious to me. I don't really understand this story of 83 songs... What is actually included in it?
 
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The information posted from the auction house is interesting but at the same time disappointing. Hopefully, these songs are further along. Only time will tell.

Just my opinion, but i think Bryan was just trying to impress Shana by giving her these tapes. Michael may not have even known these existed. They could've possibly contributed to Bryan being let go from working on Dangerous since he was known for not keeping things they worked on confidential.
 
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