The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

[PanterA90]

I don’t remember. I heard Tomboy once, on a cassette, at the US Copyright office, 9 years ago. My notes say: synth drums, bass, guitar riff, very nice strings, similar sounds to Captain EO at times, similar instrumental melody line to “I bet you remember”

Sorry I can’t give more details. When you hear something once, almost a decade ago, and all you have is limited handwritten notes about it, it’s impossible to draw a proper comparison. I have no further notes.

Oh, one other note: “No lyrics/vocals” on the version I heard. The version I heard was sent to the copyright office on October 28, 1985

I don’t remember. I heard Tomboy once, on a cassette, at the US Copyright office, 9 years ago. My notes say: synth drums, bass, guitar riff, very nice strings, similar sounds to Captain EO at times, similar instrumental melody line to “I bet you remember”

Sorry I can’t give more details. When you hear something once, almost a decade ago, and all you have is limited handwritten notes about it, it’s impossible to draw a proper comparison. I have no further notes.

Oh, one other note: “No lyrics/vocals” on the version I heard. The version I heard was sent to the copyright office on October 28, 1985

I know that, I'm just saying Damien should hear this

and compare it with what he heard. To know what are the differences.

 

[Victorious]

'Stop That' sounds funky, while the Captain EO stuff sounds 80s modern though..

edit: The beat does sounds a bit like WAHTCTW though..

 

[Derek1984]

Ask Bill if stop that resembles tomboy

I did. Even provided a youtube link to Stop That. He hasn't replied back.

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

I did. Even provided a youtube link to Stop That. He hasn't replied back.

Someone should ask him every day and also stand over his bed while he sleeps until he answers because we deserve to know everything. And stuff.

 

[Derek1984]

Someone should ask him every day and also stand over his bed while he sleeps until he answers because we deserve to know everything. And stuff.

He will occasionally dive into MJ but he's mostly about politics on X.

 

[Victorious]

I know that, I'm just saying Damien should hear this

and compare it with what he heard. To know what are the differences.

I am starting to like this track more and more

 

[Moonwalker50]

There are conflicting accounts on the state of MJ's Why demo, some have said it only has chorus vocals and nothing more, whilst others have said that he did indeed record the whole song. It is much more likely that only chorus vocals exist in my opinion.

It's just the chorus,I heard a couple years back

 

[Fuzball]

He will occasionally dive into MJ but he's mostly about politics on X.

That one I truly don't remember.
3 1/2 hours out of a year and a half.
In Hayvenhurst, there were so many of these, 38 years gone and I still can call up the ones we started from scratch, and finished. Recording full vocals and BG's at night with me…

^He's posted this yesterday. Man, I really wish he'll dig deep into these in his upcoming book.

 

[Fuzball]

Bill on Don't Be Messin' Around:

There was one day at Westlake MJ came in and wanted to start this song again. He sat at the piano and did some random stuff, lost interest and we went on to something else.

 

[Derek1984]

Bill on Don't Be Messin' Around:

There was one day at Westlake MJ came in and wanted to start this song again. He sat at the piano and did some random stuff, lost interest and we went on to something else.

This is actually kind of funny.

 

[BlackAnon]

Bill on Don't Be Messin' Around:

There was one day at Westlake MJ came in and wanted to start this song again. He sat at the piano and did some random stuff, lost interest and we went on to something else.

to work on this song during Thriller, Bad and Dangerous, Michael must've saw potential but couldn't take it where it needed to be

 

[Moonwalker50]

This is actually kind of funny.

Just like michael lol

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

Bill on Don't Be Messin' Around:

There was one day at Westlake MJ came in and wanted to start this song again. He sat at the piano and did some random stuff, lost interest and we went on to something else.

Must've decided that it needed L.A. Reid and The Timbo Touch in 2̶0̶1̶4̶

Must've decided that music would no longer be needed once MJ The Musical came to be a reality thanks to the John B

 

[AlwaysThere]

Bill on Don't Be Messin' Around:

There was one day at Westlake MJ came in and wanted to start this song again. He sat at the piano and did some random stuff, lost interest and we went on to something else.

I feel like I would’ve had an anxiety attack if I ever got to work with MJ lmao. Getting to watch him write, produce, and record these amazing songs and then just abandon them would drive me nuts.

 

[Francium]

Tapes with 7 (and likely more) of the songs from the Dangerous sessions that get descover last year (i'm not saying that it's the same tape) it's going in auction on Gotta Have Rock And Roll Site on Feb 19th until March 7th. These songs have already been up for auction several times, someone here should do a crowdfunding for these
https://www.gottahaverockandroll.com

(3rd time that Seven Digits is put on auction, bruh)

Min bid: $85000
Ridiculous

 

[Fuzball]

Included in the cassettes are as below:

7 Digits (15:53) - Early writing session version - (Never heard. Never leaked). Song is on both sides of the cassette. Side B is a continuation of Side A. This is the first version of 7 Digits. MJ is writing the song as he sings on this, so there are several takes of the song with MJ playing with lyrical ideas. He hadn't come up with the theme of “7 Digits" yet on these early takes. But, the music is the same as his final “7 Digits" song. In between takes, MJ is talking to Bryan in the studio directing him on music ideas.

Serious Effect (rough version) (5:35) - Complete - MJ singing the whole song. This version has not been leaked. There is a leaked version online that is edited/shorter than this version and includes a rap by LL Cool J. This version has only MJ's vocals and is longer than the leaked version.

Son of Thriller (5:30) (Instrumental) - Complete - (Never released. Never heard)

She Got It (5:24) - Complete- MJ singing lead on the whole song and talking through the song to direct Bryan. (Edited/shorter version of this was leaked on YT).

Superfly Sista (original unedited rough cut) - (7:28) Complete - MJ singing lead on entire song (An edited version, that is one minute shorter than this version, appears on the Blood On The Dancefloor album).

Work That Body - (5:43) - (original unedited rough cut). Complete song - MJ singing lead on the whole song. An edited version that is 2 minutes shorter than this version was leaked on YT.

All The Truth You Need (3:10) (Never before heard. Never leaked). Lead Vocals by Bryan Loren with MJ Singing Background Vocals and the Chorus.

Call It Off - (4:15)- Complete- (never leaked. Never heard). Bryan Loren singing lead, MJ singing the chorus. MJ sings, “Call It Off, Call the whole thing off. I Don't Want to Marry You".

Truth On The Youth with LL Cool J (Never before heard. Never leaked). LL Cool J Full vocals/rap. LL Sings Michael's parts. A tour de force from LL doing everybody's parts in the song. No MJ vocals on this song. LL did this version as a guide for MJ to sing his verses.

Don't Believe It - 2 different versions (4:46). (Never heard. Never leaked). MJ sang the whole song while coming up with lyrics and melody ideas. Talking to Bryan as well.

Work (Janet Jackson lead vocals) (5:25) - Original Unedited Version (a shorter version leaked on YT).

To Satisfy You (Lead Vocals Byran Loren with MJ singing the chorus) - Rare, but it appears on Bryan's solo album)

And finally, there will be an additional more modern cassette in this lot of Michael Jackson singing the classic “San Francisco" acapella. It is from these same sessions. Very short (only 15 seconds) but never before heard before.

 

[Eventidescape1]

Included in the cassettes are as below:

7 Digits (15:53) - Early writing session version - (Never heard. Never leaked). Song is on both sides of the cassette. Side B is a continuation of Side A. This is the first version of 7 Digits. MJ is writing the song as he sings on this, so there are several takes of the song with MJ playing with lyrical ideas. He hadn't come up with the theme of “7 Digits" yet on these early takes. But, the music is the same as his final “7 Digits" song. In between takes, MJ is talking to Bryan in the studio directing him on music ideas.

Serious Effect (rough version) (5:35) - Complete - MJ singing the whole song. This version has not been leaked. There is a leaked version online that is edited/shorter than this version and includes a rap by LL Cool J. This version has only MJ's vocals and is longer than the leaked version.

Son of Thriller (5:30) (Instrumental) - Complete - (Never released. Never heard)

She Got It (5:24) - Complete- MJ singing lead on the whole song and talking through the song to direct Bryan. (Edited/shorter version of this was leaked on YT).

Superfly Sista (original unedited rough cut) - (7:28) Complete - MJ singing lead on entire song (An edited version, that is one minute shorter than this version, appears on the Blood On The Dancefloor album).

Work That Body - (5:43) - (original unedited rough cut). Complete song - MJ singing lead on the whole song. An edited version that is 2 minutes shorter than this version was leaked on YT.

All The Truth You Need (3:10) (Never before heard. Never leaked). Lead Vocals by Bryan Loren with MJ Singing Background Vocals and the Chorus.

Call It Off - (4:15)- Complete- (never leaked. Never heard). Bryan Loren singing lead, MJ singing the chorus. MJ sings, “Call It Off, Call the whole thing off. I Don't Want to Marry You".

Truth On The Youth with LL Cool J (Never before heard. Never leaked). LL Cool J Full vocals/rap. LL Sings Michael's parts. A tour de force from LL doing everybody's parts in the song. No MJ vocals on this song. LL did this version as a guide for MJ to sing his verses.

Don't Believe It - 2 different versions (4:46). (Never heard. Never leaked). MJ sang the whole song while coming up with lyrics and melody ideas. Talking to Bryan as well.

Work (Janet Jackson lead vocals) (5:25) - Original Unedited Version (a shorter version leaked on YT).

To Satisfy You (Lead Vocals Byran Loren with MJ singing the chorus) - Rare, but it appears on Bryan's solo album)

And finally, there will be an additional more modern cassette in this lot of Michael Jackson singing the classic “San Francisco" acapella. It is from these same sessions. Very short (only 15 seconds) but never before heard before.

So these are Shana's tapes then. You can see that 7 Digits cassette in some Youtube video she made ages back... That would be proof for me. But for someone seeing this for the first time, I'd at least expect (or request if it gets to that) some audio proof that the contents of these tapes are genuine.

I sure hope these songs/versions surface in HQ form. If the Estate is not gonna release those collaborations (as they made clear to Bryan himself several years ago, they have NO PLANS to do so), then fans should certainly help themselves!!
It's not like Michael's ever gonna come back and finish them. We can appreciate those tracks for what they are, regardless of how finished they are (subject to opinion of course)

Of course, Bryan's material does pale in comparison to the Teddy Riley-produced cuts on Dangerous, but still exciting to hear new material as always

 

[smoothvillain]

Min bid: $85000
Ridiculous

Not enough Michael vocals on this tape to justify that price. We shall see.

 

[smoothvillain]

So these are Shana's tapes then. You can see that 7 Digits cassette in some Youtube video she made ages back... That would be proof for me. But for someone seeing this for the first time, I'd at least expect (or request if it gets to that) some audio proof that the contents of these tapes are genuine.

I sure hope these songs/versions surface in HQ form. If the Estate is not gonna release those collaborations (as they made clear to Bryan himself several years ago, they have NO PLANS to do so), then fans should certainly help themselves!!
It's not like Michael's ever gonna come back and finish them. We can appreciate those tracks for what they are, regardless of how finished they are (subject to opinion of course)

Of course, Bryan's material does pale in comparison to the Teddy Riley-produced cuts on Dangerous, but still exciting to hear new material as always

Honestly, pretty smart of her to put them up for sale right after the news of similar material found in the storage locker was reported. Good timing and may give the auction more attention than it would've gotten any other time.

 

[Moonwalker50]

I feel like I would’ve had an anxiety attack if I ever got to work with MJ lmao. Getting to watch him write, produce, and record these amazing songs and then just abandon them would drive me nuts.

Like frfr lol

 

[Fuzball]

Michael Jackson Estate Beefing With Auction House Over Unreleased Music for Sale

Michael Jackson's estate has issues with an auction house planning to sell his unreleased music to the highest bidder.

www.tmz.com

 

[SeriousFX]

Michael Jackson Estate Beefing With Auction House Over Unreleased Music for Sale

Michael Jackson's estate has issues with an auction house planning to sell his unreleased music to the highest bidder.

www.tmz.com

All this for tracks they may never release as long as they're still running.

 

[ChanceToDance]

7 Digits (15:53) - Early writing session version - (Never heard. Never leaked). Song is on both sides of the cassette. Side B is a continuation of Side A. This is the first version of 7 Digits. MJ is writing the song as he sings on this, so there are several takes of the song with MJ playing with lyrical ideas. He hadn't come up with the theme of “7 Digits" yet on these early takes. But, the music is the same as his final “7 Digits" song. In between takes, MJ is talking to Bryan in the studio directing him on music ideas.

Does that mean there's a version of 7 Digits with complete vocals out there?

 

[Fuzball]

Does that mean there's a version of 7 Digits with complete vocals out there?

I think so.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Included in the cassettes are as below:

7 Digits (15:53) - Early writing session version - (Never heard. Never leaked). Song is on both sides of the cassette. Side B is a continuation of Side A. This is the first version of 7 Digits. MJ is writing the song as he sings on this, so there are several takes of the song with MJ playing with lyrical ideas. He hadn't come up with the theme of “7 Digits" yet on these early takes. But, the music is the same as his final “7 Digits" song. In between takes, MJ is talking to Bryan in the studio directing him on music ideas.

Serious Effect (rough version) (5:35) - Complete - MJ singing the whole song. This version has not been leaked. There is a leaked version online that is edited/shorter than this version and includes a rap by LL Cool J. This version has only MJ's vocals and is longer than the leaked version.

Son of Thriller (5:30) (Instrumental) - Complete - (Never released. Never heard)

She Got It (5:24) - Complete- MJ singing lead on the whole song and talking through the song to direct Bryan. (Edited/shorter version of this was leaked on YT).

Superfly Sista (original unedited rough cut) - (7:28) Complete - MJ singing lead on entire song (An edited version, that is one minute shorter than this version, appears on the Blood On The Dancefloor album).

Work That Body - (5:43) - (original unedited rough cut). Complete song - MJ singing lead on the whole song. An edited version that is 2 minutes shorter than this version was leaked on YT.

All The Truth You Need (3:10) (Never before heard. Never leaked). Lead Vocals by Bryan Loren with MJ Singing Background Vocals and the Chorus.

Call It Off - (4:15)- Complete- (never leaked. Never heard). Bryan Loren singing lead, MJ singing the chorus. MJ sings, “Call It Off, Call the whole thing off. I Don't Want to Marry You".

Truth On The Youth with LL Cool J (Never before heard. Never leaked). LL Cool J Full vocals/rap. LL Sings Michael's parts. A tour de force from LL doing everybody's parts in the song. No MJ vocals on this song. LL did this version as a guide for MJ to sing his verses.

Don't Believe It - 2 different versions (4:46). (Never heard. Never leaked). MJ sang the whole song while coming up with lyrics and melody ideas. Talking to Bryan as well.

Work (Janet Jackson lead vocals) (5:25) - Original Unedited Version (a shorter version leaked on YT).

To Satisfy You (Lead Vocals Byran Loren with MJ singing the chorus) - Rare, but it appears on Bryan's solo album)

And finally, there will be an additional more modern cassette in this lot of Michael Jackson singing the classic “San Francisco" acapella. It is from these same sessions. Very short (only 15 seconds) but never before heard before.

Pretty interesting to get some details on the tracks we haven't heard. Thanks for posting.

 

[Fuzball]

So, Michael was singing the Scott McKenzie song in between sessions?

 

[Skylover]

Michael Jackson Estate Beefing With Auction House Over Unreleased Music for Sale

Michael Jackson's estate has issues with an auction house planning to sell his unreleased music to the highest bidder.

www.tmz.com

the late singer's estate is blasting the sale as a "sad attempt by an auction site to mislead the public."

 

[SmoothGangsta]

It's explained why they said that in the article.

 

[Victorious]

U

Does that mean there's a version of 7 Digits with complete vocals out there?

Unless they mean the leaked stuff with 'final version'

 

[Derek1984]

Included in the cassettes are as below:

7 Digits (15:53) - Early writing session version - (Never heard. Never leaked). Song is on both sides of the cassette. Side B is a continuation of Side A. This is the first version of 7 Digits. MJ is writing the song as he sings on this, so there are several takes of the song with MJ playing with lyrical ideas. He hadn't come up with the theme of “7 Digits" yet on these early takes. But, the music is the same as his final “7 Digits" song. In between takes, MJ is talking to Bryan in the studio directing him on music ideas.

Serious Effect (rough version) (5:35) - Complete - MJ singing the whole song. This version has not been leaked. There is a leaked version online that is edited/shorter than this version and includes a rap by LL Cool J. This version has only MJ's vocals and is longer than the leaked version.

Son of Thriller (5:30) (Instrumental) - Complete - (Never released. Never heard)

She Got It (5:24) - Complete- MJ singing lead on the whole song and talking through the song to direct Bryan. (Edited/shorter version of this was leaked on YT).

Superfly Sista (original unedited rough cut) - (7:28) Complete - MJ singing lead on entire song (An edited version, that is one minute shorter than this version, appears on the Blood On The Dancefloor album).

Work That Body - (5:43) - (original unedited rough cut). Complete song - MJ singing lead on the whole song. An edited version that is 2 minutes shorter than this version was leaked on YT.

All The Truth You Need (3:10) (Never before heard. Never leaked). Lead Vocals by Bryan Loren with MJ Singing Background Vocals and the Chorus.

Call It Off - (4:15)- Complete- (never leaked. Never heard). Bryan Loren singing lead, MJ singing the chorus. MJ sings, “Call It Off, Call the whole thing off. I Don't Want to Marry You".

Truth On The Youth with LL Cool J (Never before heard. Never leaked). LL Cool J Full vocals/rap. LL Sings Michael's parts. A tour de force from LL doing everybody's parts in the song. No MJ vocals on this song. LL did this version as a guide for MJ to sing his verses.

Don't Believe It - 2 different versions (4:46). (Never heard. Never leaked). MJ sang the whole song while coming up with lyrics and melody ideas. Talking to Bryan as well.

Work (Janet Jackson lead vocals) (5:25) - Original Unedited Version (a shorter version leaked on YT).

To Satisfy You (Lead Vocals Byran Loren with MJ singing the chorus) - Rare, but it appears on Bryan's solo album)

And finally, there will be an additional more modern cassette in this lot of Michael Jackson singing the classic “San Francisco" acapella. It is from these same sessions. Very short (only 15 seconds) but never before heard before.

This is great but given the info, I wouldn't pay much for this. I wish MJ did lead vocals on To Satisfy You, but this does not have it.