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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

I was reading through the tax court memo. Could it be, that the songs w/ full vocals that are according to Doelp not in a releasable state, the very ones John Barnes had talked about? Barnes said some of his work wasn't transfered entirely on to tape.



The fact we begin with is that Jackson’s vault held 7,000 to 10,000 pieces of tape. The Estate called an entirely credible witness, John Doelp, whose job was to go through these snippets and figure out what was there. Doelp was a longtime employee with Sony and has worked in several capacities including marketing, finance, and artist-and-repertoire (finding talent).

While he was running the marketing-and-sales department, he had himself worked with Jackson. Yet Doelp found only 2 completed songs in nearly finished form that could be released, and another 25-30 with full vocals (some of which couldn’t be released).

Since Jackson’s death, the Estate has released 21 songs and confirmed the
existence of 62 other songs that have not been released and that won’t be because they are not of commercial quality.

We also find that, apart from the two songs that were in nearly finished form, the remainder needed considerable work to bring them up to commercial quality. We suspect that if the Estate had pressed the point, their unfinished character would have meant an allocation of some of their value to the Estate’s own efforts instead of their value as of the date of
Jackson’s death.

Though the songs were scattered among 7,000-10,000 pieces of tape, the
songs were there. There were at least 83 of them, because the Estate released
after Jackson’s death and confirmed another.​
 
Fuzball said:
I was reading through the tax court memo. Could it be, that the songs w/ full vocals that are according to Doelp not in a releasable state, the very ones John Barnes had talked about? Barnes said some of his work wasn't transfered entirely on to tape.



The fact we begin with is that Jackson’s vault held 7,000 to 10,000 pieces of tape. The Estate called an entirely credible witness, John Doelp, whose job was to go through these snippets and figure out what was there. Doelp was a longtime employee with Sony and has worked in several capacities including marketing, finance, and artist-and-repertoire (finding talent).

While he was running the marketing-and-sales department, he had himself worked with Jackson. Yet Doelp found only 2 completed songs in nearly finished form that could be released, and another 25-30 with full vocals (some of which couldn’t be released).

Since Jackson’s death, the Estate has released 21 songs and confirmed the
existence of 62 other songs that have not been released and that won’t be because they are not of commercial quality.

We also find that, apart from the two songs that were in nearly finished form, the remainder needed considerable work to bring them up to commercial quality. We suspect that if the Estate had pressed the point, their unfinished character would have meant an allocation of some of their value to the Estate’s own efforts instead of their value as of the date of
Jackson’s death.

Though the songs were scattered among 7,000-10,000 pieces of tape, the
songs were there. There were at least 83 of them, because the Estate released
after Jackson’s death and confirmed another.​
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It's true that only 25/30 songs with vocals seem suspicious to me. I don't really understand this story of 83 songs... What is actually included in it?
 
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The information posted from the auction house is interesting but at the same time disappointing. Hopefully, these songs are further along. Only time will tell.

Just my opinion, but i think Bryan was just trying to impress Shana by giving her these tapes. Michael may not have even known these existed. They could've possibly contributed to Bryan being let go from working on Dangerous since he was known for not keeping things they worked on confidential.
 
Fuzball said:
I was reading through the tax court memo. Could it be, that the songs w/ full vocals that are according to Doelp not in a releasable state, the very ones John Barnes had talked about? Barnes said some of his work wasn't transfered entirely on to tape.



The fact we begin with is that Jackson’s vault held 7,000 to 10,000 pieces of tape. The Estate called an entirely credible witness, John Doelp, whose job was to go through these snippets and figure out what was there. Doelp was a longtime employee with Sony and has worked in several capacities including marketing, finance, and artist-and-repertoire (finding talent).

While he was running the marketing-and-sales department, he had himself worked with Jackson. Yet Doelp found only 2 completed songs in nearly finished form that could be released, and another 25-30 with full vocals (some of which couldn’t be released).

Since Jackson’s death, the Estate has released 21 songs and confirmed the
existence of 62 other songs that have not been released and that won’t be because they are not of commercial quality.

We also find that, apart from the two songs that were in nearly finished form, the remainder needed considerable work to bring them up to commercial quality. We suspect that if the Estate had pressed the point, their unfinished character would have meant an allocation of some of their value to the Estate’s own efforts instead of their value as of the date of
Jackson’s death.

Though the songs were scattered among 7,000-10,000 pieces of tape, the
songs were there. There were at least 83 of them, because the Estate released
after Jackson’s death and confirmed another.​
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My curiosity is the 2 songs, and whether or not we already know them.
 
Two new snippets are floating around: an HQ snippet of an untitled Thriller era demo (allegedly titled “Tonight”) and what sounds like a seminar recording of “Crack Kills.”

Both sound pretty legit to my ears.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Two new snippets are floating around: an HQ snippet of an untitled Thriller era demo (allegedly titled “Tonight”) and what sounds like a seminar recording of “Crack Kills.”

Both sound pretty legit to my ears.
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Any link? Not finding anything on YT. I've never heard about a demo called Tonight.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Two new snippets are floating around: an HQ snippet of an untitled Thriller era demo (allegedly titled “Tonight”) and what sounds like a seminar recording of “Crack Kills.”

Both sound pretty legit to my ears.
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Did they play Crack Kills in any seminar?
 
AlwaysThere said:
Two new snippets are floating around: an HQ snippet of an untitled Thriller era demo (allegedly titled “Tonight”) and what sounds like a seminar recording of “Crack Kills.”

Both sound pretty legit to my ears.
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Are you able to tell us the length of both snippets? That's big if true.

Hopefully they're really legit and not just well-made A.Is. It's a scary time we live in that those are becoming harder and harder to distinguish.
 
I genuinely don’t know the rules about sharing stuff like this anymore, so if this goes against anything I apologize! Also for the record, I didn’t leak these—they’re public on another site.

“Crack Kills” sounds legit and even partially matches the handwritten lyrics we’ve had for years (“It’s such a loser!”). “Tonight” could be really good AI, it’s hard to tell.

 
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