Dangerous 2LP 33RPM & SACD announced

The strategy is to throw shit at us and put a good one in between every few years so we stay quiet.
Maybe you should blame Mike for being lazy compared to Prince, James Brown, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc. who were constantly recording. They had an excess of unreleased material. After 1982, Mike only had 4 albums in a 27 year period. Maybe another album worth of collaborations with others (Rockwell, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney, Dave Mason, etc.). The Jackson 5 released the same amount of albums in 2 years, plus the Motown solo Mike, Jackie, & Jermaine records. There are still over 250 unreleased J5 related songs on Motown including an instrumental solo album by Tito. Jimmy Jam said Prince would write, record, and mix a song in 1 day, and he was often playing all of the instruments, which is a slower process. Jimmy said Mike spent an entire week on a drum track until he was satisfied.
 
Maybe you should blame Mike for being lazy compared to Prince, James Brown, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc. who were constantly recording. They had an excess of unreleased material. After 1982, Mike only had 4 albums in a 27 year period. Maybe another album worth of collaborations with others (Rockwell, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney, Dave Mason, etc.). The Jackson 5 released the same amount of albums in 2 years, plus the Motown solo Mike, Jackie, & Jermaine records. There are still over 250 unreleased J5 related songs on Motown including an instrumental solo album by Tito. Jimmy Jam said Prince would write, record, and mix a song in 1 day, and he was often playing all of the instruments, which is a slower process. Jimmy said Mike spent an entire week on a drum track until he was satisfied.
Make up your mind, DD! Was Michael lazy (er, no, he wasn't!) or was he working really hard being a perfectionist!

Prince recorded songs until they were 'good enough' and then he moved on to the next one. Different working method.
 
Maybe you should blame Mike for being lazy compared to Prince, James Brown, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc. who were constantly recording. They had an excess of unreleased material. After 1982, Mike only had 4 albums in a 27 year period. Maybe another album worth of collaborations with others (Rockwell, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney, Dave Mason, etc.). The Jackson 5 released the same amount of albums in 2 years, plus the Motown solo Mike, Jackie, & Jermaine records. There are still over 250 unreleased J5 related songs on Motown including an instrumental solo album by Tito. Jimmy Jam said Prince would write, record, and mix a song in 1 day, and he was often playing all of the instruments, which is a slower process. Jimmy said Mike spent an entire week on a drum track until he was satisfied.

Michael simply didn't shit out a record every year because he was looking for quality not quantity.
The estate claims to be the greatest estate in the world but has not yet achieved (in how many years? 16?) to have a really big quality product. Bad 25 was so close.

And if we discuss releases it doesn't need to be unreleased music. There is so many things they could do.
concerts, music videos, making of footage, private footage (?)

in 16 years we got not even one concert release in decent quality. It doesn't need to be 4K (if it's not possible)
they did not even cared to properly re-release the standard albums of History/Blood/Vince on vinyl.
 
in 16 years we got not even one concert release in decent quality. It doesn't need to be 4K (if it's not possible)
We've been teased with Victory tour footage.
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Michael simply didn't shit out a record every year because he was looking for quality not quantity.
The estate claims to be the greatest estate in the world but has not yet achieved (in how many years? 16?) [...]
I've just been listening to an MJ Cast episode and have been reminded how much I actually loathe MJE. I'd forgotten the nonsense they came out with a few weeks back about not being able to work on a Dangerous doc bc of the biopic.

I just despair, I really do!
 
Make up your mind, DD! Was Michael lazy (er, no, he wasn't!) or was he working really hard being a perfectionist!

Prince recorded songs until they were 'good enough' and then he moved on to the next one. Different working method.
Mike wasn't doing the drum track. Jimmy Jam was. Having someone else do something over and over isn't doing it himself. Anyway The Beatles & Steely Dan were perfectionists and they released albums often. It was said the Fab 4 did close to a hundred takes of Maxwell's Silver Hammer, (or Paul made them do it, the others were not that interested in the song 😆). It doesn't take 27 years to record 4 albums, no matter how much of a perfectionist someone is. Sade rarely releases albums, but she said she doesn't want to until she feels like it. She also has enough money where she doesn't have to work. Which is the same with Mike. Before the mid-1970s, it was required that acts release 2 or more albums a year. They had no choice. The labels didn't milk an album for 2 years. There was even a big deal in the music press when Stevie Wonder it was taking a long time to record Songs In The Key Of Life and there was one year where he didn't release an album. Paul Simon made a joke about it at an awards show, where he won. Paul said he was glad Stevie didn't release an album that year.
 
Mike wasn't doing the drum track. Jimmy Jam was. Having someone else do something over and over isn't doing it himself.
OK, but I was making a general point - not specifically talking about the drum programming. There is enough anecdotal evidence from people who worked with Michael who have attested, many times, to his perfectionism (him, not someone else) so I'm still going with that.

Anyway The Beatles & Steely Dan were perfectionists and they released albums often. [...]
Sure. Many bands and artists are perfectionists and also release more than Michael did. But the point you raised was Prince's output and I'm simply saying that he had a different working method to Michael - not one that was superior, imo, just different.

I'm someone who doesn't think Michael should have released another album in-between Thriller and Bad. I think Michael was quite busy enough in the 1980's. I'm also not one of the people who thinks he should have released more albums overall. I'm actually content with his catalogue.
 
We've been teased with Victory tour footage.
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And also teased with docs about Dangerous and HIStory. Which apparently cannot be completed - or even begun - bc of the biopic. Bc, obviously, when a film is being made by a FILM COMPANY and presumably also financed by said film company and the production team is put together by the FILM COMPANY and all the marketing will be done by them (if the film ever comes out) and all the casting was done by them and the script and every other freakin' thing ... well, obviously, MJE cannot possibly work on their own separate, completely stand-alone, projects bc ... well, who knows? Who actually knows what the excuse could be?

Sorry, Fuz. Been listening to MJ Cast, being reminded of the god-awfulness of MJE. I'm in a slight tetch! LOL
 
The MoFi releases actually open MJ’s music and albums up to a much wider, more serious type music collector/fan.
Ooh. Hang on - let's not over sell it. I don't know the statistics, but I'd be surprised if anybody bought a MoFi release (at such a high price) if they didn't already own the album already (and know it very well).


The way they handle releases/promtion is cheap.
To be honest, I don't need them to "handle promotion". I couldn't care less about that. As long as I hear about it, it doesn't matter who else hears about something. For me as a listener, how many people buy something is extremely unimportant.

Really, I don't need them to "handle releases" either. The "estate" shouldn't be re-releasing Albums on some sort of schedule. It's pathetic the way they try to make me rebuy Thriller every 5 years, lol.

No multichannel, no point.
You're right, it would be much better if these were in surround. But they're not, and they're still worth it.

I guess, aside from MoFi stuff, I will never buy another MJ release that isn't in surround, so in that sense I'm with you.

true.. but with that mindset nothing will ever change.
Can't we just close our eyes, forget the "estate" exists, and get on with our lives?


MoFi is the same album with a premium mastering technology solely for improving the sound quality.
It's a niche product for hifi / audiophile music lovers and hardcore fans who also enjoy listening to music in great sound quality, or fans who simply want to collect each version/pressing of an album.
I'd prefer it if we stopped using labels. "Audiophile" is just somebody who loves music. That's all it is. It's me. It's you. It's normal MJ fans. We don't need to try to distance ourselves.

Surely any MJ fan wants to hear that 8th layer of vocals? Or the 4th guitar?

This is a fantastic release and a surprise for those of us who care. The Thriller and OTW releases sounded absolutely fantastic so I have high expectations here.
Indeed. Dangerous is a complex album with a lot that's hidden. This is our first chance to hear detail that has been buried for over 30 years.

And yeah, I'm disappointed in any fan who doesn't care about the meticulous care and attention MJ put into his recordings.😢
 
my two cents on this, cool release, don't get why just a standard vinyl and not a One-Step. Although I'm not 100% with their mastering of Off The Wall and Thriller, I'm curious to hear this one.

True, the estate didn't do many projects that also imo should've been done. Michael is known for pushing each format further than ever before and 4K short films, concerts and new music etc should've been done, but that is not the main job of the estate. If any documentary is going into production, I want Spike Lee to direct. Thriller 40 was really lackluster and the fact that he wasn't even asked to do it is just... .

From what I've heard, the biopic will be in theaters early next year and will be accompanied by a new album coming out around the same time, but I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.
 
The mofi stuff vinyl sacd will only buy Mj fans normal people don't know about it is also not smart online sell only as in store
 
Maybe you should blame Mike for being lazy compared to Prince, James Brown, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc. who were constantly recording. They had an excess of unreleased material. After 1982, Mike only had 4 albums in a 27 year period. Maybe another album worth of collaborations with others (Rockwell, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney, Dave Mason, etc.). The Jackson 5 released the same amount of albums in 2 years, plus the Motown solo Mike, Jackie, & Jermaine records. There are still over 250 unreleased J5 related songs on Motown including an instrumental solo album by Tito. Jimmy Jam said Prince would write, record, and mix a song in 1 day, and he was often playing all of the instruments, which is a slower process. Jimmy said Mike spent an entire week on a drum track until he was satisfied.

I prefer QUALITY over quantity.
But to each his own..

(.. and I do enjoy many of Prince‘s songs. But IMO most of his material is not near the quality of what ended up on MJ‘s 6 1/2 albums of new material!)
 
Maybe you should blame Mike for being lazy compared to Prince, James Brown, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc. who were constantly recording. They had an excess of unreleased material. After 1982, Mike only had 4 albums in a 27 year period. Maybe another album worth of collaborations with others (Rockwell, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney, Dave Mason, etc.). The Jackson 5 released the same amount of albums in 2 years, plus the Motown solo Mike, Jackie, & Jermaine records. There are still over 250 unreleased J5 related songs on Motown including an instrumental solo album by Tito. Jimmy Jam said Prince would write, record, and mix a song in 1 day, and he was often playing all of the instruments, which is a slower process. Jimmy said Mike spent an entire week on a drum track until he was satisfied.
I don't doubt for a second Michael could've churned out song after song but his schedule was busier than many.I said in a previous post that Prince may have thousands of unreleased songs but how many are actual quality? It was easy for Michael to record at Motown because he wasn't writing the songs, just singing them. I do agree that Michael stood in his own way when it came to recording and how he would abandon a song once he had a new idea instead of working on them together
 
The mofi stuff vinyl sacd will only buy Mj fans normal people don't know about it is also not smart online sell only as in store
That release is not even made for MJ fans but for audiophiles and collectors, that‘s what MoFi‘s for. Although I think their masters are either hit or miss, I appreciate the Hi-Res transfers which I then remaster myself to what it‘s supposed to sound like
 
I don't doubt for a second Michael could've churned out song after song but his schedule was busier than many.I said in a previous post that Prince may have thousands of unreleased songs but how many are actual quality? It was easy for Michael to record at Motown because he wasn't writing the songs, just singing them. I do agree that Michael stood in his own way when it came to recording and how he would abandon a song once he had a new idea instead of working on them together
Marvin Gaye was writing his own songs. Smokey Robinson was writing his own songs and also writing for and/or producing other acts at the same time. So was Stevie Wonder, Barry White, James Brown, Ray Parker Jr., George Clinton, and other singers. Stevie wrote and produced a few Jackson 5 songs, which are still unreleased except for Buttercup and that was decades after it was recorded. Stevie also played on a lot of other acts songs that he didn't produce, usually harmonica. In the 1970s & 1980s Phil Collins did session work in addition to his own albums, Genesis, & Brand X. Phil did some acting as well during that time. The members of the band Toto played on a lot of artists records, they started out as session guys before they were a group, and continued while they were a band themselves. Teddy Riley was a member of the group Guy and Babyface was a member of The Deele and later a solo singer.
 
Interesting to me that people criticise Michael's way of working when exactly this brought him the success he had.

For me it's also quality over quantity. He didn't only make music, remember that...he also had a lot of other things going on. And, ah, people also need to pause some times, especially when your work is in the creative field. You can't just produce new ideas like a machine - at least not when you want it to be great.
 
Marvin Gaye was writing his own songs. Smokey Robinson was writing his own songs and also writing for and/or producing other acts at the same time. So was Stevie Wonder, Barry White, James Brown, Ray Parker Jr., George Clinton, and other singers. Stevie wrote and produced a few Jackson 5 songs, which are still unreleased except for Buttercup and that was decades after it was recorded. Stevie also played on a lot of other acts songs that he didn't produce, usually harmonica. In the 1970s & 1980s Phil Collins did session work in addition to his own albums, Genesis, & Brand X. Phil did some acting as well during that time. The members of the band Toto played on a lot of artists records, they started out as session guys before they were a group, and continued while they were a band themselves. Teddy Riley was a member of the group Guy and Babyface was a member of The Deele and later a solo singer.
and that didn't work for Michael but I wouldn't go out of my way to call him lazy.
 
Marvin Gaye was writing his own songs.
Marvin was already writing songs in his teens, that is true. He was 20 (or 21?) years old when he joined Tamla.

The Four Tops, Martha Reeves & The Vandellas, The Temptations, The Supremes - they didn't write their own songs. They did release lots of albums. Simple reason - the rate at which albums were released at Tamla is purely down to the 'machine'. If songs are written, arranged, played and produced by other people, then of course a singing group can release many albums in a short space of time.

Yes, yes, The Beatles! Blah blah!

Smokey Robinson was writing his own songs and also writing for and/or producing other acts at the same time.
Smokey did start writing songs when he was at high school, I believe. He was still a teenager when he joined forces with Berry Gordy and he was able to impress Berry Gordy enough that he became, in essence, almost a co-founder of Tamla.

So was Stevie Wonder,
Stevie was a child prodigy, for sure. He was co-writing songs at Tamla as a young teenager. Not everyone can be Stevie!

Barry White, James Brown, Ray Parker Jr., George Clinton, and other singers. Stevie wrote and produced a few Jackson 5 songs, which are still unreleased except for Buttercup and that was decades after it was recorded. Stevie also played on a lot of other acts songs that he didn't produce, usually harmonica. In the 1970s & 1980s Phil Collins did session work in addition to his own albums, Genesis, & Brand X. Phil did some acting as well during that time. The members of the band Toto played on a lot of artists records, they started out as session guys before they were a group, and continued while they were a band themselves. Teddy Riley was a member of the group Guy and Babyface was a member of The Deele and later a solo singer.
The only thing this proves, imo, is that different artists work in different ways, at a different rate and with different levels of success. It just means Michael was Michael. He can't be anyone else and they cannot be him.
 
Exactly! Quoted for emphasis.

Also - the Keyword: Success
I guess Phil Collins is an obscure artist. 🤣
The only thing this proves, imo, is that different artists work in different ways, at a different rate and with different levels of success. It just means Michael was Michael. He can't be anyone else and they cannot be him.
Mike was mainly about releasing a lot of songs from an album as singles and to sell the most possible. It has little to do with how often he recorded. He probably didn't record because he was rich enough to not do so, especially after buying the song catalog. Also the success of any artist has more to do with the promotional department of a record company, than the artist themselves. If Mike was signed to Malaco Records instead of Epic, he would be nowhere near as popular, because Malaco does not have the power or money of CBS/Sony. Malaco couldn't have afforded someone like Quincy Jones. Jennifer Lopez is more popular than Shanice Wilson, because J-Lo has the big money behind her. In general, white artists are more successful than non-white ones because more money is usually spent on them and the mainstream media talks about them more as well. Whitney Houston was popular because Clive Davis made it so. Clive didn't do the same for Phyllis Hyman & Angela Bofill. Non-white artists had to "crossover" to the Top 40, which is basically code for white audience. Even David Bowie asked MTV why they didn't play videos by Black artists.
 
I guess Phil Collins is an obscure artist. 🤣

Mike was mainly about releasing a lot of songs from an album as singles and to sell the most possible. It has little to do with how often he recorded. He probably didn't record because he was rich enough to not do so, especially after buying the song catalog. Also the success of any artist has more to do with the promotional department of a record company, than the artist themselves. If Mike was signed to Malaco Records instead of Epic, he would be nowhere near as popular, because Malaco does not have the power or money of CBS/Sony. Malaco couldn't have afforded someone like Quincy Jones. Jennifer Lopez is more popular than Shanice Wilson, because J-Lo has the big money behind her. In general, white artists are more successful than non-white ones because more money is usually spent on them and the mainstream media talks about them more as well. Whitney Houston was popular because Clive Davis made it so. Clive didn't do the same for Phyllis Hyman & Angela Bofill. Non-white artists had to "crossover" to the Top 40, which is basically code for white audience. Even David Bowie asked MTV why they didn't play videos by Black artists.
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You don’t make any sense.
 
I guess Phil Collins is an obscure artist. 🤣

Mike was mainly about releasing a lot of songs from an album as singles and to sell the most possible. It has little to do with how often he recorded. He probably didn't record because he was rich enough to not do so, especially after buying the song catalog. Also the success of any artist has more to do with the promotional department of a record company, than the artist themselves. If Mike was signed to Malaco Records instead of Epic, he would be nowhere near as popular, because Malaco does not have the power or money of CBS/Sony. Malaco couldn't have afforded someone like Quincy Jones. Jennifer Lopez is more popular than Shanice Wilson, because J-Lo has the big money behind her. In general, white artists are more successful than non-white ones because more money is usually spent on them and the mainstream media talks about them more as well. Whitney Houston was popular because Clive Davis made it so. Clive didn't do the same for Phyllis Hyman & Angela Bofill. Non-white artists had to "crossover" to the Top 40, which is basically code for white audience. Even David Bowie asked MTV why they didn't play videos by Black artists.
but how can you say this after saying Michael was lazy when he was simply maximizing quality into his albums?
 
So the official MFSL website has the SACD delivered to the UK for $57.16.

I LOVE the fact that Michael's work is regarded as worthy of this type of serious attention from people who know what they're doing.
Yeah, it's pretty good. The only Grammy that Dangerous won was for sound quality. It was the best sounding album of the year.

Interesting, then I supposed the vinyl and SACD will be similar, and then the SACD would enough for me if that's the case.
The SACD will sound much better than the vinyl.

I would be surprised if they actually "improve" it compare to the original 1991 CDs.
They did a great job with Nevermind, which came out about a month before Dangerous. That was the first MoFi release I bought - it was great, and that was just on a regular CD. I'm really excited for this. It's probably MJ's most technically complicated album, so releasing it on SACD has a lot of potential.
 
Going to do a quick re-wind. kai does not like MJE bc he feels the products they put out are low quality and low in quantity.
[...] The strategy is to throw shit at us and put a good one in between every few years so we stay quiet.

To which you replied:
Maybe you should blame Mike for being lazy compared to Prince, James Brown, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc. who were constantly recording. [...]
Not sure if you were playing Devil's Advocate there or if you genuinely think Michael was lazy compared to Prince etc. Either way, I disagree and that's the point I've been addressing. Different artists have different ways of working. There are definitely Michael fans who think he should have released more records but, as I said already, I'm not one of them. I think his output was just fine.

Mike was mainly about releasing a lot of songs from an album as singles and to sell the most possible. It has little to do with how often he recorded. [...]
Not sure this is relevant! I don't think anyone was talking about this! 🤨

I'm off topic! If people think Michael was lazy compared to Prince, fine (I guess), but I disagree strongly. That's all I'm saying.
 
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