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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

MJ probably wouldn't have been too unsatisfied with some of the remixes on "Xscape" also, especially considering Damien made it a point that Timbaland's remix of DYKWYCA (that remix slaps and I'll die on this hill) has sonic similarities between a track from MJ's final years called "She Don't Love Me" specifically.

I like to imagine how his reaction would've been if he heard the remix of "Love Never Felt So Good" and saw that it managed to become a posthumous hit, a song that by the time of his death was essentially just a scrap of which he probably had long forgotten of.

I can't remember what it was said exactly, but around the time "This Is It" was released someone from the Estate talked about how they imagine Michael would have felt about his rehearsal footage being viewed by the public, and they said something in the lines of how he wouldn't really be happy given his perfectionism, but at the same time he'd be grateful with how the fans were able to cherish it and with how much of a success it managed to be, and I think the same would apply when it comes to something like this.
 
ChanceToDance said:
MJ probably wouldn't have been too unsatisfied with some of the remixes on "Xscape" also, especially considering Damien made it a point that Timbaland's remix of DYKWYCA (that remix slaps and I'll die on this hill) has sonic similarities between a track from MJ's final years called "She Don't Love Me" specifically.

I like to imagine how his reaction would've been if he heard the remix of "Love Never Felt So Good" and saw that it managed to become a posthumous hit, a song that by the time of his death was essentially just a scrap of which he probably had long forgotten of.

I can't remember what it was said exactly, but around the time "This Is It" was released someone from the Estate talked about how they imagine Michael would have felt about his rehearsal footage being viewed by the public, and they said something in the lines of how he wouldn't really be happy given his perfectionism, but at the same time he'd be grateful with how the fans were able to cherish it and with how much of a success it managed to be, and I think the same would apply when it comes to something like this.
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I think you are right but if he would be happy with it is a slightly different subject, what I don't understand is why no one really seem to bother to make the demo's as authentic as possible. If you know a demo is from the 90s than using sounds from that era isn't that much to ask for lol
 
There is 0 direction in which we can be the judge of what the estate can and can’t do with his work, whether we like it or not they are the embodiment of Michael himself, and they have been entrusted to “continue” his legacy. Michael is dead, and can no longer make the calls. Remixing, modifying, photoshopping his work doesn’t matter as long as what Michael himself released is still around, that is all that we as fans can be consistent of - that Michael’s released work between 1958-2009 is Michael’s REAL work. Everything else is extra.
 
Beano Wild said:
There is 0 direction in which we can be the judge of what the estate can and can’t do with his work, whether we like it or not they are the embodiment of Michael himself, and they have been entrusted to “continue” his legacy. Michael is dead, and can no longer make the calls. Remixing, modifying, photoshopping his work doesn’t matter as long as what Michael himself released is still around, that is all that we as fans can be consistent of - that Michael’s released work between 1958-2009 is Michael’s REAL work. Everything else is extra.
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Lol no.

MJ being dead does not mean the estate are him and does not exclude them from criticism.
 
Victorious said:
if he would be happy with it is a slightly different subject, what I don't understand is why no one really seem to bother to make the demo's as authentic as possible. If you know a demo is from the 90s than using sounds from that era isn't that much to ask for lol
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Yeah with everything we know about his work ethics he would absolutely hate having someone else toy with his music and alter it to the point it completely changes the vision he had for it, and with his unfinished music on top of that. But when it comes to songs like "Chicago", "Hold My Hand", "Love Never Felt So Good" or whatever became a hit I think he'd be pleased with the end result somewhat.
 
threepea11 said:
Especially when you gatekeep songs and act like you own them when you technically obtained them illegally
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it's even worse when you realize he and his friend got those songs not by buying or trading or even proving their trustworthiness, but by recording private collectors behind their back whenever they played stuff for them.

with that in mind, dude is all sorts of slimy.
 
SeriousFX said:
it's even worse when you realize he and his friend got those songs not by buying or trading or even proving their trustworthiness, but by recording private collectors behind their back whenever they played stuff for them.

with that in mind, dude is all sorts of slimy.
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Oh shit, I thought he just obtained those songs when the Sony servers leaked in 2013, but nah that's even worse
 
ChanceToDance said:
Yeah with everything we know about his work ethics he would absolutely hate having someone else toy with his music and alter it to the point it completely changes the vision he had for it, and with his unfinished music on top of that. But when it comes to songs like "Chicago", "Hold My Hand", "Love Never Felt So Good" or whatever became a hit I think he'd be pleased with the end result somewhat.
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Like I've said before, if anybody had told late-era MJ that a producer would come in, take a bunch of his old demos and outtakes and turn them into a nice-selling album and a top 10 hit, without MJ himself having to lift a finger, record vocals or tour, he would have been over the moon.
 
kreen said:
Like I've said before, if anybody had told late-era MJ that a producer would come in, take a bunch of his old demos and outtakes and turn them into a nice-selling album and a top 10 hit, without MJ himself having to lift a finger, record vocals or tour, he would have been over the moon.
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Yeah, MJ, the artist who was seriously protective of his unfinished work to the point of stopping recording vocals so it didn't leak before it was ready, would love someone else to go through all his old unfinished stuff and release it without his participation.
 
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I think MJ would definitely be the most pleased with Neff-U's remixes since not only he's a producer who Michael himself selected to specifically tinker with his old demos but his remixes have also remained faithful to his demos for the most part. "Best Of Joy" would probably be an exception to that though, I can imagine MJ sticking to the laid-back nature of the demo since the song retained that vibe for decades.
 
SeriousFX said:
it's even worse when you realize he and his friend got those songs not by buying or trading or even proving their trustworthiness, but by recording private collectors behind their back whenever they played stuff for them.

with that in mind, dude is all sorts of slimy.
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You don’t know anything about me 💀

You realize most things leak because people record collectors right, and just because they buy shit and sell shit they don’t own doesn’t make them more of good people 💀

I would argue it makes them worse and the people who get to listen to them from these people, who share the songs or leak them are the ones who always get praised, so how about you pick a struggle MJ community, imagine defending collectors who buy tracks from hackers or people who betrayed Michael by selling the work they may have worked on, or stolen from him because they were entrusted by those who worked with MJ.

You don’t know shit 💀

Oh I want more leaks, then someone shows you how the song sounds, oh leaks are bad, which is it?
 
I don't really mind Motif's shitposting on YT, it actually makes me laugh…

It's just that sometimes when he does it here it feels a bit off, like before that post it was just random shitposting without really adding to the discussion, kinda came off more like mocking tbh.

SmoothGangsta said:
How about you go shitpost on another website.
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ChanceToDance said:
I think MJ would definitely be the most pleased with Neff-U's remixes since not only he's a producer who Michael himself selected to specifically tinker with his old demos but his remixes have also remained faithful to his demos for the most part. "Best Of Joy" would probably be an exception to that though, I can imagine MJ sticking to the laid-back nature of the demo since the song retained that vibe for decades.
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Yeah I'm surprised at how much Neff-U actually changed Best Of Joy.

He did a good job with the remix for sure but I've always thought the transitions between sections sounded a bit sudden and jarring.
 
Saka21 said:
I don't really mind Motif's shitposting on YT, it actually makes me laugh…

It's just that sometimes when he does it here it feels a bit off, like before that post it was just random shitposting without really adding to the discussion, kinda came off more like mocking tbh.
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Fair point, Just trying to bring attention to the arrangements, I don’t like leaks, but these songs will leak eventually, just not by me

Just getting ahead with the memes, they’ll be a lot funnier when the songs do leak
 
Neff-U elevated “Best of Joy” for me. He definitely took some creative liberties, but I think his interpretation has more emotion and feels more well thought-out than the demo. He and McClain seem to have the best mindset as far as “reworking” songs go.
 
Fuzball said:
By rule of thumb, Michael's main engineers for recording ideas, demos or songs (actual album sessions not taken into account) were from

1979 to 1981 John van Nest
1982 to late spring of '83 Brent Averill
Spring/summer '84 Brian Malouf
post Victory tour to 1997 Matt Forger
1998 to 2009 Michael Prince
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I’ve read elsewhere that Brent Averill was Michael’s Hayvenhurst engineer from 1979 until 1984…
Not to mention Bill Bottrell from October 1985 to 1991
 
The Xscape Album should just have the remixes as second disc and not first..
Also it’s disrespectful that they remixed the song „escape“ because that one was actually finished.
 
I’ll go through all the messages of the past few days and move a bunch of them to the leakers discussion.

Please, if what you say is not to do with the ACTUAL CONTENTS OF THE SONG/MAKING OF THE SONG, don’t say it here.
 
I’m not having y’all diss the reworked Xscape version of Loving You , which I thought was brilliant and really better than the bland and dated demo.

The only song that they really butchered on Xscape was the title track and that was by Jerkins himself , not sure how he thought his new version was better - was so boring!
 
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