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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Blues_Away2023 said:
I’m not having y’all diss the reworked Xscape version of Loving You , which I thought was brilliant and really better than the bland and dated demo.

The only song that they really butchered on Xscape was the title track and that was by Jerkins himself , not sure how he thought his new version was better - was so boring!
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I love the remix, but I also adore the demo.

Setting aside the moral / respect element and focusing solely on quality, most of the remixes on XSCAPE are leaps and bounds ahead of the originals. The one that isn’t, for me, is “Blue Gangsta.”
 
AlwaysThere said:
I love the remix, but I also adore the demo.

Setting aside the moral / respect element and focusing solely on quality, most of the remixes on XSCAPE are leaps and bounds ahead of the originals. The one that isn’t, for me, is “Blue Gangsta.”
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I don't get this take, I never will.
I always thought the remixes were just weak and quick beats slapped together so they could throw MJ's lead on top and call it a day.

It's also why I dislike 90% of all the house, club, dance etc MJ remixes from his 90s singles, there's literally zero hint of the original song present in those.

To each his own I guess, but I never thought the majority would agree with ya lol
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
I don't get this take, I never will.
I always thought the remixes were just weak and quick beats slapped together so they could throw MJ's lead on top and call it a day.

It's also why I dislike 90% of all the house, club, dance etc MJ remixes from his 90s singles, there's literally zero hint of the original song present in those.

To each his own I guess, but I never thought the majority would agree with ya lol
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Well, it’s personal preference. I’m not defending them as authentic MJ songs, I just think the production and approach is stronger. Nothing wrong with disliking them!
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah, MJ, the artist who was seriously protective of his unfinished work to the point of stopping recording vocals so it didn't leak before it was ready, would love someone else to go through all his old unfinished stuff and release it without his participation.
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Regarding this, I know the official line about MJ not recording vocals until late in the process is because he was afraid it would leak. But of course, the same risks of songs leaking applied to all other artists in the post-Napster era. So why it would be different for him is unclear. My own opinion is that, post 2000, getting him in the studio to record vocals was difficult, for reasons that have been made all too clear since that day in June 2009. Same thing happened with Elvis, by the way, to the point where the record company brought a mobile studio to Graceland in the hope they could corner him into actually laying down some vocals.
 
How the hell did songs like Xscape even leak when Michael was alive?

Also what was the first song to ever leak and when did it?
 
Ganesh said:
Stuart Brawley posted under the name Eric Cartman many years ago. He shared it with some select fans. Then it eventually made its way to me. I shared it on a torrent network and within 24 hrs it was widespread.
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Deadass? That’s sick
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
I’m not having y’all diss the reworked Xscape version of Loving You , which I thought was brilliant and really better than the bland and dated demo.

The only song that they really butchered on Xscape was the title track and that was by Jerkins himself , not sure how he thought his new version was better - was so boring!
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Blues_Away2023

On that two songs we 100% agree!
„Loving You“ is the best work on Xscape.
Timbaland elevated a dated & little boring demo into a modern day hit.

And Jerkins managed to ruin an already perfect & finished track. maybe one of his best works with MJ, BEFORE his butchering..

Though I think there are more highlights and also more downsides to Xscape.
Thank got we got the OG‘s with it, that’s not only good for authenticity but we can also pick & choose which version is better.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
All the remixes totally miss and ruin the vibe of the original tracks. No respect paid at all.
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That’s a hardliner take. And everything but nuanced. Not at all.

‚Loving You - Remix‘ to ‚Loving You - Demo‘
is like the ‚Dangerous - Album Version‘ to ‚Dangerous - Alternative Version‘.
Leaps and bounds ahead..

The same goes for LNFSG.

Xscape, Blue Gangster & DYKWYCA (to me) are offensive.

I do enjoy both versions of Chicago, Slave & APWNN.
 
Hot_Street said:
The remix of Loving You is more uptempo than the demo and very well done. The demo's intro is quite strange, sounding like church bells underwater.
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I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but for some reason I have a feeling they didn't put a lot of effort in making sure the original versions on the album sounded as great as the remixes, quality wise
 
Victorious said:
I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but for some reason I have a feeling they didn't put a lot of effort in making sure the original versions on the album sounded as great as the remixes, quality wise
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Cory Rooney was very annoyed that a mono version of She Was Lovin' Me was used on the album too. They knew full well the original song sounded like a much better "Michael Jackson" song so they had to cripple it.
 
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Victorious said:
I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but for some reason I have a feeling they didn't put a lot of effort in making sure the original versions on the album sounded as great as the remixes, quality wise
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You’re absolutely right. Genuinely shocking how some of those demos sounded. Same with the second disc of T40.
 
Calvin Harris has an album called Funk Wav Bounces which is very vintage sounding - the intro to the original loving you demo reminds me of quite a few of the sounds on that album.

This in particular, I genuinely thought it was some warped old school tape .

 
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