BAD25 | Charts & Sales History

[GreenEyes]

I think that the Spike Lee BAD documentary should have been released in conjuction with the release of the BAD concert/CD's in the U.S. If they'd have shown the documentary on ABC network on the day before the release (Sept. 18th) the sales numbers for the U.S. would be much better right now. If you aren't a hardcore fan here, the average citizen would be totally clueless as to it's release. The Cirque du Soleil shows here in the U.S. sold VERY well, so it's not like the majority of the public is oppossed to MJ. But the Cirque shows got very good promotion here.

Here in the U.S. there has been no promotion at all, other then the largely unseen BET special.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

One of those factors is certainly Michael's lightening skin. As I remember, here in Europe it was taken as some kind of eccentricity (remember, this is the Bad era, we haven't heard of his vitiligo yet), but not really a big deal. In the US, however, IMO it was a big factor in many people turning away from him. Black people thought he did not want to be black, and white people thought he wanted to be white, which was kind of threatening for many of them IMO. Maybe color really is just skin deep? Did that thought make a lot of white people in the US uncomfortable?

^ I agree. I'm not even american, but i don't think you can underestimate the issue of race over there, it's a huge deal, even more than in the uk. It's all tied into slavery, segregation and the civil rights movement - seeing someone in the public eye 'turn white' with no explanation was 'an issue', rightly imo.

 

[ivy]

I wonder what is the product that can pull the whole fan base together to support Michael and only Michael?
What is the product that brings boycott Sony fans/ hate the estate fans/Jackson family fans and Michael Jackson fans together?

None.

There's a bunch of fans who are against the Executors saying that they won't buy anything coming from the Estate until Prince & Paris takes over control. These are the ones that are calling for boycott on any release any project.

There's another bunch that's against Sony. They believe Michael would not be releasing stuff with Sony. this group also calls for boycott.

There's a group that's not interested in any posthumous releases. They don't want anything. They aren't calling for a boycott but they do speak against posthumous releases and openly mention how and why they aren't buying any releases and how it's not right and so on.

There's another bunch that did not and will not forget Michael album. Although this group is not calling for a boycott, they refuse to buy any new release as well. As they are interested in the new projects , they tend to illegally download stuff without giving money.

There's project specific naysayers which means this group looks to every release and they find something they don't like and become very vocal about it (such as the DVD quality people right now). These criticism can be anything and everything such as in this example number of unreleased songs included, DVD quality, audio quality, audio mixing and so on.

so as you can see there's nothing that would bring people together and make everyone to support a project or a release.

 

[HIStory]

Thriller25 came out after number ones (03), the ultimate mj (04) and the essential mj (05) so alot of the thriller singles were out already on different formats in the few years before thriller25. You can make the argument that thriller25 sold far better because it had the hot artists at the time doing their versions of mj songs which created buzz, but no one seems to be making that argument on here, lol.

Maybe because those remixes were crap. LOL.
I doubt people bought it for the remixes. If that is the case then someone who is a fan of, let's say, Akon, could have downloaded just those songs, he should not have bought the whole album for that.

I don't think Ultimate MJ and Essential MJ were that big sellers at the time. It was during the trial. I know Essential then did very well in 2009 and, according to Wiki, it eventually went on to sell 17 million, but it was after Michael's death that its sales really got boosted. At least according to Wiki it charted in 2009-10.

 

[lom kit]

The original photo where his skin is darker was taken in dark light, I don't know what the photoshop skills were like back then, but it looks like they just upped the contrast which removed the grey background and made him look brighter, that made his skin look lighter. It's a strange conspiracy theory required to believe they did it intentionally. I doubt they even realized.

the background was cut out.
and you can't turn afro-american into white person by upping the contrast. image proccesing was widely ussed just like today, just wasn't avaible for everyone at the time. and they have to be blinde to not realize that.
its not conspiracy, when the difference is so obvious and it was intentional.

another example of heavy altering. contrast of course is adjusted in post production. but the rest is just like the cover.

 

[la_cienega]

and it was intentional.

According to you. It looks like they just upped the light and contrast, because the original is too dark.

 

[Memefan]

the background was cut out.
and you can't turn afro-american into white person by upping the contrast. image proccesing was widely ussed just like today, just wasn't avaible for everyone at the time. and they have to be blinde to not realize that.
its not conspiracy, when the difference is so obvious and it was intentional.

another example of heavy altering. contrast of course is adjusted in post production. but the rest is just like the cover.

Don't you think if MJ had a problem with the processing he would have sent them back to be re-worked?

This is the man who changed his Off The Wall cover because he didn't like his nose

 

[lom kit]

According to you. It looks like they just upped the light and contrast, because the original is too dark.

just like they upped the contrast on the LG cover, right? :smilerolleyes:

And what do you mean "According to you"? do you think they'll come and say, "yes, we did it intentionally"?
take the picture and up the light and contrast and show me how wrong I am.
do the same with the yellow picture. I don't know If you have any knowlegde of image processing, photoshop or anything.
Upped contrast is this picture

 

[la_cienega]

just like they upped the contrast on the LG cover, right? :smilerolleyes:

And what do you mean "According to you"? do you think they'll come and say, "yes, we did it intentionally"?

Okay, thanks for confirming you have no proof.

 

[lom kit]

Don't you think if MJ had a problem with the processing he would have sent them back to be re-worked?

This is the man who changed his Off The Wall cover because he didn't like his nose

you didn't read my previous post, he had problem with that cover.

G: Are you asking me if I’ve seen the cover of BAD?
MJ: Yeah
G: Yeah
MJ: I had light contacts on and that was all airbrushed. When you see me on Dangerous, that’s all airbrushed. That’s some airbrushing.
G: Your eyes?
MJ: Yeah. I don’t look that perfect.
G: (Laughing) Um okay. (Laughing). Don’t lie, I’m just (I)
MJ: It’s airbrushing.
G: Oh, Okay. Is there a reason you just showed your eyes and not the rest of your face?
MJ: Because I was supposed to be like a “vision into my soul”… looking into my soul.
G: Is that what it was?
MJ: It was airbrushed.
G: Cool…okay..
http://rhythmofthetide.com/category/glenda-tapes/page/2/

 

[lom kit]

Okay, thanks for confirming you have no proof.

well, if you have no knowledge about image processing and if the pictures abouve are not enough to you, thats your problem.

but you really did convince me with your assumption "It looks like they just upped the light and contrast, because the original is too dark." :doh:

 

[la_cienega]

well, if you have no knowledge about image processing and if the pictures abouve are not enough to you, thats your problem.

but you really did convince me with your assumption "It looks like they just upped the light and contrast, because the original is too dark." :doh:

Yeah, 'cause it takes two seconds to achieve the same effect by doing what I said

http://i.imgur.com/vkRxu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bLuCz.png

And yes, alleging that Michael intentionally had them done to cause controversy with his skintone needs something for me to believe it, especially to talk about it like it was a fact.

 

[lom kit]

Yeah, 'cause it takes two seconds to achieve the same effect by doing what I said

http://i.imgur.com/vkRxu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bLuCz.png

And yes, alleging that Michael intentionally had them done to cause controversy with his skintone needs something for me to believe it, especially to talk about it like it was a fact.

your right

this looks just like the original cover

next time you should spend more then two seconds, maybe then it will "work out".

AAAANNNDDD I said CBS (Sony at the time FYI) did this, not Michael. Ok?

Michael doesn't have his fingers in everything.
You guys think he had all the saying about everything. No, he didn't. he did have when it comes to audio and video, but for pictures he didn't care that much.

 

[la_cienega]

your right

next time you should spend more then two seconds, maybe then it will "work out".

I never said it looked the exact same, but just doing a two second PSP job will give a similar effect, which is what I believe it looks like they did. I assume they spent more time than two seconds, you know?

 

[Bubs]

None.

There's a bunch of fans who are against the Executors saying that they won't buy anything coming from the Estate until Prince & Paris takes over control. These are the ones that are calling for boycott on any release any project.

There's another bunch that's against Sony. They believe Michael would not be releasing stuff with Sony. this group also calls for boycott.

There's a group that's not interested in any posthumous releases. They don't want anything. They aren't calling for a boycott but they do speak against posthumous releases and openly mention how and why they aren't buying any releases and how it's not right and so on.

There's another bunch that did not and will not forget Michael album. Although this group is not calling for a boycott, they refuse to buy any new release as well. As they are interested in the new projects , they tend to illegally download stuff without giving money.

There's project specific naysayers which means this group looks to every release and they find something they don't like and become very vocal about it (such as the DVD quality people right now). These criticism can be anything and everything such as in this example number of unreleased songs included, DVD quality, audio quality, audio mixing and so on.

so as you can see there's nothing that would bring people together and make everyone to support a project or a release.

That is whole lotta boycotting:no:

 

[Paris78]

Really want to know the total sales so far of the DVD. Almost #1 in every country

I must say, I'm really happy that the DVD is doing that good. And of course ITALY RULES TODAY :bow:
Really disappointed 'bout he US sales. I hope, the Estate recognizes the problems with US Sales as we see it.
And you can say many things about John Branca & Co., but he is a smart guy.

At the end I'm really happy that BAD 25 was released + I'm eagerly awaiting the Spike docu :wild:
Truely hope that in retrospect BAD25 is counted as a success. MICHAEL DESERVES IT :8-25-03pray:

 

[Bubs]

I must say, I'm really happy that the DVD is doing that good. And of course ITALY RULES TODAY :bow:
Really disappointed 'bout he US sales. I hope, the Estate recognizes the problems with US Sales as we see it.
And you can say many things about John Branca & Co., but he is a smart guy.

At the end I'm really happy that BAD 25 was released + I'm eagerly awaiting the Spike docu :wild:
Truely hope that in retrospect BAD25 is counted as a success. MICHAEL DESERVES IT :8-25-03pray:

I agree with your post. Overall BAD 25 is brilliant release, unfortunately it has been only 3 years since people were buying BAD so maybe they don't want to buy it again just for the unreleased music.

Branca should send Howard "Pitbull" Weitzman to talk sense to Billboard staff so they change this stupid thing with Deluxe release:cheeky:

 

[Bubs]

Billboard shows this for BAD 25:
23 re-entry michael jackson
bad 25
best comeback
peak 23
wks on 2

and again the same
46 re-entry michael jackson
bad 25
best comeback
peak 23
wks on 2

If one of those is Deluxe, why everything is the same? Deluxe should read new not re-entry if it is not counted with double CD, peak position should be different for each of them, and best comeback? Deluxe cannot be best come back if it is new

http://acharts.us/us_albums_top_100

Can somebody clear this to me?

 

[pierpinto1]

None.

There's a bunch of fans who are against the Executors saying that they won't buy anything coming from the Estate until Prince & Paris takes over control. These are the ones that are calling for boycott on any release any project.

There's another bunch that's against Sony. They believe Michael would not be releasing stuff with Sony. this group also calls for boycott.

There's a group that's not interested in any posthumous releases. They don't want anything. They aren't calling for a boycott but they do speak against posthumous releases and openly mention how and why they aren't buying any releases and how it's not right and so on.

There's another bunch that did not and will not forget Michael album. Although this group is not calling for a boycott, they refuse to buy any new release as well. As they are interested in the new projects , they tend to illegally download stuff without giving money.

There's project specific naysayers which means this group looks to every release and they find something they don't like and become very vocal about it (such as the DVD quality people right now). These criticism can be anything and everything such as in this example number of unreleased songs included, DVD quality, audio quality, audio mixing and so on.

so as you can see there's nothing that would bring people together and make everyone to support a project or a release.

This is crazy, i think some fans need to get a life really.

 

[marebear]

I am confused. What did it come in on billboard? I am happy the dvd is doing well. Everybody should see the performance.

 

[ivy]

Billboard shows this for BAD 25:
23 re-entry michael jackson
bad 25
best comeback
peak 23
wks on 2

this is the 2 CD version. According to Billboard a release should only have 1 new CD of material to be added to the original. So that's why they are considering it as a "re-entry" and adding the sales number to Bad.

Refer to the original Billboard listing

23* RE-ENTRY Bad :25 Michael Jackson
Weeks on chart : 96
Peak : 1

This is clearly referencing original Bad album with 96 weeks on charts and number 1 position.

and again the same
46 re-entry michael jackson
bad 25
best comeback
peak 23
wks on 2

Actually this is marked as "debut" on Billboard and it's the 3 CD +DVD version. As it has 2 additional CD's Billboard sees it as a totally different and new release than Bad.

Original Billboard listing info

46* DEBUT Bad 25: Michael Jackson
Weeks on chart :1
Peak: 46

If one of those is Deluxe, why everything is the same? Deluxe should read new not re-entry if it is not counted with double CD, peak position should be different for each of them, and best comeback? Deluxe cannot be best come back if it is new

It's all about Billboard's rules. 1 additional CD gets added to the original item. Anything more than 1 CD is treated as a totally new thing. So according to them Bad re-entered the charts at 23 as they see 2 CD version as an extended Bad album. They also charted 3 CD _1 DVD at 46 as it's a totally new release according to them.

I am confused. What did it come in on billboard? I am happy the dvd is doing well. Everybody should see the performance.

According to their rules Billboard divided up the products.

2CD version which according to Billboard considered an extended version of the original Bad charted at 23.

3 CD +1 DVD which according to Billboard is a totally new release charted at 46.

Wembley DVD alone is the #1 on music videos.

Bad 25 is also #1 on catalog albums which is albums at least 18 months old.

 

[Karthik]

I am confused. What did it come in on billboard? I am happy the dvd is doing well. Everybody should see the performance.

As always Billboard screwed MJ up and counted the deluxe and 2CD editions separately, charting at 23 and 46.

Hopefully RIAA will count everything together.

 

[marebear]

Well the dvd is #1 which is great. As for the cd, I wish it was higher for both versions. Maybe it's just me but I am not that upset. A lot of people bought Bad after Michael died and the dvd was really the special gem of it all. I went to Walmart and they had 5 copies the day it came out. HMV had more but not a lot. I think if Michael was here the numbers would have been higher.

 

[Memefan]

Billboard shows this for BAD 25:
23 re-entry michael jackson
bad 25
best comeback
peak 23
wks on 2

and again the same
46 re-entry michael jackson
bad 25
best comeback
peak 23
wks on 2

If one of those is Deluxe, why everything is the same? Deluxe should read new not re-entry if it is not counted with double CD, peak position should be different for each of them, and best comeback? Deluxe cannot be best come back if it is new

http://acharts.us/us_albums_top_100

Can somebody clear this to me?

What do they mean by Weeks on 2? This happens when an retailer starts selling an album before the street date.

Did the album leak the week prior?

Do we know the sale for the week before official release?

 

[Sunwalker7]

What do they mean by Weeks on 2? This happens when an retailer starts selling an album before the street date.

Did the album leak the week prior?

Do we know the sale for the week before official release?

That's not an official chart though. Billboard is the official chart for the US, and according to that Bad deluxe debuted at #46, and the standard edition re-entered at #23. Bad deluxe has been on the chart for one week, the standard edition for 96 weeks. To me it looks like there's just some mistake on the acharts list.

 

[DJ_OXyGeNe_8]

According to amazon.co.uk DVD is #5

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bestsellers...m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=96DBBB98CB4645F3B31D

 

[Bubs]

That's not an official chart though. Billboard is the official chart for the US, and according to that Bad deluxe debuted at #46, and the standard edition re-entered at #23. Bad deluxe has been on the chart for one week, the standard edition for 96 weeks. To me it looks like there's just some mistake on the acharts list.

My mistake, it wasn't even Billboard chart that I posted I was inspecting all sort of charts last night and didn't even see that I wandered off Billboard:wacko:

Billboard shows correct info for BAD http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200#/charts/billboard-200

 

[Bubs]

According to amazon.co.uk DVD is #5

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bestsellers...m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=96DBBB98CB4645F3B31D

and even better in these:
Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 291 in Film & TV (See Top 100 in Film & TV)
#1 in Film & TV > Music DVDs > R&B and Soul
#1 in Film & TV > Music DVDs > Artists & Bands > Jackson, Michael
#1 in Film & TV > Music DVDs > Pop & Dance > Adult Pop

and
No 2 at HMV music DVD chart
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/navigate.do?ctx=4905;-1;-1;-1;-1&pPageID=4910

 

[Dorian]

BAD 25 #1 as the Top catalog (USA)

http://www.billboard.com/charts#/charts/catalog-albums

 

[Tygger]

Somebody earlier mention that Jackson family has supported other estate's products/ventures! Randy's letter signed by half of the family obviously was hit and miss then? Their pickering with the estate certainly hasn't helped if you ask me.

It is fact that the family has supported other estate products/ventures. Their current issues have no bearing on the sales of Bad25 as the family issues (Michael is included in that family) had no bearing on the sales of Bad in 1987.

I don't understand why ugly comments about USA fans and Michael's changing skin color are being said. That kind of ignorance happened (and still happens) globally, not just in the USA.

I'm only stating a 'business principle' to explain the poor sale numbers in various countries. To sell someone something they already have, one must repackage correctly. If the live cd was packaged with the dvd, MJ would be number one NOW and not just on the catalogue chart. Sony and the executors are responsible for packaging and did not do it correctly. It doesn't make me 'anti-estate' or 'pro-family' for saying that. (I don't like those terms anyway.)

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy my deluxe collector's edition.