Can't carry the burden anymore...

TillitsGone

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... so I choose to just distance myself away from it. Tired of feeling bad, tired of feeling sad, guilty, lost... I just don't wanna deal with ti anymore. I'm tired of questioning it, I'm tired of trying to figure it out, I can't do it. Why should I do it, does it get me anywhere, does it change anything, so why do it? I'll just shove this in the back of my mind like I do with other things. I just have to move on, I can't spend anymore time thinking and wondering and figuring it out. Let me fantasize about him like I used to, and not feel bad about it now that he's away. I wanna find a reason to smile again, there are other things in my life that need fixing, and this will bring me down even farther. If it's unhealthy, fine, I don't care; I just don't wanna hurt anymore. If I wanna cut my arm a few times to ease it, cool; at least its in honor of Michael. If anyone ever finds out, that's what I'll say.

Sorry for the craziness in this, but it's just a personal thing. Adn no, I'm not lying about me cutting my arm. Even though there's a thread pleading not to hurt ourselves, still I made the decision to do this a couple of days ago. I just couldn't handle the burden.
 
try to find some help... hurting yourself wont solve anything... you woll be as miserable as before and even more... you will hurt everyone who loves you and you wont be able to get over it!

grieve and sadness is part of this life like laughing and joy is

my best wishes
 
Tillitsgone, I'm sorry to read that you felt you had to hurt yourself to be able to cope with your sadness. Did it help then?

If you are able to put Michaels death in the back of your mind and go on living your life, then it's the right thing to do for now. You will see, if it makes you feel better. Just don't try to force yourself to put Michaels death in the back of your mind, if it doesn't work out the way you want. Listen to yourself while you're trying to find your personal way to cope with it.

And don't forget to let us know how you're doing as often as you can and ask for help when you don't know how to go on, won't you?
 
... but, I just still feel a need to do it. Since Michael's passing, it's been a wierd range of emotions. When it all went down that day, there was panic and disbelief, and when my mom told me he didn't make it, it was still there. I didn't cry or anything, just felt stunned, tried to go on the computer and listen to some tunes to ease it, came back here, and then finally tried to get some sleep. But it wasn't easy, cause there was alot of tossign and turning and keeping from screaming/breaking down. It wasn't until the followign morning that I cried some, still feeling stunned for the rest of the day. The radio was on, where mj music was playing, the car had my Dangerous cassette playing, where I did some dancing to try and make it better. But I knew deep down that things were quite the same anymore.

And on top of that, I still kept coming here, which solified everything I feared. Everyone was so scared, horrified, and in shock, and I just couldn't believe it. Especially with one thread where the url of Michael's tour site was posted, and found that all of the dates had completely disappeared out of thin air. I mean basically everything was just surreal and sad. It all really came to frutition when the memorial happened where I, and everyone else had to witness seeing his coffin being carried in and out, where friends performed and hid famiy laughed and cried, especially his daughter. Now that was sad. :(

So like I said, it's been a range of emotions and feelings. Sometimes I'm alright like nothing happened, but then of course there's not a day where I don't cry at least once. I love all kinds of music so I try to play some other artists music to cool off my mind, but then I feel ashamed like I sould be listening to MJ and cry at every single song of his. Michael's music will always have a place in my heart, but right now it just seems different. I think it's the perception of it, cause it's because of the fact that when I listen to it, it's of someone who just passed away. It was great when he was alive, but sometimes now it's so awkward, I dunno.

Sometimes I feel like I didn't really care about Michael at all, so it's like I souldn't shed any more tears, so I don't. There are things in my life I abandoned because I was more excited about what was to come from Michael; overdue schoolwork, personal issues with myself not resolved, a non-exsistent life to an extent. There were a few times where I questioned it all and wanted to get away from the fandom, but it always pulled me back. I finally made a somewhat descision around mid June to do some of this work, but only for Michael. If I try to deal with my own life, the concerts will get here faster and on top of that, I'll have some stuff completed. All of that went away once news of Mike being sent to the hospital surfaced.

I don't know how to deal with all this heartache that's revolving around MJJC, and with those that knew him personally. When I see members who were once happy and excited, suicidal and all that... it's pitiful. I just wish there was someway that all of it could be better but that's unrealistic. It's unrealistic to think everything will be back to normal. Michael freakin died... I didn't want, nobody wanted that, so... what do you do? You just deal with it somehow.

Speaking of me, I could say that the reason I'm harming myself is 4 everyone else. It's feels like my gift to those out there hurting all the time, even though they don't know me. I'm doing it for u guys... can u understand? I'm not sure how long I'll be doing this, but it isn't the first time, that's for sure. I just want to move on from it all... I need to get my life back on track. All this sadness will bring me down and keep me from suceeding in life. This is such a contradiction cause I'm still hurting myself my cutting, but liek I said, I'm doing it for u guys. If I won't cry, I'll bleed basically.
 
Cutting your arm is in no way an "honor" to Michael. He would tell you that himself if he could...
 
I understand how you felt and still feel, I've already lost some persons I loved because they died. The first time, I had the feeling, that I could never ever be happy again. I even tried not to fall asleep because it felt to me like when I woke up and the person was still dead, it would be reality. Of course, at some point, I was so exhausted that I had to sleep and after it I had to face reality, so the world just stopped turning for me. I felt guilty, even though there was no logical reason for it, because I of course didn't cause the death and the mistakes I made (if I made some) didn't affect the life or the feelings of the person who had died. It even took me a while to not feel guilty when I had a few happy moments.

The thing is, if you've gone through such a situation once, you know the next time that you will be happy again one day, even though it might be impossible for you to imagine this at the moment. And it helped me a lot to have a person who told me this, because I, myself, had not yet experienced such a situation and so I needed someone to tell me that it would all be well again someday and this had to be a person I trusted, because it's easy to say "It will all be well", but often it's just a phrase to take an easy way out.

Besides it's not always the same, when people die. The more they took part in your life, the harder it is, to cope with it, because it's not only the person who's not there anymore, but also the time you spent together or how much you were engaged in the person.

It sounds as if Michael had a huge part in your life, even though not physically, so it's only natural, that you feel how you feel. 5-6 weeks is not a long time to get over the death of someone you loved. That will take much longer, even a year is still normal. Of course you will not keep feeling so bad as you do now all the time. You will still have sad times, but you will also have happy times again, and as time passes by, you will have more and more happy times and less and less sad times.
The thing you have to do is, do all you can to feel better. As long as it doesn't do any harm to you or anyone else, of course.

Somehow people tend to feel guilty when they are grieving, but it doesn't have a logical reason. I have not yet engaged myself in the reasons for people starting to feel guilty when they can't stand the pain of having lost someone they loved, but there sure is an psychologic explanation for that.

If you feel better when you listen to other music than Michaels, then it's perfectly fine- so you've already found something that helps you in this situation. Listening to other music doesn't mean that Michael didn't mean enough to you, it just means that you need some distraction from grieving, to give yourself a rest, to soothe the pain, to take comfort in the music.
If you can't listen to Michaels music now or just don't feel like it from time to time, then don't do it. His music will always have a special place in your heart, even if you don't listen to it for years, because you can forget a lot, but you don't forget a melody that touched you once. And it would be a real pity, if you'd force yourself to listen to Michaels music now and in some years you'll associate his music with the pain you felt now, whenever you listen to it. He wanted to make people happy with his music, not sad.

You say, you have the feeling, that you didn't care about Michael at all, sometimes. Do you think about every friend or family-member you love in every minute of your life? That would be impossible. But if they needed you, you would be there for them, wouldn't you?
And with Michael, it's just the same. He was a part of your life, but he also was a person who lived a complete different life from yours. You didn't have the same family and you didn't physically spent time together. You are a fan of him- no matter how often you thought about him a day, even if it's not been once a month. He didn' have any more expectations towards you as a fan, than not believing what the tabloid press wrote about him and seeing him as a human being and with your heart.

Of course all the fans had to live their own life. You didn't let him down with anything you've done or not done.

You also don't owe anything to anyone but yourself. If you cut yourself, you won't make it easier for anyone here in the forum to cope with the pain and you won't bring Michael back to life.
You have a responsibility towards yourself and you have to do anything you can to make yourself feel better in this situation, not feel even worse.

Love,
daydreambeliever
 
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Please don't cut yourself. Michael wouldn't want you to do that...
 
"Cutting" is one way to relieve anxiety, and some people do it. it replaces the emotional pain with the physical. But it is also self-destructive and can be disfiguring. Please find a more positive way to help yourself? "Runners" know that extreme effort releases endorphins, just as "cutting" does. So please use some other method of anxiety-relief? One that doesn't risk your safety, or leave scars?

"Cutting" is NOT for us, or for Michael. Please understand that it only makes us feel worse, that you are harming yourself.

With all that said. . I understand your pain. I really do. Just know that it does not help you or us or Michael, to harm yourself. And realistically? If you must? Cry until you are exhausted. We have all done that . . . . Run, or exercise until very tired. Just do the best you can, and keep talking to us? There is no shame in "cutting," but it makes us here worry about you. . . .

love,

Victoria
 
Wow. Ok thanks 4 the responses so far, guys. I just came back back here to check on this, cause I wanted to. Before I go on, let em just take the time to say that you guys are... just awesome, lol. This community is the main reason why I fell in love with it in the first place back around more than a year ago. The range of people here, different cultures, different lives and all, also the input u guys give. So smart, so thoughtful, and so caring, on top of the fact that we're all love the same exact thing: Michael Jackson. Shrine, yes, these emotions are a part of life, and is to be expected. ItsNotTrue, I know it's no positive way in honoring him, but that's the thing with me, I guess; go the unhealthy route. And tigerfeet, no he wouldn't want that from me.

As for daydream, I was very intrigued to read your insight and advice. Ugh... I just dont know why I have to do things like this. The grieving process differs alot, depending on the personality of a person, their background, all of that. I haven't really been close to alot of people in my life, aside from my family: mom, dad, brother, two older sisters, etc, so of course I don't know what's its like to lose someone u love. The closest I can come to is my mother's mother's death, my Nana (as we call her). She passed away while she was trying to come to Flordia and we were heading down there to see her back around 2007... but I'll leave that alone. Basically when it was happening there was shock and it lasted for a few days but, I just still went on with what I was doing.

Now with Michael... it was deep, lol, just like with everyone else here. May not have met, may not have know me and vice versa, but I knew he was special. I thought about him alot, fantasies and such... he really played a big role in my life since around June of 08, even though I was a fan since like 2003/04. I had a breakdown in high school around late 07, first semester, from all the stress and pressures from students, teachers, and mostly myself. All i'll say is that... I'm not a people person, not very socialble, and I've felt liek a socila outcast for a long time, so around that time was where it was just piling up. There was me skipping school and... grades slipping to where I had cops involved, and in teh end I had to drop out of public school and go into private, online schooling, because I couldn't handle anything else.

I'm trying real hard not to get too personal but basically when I came here, it was liek an escapism. It was fun, it was smart, it was everything. And just seeing the members here and seeing pictures of Michael and news of him was just exciting. I remember when MJ appeared at Christian Audiger's b-day party and pictures popped up, and u guys were just 'AH its Mikey!!!'. Time went on and there was still me and my real life, yet I always had time to be with the community. It's just, wow... the memories... Hold My Hand, more pictures, more news... Michael comfirming upcomign projects... him being in London. Oh I was so freakin excited when he was heading there to announce the This Is It concerts.

What else is there to say?... I was freakin excited, and I for the life of me cannot pinpoint what went wrong. I thought everyhting was fine... you know? IT's liek, that day some of use were wishing Farrah Fawcett to rest in peace, and we went on with our day... then around the evening the nightmare began. My mood is alright now, but still it's like, sigh... I don't understand how we got here to be at this point, talking about what might have killed this man. Kill is such a strong word but...
 
Geez, sorry yall... this is so selfish of me and I know that. I knew the responses that would come, I'm not that nieve or dumb. It's just selfishness. I get moody and stuff. With me hurting myself, it'll stop... maybe. I did it like 25 times just earlier... I just care too much about y'all. This place is my safe haven, really; if this place were to dsiappear, I don't know how I would feel.
 
Geez, sorry yall... this is so selfish of me and I know that. I knew the responses that would come, I'm not that nieve or dumb. It's just selfishness. I get moody and stuff. With me hurting myself, it'll stop... maybe. I did it like 25 times just earlier... I just care too much about y'all. This place is my safe haven, really; if this place were to dsiappear, I don't know how I would feel.

You are NOT selfish, and this place is not going to disappear, and yes, it is a safe-haven, of people who understand. This is exactly the right place to share your thoughts. Take care of yourself, ok?

love,

Victoria
 
you may also seek conculing for your cuting its likely a sign of something deeper then michaels death.
 
your cuting its likely a sign of something deeper then michaels death.

Of course it is...

TillitsGone, I really can understand what ignites this all.
It's safe to say that we both (and everyone else that has taken his passing very hard) share one thing - And that is that we had bullshit going on in our lives even before Michael passed away.
Let me guess, Michael was that one thing, that shield, that escape from all the bullshit going on - and when Michael passed away it was like you stood unarmed without that shield and had an army of problems storming you?
I know, I understand, I'm also there.

I really don't know what to say to help you out, because I've not figured out myself how to stand up.
But I'm trying to find a way to resurrect by finding strength and power from the sorrow and grief.

Theodore Roosevelt lost his mother and wife on the same day.
His pain was so unbearable that he was going out to the Dakota badlands to take his own life - but somewhere along the way he resurrected to become this police commissioner that bicycled through the streets at night.
That was his escape, his resurrection.

I just want you to understand that harming yourself is a step in the wrong direction - which you probably already know.
Try to find a way to take that anger and sorrow, and put it in the other direction.

You always run faster when you're chased.

With this said, it has only been a month or so, it takes time to accept and understand. Sometimes the pain gets harder because you understand more and more what's happening.
 
A lot of people, particularly young people, resort to cutting when they cant deal with the emotionally draining sadness they are feeling. One girl I talked with recently dragged a kitchen knife up her arm because of issues she was dealing with in her private life. She ended up being sent to hospital and housed in the psychiatric facility for her own safety, as well as the two boys she ended up threatening with the knife who tried intervening. I get the impression you have heard many words of advice before, and you know what you are doing is not healthy but you have to fight to get better and seek help because sooner or later you may do more damage than you intended. Please see a Doctor or counsellor or anything that would help you get better.
 
you're right - the ppl taking this hardest have deeper issues, which just seem so much worse with Michael being gone. God I need him back, but then again, this is God's fault - God is evil to let suffering and pain rule the world. "God" - what a stupid idea anyway. PEOPLE makes this world - People like Michael, not some stupid god loser..
 
Well I'm not gonna go into the subject of God because I have my opinions on that, and everyone else does too, but I'll leave it alone. Again, I'm sorry, been going through my motions... and yes... in a way, it is somethign deeper. Of course this isnt a pshychiatrist facility so I'm not gonna explain every single thing thats going on in my life. All I'll say is that when Mike died, it hurt alot, but it was also a harsh reminder of reality for me. It's like it was saying "hey, life aint all that it's cracked up to be. What you really admire and love can be taken away from you any minute." I mean I knew life was harsh, but for this to happen was like... what? :blink: But why? And you keep on trying to figure it out and it revolves around your mind, yet you're still not able to find the answer you need. So that's part of why I just started hurting myself, just to take the burden away from my mind for awhile. The other part is probably something else mentally/emotionally... but I'll have to leave that to a real therapists.

And maybe this is a good time for me to leave this place... for a while... even though I don't want to :cry: I'm so attached to this place, and have been 4 the longest, but if it means sorting out my problems then it'll be fine. This place will always be here. I dunno, it's always like that; I say i'll leave but I always coem back. But I can't keep on contradicting myself, sigh. But the cutting will stop, it will, I'll go find another way.
 
Hi TillitsGone, I hope you find the answers you're looking for and this place is always here, when you need it to be - I always remind people when they're hurting to be careful about removing certain things from their life because it can seem so overwhelming that its hard to make sense of what you are thinking and feeling. I'm sorry you're hurting and I really hope you dont cut anymore.
 
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