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Dan Reed is grateful for these two scumbags because he is now being interviewed by all the big mags and tvs if it were not for MJ he would have never ever dreamed of being on those shows and mags. He is another Bashir. Now his whole career will be orchestrated around mj. Expect more from him he is enjoying his time so much and serving the agenda at the same time.
 
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Erandi said:
Guys, I had been, for most of the way, blissfully unaware of all the crap being thrown out there, because I had chosen not to click on any video or tabloid junk (I have only read your updates in here). Today, out of curiosity, I have typed Michael's name on google and, man, the stuff that came up! This is getting ridiculously out of hand! Even the BBC are in on this. Shame on them! Isn't there any humanity left in these journalists (let alone professionalism)?! Makes one crawl under a rock somewhere...

On a different note, I would like to send all my love to you guys for keeping up with the fight!
And appreciation for the Chinese fans. They are so great!
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that's why I think it's very necessary that the Official Social Media of MJ must be updated, all days.
 
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Yesterday said someone on YouTube that after he/she find out that LN will air he/she watched all the MJ documentarys he/she could find on YouTube and is sure now that he is guilty and very strange.

SURPRISE!^^

I think its maybe an good idea to reach out to every fan on YouTube who had uploaded these bad documamtarys and ask them if they can put them on Private mod for the next months or delate them when it is possible.
Its maybe not good for MJ and us when people can find them at the moment.
I know the most of them have many views.
 
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Man all this is just to crazily far out
 
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What r u talking about?! Why would fans put negative documentaries on YouTube? She most likely watched mjfacts videos and came to that conclusion.
 
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dam2040 said:
yep bbc 2 doc coming life and downfall with gutieriez [sp] best mate

little rats the lot of them
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Wait wait...

A doc by Victor about MJ? And BBC 2 is responsible for that? Oh man these once decent channels really are going down the shitter eh?
 
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Soundmind said:
What r u talking about?! Why would fans put negative documentaries on YouTube? She most likely watched mjfacts videos and came to that conclusion.
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Right !And not even that . I just dont believe " i did all my research and came to conclusion that he is guilty" , i dont believe this one bit .
Haters like to play this card to fool the fans .
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Yesterday said someone on YouTube that after he/she find out that LN will air he/she watched all the MJ documentarys he/she could find on YouTube and is sure now that he is guilty and very strange.

SURPRISE!^^

I think its maybe an good idea to reach out to every fan on YouTube who had uploaded these bad documamtarys and ask them if they can put them on Private mod for the next months or delate them when it is possible.
Its maybe not good for MJ and us when people can find them at the moment.
I know the most of them have many views.
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This is going to backfire on these. Again, this is annoying but u all can not think everyone is buying into this trash. Again, our big thing is next week when this trash is out then everyone will have to step back and look at these liars. Most of the people talking now (which still is not much when looking at the overall view) already had something against MJ, but that average thinker will see this bull. Be mad but still keep things in perspective.
 
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Laurendaccio said:
Right !And not even that . I just dont believe " i did all my research and came to conclusion that he is guilty" , i dont believe this one bit .
Haters like to play this card to fool the fans .
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Exactly. ANd really not everyone is running behind this doc either. Most people who even love MJ just aint going watch it or give it much attention because they know it is BS; but haters, trolls (they want attention) want u to think everyone is listening to this mess. Most people are sick of it.
 
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1nn5 said:
that's why I think it's very necessary that the Official Social Media of MJ must be updated, all days.
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I understand, but how many people google Michael Jackson, apart from fans? Don't get me wrong, we should defend him, I'm only sceptical about his Facebook page. I know people who liked that page, and not only are they not fans, but they don't like him at all. They live their own lives, they don't even watch TV and most importantly, they don't care about him at all to get in some lengthy discussion, let alone to do a research. They'll look at this crap and say: "What's this, another accuser...wait, he's not alone, there's another one too? Well, it must be true then."
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Wait wait...

A doc by Victor about MJ? And BBC 2 is responsible for that? Oh man these once decent channels really are going down the shitter eh?
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Probably another jack perriti hatchet documentry .at least we can have twitter fun with the sumbags if they are including gutierrez in it
 
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UOTE=Danja;4243201]I understand, but how many people google Michael Jackson, apart from fans? Don't get me wrong, we should defend him, I'm only sceptical about his Facebook page. I know people who liked that page, and not only are they not fans, but they don't like him at all. They live their own lives, they don't even watch TV and most importantly, they don't care about him at all to get in some lengthy discussion, let alone to do a research. They'll look at this crap and say: "What's this, another accuser...wait, he's not alone, there's another one too? Well, it must be true then."[/QUOTE]Well, people like that I do not have time for. if you going to accused someone, know what u are talking about; but people like u are describing are fairweathered and will have no impact on MJ's life.
 
AlwaysThere;4243180 said:
I cannot be more serious when I say this:

Neither the Estate nor the Jackson family should be involved in any future rebuttals.

Ever since Leaving Neverland premiered, every statement and legal pursuit by either of those two parties has been met with dismissals from the anti-innocence lynch mob: "They're only looking to protect their investment. Of course they're not coming forward to accept the truth about Michael; their compliance is the only thing keeping them from being broke!" It's a stupid and absurd myth that everyone, including Dan Reed, has perpetuated.

I understand why we feel they need to have a hand, but this is serious. This is bigger than the 1993 case. This is bigger than the 2005 case. We may have ONE CHANCE to pull this off, and we cannot **** it up.

You know who needs to speak out? The children and families Michael spent time with. The various Neverland personnel who defended him both in '93 and '05. The law enforcement entities that surveyed and investigated Michael for years. Anyone who knows the accusers and can testify to their validity. The people who have no incentive, financial or otherwise, to lie. The people who have insider knowledge that we will never maintain.

Call Anthony Pellicano and Bert Fields, Michael's '93 legal team. Call Barry Rothman, the attorney that left the Chandler case after calling it "extortion." Call Josephine Zohny, who was due to testify against Jordan Chandler had he shown up for the 2005 trial. Call the schoolteacher Gavin Arvizo confessed his lies to. Call Francine Orosco, the maid Adrian McManus roped into a false sexual harassment claim. Call any and all individuals who know Wade Robson and James Safechuck and find out exactly what the general consensus seems to be. Call Brett Barnes, Macaulay Culkin, and Jonathan Spence. Call the several people who Jacobshagen extorted money from with fake signatures.

Pull the '93-'94 court files. Unseal the remaining '05 files. Remind everyone of Daniel Kapon and Joseph Bartucci. Air out the inconsistencies, financial motives, and lies told by every accuser. Clear up the lies around the '94 settlement. Take aim at each and every person currently stepping out against Michael, all of which we have known about for decades, and tear them apart.

Folks, we need to face the fact that Michael's legacy is in critical condition right now. This is worse than '93 or '05; Michael isn't here to defend himself in a court of law, and the public sentiment towards accusers and accusations alike has shifted. Michael will always have a supportive fan base, but future generations are in danger of only knowing him as a pedophile.

Our comeback needs to hit like a ton of dynamite. We can't present anything that would run the risk of ruining it.
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No please don’t mention Antony Pellicano, he is another traitor who turned his back on Michael, I don’t remember the storyline now but I am sure that at one point he changed the game. Except for Pellicano you’re right and I would expect something from Frank Cascio and family too, I don’t understand their silence.
 
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Soundmind said:
What r u talking about?! Why would fans put negative documentaries on YouTube? She most likely watched mjfacts videos and came to that conclusion.
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I ment the normal documentarys journalists made about MJ in all the past years which are mostly not very poitive and didn't relly portrait MJ right, manly in a bad strange light.
I don't like 90 percent of the documentarys about MJ.
I had the impression that mostly fans have uploaded the documantarys about MJ on YouTube what I not really understand..
 
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Danja said:
I understand, but how many people google Michael Jackson, apart from fans? Don't get me wrong, we should defend him, I'm only sceptical about his Facebook page. I know people who liked that page, and not only are they not fans, but they don't like him at all. They live their own lives, they don't even watch TV and most importantly, they don't care about him at all to get in some lengthy discussion, let alone to do a research. They'll look at this crap and say: "What's this, another accuser...wait, he's not alone, there's another one too? Well, it must be true then."
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If on Facebook page there's alot of engagement, the FB page posts will appears in the home page .
I suggest that the FB page post in different language (like Football clubs pages) English, French, Arabic... because not all people understand English.
If the FB posts interested posts about LN, I'm sure people will read what the page posted.
People interested or not about MJ, the official social media must be the first place where MJ is defended in social media.
Look at the actual FB page, I don't know if the Estate is managing it, but it's unfortunate to see a facebook page of MJ dead there is 10 in this state.
 
Very.b;4243208 said:
No please don’t mention Antony Pellicano, he is another traitor who turned his back on Michael, I don’t remember the storyline now but I am sure that at one point he changed the game. Except for Pellicano you’re right and I would expect something from Frank Cascio and family too, I don’t understand their silence.
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Frank Cascio and his family maybe for 2029.
 
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This documentary hasn't even aired yet and I'm already sick of the controversy.
A guy in traffic heard me playing Another Part Of Me and he said I was a vile paedophile supporter and asked if I hadn't heard Michael Jackson was cancelled
So I turned it up, told him he was wrong and told him mind his business in, in a less polite manner shall we say

I feel like I've woken up into a nightmare were you don't need evidence for a conviction. The world has gone mad I swear
 
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Just a heads up....anyone who's on Twitter....don't engage with Twisted Tim or Stintson Hunter and give them any info. They are in a process of trying to make another mockumentary against MJ and they are just fishing for details so they can twist it all. They are not on our side and they are not asking for info to "prove MJ is innocent"....they are confident MJ is guilty. So don't engage with them and ignore them and don't help them. They are not doing "fact checking" to do something pro-MJ. Their only motive is to try to paint MJ in a bad light and they are working with Dan Reed.
 
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SmoothCriminal1995 said:
This documentary hasn't even aired yet and I'm already sick of the controversy.
A guy in traffic heard me playing Another Part Of Me and he said I was a vile paedophile supporter and asked if I hadn't heard Michael Jackson was cancelled
So I turned it up, told him he was wrong and told him mind his business in, in a less polite manner shall we say

I feel like I've woken up into a nightmare were you don't need evidence for a conviction. The world has gone mad I swear
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Yeah. The Channel Mean Machine on YouTube is right when they calls this Fight:
JUSTICE VS GREED
Greed in a overall wide meaning not only moneywise.

Its also the fight TRUTH VS LIES.
Put its the fight JUSTICE VS GREED in the first place.
Dan Reed, all the accusers and the powerful media won't be fair becuse they are greedy in many ways!
GREED is a deathsin!

I absolutly don't like Donald Trump but I hope that he decide to stand up for his "friend" and do something like a powerful statement to the media.
When there was ever a moment where MJ really needed him than it is now!
 
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summer said:
Just a heads up....anyone who's on Twitter....don't engage with Twisted Tim or Stintson Hunter and give them any info. They are in a process of trying to make another mockumentary against MJ and they are just fishing for details so they can twist it all. They are not on our side and they are not asking for info to "prove MJ is innocent"....they are confident MJ is guilty. So don't engage with them and ignore them and don't help them. They are not doing "fact checking" to do something pro-MJ. Their only motive is to try to paint MJ in a bad light and they are working with Dan Reed.
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That stintson (what sort of stupid name is that) was the subject of reeds pedo hunter documentry for channel 4 according to reports hes harrassed paris on twitter. Throwing stones to hide their hands like reed?
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
That stintson (what sort of stupid name is that) was the subject of reeds pedo hunter documentry for channel 4 according to reports hes harrassed paris on twitter. Throwing stones to hide their hands like reed?
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I have read that he had harassed someone also until he committed suicide. I bet that what he wants now.
 
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As I previously warned about prior to its showing the Paedophile Hunter, directed by Dan Reed and “starring” convicted criminal Stinson Hunter (who burnt down a school, assaulted someone and drove a man to suicide) has finally aired on Channel 4 television.

The amount of blatant bias in this “documentary” is even more extreme than I anticipated. There seemed to be several individuals shown to provide supposed balance but the only balance they provided was that maybe it should be the police not vigilantes hounding down and killing paedophiles. A sign of the times you might think? Surely everyone hates paedophiles? Well, no, the individuals provided to demonstrate supposed “balance” are infact individuals who are hardcore paedofinder generals with a long track record of burning alleged paedophiles at the stake. These are not your average citizens. These are people with blood on their hands. Don’t believe me? Let’s go over each one in turn:


  • Jim Gamble is quite literally Britain’s most famous Paedofinder General of the last decade. This is the man who lead Operation Ore – the investigation into alleged child pornography which resulted in over 32 suicides and saw thousands of men raided and convicted of thought crimes offences that in many cases they had not even committed (due to the only evidence presented being fraudulently used credit card details).
  • Hugh Davies OBE QC is a Barrister who has specialised in prosecuting men for sexual offences. He never defends men he only puts them away. He has been a legal advisor to CEOP (Child Exploitation and Online Protection Unit). Most recently he is involved in the global movement by increasingly totalitarian western (and other) governments to crack down on international travel. This is a man with no concept of human rights and with no morals (despite what he may claim). See his recent talk to ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) on stopping international travel: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqQOacsO24w[/URL].
  • Jonathan Taylor, Metropolitan Police. Well, umm… Yes his title says it all. Totally one-sided police thug.
The only part of the documentary with some resemblance of sanity was its interview with Rachel, the ex partner of Michael Parkes who committed suicide as a direct result of Stinson’s entrapment. She mentioned how her child will now grow up without a father. A very valid point.

In the documentary Stinson tries to pretend that he didn’t intend for Michael to kill himself. But look at the nasty vitriol Stinson spouts at Rachel on his twitter feed:


He complains about his picture being put in the paper risking his family!? The hypocritical nerve! He practically murdered a man and routinely destroys the lives of men and their families by uploading videos of them online. Both Stinson Hunter and director Dan Reed’s arrogance is so extreme that they even showed videos of the incident with Michael Parkes that lead to his death in the documentary.

No Stinson. She has a right to anonymity. You do not. You have committed in the least legalised man slaughter – if not murder – as such you deserve everything you get and more.


Absolutely sickening. He effectively murdered her ex and now he is going to publically humiliate her? If this is what they call “victims rights” then I’m a monkey’s uncle. It seems that “victims rights” only extends to “the right kind” of victims. That is, imaginary 13 year old girls.

Bottom line: Feel free to tell director Dan Reed himself (@danreed1000 on twitter) that his documentary is a lot of biased crap. If he was serious about doing an impartial documentary then there are plenty of more sensible people for him to have asked to provide real balance.

The Paedophile Hunter – Stinson Hunter and Dan Reed: Bias, Lies, and Intimidation
 
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Ok I have heard that they are claiming, insinuating and implicating Brett Bwarnes and Macauley Culkin were molested by Michael in the mockumentary. So doesn't that qualify for Barnes and Culkin to file defamation lawsuit against Dan Reed, W&S? That could be really great and soothing to get justice done by letting them pay damages to Barnes and Culkin.
 
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Hold on fans. We will have the VICTORY.!!! Wait and see.
 
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john13th said:
Ok I have heard that they are claiming, insinuating and implicating Brett Bwarnes and Macauley Culkin were molested by Michael in the mockumentary. So doesn't that qualify for Barnes and Culkin to file defamation lawsuit against Dan Reed, W&S? That could be really great and soothing to get justice done by letting them pay damages to Barnes and Culkin.
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They put a disclaimer that says both have denied they were abused so they cannot be sued.
 
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I had a bit of an "epiphany" today while walking outside. You see....like I have said before....since we keep googling MJ's name several times a day and ACTIVELY TRY to find out what is being said about him.....it seems that the "anti-MJ mob" is everywhere and it is SOOOO bad and that MJ is basically already "cancelled". Well....when I was walking outside, the sun was shining and I wasn't looking at any news on my phone...and guess what....MJ was as strong as ever. And people can try....but no one is ever going to cancel MJ out of my life. Especially not all these crooks, frauds and gold diggers and other sick, vile people who try to destroy him for their own gain and for their 15 minutes of fame. To me, they are just background noise. White noise. And if I don't actively look for it on my phone or google MJ news....I don't see it. They don't exist. Let's not forget there are MILLIONS of us around the world. The documentary will air...so let it air....and then after a few weeks it will be forgotten. Who will still be there? All of us. And life will go on. Don't let that work of fiction stress you out. Keep playing your MJ music, keep talking about MJ just like before like nothing happened...and if anyone says anything derogatory....cancel THEM. Just like these media people only keep telling us to "WATCH THE FILM!!" as their mantra when we keep telling them facts...turn it around and just say "GO READ SOME FACTS!!!" if anyone tries to bash MJ in your presence. And then walk away. They can try cancel MJ, but as long as we refuse and as long as we keep demanding him and his music and refuse to let this affect us...they ain't got a chance. As I said...in MY LIFE he will not be cancelled. And all I have to do is not google his name on google news and none of this is happening. Which comes to my next point....MOST PEOPLE don't actively google MJ news. As someone already mentioned. The tabloids are FULL of lies about him...CONSTANTLY....and yes, there has been some articles in non-tabloids too....but people are SO USED to reading lies and bizarre stories about MJ that even non-fans can't take them seriously and are tired of it. They aren't interested in it. Even I got tired of going through the same shit on google news....I don't even read the titles anymore...I just go "tabloid...tabloid...tabloid....nope...nope...nope...." I just look at WHO actually is even writing it before I even bother to read the headline. And if I see it's one of those who have been posting nothing but lies...I don't even read the headline because I can't be bothered. As I said...it has become "white noise". And a lot of people are already tired of the constant MJ bashing.Even those who say "Maybe he was guilty" go...just let him finally rest, the guy's been DEAD for 10 years!!!

So....don't let the whole thing stress you and rememebr that the only one who can "cancel" or "mute" MJ out of your life is you. No one else. And as long as you don't mute or cancel MJ....no one can. And if us together as MILLIONS of fans around the world refuse to mute or cancel MJ.....the crooks won't succeed.

Keep posting facts because those little nuggets of information that expose these crooks will slowly shift throw and will start to grow. Think of it all as a little seed that will grow into a giving tree.....and on top of that tree, once we water and tend to the tree and let it grow....will be MJ, sitting at his favorite place....calm and serene....looking down on us and smiling.


Keep Michaeling. :heart:
 
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