Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[Scream]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

All the lies are being uncovered and will continue to be uncovered, the problem is that the media won't report it, because the Michael Jackson is innocent angle will never sell as many papers and get as many page clicks as the Michael Jackson is guilty angle. I said it earlier in this thread, the day Michael Jackson was found innocent was the worst day possible for the media. They've been trying their best ever since to recoup the money that they lost on that verdict and this has given them the perfect opportunity to do just that. This thing won't blow away in a week, it's gonna linger like a bad smell for months and months.

 

[athina_livadi]

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Ok, I believe you.

This reminds me of the Donald Trump story where he was having dinner with MJ in a restaurant where all high profile powerful people would eat. They all came over to their table to ask for autographs being all nervous etc. People who wouldn't flinch when meeting the president or anybody else...

It's unreal how a human being can have that effect on people, it's fascinating and my reaction would be no different.

No, it's not an autograph incident but a fundamental moment. I am not talking as a fan towards the celebrity. It was human towards human and it is a health issue.

 

[aqwsz]

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A lot happened even just in the last couple of days. Questions about the birthday video, more inconsistencies, Brett and Aaron speaking up. Dan Reed thinks what he's done is fool proof but the scrutiny will rumble on, no doubt about that. Who knows what else will be unearthed. Nothing surprises me any more

Well his body will be unearthed, didn't you hear?

Sorry I'll get my coat

 

[aqwsz]

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No, it's not an autograph incident but a fundamental moment. I am not talking as a fan towards the celebrity. It was human towards human and it is a health issue.

No no that's not what I meant with the Trump story, I understood it was something more significant. Health's a bitch, I know from experience myself.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

Let’s be realistic. Were UK stations really playing Michael that often? The British media has a @#$&*$ record towards Michael anyway. Therefore, I don’t give much credence in what they say. IF these radio stations did do that without looking at the facts, then they aren’t worth a damn anyway.

 

[aqwsz]

Let’s be realistic. Were UK stations really playing Michael that often? The British media has a @#$&*$ record towards Michael anyway. Therefore, I don’t give much credence in what they say. IF these radio stations did do that without looking at the facts, then they aren’t worth a damn anyway.

I wouldn't underestimate how much his music is still being played...
Not a day goes by where I live without at least one song on the radio. Granted that's not in the UK.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

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I Slovakia, MJ is being played a lot, I mean a lot.... very often on all most listened radio stations, I am not sure what is about to happen....

 

[Blondie]

Let’s be realistic. Were UK stations really playing Michael that often? The British media has a @#$&*$ record towards Michael anyway. Therefore, I don’t give much credence in what they say. IF these radio stations did do that without looking at the facts, then they aren’t worth a damn anyway.

It's just another dramatic story. Again this is all familiar. Emotional think pieces, faux revelations and outrage, pseudo intellect from people who don't know anything on the topic...its all part of the usual production. *cross fade from Wade's gallant expression to miscellaneous extras as 'fans' burning their MJ memorabilia and hugging*. Yawn. Fans might be in a bubble, but the media are in theirs too. All in their offices, they will be totally convinced they will have got it right. You guys noticed the articles about how they think fans are reacting? We're all crushed at the harsh 'reality' apparently

 

[Mike P.]

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I have been trying to avoid anything pertaining to this farce of a "documentary". I do not wish to support it in any way, I have not seen the trailer or any clips associated with it, and I have only clicked on articles related to it in order to spread awareness in the comments that this "film" is based on nothing but lies and exploitative filth. If it were totally up to me and I wasn't splitting the cable bill with other people I live with I would have already cancelled HBO. When I heard that this garbage was being released it did initially worry me and got me down over the idea that these pieces of excrement were finally going to ruin MJ's Legacy once and for all, but what has given me hope is that all of my friends who believed his innocence before have been undeterred by this, and each day that goes by where I see more crap online about this film, I see more and more lies being uncovered and more people coming to the realization of what is really going on, and what has been going on for the past 25+ years.

I know it is probably going to get really ugly for a while, but I have hope that this will not completely destroy MJ's Legacy, and that people who are smart enough to look for the facts and not buy into the media's crap will know the truth and spread it. Anyone who really believes any of this crap despite all of the lies that continue to be exposed were probably never a fan of his to begin with and have probably always had a negative bias against him. These types of people have bought into this garbage since '93 and nothing will likely sway them because whatever the media says must be true.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

Jimmy Safechuck Findings By Desiree Speaks So Listen
FEBRUARY 28, 2019
by lynande51

The following is a blog post written in 2011 by Desiree of Desiree Speaks So Listen.
The blog doesn’t exist anymore.


It contains information that she reached out to James Safechuck , his parent and his wife.

https://michaeljacksonvindication2....fechuck-findings-by-desiree-speaks-so-listen/

Maybe I missed something, but this does NOT seem positive to Michael.

 

[Mikky Dee]

The estate needs a professional lawyer or PR person to set out in very clear and simple terms all the inconsistencies and problems with Wade and James lawsuit etc. The fact TMez has been interviewed shows that some shows are reaching out for comment from an alternative viewpoint (even if it’s a minimal segment of their show)

Howard Weitzman is a professional lawyer and has set out all of the problems with Robson/Safechuck's claims in writing, in a number of different arenas...not the least of which is the lawsuit against HBO.

 

[Mikky Dee]

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Maybe I missed something, but this does NOT seem positive to Michael.

I thought Desiree was involved with the infamous MJ Facts website, so you could be right. Not sure why it's being posted here.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

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I thought Desiree was involved with the infamous MJ Facts website, so you could be right. Not sure why it's being posted here.

The link needs to be deleted, IMO. When it started accusing Mesearu, I starting having doubts about its validity.

 

[CherubimII]

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WE HAVE ONLY BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!!:gotcha:

 

[CherubimII]

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Here's the screen shot of the tweet that Wade Robson deleted:

 

[CherubimII]

Finally, it’s important to remember what Michael said himself in 1994 when he was invited to the NAACP Image Awards. At that time, the relentless persecution that would haunt him the rest of his life had started. In addressing the gathering, he went out of his way to note the right all of us have to the presumption of innocence.

“I never really took the time to understand the importance of that ideal until now,” Michael said, “until I became the victim of false allegations, and the willingness of others to believe and exploit the worst before they have a chance to hear the truth. Because not only am I presumed to be innocent, I am innocent. – And I know the truth will be my salvation.”

by Michael Jackson

[video=youtube;dcFfWHROTiw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcFfWHROTiw&feature=share[/video]

 

[Amaya]

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I thought Desiree was involved with the infamous MJ Facts website, so you could be right. Not sure why it's being posted here.

Probably for archival purposes/having something to dispute his allegations with. But for it to go up with no counter-arguments within the post itself, and the fact that this blog (which appears to have been a mirror for the main Vindicating Michael blog) didn't have any posts on it for nearly three years... has it been hacked?

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

The man died in 09 but it looks like 2019 will be the year his legacy dies once and for all.

This might sound crazy but in a way I’m glad he is no longer a part of this world. He was far too good for it. I hope, where ever he is this isn’t causing him pain.

I certainly wouldn't enjoy his music the same that's for sure. Like you i would feel very betrayed, a man who i've idolised since i first heard Earth Song back in 95' and have invested a lot of money in. It would feel like a slap in the face IF there was evidence found that is.

Unfortunately the same would apply for me. I’d be done with the music.

It would be so hard to simply separate the two that I couldn’t kid myself even if I wanted to that it was right to still listen to him.

I couldn’t bear to see stuf like “peadophile thriller singer *****” printed on the front page of the sun or similar tabloids.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves though, hopefully this will all be rubbish and we can enjoy listening to our hero.

It’s scary that radio 2 have removed him from their playlists though even before the documentary has been shown on tv.

We need the doubt thread back in my opinion for those people. This kind of comments has not to be in here. Its not helpful in any way for us supports and defenders.

Its sad that is has to be repeated that there is no evidence in this mokementary!!
They are only telling storrys there, and now in the interviews!!!

I don't let this injustice hapened!!!
Every real fan should know that MJ never whould harm a child cause they can feel it deep down in their hearts were he is!!!

And there will never be any proof cause what all this greedy peole say didn't happen!

What the media and this people who will bring him down forget or don't realize is that this man is most beloved human being of the planet becuse of his pure unique, bright, beautiful spirit which people also feel in his songs and no media propganda can change this so easyly. He is really beloved from millions of people all over the world!!!
Love is the strongest feeling of all someone can cause in people.

And I still belive that god is on Michaels and our sight!!!

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

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I just want to say Michael's legacy will never die as long as fans exist. We are his legacy, and so are his children I would say. The trial didn't end his legacy and I don't think this will either. And I'd even say new fans could also come out of this too if they decide to look into the allegations for what they are as BS.

 

[john13th]

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Yeah that's so true, I mean Bashirs documentary potrayed him as a paedophile back in 03 but that didn't stop the fans or the public to show interest in him.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

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We simply need such a power moment like the paris moment in his furnaral which let the people wake up and make them realized that MJ can not be the monster the media wanted them to belive in all this years!

This was really an absolut key moment!

 

[john13th]

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Apparently, Michael did send a video message to Mandy Porter, wishing her all wellness and said "I miss you and I love you" among other things.

Kolla in tweeten av @djbaby2009: https://twitter.com/djbaby2009/status/1101703582699544586?s=09

I guess Wade would think Michael cheated on him and started to make sexual advancement with a girl instead...

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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It's just another dramatic story. Again this is all familiar. Emotional think pieces, faux revelations and outrage, pseudo intellect from people who don't know anything on the topic...its all part of the usual production. *cross fade from Wade's gallant expression to miscellaneous extras as 'fans' burning their MJ memorabilia and hugging*. Yawn. Fans might be in a bubble, but the media are in theirs too. All in their offices, they will be totally convinced they will have got it right. You guys noticed the articles about how they think fans are reacting? We're all crushed at the harsh 'reality' apparently

Of course it is. I remember in 03 when the allegations happened. Some radio stations pulled mjs music aswell. What do people expect from murdochs newspapers.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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Of course it is. I remember in 03 when the allegations happened. Some radio stations pulled mjs music aswell. What do people expect from murdochs newspapers.

Hmmm, that's true. I guess I forgot about that. I think maybe this news got the best of me yesterday. I don't know however who this Murdoch is but it sounds like it's the usual nonsense?

We've definitely had good news too, like Aaron going buckwild on Wade and with good reason, Brett standing up. But no time to celebrate yet. I can't deny that I'm just flabbergasted by all those glowing reviews. So many different reviews from different sites and barely any review that truly takes it apart and stays realistic about it, has done the necessary research. I would have really liked it a good amount of them had been critical about it too, objective, not be such a freaking sheep basically.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Rupert murdoch.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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https://twitter.com/BBCRadio2

Let them know your feelings about them joining the lynchmob and stopping playing his music

 

[mthalen]

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Anyone who really believes any of this crap despite all of the lies that continue to be exposed were probably never a fan of his to begin with and have probably always had a negative bias against him. These types of people have bought into this garbage since '93 and nothing will likely sway them because whatever the media says must be true.

People gotta stop with this BS.
What does being a fan have to do with being realistic. I've been a fan for 30+ years. First concert I saw was the Bad tour when I was twelve. Walls literally plastered with posters (most of them I actually still have). Went to History Tour and had tickets for TII. Stood at his hotel during Dangerous. Drove up to the Gates of Neverland twice and visited his gravesite twice. Yeah. I'm no fan

Does being a fan mean you can never doubt anything? In this case I don't think Reed and Wade are the most trustworthy people. Safechuck maybe, haven't seen the doc.

2005 article about Wade and Barnes:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/06/AR2005050601708.html??noredirect=on

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Safechuck maybe, haven't seen the doc.
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You need to read up on the case more. Hes told many many different stories. His appearence on the bbc ibterview tokd you all you needed to know?

 

[Erandi]

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People were saying on here that, if 10 more accusers would come forward, they would start to believe MJ was indeed guilty. I would say, on the contrary, it would make the whole thing even more questionable. Like yelling in a crowd "who wants some money for nothing?! All you have to do is raise your hands". They can't all claim they haven't realized it was abuse until now, or repressed memories, or other such crap...

On a side note, I think the police should open an investigation into this Reed person. He might be hiding behind a camera, while trying to "legally" collect child porn for his own sick use.

 

[La74]

Josephine Zohny who knew Jordan Chandler from university is willing to speak up if the Jackson family or a legal counsel contact her. I spoke to her on twitter. She said ”just know I stand by MJ 1000%. I sent that to Taj and the Estate. This is her twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/jzohny
I mean something like that could really make a difference. I think I found Jordan Chandler also. I realize how that sound but I think he is living in Marina del Rey. i don’t think he will speak up though. As far as I can see he is still living in Marina del Rey just like he did in 2014 and most of the Chandler family is living there.