Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

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I am now completely convinced that AEG LIVE and the powerful people in Holywood are behind this...., all this happened, miraculously, right after the jacksons sued AEG for 40 BILLIONS and right after that bs accusations made by the jacksons and Katherine Jackson aka whoever was acting on behalf of her (the other question is why they asked 40 billion, why not just rationally 1 billion, well maybe those acting onj behalf of the Jacksons had an agenda as well and knew something and the lawsuit was the warning) , wade made these monstrous accusations and all of a sudden James Safechuck, who coincidentally has worked for HBO on some IT projects.... made the same accusations...., and now we have the very same players in the very same filthy game.

Like right after Oprahs interview with MJ in 1993 there came accusations (I dont believe that simple story about Evan Chandler blackmailing MJ)...
Like right after Bashir interviewwith MJ in 2003 there came accusations (the very same patters and scheme of accusation format to have one boy and the same claims)
Like right after suing AEG Live for 40 billion in 2013 there came accusations by the ones who previously defended MJ....

The 10 year period is obvious, the same players involved in the game.... and still in the same calendar period - the first 2-3 months of the year, almost the same days...

A coincidence? nah...

I belive for a looong time that this was organized from some powerful players back in 2013.
I think that wade get payed from them in the last 5 years.
They wanna questioned the verdict with paying the strongest witness for the defense chaning his story.
Wade was choosen. It was no coincidance that he was the one coming forward and not someone else.

 

[Thriller_MJ]

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I'm starting to feel this is the beginning of the end of MJ, at least in the UK anyway. Being honest I think if there ever was any soild evidence found against him I would probably get rid of everything i own. But I know better to believe the media after my own dealings with them in non MJ related matters. But it does feel like the nail is firmly in the coffin now.

 

[aqwsz]

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Apparently this Will Mortimore enjoys watching poorly made propaganda films more. Weird taste.

 

[aqwsz]

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I'm starting to feel this is the beginning of the end of MJ, at least in the UK anyway. Being honest I think if there ever was any soild evidence found against him I would probably get rid of everything i own. But I know better to believe the media after my own dealings with them in non MJ related matters. But it does feel like the nail is firmly in the coffin now.

Probably. Third time's the charm...If MJ was guilty I'd never listen to a single song anymore ever because I would feel betrayed. But It'll take real proof for me to change my mind.

 

[Thriller_MJ]

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I certainly wouldn't enjoy his music the same that's for sure. Like you i would feel very betrayed, a man who i've idolised since i first heard Earth Song back in 95' and have invested a lot of money in. It would feel like a slap in the face IF there was evidence found that is.

 

[myosotis]

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I'm starting to feel this is the beginning of the end of MJ, at least in the UK anyway. Being honest I think if there ever was any soild evidence found against him I would probably get rid of everything i own. But I know better to believe the media after my own dealings with them in non MJ related matters. But it does feel like the nail is firmly in the coffin now.

It does feel as if 'removal of MJ' from public life is what the UK media want, and R&S are just the means to an end that the UK media would have continued to work towards without them.

We do seem to have entered the 'Twilight Zone' where 'mind control' (believe whatever I tell you) is the aim of 'Me too' and this philosophy also fits well with R&S. In fact, they remind me of 'Anthony' in 'It's a good life'...an episode which MJ referenced in 'Threatened'.

Here's a shortened, sped-up version:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjx1i9XvWp8

The episode ends with a narration:

''No comment here, no comment at all. We only wanted to introduce you to one of our very special citizens, little Anthony Fremont, age 6, who lives in a village called Peaksville, in a place that used to be Ohio. And, if by some strange chance, you should run across him, you had best think only good thoughts. Anything less than that is handled at your own risk, because if you do meet Anthony, you can be sure of one thing: you have entered The Twilight Zone.''

 

[ILoveHIStory]

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I certainly wouldn't enjoy his music the same that's for sure. Like you i would feel very betrayed, a man who i've idolised since i first heard Earth Song back in 95' and have invested a lot of money in. It would feel like a slap in the face IF there was evidence found that is.

If there was not a single piece of any relevant evidence throughout the 25+ years, including during the overzealously investigated forensic 2003-2005 era...., do you really think that a porn.like doc would give us anything new we havent known yet?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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Looks like MJ's music is being removed from radiostations in the UK.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/michael-jackson-songs-dropped-from-radio-2-7pm2mkzs9

Unbelievable...... unbelievable.

So these days you can just make a "documentary" about any celebrity, long as they are dead so they can't defend themselves. You have zero, ZERO evidence. Your shit was thrown out by the judge. Not to mention the background of these two guys.

And then radio stations can go ahead and remove the music of this dead person. **** this world, **** HBO, especially **** these two liars, I sincerely hope they just drop dead.

Please estate, if this radio banning his music shit is really starting now, you gotta pull all stops. Yes we still have streaming services but this can't be happening. Not because of these three so goddamn obviously liars. >: (

 

[aqwsz]

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I certainly wouldn't enjoy his music the same that's for sure. Like you i would feel very betrayed, a man who i've idolised since i first heard Earth Song back in 95' and have invested a lot of money in. It would feel like a slap in the face IF there was evidence found that is.

I'm fan of many artists but MJ was THE ONE. I believed him musically but also on a personal or private level. When he said the things he said I felt it was from the heart. For that reason if he was guilty I'd be devastated.
Now I'm no R Kelly fan but I can still listen to his music because I feel no emotion for that man so I also have no opinion on him.

 

[Scream]

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I'm starting to feel this is the beginning of the end of MJ, at least in the UK anyway. Being honest I think if there ever was any soild evidence found against him I would probably get rid of everything i own. But I know better to believe the media after my own dealings with them in non MJ related matters. But it does feel like the nail is firmly in the coffin now.

I feel it too.
It's sad. So very sad. I wish I could turn off my emotions and not care, but I just can't. Not gonna lie this whole ordeal has caused me some sleepless nights. It seems silly to say, but when you've been a fan of someone for 25+ years, he feels almost like family, and when you know what a ridiculous injustice this whole thing is and what a kind hearted person he was, it makes me just lose hope. The bad guys win again. The guy was tormented his entire life, from his childhood to his death and even now his legacy is being destroyed just to get 5 minutes of fame. If I could walk away I would, the pain and stress of being a fan just isn't worth it any more.

I'm just counting down the days until this thing has aired and it's in the past. Where we go from there though, I can't see it being good.

 

[athina_livadi]

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Get a grip of yourself some people here please. It's your opinion if you have second thoughts, it's your opinion if you feel betrayed by who and what I cannot understand. If you don't want to have any association with Michael whatsoever do it. Let the rest of us fight for the human that we love, believe and support all our lives. You are not offering anything good but just the opposite. Some of us had experienced it back in 1993 and 2005. If you want to stop do it now don't hurt him and us more.

 

[Amaya]

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People havent seen the pornlike fakeumentary yet, just heard or read about it, but they are sure Mj is/was or has to be guilty.... but they can not tell you WHY exactly they think that or why they are persuaded....

This is just a fragment of the social media degeneration and why its important to comment all the articles without MJs avatars of your profiles, and why its important to argue with nothing but facts, no fandom, no emotions, no depression..., but facts.

The "defend a child rapist" line always grinds my shit. NO ONE is "defending a child rapist", because the fans DO NOT think he's guilty of being such a thing, and there are facts to prove it. If we thought he was one, and there was absolutely nothing around to prove otherwise, we wouldn't be defending him!

I also love how that last person is too ignorant to watch something, but not ignorant enough to just accept an article like this right away without question. Typical.

 

[aqwsz]

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Get a grip of yourself some people here please. It's your opinion if you have second thoughts, it's your opinion if you feel betrayed by who and what I cannot understand. If you don't want to have any association with Michael whatsoever do it. Let the rest of us fight for the human that we love, believe and support all our lives. You are not offering anything good but just the opposite. Some of us had experienced it back in 1993 and 2005. If you want to stop do it now don't hurt him and us more.

Offcourse this type of post is coming again...
We're just discussing , it's allowed. We're still here so we're still believing in the truth. But one has to be realistic. If we can't talk here in trust, where can we....

 

[aqwsz]

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The "defend a child rapist" line always grinds my shit. NO ONE is "defending a child rapist", because the fans DO NOT think he's guilty of being such a thing, and there are facts to prove it. If we thought he was one, and there was absolutely nothing around to prove otherwise, we wouldn't be defending him!

I also love how that last person is too ignorant to watch something, but not ignorant enough to just accept an article like this right away without question. Typical.

I hate the generalization in many people word's as if all MJ fans are weird and ignorant and brainwashed.

 

[Thriller_MJ]

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I feel it too.
It's sad. So very sad. I wish I could turn off my emotions and not care, but I just can't. Not gonna lie this whole ordeal has caused me some sleepless nights. It seems silly to say, but when you've been a fan of someone for 25+ years, he feels almost like family, and when you know what a ridiculous injustice this whole thing is and what a kind hearted person he was, it makes me just lose hope. The bad guys win again. The guy was tormented his entire life, from his childhood to his death and even now his legacy is being destroyed just to get 5 minutes of fame. If I could walk away I would, the pain and stress of being a fan just isn't worth it any more.

I'm just counting down the days until this thing has aired and it's in the past. Where we go from there though, I can't see it being good.

The UK Press has always hated MJ anyway ever since he bought The Beatles catalogue and I think that's what started there attacks on him but removing his music from radio stations here is a BIG step. As someone said earlier it's almost what they wanted to do all along.

I'm a long-term fan but I'm gonna lie I do have conflicting emotions about it all. It'll be interesting what the aftermath will bring.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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I feel it too.
It's sad. So very sad. I wish I could turn off my emotions and not care, but I just can't. Not gonna lie this whole ordeal has caused me some sleepless nights. It seems silly to say, but when you've been a fan of someone for 25+ years, he feels almost like family, and when you know what a ridiculous injustice this whole thing is and what a kind hearted person he was, it makes me just lose hope. The bad guys win again. The guy was tormented his entire life, from his childhood to his death and even now his legacy is being destroyed just to get 5 minutes of fame. If I could walk away I would, the pain and stress of being a fan just isn't worth it any more.

I'm just counting down the days until this thing has aired and it's in the past. Where we go from there though, I can't see it being good.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens now. We have done all we possibly can on social media. I don't think any of us would have thought this shit, this "doc" would make it so far.

Wade and Safechuck knew damn well what they were doing, for sure these assholes knew there was a possibility nobody would pick the "documentary" up like nobody wanted to publish a book. But they also knew that if it would succeed it could come to this, radio actually banning the man's music.

What frustrates me the most of all is that all this is happening because of these two pieces of shit who are so obviously lying. There is something really wrong with this world right now, that such a thing can manage to make it so far.

I absolutely believe this is thanks to the MeToo movement too and right now I say **** you to them. I'm done for today, I just hope in a week from now we're having a somewhat more positive look on things happening and please let the majority of radio stations act normal and not be a ****ing sheep.

Gonna try to remain optimistic, but can't deny I feel ****ed up as hell right now, just emotionally drained by it all. Zero doubts though, no conflicting emotions or thoughts at all, **** no.

 

[athina_livadi]

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Offcourse this type of post is coming again...
We're just discussing , it's allowed. We're still here so we're still believing in the truth. But one has to be realistic. If we can't talk here in trust, where can we....

This isn't discussion of being realistic or not. It's the truth versus lies. Have you seen Michael? Have you talked to him? Have you had a very treasured experience with him personally? No....Well I defend and love the man I know it's my right also. Once again it's about the truth not how many people will believe in his guilt and start burning him and anything pertaining to him as if we are in the middle ages and he is a bad wizard. This is reality!

 

[Blondie]

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I'm trying to just sit back and observe. I'm not as worried about everyone seeing this documentary now, everyone seems to know about it, there is a lot of hype. Will people be as drawn in as they have been promised? Who knows. With MJ i somehow feel he'll never be someone that people just agree on. I'm less convinced now that there will be as big a shockwave as everyone thinks. Many will believe it, many will not. That's how its always been. I have to see its all crumbling more than I thought. It's also clumsier than I thought it would be. I just hope someone will pick up on it. I have a weird sense that this isn't over

 

[aqwsz]

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This isn't discussion of being realistic or not. It's the truth versus lies. Have you seen Michael? Have you talked to him? Have you had a very treasured experience with him personally? No....Well I defend and love the man I know it's my right also. Once again it's about the truth not how many people will believe in his guilt and start burning him and anything pertaining to him as if we are in the middle ages and he is a bad wizard. This is reality!

Have you met him? How? Do you want to tell us about it?

 

[PoP]

Please remove these as soon as possible. I think they are totally inappropriate.

The public already thinks that fans are mad, bad or both. And ...you can be prosecuted for making threats.

(This is a public forum!!)

See 'Protection from Harassment Act 1997'
Fear of violence (section 4): an either way offence, carrying a maximum of five years' imprisonment and/or a fine on indictment;

Hey Hey Hey! It’s just a Wanted poster I created and this is just harmless creation. Plus I’m NOT making any threats, it’s just a creation! If you want it taken down, fine by me, I only wanna show this as a creation because my deviantArt page just reached a milestone. :ranting:And DON’T EVER EVER USE THAT “T” WORD TO ME AGAIN!!!:ranting::banghead:

 

[Dudex]

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maybe we should spread more info about the nature of this synthetic tree of lies?
They are all transparent. It's all because Harvey got into trouble.
And what is happening right now in people's minds is the kind of distractions they were hoping for by using their power for brainwashing the audience.
They created artificial scandal and trying to switch everyone's attention to it.
And it's up to people in those countries and around the world. I hope most of them will be conscious enough to understand what is this about.

the interests of the participants coincided at every level of this circus

 

[Thriller_MJ]

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This isn't discussion of being realistic or not. It's the truth versus lies. Have you seen Michael? Have you talked to him? Have you had a very treasured experience with him personally? No....Well I defend and love the man I know it's my right also. Once again it's about the truth not how many people will believe in his guilt and start burning him and anything pertaining to him as if we are in the middle ages and he is a bad wizard. This is reality!

We're not saying don't defend him, of course we all want him to be innocent and we are talking hypothetically and not matter-of-fact. But I do think we, as a fan base, if the worst comes to the worst, do need to think about our relationship with Michael after all this blows over. Now, before anyone jumps the gun on me i'm looking at a worst case scenario which i hope never happens.

 

[aqwsz]

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I'm trying to just sit back and observe. I'm not as worried about everyone seeing this documentary now, everyone seems to know about it, there is a lot of hype. Will people be as drawn in as they have been promised? Who knows. With MJ i somehow feel he'll never be someone that people just agree on. I'm less convinced now that there will be as big a shockwave as everyone thinks. Many will believe it, many will not. That's how its always been. I have to see its all crumbling more than I thought. It's also clumsier than I thought it would be. I just hope someone will pick up on it. I have a weird sense that this isn't over

The difference now is for those people who don't believe it, how will they react to what they see on screen? The pressure of others on the workfloor or school will have an impact in how they perceive this documentary, you don't want to get bullied because you don't believe in the doc...
It's a close encounter now with child abuse. The other times it was definitely less graphic unless you read tabloids which I think most people don't do.

It might sound stupid but it would have been a lot less damaging if Robson succeeded in releasing his book...

 

[nextbigthing56]

The man died in 09 but it looks like 2019 will be the year his legacy dies once and for all.

This might sound crazy but in a way I’m glad he is no longer a part of this world. He was far too good for it. I hope, where ever he is this isn’t causing him pain.

 

[athina_livadi]

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Have you met him? How? Do you want to tell us about it?

This is something personal that I don't want to discuss further all I want to say is that in 1993 he had stood by me like noone else has in my entire life by offering what I needed the most and yes I have seen him and touched him and God his aura made me feel the most soothing feeling I have ever had in my life.

 

[Scream]

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As much as I love the fans showing their support, a lot of them are unfortunately hurting the cause by letting their emotions get in the way of what they should be doing which is presenting the facts. You've gotta keep your cool and just present the information, the second you call the article writer names, you've lost, and you give the impression that we're all a bunch of loonie fanboys. People also need to stop mentioning what a great entertainer he was, it's not relevant and just makes you look like you're supporting him because he could do a great moonwalk. Again, I think the outpouring of support has been phenomenal, but some people have to be smarter with what they write, especially next week.

 

[terrell]

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yall, we are going to get through this. Hang in there. The feelings you are having are the same with the trial. It is going to be ok.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

I am now completely convinced that AEG LIVE and the powerful people in Holywood are behind this...., all this happened, miraculously, right after the jacksons sued AEG for 40 BILLIONS and right after that bs accusations made by the jacksons and Katherine Jackson aka whoever was acting on behalf of her (the other question is why they asked 40 billion, why not just rationally 1 billion, well maybe those acting onj behalf of the Jacksons had an agenda as well and knew something and the lawsuit was the warning) , wade made these monstrous accusations and all of a sudden James Safechuck, who coincidentally has worked for HBO on some IT projects.... made the same accusations...., and now we have the very same players in the very same filthy game.

Like right after Oprahs interview with MJ in 1993 there came accusations (I dont believe that simple story about Evan Chandler blackmailing MJ)...
Like right after Bashir interviewwith MJ in 2003 there came accusations (the very same patters and scheme of accusation format to have one boy and the same claims)
Like right after suing AEG Live for 40 billion in 2013 there came accusations by the ones who previously defended MJ....

The 10 year period is obvious, the same players involved in the game.... and still in the same calendar period - the first 2-3 months of the year, almost the same days...

A coincidence? nah...

People havent seen the pornlike fakeumentary yet, just heard or read about it, but they are sure Mj is/was or has to be guilty.... but they can not tell you WHY exactly they think that or why they are persuaded....

This is just a fragment of the social media degeneration and why its important to comment all the articles without MJs avatars of your profiles, and why its important to argue with nothing but facts, no fandom, no emotions, no depression..., but facts.

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The man died in 09 but it looks like 2019 will be the year his legacy dies once and for all.

This might sound crazy but in a way I’m glad he is no longer a part of this world. He was far too good for it. I hope, where ever he is this isn’t causing him pain.

No.... his legacy cant die just because of a fictitious doc, we the fans and the Estate and J family have our turn now, we are prepared for the battle...

 

[aqwsz]

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This is something personal that I don't want to discuss further all I want to say is that in 1993 he had stood by me like noone else has in my entire life by offering what I needed the most and yes I have seen him and touched him and God his aura made me feel the most soothing feeling I have ever had in my life.

Ok, I believe you.

This reminds me of the Donald Trump story where he was having dinner with MJ in a restaurant where all high profile powerful people would eat. They all came over to their table to ask for autographs being all nervous etc. People who wouldn't flinch when meeting the president or anybody else...

It's unreal how a human being can have that effect on people, it's fascinating and my reaction would be no different.

 

[Blondie]

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A lot happened even just in the last couple of days. Questions about the birthday video, more inconsistencies, Brett and Aaron speaking up. Dan Reed thinks what he's done is fool proof but the scrutiny will rumble on, no doubt about that. Who knows what else will be unearthed. Nothing surprises me any more