Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

volitional · Mar 5, 2019

travis3000 said:
Ellen Degeneres is now on board with this crap, tweeting that shes watching the Oprah special right now and that "everyone" should watch Leaving Neverland.

That's a shame I liked her. The problem I've always had with Ellen is that she is too enamoured with Oprah. Thinks she can do no wrong and walks on water.

terrell said:
MAJORITY of people aint stupid and people are just sick of it. And here is the funny part,NOT all those viewers believe none of it.

Unfortunately a large majority are. The problem is no one will fact check and rely on the media to give a balanced account. How many of us looked into R Kelly's allegations or Bill Cosby to see if the facts being reported were true. I didn't. How many believe, don't or really don't care no idea. But it's this whole Hollywood crap of jumping on the bandwagon as if to say look we are perfect and dont tolerate this stuff any more.

We need to continue to believe and continue to fight. I can't think of another fan base that would fight the way we do. Just want to say thanks to all those people fighting on the social media front and trying to bring the facts to the general public.

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael’s U.K. fans have been all over the media in the last few days - BBC Radio, Sky News, ITV. We are fighting back against this one sided narrative that has dominated the media. We will not allow Michael’s voice to be silenced or the truth of his innocence.</p>— Pez Jax (@Pezjax) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1102991683736793089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Macaulay Culkin & Corey Feldman Defend Michael Jackson _ E! News<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnoccent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnoccent</a> <a href="https://t.co/xpTGpOa10t">pic.twitter.com/xpTGpOa10t</a></p>— Michael Jackson CLUB (@mjjsource_) <a href="https://twitter.com/mjjsource_/status/1102905702631333890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now this is funny

<a href="https://t.co/FH19q8OwGf">https://t.co/FH19q8OwGf</a></p>— Ivy (@Ivy_4MJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ivy_4MJ/status/1103004683294130176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watching now <a href="https://twitter.com/HBODocs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBODocs</a> Sorry but to me this seems very forced and fabricated. Really feels like these alleged victims are after their pot of gold. <br>I am watching with an open mind but.....sorry...nah. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeveland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeveland</a></p>— Darren Holden (@darrenholden72) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenholden72/status/1102749769481490433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AMAZING! Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Pezjax</a> for defending <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> ! We are proud of you! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/eu2vjdnlkc">pic.twitter.com/eu2vjdnlkc</a></p>— MJVibe (@Mjvibe) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe/status/1102854272155303936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

SeeingVoices · Mar 5, 2019

On another note, and I know Taj is doing his best to come to MJ's defense, but I feel that he really holds back in fighting back with solid facts.

After watching his latest appearances on UK television he strongly labours the point that he never witnessed anything inapproriate and highlights this is a cash grab. While he says this with conviction and passion, it's far too predictive and doesn't offer a compelling rebuttal. Viewers are going to expect this arguement but by offering undeniable facts this is how we get the attention and exposure.

I wonder why he refrains from presenting facts to demonstrate W&S's lack of credibility? It's so frustating. I find myself SHOUTING at the TV hoping to prompt him to say something with real substance.

Bless him, I know he's doing his best!

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘My uncle was probably one of the most scrutinised people in the world … it would have to be the most elaborate scheme the world has ever seen.’<br><br>In an exclusive chat with <a href="https://twitter.com/GMB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GMB</a>, Michael Jackson’s nephew Taj explains the family's upset at allegations made in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/pmfDZLEE2i">pic.twitter.com/pmfDZLEE2i</a></p>— Good Morning Britain (@GMB) <a href="https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1102845437697052674?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They don’t care about her, his kids or his family. It’s all about $$$. They will lie and trash anyone if it means $$$. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/greed?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#greed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/manipulation?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#manipulation</a> <a href="https://t.co/AEjl8MkJQz">https://t.co/AEjl8MkJQz</a></p>— TJ Jackson (@tjjackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tjjackson/status/1102415722599211013?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson was under FBI surveillance for well over a decade. They found NOTHING to substantiate claims of child abuse. He was also fully exonerated following his '05 trial. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> fails to highlight these FACTS - and MJ is no longer here to defend himself.</p>— Pras Michél (@PrasMichel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PrasMichel/status/1102487601921974273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/eScarry?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@eScarry</a> doesn't believe Michael Jackson’s accusers in ‘Leaving Neverland’ <a href="https://t.co/1mDN7n6FKr">https://t.co/1mDN7n6FKr</a></p>— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) <a href="https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1102705503279431682?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

elusive moonwalker · Mar 5, 2019

SeeingVoices said:
So based on the above, we may expect a larger immediate audience tuning in compared with the US?

I can't wait for the month of March to be over! In anticipation of the UK's airing I've deliberately made plans to not be in the house. The temptation to tune in would be too great..

Yes i be shocked if it less than HBO. Maybe 3 mill im guessing here though. Chan 4"is free view so different aswell.

elusive moonwalker · Mar 5, 2019

Thanks for posting tjs tweet

AlwaysThere · Mar 5, 2019

Every poll I've seen so far regarding these accusations, most of which have thousands upon thousands of votes, have been highly in Michael's defense. I haven't seen one where the pro-innocence option attracted less than 70% of cast votes.

Reed, Robson, and Safechuck are failing.

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People are so concerned about kids during this whole <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> scandal but why is everybody forgetting Michael’s kids? Stay strong <a href="https://twitter.com/ParisJackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ParisJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/princemjjjaxon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@princemjjjaxon</a> & Blanket. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJfam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJfam</a> is with you.🙏🏽❤️<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a></p>— Simonna (@Simonna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Simonna/status/1102680586680844288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So many fans around the world that have worked SO hard. <a href="https://twitter.com/DespicableDrew?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DespicableDrew</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Happychick93?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Happychick93</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJJusticePrjct</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/FallAgainMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FallAgainMJ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/kerryhennigan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@kerryhennigan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Mellie4Justice?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mellie4Justice</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/NSpaghetti7?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NSpaghetti7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VP_Advocacy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BjerreAmalie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BjerreAmalie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/K_N_Ife?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@K_N_Ife</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJDoggoneLover?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJDoggoneLover</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SmoovArt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SmoovArt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/beatrixarthur?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@beatrixarthur</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheWigSnatcher1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheWigSnatcher1</a> and many more.</p>— andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1103012094872416261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> we have to give a huge shoutout to these fans/super researchers, who have put their time, money and YEARS of researching to bring the truth to other fans. <a href="https://twitter.com/Ivy_4MJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ivy_4MJ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JuliaBerkowitz1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/sanemjfan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sanemjfan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tinklove05?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tinklove05</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Caramelicedtea?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Caramelicedtea</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Hammertonhal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HammertonHal</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Tige2340?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Tige2340</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJRepository</a></p>— andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1103000125914243072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There's a whole lot of lying going on ... But in the words of <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackson</a> ... "Lies run sprints truth runs marathons" ... Flying like the Eagles ... we'll find out who is gonna make it in the long run ... See u @ the top or from the top... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/liar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#liar</a> ... xoxoxo <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a>🕯🙏🏾 <a href="https://t.co/ogmOd3Kf4U">pic.twitter.com/ogmOd3Kf4U</a></p>— Darius Mccrary (@DariusMccrary) <a href="https://twitter.com/DariusMccrary/status/1102672243887357952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OK <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFAM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFAM</a> take a deep breath TODAY. Get ready for TOMORROW. We have to support <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFAM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFAM</a> from England. They are doing an amazing work! "Just call my name and I'll be there".</p>— Nimue (@Nimue9) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nimue9/status/1103017697540038657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

elusive moonwalker · Mar 5, 2019

I think taj said in one of the interviews that blanket has stopped talking and his teachers are really worried about him. They have the cheek to say this is about abuse and victims. They dont give a dam. A tweet campaign in support of them would be good

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sorry to burst your bubble but there was no obsession. The rest of us just didn't get media attention. Don't fit the narrative. 😂😂. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJINNOCENT?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJINNOCENT</a> <a href="https://t.co/ucKYmr93KQ">pic.twitter.com/ucKYmr93KQ</a></p>— Yashi Brown (@YashiBrown) <a href="https://twitter.com/YashiBrown/status/1102462568105312256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"that's what you do for friends, you tell the truth" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WadeRobson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WadeRobson</a> .. until that friends Estate doesn't give you the plumb job that wouldve brought you much wealth and future career opportunities. .. Then truth don't matter so much... <a href="https://t.co/329pBXZgRB">https://t.co/329pBXZgRB</a></p>— MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1103022782412075008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AfterNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AfterNeverland</a> As an attorney, I watch these "documentaries" (hint: they aren't) & watch the makers take their audience anywhere they want them to go. The audience ends up w/the strong feelings the producers want. You're being manipulated. Get pissed about THAT.</p>— Facts Not Quacks (@dawnddurante) <a href="https://twitter.com/dawnddurante/status/1102825506968399873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Especially being as that the stories of the victims have changed so much. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/8ixRKHQqKz">https://t.co/8ixRKHQqKz</a></p>— Mandy Hale (@MissMandyHale) <a href="https://twitter.com/MissMandyHale/status/1102405058640121856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We Are the World and we believe <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> .. much love to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> fans in Paris, France <a href="https://t.co/DB17ZW7rBT">pic.twitter.com/DB17ZW7rBT</a></p>— MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1102810975311286272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China representing the MJGlobal family in protest against the deceitful and unethical <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/KRfvLSLS7Z">pic.twitter.com/KRfvLSLS7Z</a></p>— MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1102799650170396672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheView?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheView</a> I'm not taking Michael Jackson's side but this is alleged with nothing proved. You have convicted him already. One of you, Sonny, is a lawyer.</p>— Ronald D. Fisher Jr. (@Teamsterfor35) <a href="https://twitter.com/Teamsterfor35/status/1102967487124123648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is how ALL of MJONE Cirque shows are looking throughout the month of March. Majority sold out! <a href="https://t.co/3RDATbLwrH">pic.twitter.com/3RDATbLwrH</a></p>— Cherrelle (@Happychick93) <a href="https://twitter.com/Happychick93/status/1102810160785969152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great job <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Pezjax</a> >>Pez Jax from MJVibe speaking at Sky News about "Should we mute Michael J... <a href="https://t.co/5OVjWra6ci">https://t.co/5OVjWra6ci</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouTube?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouTube</a></p>— Melanie321 (@Mellie4Justice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mellie4Justice/status/1102939998444285957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An excellent thread on the problems of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> doc. <br><br>The more I dig around wanting to believe the victims, the more I find it all just doesn’t make sense. I’m horrified at why the director Dan Reed did not put some of the facts presented in this thread below, to Wade? <a href="https://t.co/DcZGpltkrK">https://t.co/DcZGpltkrK</a></p>— Yasmin A. Choudhury (@yasminisyasmin) <a href="https://twitter.com/yasminisyasmin/status/1102447002330247168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Getting ready to join in the Rick and Sasha show, tune in now to listen! <a href="https://t.co/v8mRm9J1Hg">pic.twitter.com/v8mRm9J1Hg</a></p>— Brandi Jackson (@BJackson82) <a href="https://twitter.com/BJackson82/status/1102915716192231424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I need to know who are the HBO producers behind the documentary. I need to let them know Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck are con artist! During My tenure with MJ I never met these dudes and you had to go through me to see MJ. They are LIARS!!</p>— Bill Whitfield (@MJBODYGUARDS) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJBODYGUARDS/status/1102010941518934018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KOPV · Mar 5, 2019

IDK who has watched it here, I know some have, some plan to, and some wont..

Even trying to take my Michael fan hat off, deleting all the facts I am aware of regarding the allegations and the BS I would love to scream to the world..

last night I started it got 40 minutes in... This is what I see

it is NOT normal for victims of abuse (and mothers of) to smile, laugh and speak of the world around the abuser with such adoration and excitement. Even if it was 'great' at the time for them (no matter how magical it was) - 30 years later after knowing of the 'abuse', it is unnatural for parents (that would naturally feel shame for not protecting their children) to lovingly glorify the time period they neglected their child.

They smile will adoration, laugh and speak of the magic.. Watch the high level of emotion behind that time period.. Compare that to the rest of the doc after it goes dark... The emotion dissipates, shouldn't that be the highest peak of emotion?

ksat9 · Mar 5, 2019

This.
I saw most being skeptical of their story because of the laughing and most left the mokumentary the moment Wade said Michael’s hair felt like a brillo pad. Once he said that, he lost the majority of black viewers because we know the texture of our hair.

Michael ain’t going nowhere and they probably knew it deep down too which was why they tried to make the fans seem crazy and turn people away from listening to them.

The only people who believe this are people who always thought he was guilty and felt his celebrity and money got him off in 05 and the people in the media who are supporting them are probably doing it for a check since most of them are associated with HBO/Oprah.
I’ve said it to others and I will state it here, the younger generation actually taking the time out to research and knowing his cases front to back will be why his legacy will stand forever.

La74 · Mar 5, 2019

elusive moonwalker;4245814 said:
I think taj said in one of the interviews that blanket has stopped talking and his teachers are really worried about him. They have the cheek to say this is about abuse and victims. They dont give a dam. A tweet campaign in support of them would be good

They don’t understand what they are doing to the family. Or just don’t care.

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was blessed to work with <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> on 2 short films (1993&96)that featured a cast of kids.I spent day after day w/MJ & kids-a month for 12 hrs a day or more.U get to know a person quickly under those conditions. I’ll support him always. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/michaeljackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/ouTPrvQhlZ">pic.twitter.com/ouTPrvQhlZ</a></p>— Shana Mangatal (@ImShanaMangatal) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImShanaMangatal/status/1101608264255467520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It is Safechuck...and Safechuck’s mother was there also. <a href="https://t.co/1kRXluIJIK">https://t.co/1kRXluIJIK</a></p>— Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/1102742498517037056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“It doesn’t matter what I say or do, the media will always write what they want about me”. That was <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a>’s reply to me in June 2002 when I asked about how he was perceived in the press.<br>Full article:<a href="https://t.co/1hLUVwzv0j">https://t.co/1hLUVwzv0j</a> <a href="https://t.co/Fn0P6mNOLi">pic.twitter.com/Fn0P6mNOLi</a></p>— Adrian Grant (@Adrian_Grant) <a href="https://twitter.com/Adrian_Grant/status/1102864945291714560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is why we do what we do. We are SO grateful for our listeners. We get letters from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> in the USA, UK, Wales, Norway, Iran, Sweden & more.<br>Tune in!<br>^Q<br>📲 <a href="https://t.co/9Ou5IdYHjV">https://t.co/9Ou5IdYHjV</a><br>⌨️ <a href="https://t.co/Cdq1cWSS3X">https://t.co/Cdq1cWSS3X</a><br>📼 <a href="https://t.co/NDggJXDOgW">https://t.co/NDggJXDOgW</a><br>Donate to Taj> <a href="https://t.co/deaC7w1qdV">https://t.co/deaC7w1qdV</a> <a href="https://t.co/ffhCcMzLrD">pic.twitter.com/ffhCcMzLrD</a></p>— The MJCast (@TheMJCast) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast/status/1102890004441784320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yeah I don’t believe them. Should have guessed when every major review proclaimed it a soul-shaking indictment. <a href="https://t.co/WmLy1bEsk1">https://t.co/WmLy1bEsk1</a></p>— Eddie Scarry (@eScarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/eScarry/status/1102707216610664450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We told you not to waste your time. Perjurers are not worth our time. I’m only here for MJ because <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/1eDIPsf93H">https://t.co/1eDIPsf93H</a></p>— _ItsToni_ (@_ItsToni_) <a href="https://twitter.com/_ItsToni_/status/1102404120290439168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Korgnex · Mar 5, 2019

It should also be noted that Dan Reed is only answering serious questions with "shifting the blame"-type of non-answers when he escapes questions he cannot answer with credible arguments, eg "the Estate are scared of their assets" when being asked about the money for them. xD

Also he's always promoting the "these little boys" and "the grooming process, you know" images and want them to pop into people's heads, without actually ever saying anything of real value. I'm sure he does not believe intelligent people - for God's sake there are enough on this planet - would not be able to see through it, but it's his (only) prime time now and that's it.

Also the "money and power of stars" argument being probably the highlight of him hijacking the #metoo movement for emotional support without realizing people are being lied to.

MJ didn't have any "power", since - just like now - most other public figures don't want their names to be associated with such news and for various reasons do not publicly side with MJ - which is understandable. There are only a few exceptions.
So much for "power".
Whereas Weinstein has actual power, as the timing of the media reports, the airing, the programs etc. have all been cleverly timed once again. Trump and Weinstein have power, MJ doesn't have such connections that can manipulate the masses. He had a record label and normal PR stuff like any other major international artist has had.

myosotis · Mar 5, 2019

elusive moonwalker said:
Yes i be shocked if it less than HBO. Maybe 3 mill im guessing here though. Chan 4"is free view so different aswell.

Looking at late February 2019:

From BARB, the top 15 UK TV programmes for the week 18- 24 Feb 19 had between 6 and 9 million viewers. All of these programmes were on BBC or ITV.

9 of these 15 were episodes of 'soaps' and 2 were sports events.

(See Table below chart)

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/four-screen-dashboard/

From 'Channel groupings', Channel 4 GROUP had 9.25% of the total UK TV audience (BBC1 had 21.6% and ITV had 11%. Channel 4 alone had 4%. )

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/weekly-viewing-by-channel-group/

(This also gives an idea of the timelag we might have to wait before getting final UK TV figs for this week - 'draft' figures might come out earlier. )

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wade Robson Begged to Be Part of Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil Show <a href="https://t.co/ySkNik8zvz">https://t.co/ySkNik8zvz</a></p>— andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1102731464754380800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am appalled that <a href="https://twitter.com/Oprah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@oprah</a> someone who I admired and was a fan of would do this gutter tv special <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AfterNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AfterNeverland</a> no evidence?no conviction?? Just destroying a legacy because 2 deadbeats want a check! I’m canceling <a href="https://twitter.com/OWNTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OWNTV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/HBO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBO</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/oprahmagazine?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@oprahmagazine</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ww_us?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ww_us</a> everything you are with Im done!</p>— MotherDMavis (@MotherDMavis) <a href="https://twitter.com/MotherDMavis/status/1100895612395053057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What have I learned in the last week while defending Michael Jackson? I learned that my fellow liberal <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FBR?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FBR</a> can actually be completely clueless and classless. I have also learned that some <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Trump?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Trump</a> supporters can have class and destroy MJ Haters with facts! 🤯 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a></p>— Dr. Andrew Greene (@AndrewGreene864) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewGreene864/status/1102812973846925313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. März 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

terrell · Mar 5, 2019

volitional said:
That's a shame I liked her. The problem I've always had with Ellen is that she is too enamoured with Oprah. Thinks she can do no wrong and walks on water.

Unfortunately a large majority are. The problem is no one will fact check and rely on the media to give a balanced account. How many of us looked into R Kelly's allegations or Bill Cosby to see if the facts being reported were true. I didn't. How many believe, don't or really don't care no idea. But it's this whole Hollywood crap of jumping on the bandwagon as if to say look we are perfect and dont tolerate this stuff any more.

We need to continue to believe and continue to fight. I can't think of another fan base that would fight the way we do. Just want to say thanks to all those people fighting on the social media front and trying to bring the facts to the general public.

I do not think the majority do but we follow people who are hollowing on tv or some comment box. Bill Cosby was viewed not innocent but many people do not think the ladies were innocent either. His deposition is what hurt him but many people think that went both ways. And guess what, Cosby show is back on air AT REQUEST and doing great on TVone doing 3 to 4 runs a day.

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

La74 said:
Quote Originally Posted by elusive moonwalker
I think taj said in one of the interviews that blanket has stopped talking and his teachers are really worried about him. They have the cheek to say this is about abuse and victims. They dont give a dam. A tweet campaign in support of them would be good.

i think that's the part https://www.instagram.com/bigi*****n/

Edit: it's " b i g i j a c k o n " on insta

Staffordshire Bullterrier · Mar 5, 2019

There's a woman replying to Jermaine on Twitter and she claims she has always been a extreme fan, read anything that was printed and she hates it but she believes MJ did it. How?

Also plenty of idiots who call out Jermaine and say he can't not condemn Michael because he obviously hurt those children and families. I've now seen that there are tons of complete numbskulls on Twitter.

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

Michael Jackson's legacy clouded by dark documentary

By Associated Press

Published: 18:14 GMT, 5 March 2019

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Can the memory of Michael Jackson survive "Leaving Neverland"?

After all, it has bounced back before. The superstar's image was tarnished by allegations of sexual abuse that shadowed him throughout much of his adult life and even stood trial on child molestation charges in 2005, for which he was acquitted. His untimely death in 2009 seemed to wash that stain away in an outpouring of public love and a resurgence of sales of his always popular music.

Now, 10 years later, the HBO documentary "Leaving Neverland" has aired detailed and disturbing stories from two men who say Jackson groomed them for sex and molested them when they were just little boys.

It has cast a spotlight on Jackson's unsavory history at a #MeToo moment when old allegations against stars have been taking hold, and taking them down.

So far, there has been no evidence of major damage to Jackson's music or his estate, which has made an estimated $2 billion since his death. His music has been featured in commercials and is the subject of a Cirque Du Soleil show in Las Vegas. A play about his life by Pulitzer Prize-winner Lynn Nottage is due out on Broadway next year.

And it may not. After all, Jackson is dead now, which means he can't be charged or put on trial, keeping the story in the headlines for months or years to come.

And there is Jackson's nearly unparalleled star status - starting out as a cherub-faced 11-year-old sensation with the Jackson 5, then catapulting into a global phenomenon with the world's best-selling album of all time, "Thriller," to his credit and hits adored by multiple generations.

"It's hard to compare someone of Michael Jackson's caliber to anyone else," said Danny Deraney, a publicist who often handles crisis management. "I don't think we've seen anything like it."

Still, Oprah Winfrey, with her vast influence, may have heralded a shift in public attitudes just by hosting the special "After Neverland," in which she interviewed the documentary's subjects, James Safechuck and Wade Robson.

"I hope we can get beyond Michael Jackson the icon, stop staring into the sun, and do what is necessary to help our children and ourselves," Winfrey said in front of an audience of sexual abuse survivors and their supporters.

She did not directly condemn Jackson. But she praised the film, treated its assertions as truth, and said that she was expecting an earful from Jackson's defenders.

"I'm gonna get it," Winfrey, who interviewed Jackson before the allegations emerged in 1993 and his family after his death, said at the end of the show that aired Sunday and Monday on HBO and OWN just after the documentary.

And she did. Even before the special taped, she was subject to fierce criticism by some who left disparaging comments on her social media account.

It could be that Jackson's fandom is so pervasive, especially in countries that don't follow his personal news closely, that the documentary and renewed allegations will just make a small dent.

"For Michael Jackson's fans, more so probably outside of America, I don't think it will have an effect, because they'll ride or die with Michael," Deraney said.

Robson and Safechuck's allegations didn't emerge until 2013, when they filed lawsuits seeking money from Jackson's estate that have since been thrown out and are under appeal. Both men had previously denied Jackson sexually abused them and had been among his fiercest defenders when Jackson was alive, but say having their own children and Jackson's death led them to confront their truth.

Because of the men's past denials, some Jackson fans have dismissed their testimonies as lies, motivated by money. Some even refused to watch the documentary. Still, after the film began airing, there were casual fans who felt gutted by the revelations, with some saying they could not listen to his music the same way - if at all.

"People have already made the decision one way or the other," Deraney said. "I think when a lot of people think of Michael Jackson they already think 'pedophile,' whether or not there is any proof."

"I think what it comes down to," Deraney added, "is future generations."

Many millennials have only vague knowledge of the Jackson accusations, and are shocked even by facts that are acknowledged by both sides.

"I'm young enough to have not been aware of the allegations about Michael Jackson as they were happening," 31-year-old New York Times columnist Jamelle Bouie tweeted while watching the documentary. "It is WILD TO ME that anyone thought his behavior around and constant contact with young boys was remotely okay."

Some of Jackson's fellow artists have indicated they will not give him and his influence up easily, and say they can separate the performer from the person.

Jason Derulo recently released the first music and videos from a planned boxed set of EPs that the singer and dancer made in tribute to Jackson. It's set to be released in its entirety on June 25, the 10th anniversary of Jackson's death.

"Michael was the sole reason I started singing and dancing, so this was a way for me to give back," Derulo, who has not seen "Leaving Neverland," told The Associated Press. "I started this project because of my love of the performer that Michael Jackson is and the influence that he had on my life as the best performer that ever lived. This has nothing to do with anyone's personal life."

India.Arie says it was right to speak out against R. Kelly, who faces new sexual abuse charges after the Lifetime documentary "Surviving R. Kelly" aired more than a decade after he was cleared of child pornography charges. But Jackson's situation is different, the singer said.

"I think it's too late for people to be saying 'mute Michael Jackson,'" Arie told the AP.

"With R. Kelly there's video," she said, referencing a sex tape that allegedly shows the singer's abuse. "With Michael Jackson, there's a lot of speculation. I don't know if it's going to go as far. ... Not because we love him more, I just think it's a different situation."

Jackson's estate, his most ardent fans, and his family, have no such ambiguity in their views. They say the documentary repeats discredited allegations from admitted liars.

Jackson's brothers said they were already in a rough period of managing his memory and legacy with their father Joseph Jackson's death last year, when they heard that "Leaving Neverland" was coming.

"This time is difficult for us because you know Michael, coming up on the 10th anniversary of his passing and my father passed away six months ago," Marlon Jackson told the AP last week. "So those things are still there, and you never get rid of them. You learn to live with them. And now we're dealing with something that's totally different but has no truth to it. There's no facts at all."

At least one prominent and formerly devoted fan says he's been forced to reconsider.

"I've spent a lifetime loving MJ," Los Angeles Times music writer Gerrick D. Kennedy wrote after seeing the documentary's premiere at the Sundance Film Festival.

"Roughly an hour into 'Leaving Neverland,' it felt like my chest had caved in .... It wasn't long before I accepted that 'Leaving Neverland' would force me - and likely many others who also feel a deep connection to Jackson's work - to see that none of us really knew him. And that maybe we'd been avoiding the truth."

The subjects of the documentary themselves don't have strong feelings about whether people should give up Jackson's music.

"It's a chance to reevaluate who you want to be your idols," Safechuck told the AP at Sundance. "Because you can write a song, does that mean you should be people's moral compass? ... It's less about tearing down somebody and more about an opportunity of who do we want to look up to."

"There's plenty of other amazing people to fill that role."

___

Associated Press Writers Gary Gerard Hamilton and Lindsey Bahr contributed to this report.

La74 · Mar 5, 2019

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
There's a woman replying to Jermaine on Twitter and she claims she has always been a extreme fan, read anything that was printed and she hates it but she believes MJ did it. How?

Also plenty of idiots who call out Jermaine and say he can't not condemn Michael because he obviously hurt those children and families. I've now seen that there are tons of complete numbskulls on Twitter.

It is a very old techniqe to pretend to be a fan then you are really a hater to make it beleivable. I mean an extreme fan who has no clue what so ever and falls for this now. If you are the least bit interested your really know better.

MJRemixed · Mar 5, 2019

UK FANS: do not watch the documentary on channel 4 tomorrow. Don’t add to the viewing figures which is what they want.

Also please keep streaming Money on YouTube via mjs official channel ONLY, and via Spotify and iTunes. We need this track in the top 20 at least. I’ve had it repeated a lot of times today. THIS is THE track that explains this whole mess.

Paris78 · Mar 5, 2019

EXCLUSIVE: Lawyer who took Wade Robson's deposition in Michael Jackson's child molestation trial in 2005 says the Australian dancer and his co-accuser James Safechuck are lying - simply chasing 'fame and money'

Brian Oxman has hit out against Michael Jackson accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck, saying the two are lying about the King of Pop abusing them
Oxman was Jackson's lawyer during his 2005 child molestation trial and took Robson's sworn out-of-court testimony ahead and had numerous calls with him
The 66-year-old said: 'I cannot tell you how many countless times Robson told me: ''Michael did not do this. This boy (Arvizo) shouldn't be doing this'''
He added: 'Wade and I discussed explicit details of the allegations... he always stuck to his story that Michael was innocent of these charges'
Lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau asked Robson outright three times and he denied each count, according to the transcript dated May 5, 2005
Oxman said: 'For him to change that story all these years later means he lied to us all, including the court - and that is perjury'
Oxman added that HBO's Leaving Neverland documentary is not 'balanced' saying it's a 'one sided attack on a dead man from two perjurers'

By Ryan Parry West Coast Editor For Dailymail.com And James Desborough For Dailymail.com

Published: 20:14 GMT, 5 March 2019 | Updated: 20:51 GMT, 5 March 2019

The attorney who took Wade Robson's hours long deposition ahead of Michael Jackson's now infamous 2005 child molestation trial says he and James Safechuck are lying about being abused by the King Of Pop and insists the pair were never paid off by the superstar.

The bombshell documentary Leaving Neverland premiered on HBO on Sunday, detailing the shocking abuse allegations made by the two men.

But Jackson's former lawyer and confidante Brian Oxman, 66, blasted the film, claiming Robson and Safechuck are simply chasing 'fame and money.'

And for the first time the former attorney - who knew Jackson for three decades - details to DailyMailTV how he had numerous telephone calls with Robson to take his sworn out-of-court testimony ahead of the Gavin Arvizo trial and reveals how he repeatedly stated: 'Michael never abused me.'

The once high-profile attorney was on the defense team which successfully helped Jackson get acquitted of 14 charges of abuse leveled at him by accuser Arvizo.

And at each point during his deposition and while sitting on the stand, Oxman says, Robson was 'adamant' that Jackson never touched him or any other children.

Oxman said the Australian dance choreographer even volunteered to fly from his homeland to defend the Bad singer at the highly publicized trial.

And the attorney said an emotional Robson was tearful during their lengthy phone chats, telling him: 'They shouldn't be doing this...tell Michael we are in his corner...I will do whatever it takes to be there for Michael.'

In an exclusive interview Oxman told DailyMailTV: 'We heard the prosecution were planning to make a case that Michael had abused Wade.

'Obviously we reached out to Robson after that to ask him to give evidence about what he knew.

'He was hesitant at first to go public in this case, but did always say Michael never touched him.

'We weren't sure he was going to give evidence, but he kept calling me asking about the progress of the case.

'He was very concerned and was so upset that he had a change of heart.

'And I was charged with taking his deposition. I spent many hours talking to him on the phone and cannot tell you how many countless times Robson told me: ''Michael did not do this. This boy (Arvizo) shouldn't be doing this.''

'He always tried to reach Michael and told me, ''Can you get a message to him that we are in his corner'' and added, ''I will do whatever it takes to be there for Michael.''

Oxman says the detailed deposition covered every aspect of Robson and Jackson's relationship and the allegations of abuse the prosecution asserted.
Oxman said the Australian dance choreographer volunteered to fly from his homeland to defend the Bad singer at the highly publicized trial

. And the attorney said an emotional Robson (right) was tearful during their lengthy phone chats, telling him: 'They shouldn't be doing this...tell Michael we are in his corner...I will do whatever it takes to be there for Michael'

Oxman says the detailed deposition covered every aspect of Robson and Jackson's relationship and the allegations of abuse the prosecution asserted.

Let's not sugarcoat this matter,' Oxman explained. 'Wade and I discussed explicit details of the allegations and any things he may have felt were inappropriate, but he always stuck to his story that Michael was innocent of these charges.

On one occasion there was talk of abuse at a hotel, but Robson hit back: 'No that was not true and my mother was there.'

'Over each conversation he was adamant, and I was so confident in his testimony that I arranged for the ticket from Australia for him to be a key defense witness.'

Oxman insists there was no secret monetary deal struck with Robson other than to pay his travel expenses.

'It was simply a payment of a witness' reasonable expenses to attend, which is statutory, and we stuck to the ethical boundaries,' he said. 'It was arranged strictly through attorneys not Michael.'

Oxman arranged for Robson to fly to Santa Barbara from his home in Australia for the trial in Santa Maria, California, and refutes claims that Jackson coached or bribed him.

'Michael nor any of the legal team paid him a dime to give evidence or talk positively about Michael,' Oxman said.

'And any suggestions that Michael had contact with the witness at that time to coerce him is nonsense too, because it would be undue influence. Under my instructions they did not meet or talk.

'And at that time given how prosecutors were keen on getting Michael for anything, that did not happen on my watch.'

After Robson jetted to California to testify as a key defense witness, Oxman recalls being in court to watch his testimony held over two court sessions.

And in court transcripts obtained by DailyMailTV his denials couldn't be clearer.

Lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau asked Robson outright three times and he denied each count.

According to the transcript dated May 5, 2005, Mesereau asked: 'Mr Robson did Michael Jackson ever molest you at any time?'

The choreographer, then 26, replied: 'Absolutely not.'

The lawyer then followed up: 'Mr Robson did Michael Jackson ever touch you in a sexual way?

Robson responded: 'Never, no.'

Then he probed again: 'Mr Robson has Mr Jackson ever inappropriately touched any part of your body at any time?' Robson again said: ''No.''

Oxman fired back on the court documents: 'It clearly shows the two men are liars. Robson told the court the same thing he had told me many times before, and had sworn on the Bible. So for him to change that story all these years later means he lied to us all, including the court - and that is perjury. But it is such an old case, the police will not act.

'And I count at least six felonies if he is really telling the truth now. I just do not buy it. Even if he told his version of events now, he would have been impeached because he told the police in 1993 that Michael did not abuse him.

'I would have loved to have stared into his eyes and cross examined him for this TV show.'

The former lawyer added that the documentary is not 'balanced' saying it's a 'one sided attack on a dead man from two perjurers'.

He said: 'It is a disgrace that they had a guarantee that no one would confront them.

'The Jackson family members would all have lined up to give their versions.'

Oxman says he did ponder for a moment whether the two men, who as children spent time in Jackson's bedroom, could be telling the truth - but he reflected: 'Wade never changed his story for many years and I do not believe what he is saying today. It is for fame and money.

'Personally it sickens and hurts me that they would stoop this low.

'The Michael Jackson I knew was not a child abuser and I knew him throughout the whole of his life.'

However, Oxman did admit that Jackson refused to stop entertaining children at his Neverland ranch, despite his nearly $25 million payoff to Jordie Chandler in 1995.

'We told Michael it is was too risky. He was always insistent: ''I am not doing anything improper and I am not going to let my critics dictate my life.''

'From my knowledge there was someone present who watched and nothing ever took place that was improper.

'His theory was that he did not have a childhood and this was his decision.

'I challenged him about his great childhood, but he always said, ''I would have liked to have played more, and lived like other children... and so I am doing that now.''

Oxman, who can no longer work as an attorney after being disbarred by the California Bar Association in 2012 over misuse of a client's trust, says he's still close to the Jackson family. He reveals Jackson matriarch Katherine has been rocked by the HBO documentary, which has affected her health, while other family members are livid at Robson and Safechuck.

'Wade always said that he supported Michael to the family, and they were grateful when he gave evidence in the trial,' he explained.

'So for this to happen now is like a dagger to their hearts, and they cannot understand why he is doing it. It's a betrayal and everyone feels it is money motivated.'

In 2005 Jackson endured a painful three months on trial for seven counts of child sexual abuse on 13-year-old cancer survivor Gavin Arvizo.

But the jury found the superstar innocent of all charges.

Unfortunately Oxman was fired from Jackson's defense team by lead attorney Mesereau before the trial concluded.

He later appeared as a legal expert on a range of TV programs including Good Morning America, Nancy Grace and Larry King Live.

The former attorney believes the ordeal and toll of the trial led The King of Pop into a downward spiral that ended with his drug induced death on June 25, 2009.

Oxman, who also acted as the Jackson family lawyer for years, said: 'Michael never recovered from the 2005 trial. It was the beginning of the end for him.

'He was cleared and was innocent of every charge, but the damage was done mentally and physically.

'In a poll 80 percent of the American people believed he was guilty. It still shocks to me to this day.

'Whatever he did wherever he went a cloud hung over him.'

'Michael couldn't stop thinking about it; it tormented him everyday as he relived those court moments.

'The kid looking at him in the eye and saying you molested me. It destroyed him - his spirit, spark, outlook on life, friendships and heightened his dependency on drugs to escape those flashbacks.

'The mental and drug damages proved too much and within four years he was dead.

'And it breaks my heart still to this day that a case I lived ate and breathed that Michael was innocent from the start. He should never have even been on the stand.'

pierpinto1 · Mar 5, 2019

https://twitter.com/i/status/1102709006613786625

David Geffen and another small group of powerful Jews in the industry are the ones that have been pulling the string on the down low in this witch hunt against Michael. Truth will emerge, you cannot hide it for ever.

volitional · Mar 5, 2019

Looks like Rose McGowan has jumped on the MJ is guilty bandwagon. Telling us to accept our hero was a bad man.

Hollywood people are such a bunch of flakes.

Staffordshire Bullterrier · Mar 5, 2019

I actually got my first comment on Facebook from one of my Facebook "friends". I say "friends" because he's not a true friend of mine, but he's a okay guy.

I had posted how low the viewer rating of Leaving Neverland was. His reply was:

With all due respect for him, for all the bad ass music he made, if there are ten accusers, there will be at least one or two that definitely are true. I don't need to do the research because I wasn't there. But you have two sides and both sides want it to be their truth and that everyone agrees to it. It is however sad he isn't here to defend himself.

I replied back to him and told him to please not believe that there are ten accusers because Radar Online came with that just as they have also photoshopped evidence a few years ago. I told him the facts about Wade, how he did the complete turnaround. Also linked to two videos.

This just shows the reach of these tabloids. 10 accusers. Jesus.

ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona · Mar 5, 2019

Someone said that MJ want experinces childhood, recreated it and wanna felt like kid doesn't fit together with the wish to have sex with a kids.

I will add to this that MJ said what he loved the most about children are their innocence, purity their smiling faces and that he saw god in them.
Why he should took this away in abusing them and insulting god?

Makes no sense.

pierpinto1 · Mar 5, 2019

volitional said:
Looks like Rose McGowan has jumped on the MJ is guilty bandwagon. Telling us to accept our hero was a bad man.

Hollywood people are such a bunch of flakes.

Hollywood people have to abide by the rules and obey to their masters if they want to maintain their position, otherwise will get destroyed and vilified.

Carmour260 · Mar 5, 2019

MJRemixed;4245833 said:
UK FANS: do not watch the documentary on channel 4 tomorrow. Don’t add to the viewing figures which is what they want.

Also please keep streaming Money on YouTube via mjs official channel ONLY, and via Spotify and iTunes. We need this track in the top 20 at least. I’ve had it repeated a lot of times today. THIS is THE track that explains this whole mess.

To all of you who are overseas, keep the faith.

Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member

Proud Member