Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[SmoothGangsta]

In my opinion if you're informed enough then nothing they say in this doc should surprise you or change your opinion. We already know all their claims and that they were dismissed. If it's the emotional part and the explicit descriptions you're struggling with then I suggest taking some time away and maybe researching this stuff again. Don't feel bad for how it makes you feel because it is propaganda designed to make you feel that way. But don't let it change your opinion of mj because we know how much evidence there is against these two, mountains of it.

 

[john13th]

Yeah and people have said that the documentary is emotionally very manipulative, because reviewers said that it is done so that in the first half hour/ one hour you build trust and sympathy to these accusers and then when that phase is complete that is where it describes the molestation in a graphic way at the same time you can relate to these accusers. I have extremely big problem on how anyone can defend any perpetrator of any type of reason. They wanted to help his kids? What if he starts to molest them too? Why let him go off a second time for Arvizo if they knew he molested Chandler?
And what about Brett Barnes? If he molested Safechuck, he managed to refrain and stay abstinence from molesting him during the Dangerous Tour? How could that be possible?

I won't watch it at all, I knew it the documentary would fool people and let them forget it is extremely one-sided. It is like a jury hearing the case from the viewpoint of the prosecution only without any defense opening statement, cross-examination, defense witness and ending statement. Of course the jury would found the defendant guilty within a heartbeat and that is what is does this documentary. While W&S and the rest of the family are smiling with their ugly grin without shedding any tear in this documentary.

 

[Lightbringer]

I don't believe Wade. And sometimes even Safechuck seems to look at Wade like "dude, really!?!".

But can't find anything really wrong with Safechucks story.
Edit, found the post in the other thread. OK, he's a bit of a fibber.

OK. Can you please read the following again and then respond with HOW and WHY you see nothing wrong with his story, please. I am not attacking you. But you are the 3rd person in 2 hours that say they believe Safechuck. And I have yet to see any factual arguments AGAINST his story like presented below.

For myself, I was afraid of the "RING SCENE" were Safechuck hands were shaking according to Reed, but when I saw it and his hands did not shake, I found the whole scene very unconvincing actually! And remember Reed made an extra trip to Safechuck just too film that scene ALONE! Very weird.

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How about you reply to the arguments and messages people have written to you? Its impossible for anyone to communicate with you, if you are not responding to arguments the other way. We are trying to lay out the facts for you, and instead of following up, you ignore us and comes back with another message saying you have doubts about Safechuck. If you can respond to our arguments and factually back up your doubts, and debunk our theories, then its fine! But dont just throw doubt around without making a detailed argument, its not helpful!
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I will quote myself below, and then also the latest bogus argument from Safechuck that MJ threatened him they could get him for perjury, for LYING that MJ was innocent in 1993. It would mean MJ would go to court and say: "HEY JUDGE, Safechuck needs to go to jail, because he said I did not molest Jordan Chandler, and that not true, so he perjured himself" (meaning MJ would admit to molesting Jordan Chandler)

Someone saying it doesn’t really count as proof. I really hope someone can find a photo or video as proof - I’m a fan in need of a reason to not believe Safechuck because right now I think I do believe him

Alright, so you are now convinced Michael molested Safechuck:

OK. So you believe MJ called and begged Safechuck to testify in the trial even though he WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to testify in the trial. So first you believe that. And then you believe MJ phoned the mother to beg for her to convince Safechuck to testify in the trial he WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to testify in.

And then you believe Safechuck told his mother he had been abused, and also told her to not reveal it. So when Michael called she pretended all was fine.

And then Safechuck and his mother let the child molester get away with molesting Gavin Arvizo - and left Michael Jackson the SERIAL MOLESTER on the lose so could go on abusing other children and possible his own children!

And then you believe Safechuck telling his mother he had been ABUSED in 2005, but AT THE SAME TIME, not realizing IT WAS ABUSE until he received his first child (1st version) or when he saw Robson on TV (2nd version).

And then he hired a lawyer that was an expert on child abuse, focused mainly on child abuse in school. And had him file a civil lawsuit claiming "MJJ Productions were a school and should be held responsible for all children within it." And the lawyer used his "regular" school abuse cases as the platform for Safechucks civil suit.

Further note: Safechuck also claims he was concerned about pedophiliac urges in 2010, I am not sure how that fits in with everything else or not being aware he was abused.

Sounds extremely credible all of it, does it?

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Safechuck is not a reliable reporter of his own conversations.

That is the section of his claim where he says that MJ 'had the best lawyers and would get him for perjury in 1993.'

Great MJ lawyers they'd be, if they charged Safechuck with perjury for saying MJ was INNOCENT in 1993.

(So that 'threat makes no sense, and nor does anything else Safechuck writes in his complaints)

 

[elusive moonwalker]

For me an MJ fan should search in the case between 2013-2017 before watching LN, at least read the documents that the Estate published.
I'm convinced you are not a MJ fan.

Crazy vegas has a been a member here a longtime. I totally understand suspicion on newbies but crazy is no such thing


James company website showed the work for TII. Its been posted in previous threads and the estate brought it up. Safechuck has spun several stories and is a terrible actor. If they had gotten to the depo stage there would have been far more.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Dan Reed made a very good documentary, let's be honest. When you see that he changed the opinion of fans about MJ, when you see "fans" watching the doc. and they knows WR and JS lost the lawsuit in 2017, I'm convinced that the documentary is a well done project.

If you cant get ppl to believe you when you have done four hrs of one sided hatchet job.then you really are crap!

 

[1nn5]

Please stop with these comments.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and being a fan of someone does not mean you can't think for yourself anymore.

I'm not free to give my opinion about what he wrote ?

 

[analogue]

When it comes to something as serious as pedophilia, some people can let their emotions get the better of them and they don't stop to think about things rationally. Dan Reed knows this and that's why this ''documentary'' is very emotionally manipulative.

 

[1nn5]

If you cant get ppl to believe you when you have done four hrs of one sided hatchet job.then you really are crap!

Honestly, Dan Reed made a very very convincing documentary.
1-0 (in Media) for WR, JS and Dan Reed.

 

[CrazyVegasMJ]

Crazy vegas has a been a member here a longtime. I totally understand suspicion on newbies but crazy is no such thing

Thank you elusive...

Guys I am not a new fan.. I have adored MJ since I was 4yesrs old.. I’m 34 now.. I’m married with a wife and two beautiful children.. my son is 3, my daughter is 10———typing that right now made me burst into tears

If anyone needs “proof” of my how much I loved MJ, check out these things..

I made this We’ve Had Enough video:
https://youtu.be/nvjy6MQr6fE

This D.S. Video:
https://youtu.be/026_wXsJFWc

And I’ve even have been to the gates of Neverland in 2005 when my wife and I spent 3 days as one of the supporting fans at the trial, screaming for Michael everytime he’d show up or leave...

I am heartbroken!!

And I’m sorry if this is the wrong place to express that... but I don’t know any other fan like me in my own real life world..

Devastated

 

[L.T.D]

I really dont see how you get this far as a fan, through the 2005 trial and stuff and then you're so easily convinced by a 4 hour documentary.

So you live through the Living with Michael Jackson documentary, all of the other negative documentaries on Michael at that time and the stuff in the media, the whole trial and the coverage of the trial......and still believe in Michael....

Then you watch this and it instantly changes your mind? I dont get that logic, if there was ever a time to turn against him it was 2003.

I think like people said, if you're doubting his innocence you need to go and have a little break from this and then come back with a fresh mind. I'm extremely burned out from it all myself, my brain is fried.

 

[analogue]

Emotional manipulation is NOT evidence

 

[john13th]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sv"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Safechuck says that Michael Jackson cut contact with him after puberty, but it turns out that he was present in the HIStory teaser shooting when he was already a teenager. Facts don&#39;t lie, people do. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@andjustice4some</a> <a href="https://t.co/RjJKf2l2cg">pic.twitter.com/RjJKf2l2cg</a></p>&mdash; Paola Belen (@Paola_Beleny) <a href="https://twitter.com/Paola_Beleny/status/1102366302986035206?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4 mars 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Cinnamon234]

I’m sorry everyone....so sorry

Don't apologize for how you feel. Sorry if I was rude to you in my previous post. I should have been more understanding.

This is a hard time to be an MJ fan.

Maybe stepping away from this case and all things MJ for a bit will do you some good.

 

[DDam]

I was reading an article about Johnny Depp suing Amber Heard for defamation. I ended up on some article talking about how he hired a PR company specialising in crisis management for high-net-worth individuals and companies. Wonder if the Estate has/will hire people/firm like that.

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/johnny-depp-interview-2018

Evans and Rolle have been the point men in regard to today’s logistics. They work for a London-based company called Hawthorn, a public-relations firm that, among other things, specialises in dealing with crisis management for companies and high-net-worth individuals.

One of Hawthorn’s partner companies in the US has been consulting on the sale of The Weinstein Company, but it’s worth mentioning that Evans himself advised against such a move, despite the “ludicrous fee” offered. Firms such as Hawthorn don’t do minor skirmishes or call editors seeking corrections in the entertainment pages; they are a firm who exceptionally wealthy clients call if there’s no one else to call. They are the Harvey Keitels of this world: wolf men, fixers, public-image adjustment specialists, polymath corporate strategists.

Ben Elliot, nephew of the Duchess Of Cornwall, is a cofounder and partner of Hawthorn. He also set up Quintessentially, the concierge service for the wealthy elite – think heli-skiing off Everest’s Hillary Step or a balcony suite with a view of the Monaco Grand Prix. It was Elliot who made initial contact to ask whether GQ would be interested in meeting and talking to Depp.

This was Newsnight. Haven't watched this whole video but from what I watched seems they cut some out for the youtube vid.

[video=youtube;gE93pQftWOc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE93pQftWOc[/video]

I feel really uncomfortable writing this and don't really know what's allowed to be written here, but when Wade talks about one of his accusations he says it, performing oral sex on MJ, which is enough, we get the point, but then he decides to go further into unnecessary graphic details describing the comparison between the size of -you know what- "full adult size grown man p****" "my mouth - little 7 year olds mouth" like he's narrating some pedo erotica

 

[Scream]

It's incredibly manipulative and well made.
But it's also very one sided with a clear agenda and low on actual evidence. Just because the stories were incredibly graphic does not render them true and what was there really other than that? Some plastic rings from a gumball machine and some out of context faxes. You've been manipulated just like everyone else. Again, it's incredibly well made, so don't feel too bad, but look past the emotional music and graphic fairytales and what hard evidence was there? None.

 

[CrazyVegasMJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sv"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Safechuck says that Michael Jackson cut contact with him after puberty, but it turns out that he was present in the HIStory teaser shooting when he was already a teenager. Facts don&#39;t lie, people do. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@andjustice4some</a> <a href="https://t.co/RjJKf2l2cg">pic.twitter.com/RjJKf2l2cg</a></p>&mdash; Paola Belen (@Paola_Beleny) <a href="https://twitter.com/Paola_Beleny/status/1102366302986035206?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4 mars 2019</a></blockquote>
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In Part 2 it shows a few images from the History teaser of James with MJ and LMP.. I guess I just missed your point I’m sorry

 

[CrazyVegasMJ]

Let’s be honest everyone, yea there isn’t physical evidence but it’s so extremely rare to have a picture or video of this happening because it’s usually done behind closed doors with only two people.. none of us were there but I guess even during the trial I had just convinced myself that it must have been because of a scheme to get money and maybe it truly was idk still.. but I just wanted it to go away as a fan and was so happy to support him to my friends and family..it was almost like just fun for me.. but now I don’t think I’ll ever be able to again and I’m just hurting

 

[mthalen]

OK. Can you please read the following again and then respond with HOW and WHY you see nothing wrong with his story, please. I am not attacking you. But you are the 3rd person in 2 hours that say they believe Safechuck. And I have yet to see any factual arguments AGAINST his story like presented below.
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Does anyone have proof of Safechuck doing promotin for This is It? Did a Google search for dates in 2009, but couldn't find anything.


As far as the Safechuck reliability:
I don't know if MJ called Safechuck or not. I don't find it too far fetched (even though his lawyers say he was not allowed to).
What IS strange is that he told his mom and then they both let MJ away with it.
And indeed: telling his mom about the abuse, but later claiming he didn't know it was abuse is dodgy.
About being scared for pedo urges in 2010: I assume by then he knew it is not normal for a grownup to fall in love with a child.


So yeah, his statements are inconsistent, but I think they're more believable (or less unbelievable than Wades ridiculous stories).
Not to say I believe Safechuck necessarily, but....

 

[DDam]

There's a good reason that Reed included no alternative points of view, no J family, No lawyers setting out the analysis of the financial claims. As someone has said elsewhere, if you go to watch a trial and see the Prosecution evidence first, you will always think that the defence has no case ...until you hear the defence.

Yes and there is a studio engineer, Brad Sundburg, who said one of the accusers claims an incident of abuse happened in a studio where he (Brad) was present. Brad disputes this and states no makers of the documentary bothered to check with him or any of the studio team from that era.

It's in a post on this page, you'll have to scroll down to the post that has the photo of him and mj in the studio, because it won't let me copy and paste, duno why.

https://m.facebook.com/inthestudiowithmj/

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Let’s be honest everyone, yea there isn’t physical evidence but it’s so extremely rare to have a picture or video of this happening because it’s usually done behind closed doors with only two people.. none of us were there but I guess even during the trial I had just convinced myself that it must have been because of a scheme to get money and maybe it truly was idk still.. but I just wanted it to go away as a fan and was so happy to support him to my friends and family..it was almost like just fun for me.. but now I don’t think I’ll ever be able to again and I’m just hurting

It definitely would be a good idea to read up on all you really need to know about these two. If you go into that "documentary" without the knowledge of research on these two guys I'm sure it can be a lot more convincing.

 

[mthalen]

I'm not free to give my opinion about what he wrote ?

Sure, if you want to look silly and claim people that are members since 2011 and fans for 30+ years are "not fans" because they have a different opinion, then go right ahead.

 

[Lightbringer]

I forgot one more point to consider for the Safechuck believers.

In Victor Gutierrez fiction book titled "Michael Jackson was my lover", that was based on Jordan Chandlers secret diarys - the problem was that Jordan Chandler never had a diary. (and the Chandlers said the book was rubbish) so we know the ENTIRE BOOK IS MAN & BOY LOVE FANTASY by the PRO-NAMBLA Gutierrez. Jackson sued Gutierrez for slander and won a 2.7$ in damages, and Gutierrez fled to Chile without paying a dime.

In the book Gutierrez writes about a scene where Michael Jackson marries Jordan Chandler and gives him some kind of medallion as man/boy marriage token!
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Now consider now that Safechuck is claiming to have married Michael Jackson and been given the same kind of jewelry, pretty much copied from Gutierrez book.

Also consider Wade Robson was caught visiting MJFacts and other sites with info about MJs accusers and emailing the adresses to himself.
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With that in mind?

Do you think Safechuck IN FACT just happened to marry Michael Jackson and receive jewelry from Jackson? And that Gutierrez in his book years later, just HAPPENED TO GUESS THAT SCENARIO?

Or do you think Safechuck/Robson copied the wedding/jewelry thing from Gutierrez made up book to create a false story?

Which scenario is more likely?

 

[Paris78]

Article concerning german radio stations:

Radio stations are discussing whether they want to play their songs after the allegations of abuse against Michael Jackson, which are being rewritten in the documentary "Leaving Neverland" - a complex ethical decision: On the one hand, the allegations in the documentary seem overwhelming, on the other hand, Jackson was once in court acquitted. The question of whether and to what extent the work of an artist can be detached from his person also plays a role here.
Recently, the Canadian media company had announced Cogeco, in its 23 radio stations until further notice no Jackson songs to play more, the Dutch broadcaster NH Radio had on Tuesday Jackson songs initially banned from the program. German channels urge restraint in Germany many Sender, however, to restraint: The Westdeutscher Rundfunk (WDR) told SPIEGEL-request, currently planning no deletions of Michael Jackson songs from the program. Rather, it is important to wait and see whether the allegations described in the documentation will lead to a new legal assessment. "When making such decisions you should always consider the individual case and ask the question whether the artistic work must be reevaluated by justiciable processes," said a spokeswoman. The transmitter argues with it similar to the Norwegian radio NRK, which had announced on Monday, First, to renounce Jackson songs, but then retracted the decision: "The decision was wrong, we have to distinguish between art and artists," said Broadcasting Director Thor Gjermund Eriksen. One did not want at any time to be over guilt or innocence of the King of Pop.
Antenne Bayern clarified on SPIEGEL's request that the songs of Michael Jackson are first and foremost art "that our listeners love". "Consequently, museums should also have the works of Paul Gauguinabhängen, who married a 13-year-old," said program director Ina Tenz. She also said, "Playing Michael Jackson in the program does not mean we can tolerate child molestation." A boycott at the moment is indeed effective in the press, but does not contribute to the prevention or prosecution of child abuse. Many stations also warned against gunfire. "It is still too early to make a final assessment," said about the North German Broadcasting Corporation (NDR). And the Südwestrundfunk explained: "According to the current state of knowledge, the SWR sees so far not prompted to take titles of Michael Jackson from the program."
Radio NRW states everyone is presumed innocent until the allegations are confirmed....

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Have to say.. great interviewing by <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@piersmorgan</a> of <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@danreed1000</a> about the Michael Jackson documentary <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <br><br>I recommend watching this before the documentary... the directors' behaviour and responses in the interview are quite awkward...<a href="https://t.co/h9U4OPUQaL">https://t.co/h9U4OPUQaL</a></p>&mdash; Paul Sagoo (@PaulSagoo) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaulSagoo/status/1103354271079284740?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Flyers and leaflets have been handed out all over London and left in stations! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJIsInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJIsInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/justice4mj?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#justice4mj</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TruthWins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TruthWins</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mifam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mifam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottC4?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#boycottC4</a> <a href="https://t.co/NjwSm5gK0a">pic.twitter.com/NjwSm5gK0a</a></p>&mdash; Mayah (@MayahCamara) <a href="https://twitter.com/MayahCamara/status/1103368592106704898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;When you are the most scrutinised person in the world... they would have found something. <br><br>&quot;They found nothing.&quot;<br><br>Michael Jackson's nephew Taj Jackson defends his uncle from abuse allegations.<br>More: <a href="https://t.co/Hlf17Lfe8R">https://t.co/Hlf17Lfe8R</a><a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/newsnight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#newsnight</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/pVRnflJL3F">pic.twitter.com/pVRnflJL3F</a></p>&mdash; BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1103271540014096385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How in the world were they allowed to use video footage of the kids? Is this legal? How dare they!!! I feel literally sick to my stomach and have tears in my eyes. Which world do we live in? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJinnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/wJiSbjCAqc">https://t.co/wJiSbjCAqc</a></p>&mdash; Thayana Sco Jackson (@ThayanaScoJaxn) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThayanaScoJaxn/status/1103240906981834757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[BadTour87]

Watching at the moment. The way everyone is smiling and giggling at the memories of meeting Michael is not something an abuse victim or a supportive parent would do.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t believe the lies, seek the truth! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJIsInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJIsInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/justice4mj?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#justice4mj</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottc4?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#boycottc4</a> <a href="https://t.co/MUJcIS65ng">pic.twitter.com/MUJcIS65ng</a></p>&mdash; Pez Jax (@Pezjax) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1103272293424381957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don't believe 'MY truth' automatically means 'THE truth'.<br>We have all seen in recent times the dangers of making that assumption before due process &amp; proper investigation. <br>Jussie Smollet being a perfect example... <a href="https://t.co/JeE35CI9Pf">https://t.co/JeE35CI9Pf</a></p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1103257306656096256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We’re outside Channel 4’s London HQ, where Michael Jackson’s fans have gathered to protest against <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> ahead of the documentary airing tonight. <a href="https://t.co/QwQ8so7YTO">pic.twitter.com/QwQ8so7YTO</a></p>&mdash; NME (@NME) <a href="https://twitter.com/NME/status/1103262933365198848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Or just putting to you the obvious questions any journalist should ask about your documentary, which is based on the testimony of accusers who said (under oath) the complete opposite before Jackson died, and now stand to make millions from his estate by changing their stories. <a href="https://t.co/VhEODhjqVt">https://t.co/VhEODhjqVt</a></p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1103244850000998400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I worked in the house at Neverland when the Safechucks were there, in the early 90’s. They had no problem taking advantage of Mr.Jackson’s generosity back then. Michael was never on property when they came. He chose not to be.</p>&mdash; Judi Brisse (@JudiBrisse) <a href="https://twitter.com/JudiBrisse/status/1103083756624191508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Let those goddamn radio stations do some actual fact checking then. Why condemn a artist and the music when the "doc" is one sided as can be, presents no evidence at all and no proof. While we DO have proof of the history of lies by these two. Lies, several different versions of stories and utter gibberish.

It's truly unbelievable what is happening right now and heartbreaking as **** to see some fans actually starting to believe these guys. These guys, really? Mission accomplished for these three rotten, no good, not deserving of life mother****ers and while I usually am for peace, I wish the absolute worst you can imagine on these three.

Good ****ing lord.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Let’s be honest everyone, yea there isn’t physical evidence but it’s so extremely rare to have a picture or video of this happening because it’s usually done behind closed doors with only two people.. none of us were there but I guess even during the trial I had just convinced myself that it must have been because of a scheme to get money and maybe it truly was idk still.. but I just wanted it to go away as a fan and was so happy to support him to my friends and family..it was almost like just fun for me.. but now I don’t think I’ll ever be able to again and I’m just hurting

Are you just going to keep ignoring the people trying to show you the facts? It's rather frustrating.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Everyone who have doubts should really watch this very powerful Video Review from a sexual abused victim:

 

[Thriller_MJ]

I think it's time for me to throw in the towel. There is no coming back from this. I won't be investing in MJ anymore, it's been a fun ride and i've met some lovely people who are still friends but nah this is the end now. The Estate have handled it shambolically there has been very little defence (aside from fans) from people who knew Michael. Sorry but it's over.