Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

We can't expect celebs to be 'smarter' than the general public just because they are famous.. they are people that don't bother to do the research.. That said, it is VERY irresponsible to publicly defend 2 accusers without proof against a man that has been found Not guilty in the court of law and is no longer here. They have a platform that influences millions!

I can't express enough how stupid it is...

I don't get it either.

Just the fact this doc is defaming a dead icon, should already be something that they see as foul and unfair. And to trash MJ and his legacy for these 2 unchallenged guys, is just insane.
I think we make a mistake when we think these people study the cases they are advocating at least a bit, when in reality it becomes more and more clear that most of them are just mindlessly siding with "causes" appearing in news/social media. Like "having done their duties" by tweeting them (especially as this kind of immediate reaction almost became a social expectation), without giving much attention to them actually.

Which is a sad reality I think, as it's the hardest thing to convince someone with facts who is basically indifferent and don't really care about the case anyway.
 
He's been attacking McCain while he's dead and now he has this petition up for Anti-Defamation law. As much I can't stand that pompous defaming jack@$$ and for ruining the country. I'll sign for Michael's sake.
Trump only cares about the libel laws as they pertain to him. But I will sign the petition about defaming the dead.
 
He's been attacking McCain while he's dead and now he has this petition up for Anti-Defamation law. As much I can't stand that pompous defaming jack@$$ and for ruining the country. I'll sign for Michael's sake.

I agree.
 
And it flopped worldwide like I knew it would.
The general public is tired and done with them trashing Michael. They trashed him damn near to an early grave and it’s almost like berating a dead horse at this point.
Maybe the loss and backlash that they received (despite their little spins) will make them realize trashing Michael is not as profitable anymore.
Despite how they feel, there is a very large audience that would love to see Michael and his talent being praised.
 
I THOUGHT HE WAS GUILTY.... I was wrong 2
Michael Jackson vs The Trolls

 
Themidwestcowboy;4250776 said:
what did jordan peele say?

The bold is what Peele said. I dunno, but doesn't exactly sound too positive to me. But it confuses me, especially the last part. Can't figure out if he is leaning towards the accusers or staying neutral and just means that the topic sure is true horror.


Without giving away the entire plot, this movie's central theme is duality and the danger that lies therein.

"Michael Jackson is probably the patron saint of duality," said Peele. "The movie starts in the '80s — the duality with which I experienced him [Jackson] in that time was both as the guy that presented this outward positivity, but also the "Thriller" video which scared me to death."

Jackson's duality obviously extends beyond the horror-inspired "Thriller" video, too.

As Mashable's Alexis Nedd put it, the narrative surrounding Jackson's image has been one where "he both did and did not do what he was accused of, a kind of Schrödinger's abuser who could be loved and suspected simultaneously."

"The irony and relevance is not lost on me now that the discussion has evolved to one of true horror," Peele added.

https://in.mashable.com/entertainme...xplains-the-hidden-meaning-of-michael-jackson
 
Youtube keeps blocking the Joy Robson 2011 podcast interview and also the SAT1 AYoutube keep
Youtube keeps blocking the Joy Robson 2011 Interview and also Sat1 AKTE 2017 Jacobshagen debunked video.

How is this possible? It gets blocked right away, no matter which title I use for the uploaded video.

I am wondering why the official Sat1 AKTE Youtube channel didnt upload the video: https://www.youtube.com/user/akteoffiziell/videos

Maybe it helps to mirror the video? But then the subtitles are quiet hard to read ;)

How can we make Joy Robson stays available on youtube?

Any ideas?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Dan Reed <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@danreed1000</a> the ugly director of Leaving Neverland a real life stalker? He just started literally following Michael Jackson&#39;s child on twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/ParisJackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ParisJackson</a> and I think he&#39;s obsessed with MJ in a very sick and dangerous way. Sick guy!</p>&mdash; Keya Morgan (@KeyaMorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeyaMorgan/status/1108000182988349441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Youtube keeps blocking the Joy Robson 2011 podcast interview and also the SAT1 AYoutube keep
Youtube keeps blocking the Joy Robson 2011 Interview and also Sat1 AKTE 2017 Jacobshagen debunked video.

How is this possible? It gets blocked right away, no matter which title I use for the uploaded video.

I am wondering why the official Sat1 AKTE Youtube channel didnt upload the video: https://www.youtube.com/user/akteoffiziell/videos

Maybe it helps to mirror the video? But then the subtitles are quiet hard to read ;)

How can we make Joy Robson stays available on youtube?

Any ideas?

Screenshot-2019-03-20-at-22-57-29.png

What does she say in the podcast?
 
those podcasts have to be elsewhere.. Maybe since that Wade Robson interiew I see in the pics was on Vemo, maybe the podcasts are to? It has to be traceable..

I have no idea what's in it though... anyone?
 
Guys, I know, its weird and bizarre, but we have to face this again.

If you dont want to watch this, do not, but... now, after childpornfantasy fakumentary LN is a worldwide thing, its time to recap what we know about those behind this conspiracy, and lets start with the MJ.facts page.

We know that people or a person behind this page is connected and cooperated with Wade and Reed on LN.

Thats for sure.

Now, lets compare their "documentaries" to another "documentary."

They, the fakefacts page, reeased in 2005 - Michael Jackson's Pedophile World (FULL Doc) - 460+K views
Then they had - Michael Jackson: What Really Happened (FULL Doc) (2007) - 850K views
Or the video about - Michael Jackson slept with Brett Barnes 450+ times! - 71K views
and, of course, Michael Jackson's Boyfriends 1980 - 2005 with 56K views.

NOW they have Oprah interview (2019) with 404K views and a few new vids from various media people - Attorney Lisa Bloom Explains MJ Evil Cult Fan's Denials (2019)

and newly uploaded LaToya Jackson 1993-1994 vids about "facts" about Michael.

... and a video Michael Jackson paid Jordie Chandler, not an insurance company

Its time to recap and compare for now, and wait for the moment who is behind this and Faking Neverland!

They are sharing a youtube profile named - Steady Eddie.
In fact, its a sub-account for spreading more vids about - Michael Jackson's Boys - part 1-4 (every part is viewed at 50K), as well as Michael Jackson & The Boy He Paid Off - part 1-5 (every part is viewed from 100K to 250K)
 
Apparently Dan Reed wants to make a one-sided sequel to his documentary about the 2005 trial. He claims he's already touched base with the prosecution and others.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/leaving-neverland-director-michael-jackson-sequel/

“It isn’t often that you get the chance to make a positive change with a documentary film."

"The film I would really like to make following this one is the trial of Michael Jackson. I could only do that if the victim and his family participate," Reed explained to The Film Stage. "If Gavin Arvizo and his family would agree to participate, I would very much like to tell the story of that trial. I think it's fascinating and astonishing that Michael was acquitted."

Arvizo has previously avoided public attention and press inquiries. A long-time friend of Arvizo's told The Wrap in March, "He doesn't really want to talk about it right now. He just wants to become a man and have a family and a career and not have this be the standout portion of who he is."

Allegations against Jackson arose in Arvizo's case shortly after he was seen holding hands with Arvizo and talking about sharing a bed with children in a 2003 documentary titled Living with Michael Jackson. The pop singer was subsequently charged with several counts of molestation, attempted molestation, conspiracy, and more, but after 18 months, a jury found him not guilty of all counts. (It wasn't the first time Jackson faced similar charges — he was previously sued in 1993 by the family of another 13-year-old boy who claimed the singer molested him.)

Reed did caution that he's not interested in focusing on Michael Jackson stories for the rest of his career but said the trial and results in particular are worth pursuing in a future documentary. "The way that happened is an amazing story and one that should be told," the director explained.

Dan revealed he also has a number of interviews carried out with police and those who investigated the allegations against the ‘Bad’ singer that didn’t make the cut in ‘Finding Neverland’ because he felt it was more important to focus on the alleged victims.

He said: “I shot interviews with LAPD and Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Department who investigated. I had a great interview with the main prosecutor, the deputy DA from the 2005 trial.

“We hadn’t put those in because I had a strong feeling it needed to remain a claustrophobic story about two families.

“This was unseen and unheard and the first time Michael’s victims had really spoken out in any detail to the press about what happened.

“I thought that was an extraordinary new thing we have, and the other extraordinary thing we have is this sort of 360-degree insight into the family’s ordeal once the information about the abuse was disclosed. It becomes a drama…

“Four and 3/4 hours felt like a complete story and HBO agreed, and then it became a case of what do we take out and get it down to four hours, because we were all in agreement it shouldn’t be longer than four hours.”
 
DangerUs'91;4250803 said:
Apparently Dan Reed wants to make a one-sided sequel to his documentary about the 2005 trial. He claims he's already touched base with the prosecution and others.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/leaving-neverland-director-michael-jackson-sequel/

&#8220;It isn&#8217;t often that you get the chance to make a positive change with a documentary film."

"The film I would really like to make following this one is the trial of Michael Jackson. I could only do that if the victim and his family participate," Reed explained to The Film Stage. "If Gavin Arvizo and his family would agree to participate, I would very much like to tell the story of that trial. I think it's fascinating and astonishing that Michael was acquitted."

Arvizo has previously avoided public attention and press inquiries. A long-time friend of Arvizo's told The Wrap in March, "He doesn't really want to talk about it right now. He just wants to become a man and have a family and a career and not have this be the standout portion of who he is."

Allegations against Jackson arose in Arvizo's case shortly after he was seen holding hands with Arvizo and talking about sharing a bed with children in a 2003 documentary titled Living with Michael Jackson. The pop singer was subsequently charged with several counts of molestation, attempted molestation, conspiracy, and more, but after 18 months, a jury found him not guilty of all counts. (It wasn't the first time Jackson faced similar charges &#8212; he was previously sued in 1993 by the family of another 13-year-old boy who claimed the singer molested him.)

Reed did caution that he's not interested in focusing on Michael Jackson stories for the rest of his career but said the trial and results in particular are worth pursuing in a future documentary. "The way that happened is an amazing story and one that should be told," the director explained.

Dan revealed he also has a number of interviews carried out with police and those who investigated the allegations against the &#8216;Bad&#8217; singer that didn&#8217;t make the cut in &#8216;Finding Neverland&#8217; because he felt it was more important to focus on the alleged victims.

He said: &#8220;I shot interviews with LAPD and Santa Barbara Sheriff&#8217;s Department who investigated. I had a great interview with the main prosecutor, the deputy DA from the 2005 trial.

&#8220;We hadn&#8217;t put those in because I had a strong feeling it needed to remain a claustrophobic story about two families.

&#8220;This was unseen and unheard and the first time Michael&#8217;s victims had really spoken out in any detail to the press about what happened.

&#8220;I thought that was an extraordinary new thing we have, and the other extraordinary thing we have is this sort of 360-degree insight into the family&#8217;s ordeal once the information about the abuse was disclosed. It becomes a drama&#8230;

&#8220;Four and 3/4 hours felt like a complete story and HBO agreed, and then it became a case of what do we take out and get it down to four hours, because we were all in agreement it shouldn&#8217;t be longer than four hours.&#8221;

WHAT?! I don't wanna cuss, but that BASTARD! Somebody stop this fool!
 
WHAT?! I don't wanna cuss, but that BASTARD! Somebody stop this fool!

He really, really wants to destroy Michael Jackson. Can you just imagine what a one-sided documentary on the 2005 case would do? How it would only focus on the prosecution's angle, witnesses and testimony (all of which fell apart, but that won't be shown)?

Seriously - what is his beef with Jackson? This is almost...a vendetta, at this point.
 
He really, really wants to destroy Michael Jackson. Can you just imagine what a one-sided documentary on the 2005 case would do? How it would only focus on the prosecution's angle, witnesses and testimony (all of which fell apart, but that won't be shown)?

Seriously - what is his beef with Jackson? This is almost...a vendetta, at this point.

Oh, it's worse. It's a fatal attraction thing! I've said this a while ago, and I still stand by what I said. He's an undercover pedophile!

Whoever is emailing the Estate and following Taj on Twitter, inform them this, ASAP!
 
Youtube keeps blocking the Joy Robson 2011 podcast interview and also the SAT1 AYoutube keep
Youtube keeps blocking the Joy Robson 2011 Interview and also Sat1 AKTE 2017 Jacobshagen debunked video.

How is this possible? It gets blocked right away, no matter which title I use for the uploaded video.

I am wondering why the official Sat1 AKTE Youtube channel didnt upload the video: https://www.youtube.com/user/akteoffiziell/videos

Maybe it helps to mirror the video? But then the subtitles are quiet hard to read ;)

How can we make Joy Robson stays available on youtube?

Any ideas?

Screenshot-2019-03-20-at-22-57-29.png


people who have those probative VIDEOS and not able to upload them on YT, try DailyMotion or Facebook or any other uploader like Uloz.to
 
DangerUs'91;4250803 said:
Apparently Dan Reed wants to make a one-sided sequel to his documentary about the 2005 trial. He claims he's already touched base with the prosecution and others.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/leaving-neverland-director-michael-jackson-sequel/

“It isn’t often that you get the chance to make a positive change with a documentary film."

"The film I would really like to make following this one is the trial of Michael Jackson. I could only do that if the victim and his family participate," Reed explained to The Film Stage. "If Gavin Arvizo and his family would agree to participate, I would very much like to tell the story of that trial. I think it's fascinating and astonishing that Michael was acquitted."

Arvizo has previously avoided public attention and press inquiries. A long-time friend of Arvizo's told The Wrap in March, "He doesn't really want to talk about it right now. He just wants to become a man and have a family and a career and not have this be the standout portion of who he is."

Allegations against Jackson arose in Arvizo's case shortly after he was seen holding hands with Arvizo and talking about sharing a bed with children in a 2003 documentary titled Living with Michael Jackson. The pop singer was subsequently charged with several counts of molestation, attempted molestation, conspiracy, and more, but after 18 months, a jury found him not guilty of all counts. (It wasn't the first time Jackson faced similar charges — he was previously sued in 1993 by the family of another 13-year-old boy who claimed the singer molested him.)

Reed did caution that he's not interested in focusing on Michael Jackson stories for the rest of his career but said the trial and results in particular are worth pursuing in a future documentary. "The way that happened is an amazing story and one that should be told," the director explained.

Dan revealed he also has a number of interviews carried out with police and those who investigated the allegations against the ‘Bad’ singer that didn’t make the cut in ‘Finding Neverland’ because he felt it was more important to focus on the alleged victims.

He said: “I shot interviews with LAPD and Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Department who investigated. I had a great interview with the main prosecutor, the deputy DA from the 2005 trial.

“We hadn’t put those in because I had a strong feeling it needed to remain a claustrophobic story about two families.

“This was unseen and unheard and the first time Michael’s victims had really spoken out in any detail to the press about what happened.

“I thought that was an extraordinary new thing we have, and the other extraordinary thing we have is this sort of 360-degree insight into the family’s ordeal once the information about the abuse was disclosed. It becomes a drama…

“Four and 3/4 hours felt like a complete story and HBO agreed, and then it became a case of what do we take out and get it down to four hours, because we were all in agreement it shouldn’t be longer than four hours.”

Quoting this so people see it - if anyone know's how to get this article under Taj's radar, please do so!
 
For any WWE or pro wrestling fans check out the following video with Razorfist debating Leaving Neverland with Vince Russo and other wrestlers. Razorfist did amazing as usual.

Nice to see practically all of the comments in favour of MJ also.

https://youtu.be/xKgY12rThOk

You mean I have ANOTHER reason to dislike Vince Russo? XD

Remember I talked about the forum called ResetEra and how i was temporarily banned? Because I stood up for MJ and posted facts. The reason of the ban was inflammatory dismissal of sexual abuse allegations. I was supposed to be unbanned today. They made it a permanent ban.

Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it. I've always been a decent poster. Always interesting discussions about gaming, video and audio and now this. Freedom of speech eh?

Wow, **** that place. Remind me to never sign up there.

And WTF @ Reed wanting to make a documentary about the trial. So much for things not being about Michael!
 
I don't know what to say anymore... he finds it astonishing that Michael was acquitted? I find it astonishing that a piece of ****ing shit like Reed is allowed to exist in this world. If he had done actual research he'd see it was perfectly normal that he was acquitted. I guess in his opinion constant changing stories are credible.

Seriously, this ****ing asshole needs to be stopped asap. I have no words how this continues to go on and so very little (nothing) is happening against him. He should be sued to the high heavens for this, Jesus christ man. Something really needs to be done about this guy...un****ingbelieveable. **** America for not having a law against it. This total destroying of a dead person should be a offense.

I've tweeted Taj!
 
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Reed is f***ing evil! there is no other word that can explain what he is.. You don't have to believe in a higher power to know what evil smells like..
 
DangerUs'91;4250803 said:
Apparently Dan Reed wants to make a one-sided sequel to his documentary about the 2005 trial. He claims he's already touched base with the prosecution and others.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/leaving-neverland-director-michael-jackson-sequel/

“It isn’t often that you get the chance to make a positive change with a documentary film."

"The film I would really like to make following this one is the trial of Michael Jackson. I could only do that if the victim and his family participate," Reed explained to The Film Stage. "If Gavin Arvizo and his family would agree to participate, I would very much like to tell the story of that trial. I think it's fascinating and astonishing that Michael was acquitted."

Arvizo has previously avoided public attention and press inquiries. A long-time friend of Arvizo's told The Wrap in March, "He doesn't really want to talk about it right now. He just wants to become a man and have a family and a career and not have this be the standout portion of who he is."

Allegations against Jackson arose in Arvizo's case shortly after he was seen holding hands with Arvizo and talking about sharing a bed with children in a 2003 documentary titled Living with Michael Jackson. The pop singer was subsequently charged with several counts of molestation, attempted molestation, conspiracy, and more, but after 18 months, a jury found him not guilty of all counts. (It wasn't the first time Jackson faced similar charges — he was previously sued in 1993 by the family of another 13-year-old boy who claimed the singer molested him.)

Reed did caution that he's not interested in focusing on Michael Jackson stories for the rest of his career but said the trial and results in particular are worth pursuing in a future documentary. "The way that happened is an amazing story and one that should be told," the director explained.

Dan revealed he also has a number of interviews carried out with police and those who investigated the allegations against the ‘Bad’ singer that didn’t make the cut in ‘Finding Neverland’ because he felt it was more important to focus on the alleged victims.

He said: “I shot interviews with LAPD and Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Department who investigated. I had a great interview with the main prosecutor, the deputy DA from the 2005 trial.

“We hadn’t put those in because I had a strong feeling it needed to remain a claustrophobic story about two families.

“This was unseen and unheard and the first time Michael’s victims had really spoken out in any detail to the press about what happened.

“I thought that was an extraordinary new thing we have, and the other extraordinary thing we have is this sort of 360-degree insight into the family’s ordeal once the information about the abuse was disclosed. It becomes a drama…

“Four and 3/4 hours felt like a complete story and HBO agreed, and then it became a case of what do we take out and get it down to four hours, because we were all in agreement it shouldn’t be longer than four hours.”
He will reveal himself to be an even more bigger fool. Many of the press were their for that trial and saw that was BS other than the media people who are just bent on bias towards MJ. But those in the media at that time even mind changed.
 
The backlash from LN probably just made him even more determined to ruin Michael. What a disgusting scumbag. Hopefully Gavin has the common sense to steer clear of this psycho.
 
Just gonna say it...

I hope something happens to that unhuman piece of trash. Sorry, not sorry... one... bit. What a horrible guy.

Times like this I'm done with everything, done with the world, with it all. This ****tard IS the one that should be investigated, and not the other way around. Goddamn this world.
 
Watch Dan Reed try to convince the general public that he tried to stuff Janet Arvizo in a hot air balloon to Brazil.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4250816 said:
I don't know what to say anymore... he finds it astonishing that Michael was acquitted? I find it astonishing that a piece of ****ing shit like Reed is allowed to exist in this world. If he had done actual research he'd see it was perfectly normal that he was acquitted. I guess in his opinion constant changing stories are credible.

Seriously, this ****ing asshole needs to be stopped asap. I have no words how this continues to go on and so very little (nothing) is happening against him. He should be sued to the high heavens for this, Jesus christ man. Something really needs to be done about this guy...un****ingbelieveable. **** America for not having a law against it. This total destroying of a dead person should be a offense.

I've tweeted Taj!

Dan Reed is trying scare tactics. I don’t believe him. Reed has nothing. These are tabloidish desperation tactics.
 
somewhereinthedark;4250825 said:
Dan Reed is trying scare tactics. I don&#8217;t believe him. Reed has nothing. These are tabloidish desperation tactics.

I hope you're right, but we have to keep an eye out just in case. Someone should inform the Estate, Taj and the Jacksons about this, just for caution.

In the meantime, it's great that "Thriller" got 1.3 billion plays on Spotify, even passing Taylor Swift, barely! The magic continues!
 
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