Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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Danny Wu is having to remove songs from Square One! How did LN get to use them? Does anyone know about Copyright?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ll just remove the 2 history songs whatever lol</p>&mdash; Danny Wu (@dannywuyue) <a href="https://twitter.com/dannywuyue/status/1181368071270780929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Danny Wu is having to remove songs from Square One! How did LN get to use them? Does anyone know about Copyright?
Sony are notorious for claiming videos on YouTube. So much so that it's a meme. The system on YouTube is abysmal. It doesn't even have to be an actual clip of the song, people can get copyright claimed just for singing a few words or humming the tune. It's nuts.
 

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Sony are notorious for claiming videos on YouTube. So much so that it's a meme. The system on YouTube is abysmal. It doesn't even have to be an actual clip of the song, people can get copyright claimed just for singing a few words or humming the tune. It's nuts.

That copyright thing has been a pain in the @$$ for 10 years. They weren't a problem when Michael was still around, but when he's gone, they became a problem.
 

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Another example of 'last resort' responses from people who have not followed any of the court cases, this from Romesh Ranganathan, a UK 'comedian' whose production company at one point this year was advertising for fans to take part in a filmed discussion about the MJ allegations. Fans sensibly declined to participate, and this guy is definitely showing his 'beliefs' in his latest interview.

The last resort of people like this seems to be 'You weren't there'. (To which a reasonable answer would be 'Neither were Robson and Safechuck, in the light of their / their families statements respectively about the 'Grand Canyon Trip' and the NL rail station.) I don't understand how media folk can completely overlook every piece of court testimony since 1993, right up to Robson's mother's sworn testimony in Dec 2016, and still say 'but you weren't there'. As I've said before, criminals from murderers down to common thieves appear in court every day to face evidence despite no-one else 'being there' at the scene of the crime. Why does evidence (including that provided under oath by the accuser and their families) not count in MJ's case? It's ridiculous! (Need a John Zeigler podcast button 'You cannot be serious!')

British stand-up comedian Romesh Ranganathan recently spoke about his The Cynic&#8217;s Mixtape tour with The List and touched on everything from his children, his veganism, and the environment. He also addressed his thoughts on the allegations brought forth against Michael Jackson by Wade Robson and James Safechuck in the documentary Leaving Neverland.

According to Ranganathan, his bit about Jackson has drawn criticism from some of the late pop star&#8217;s defenders, but it doesn&#8217;t appear to faze him. In one instance, he reportedly spoke to some of the King of Pop&#8217;s supporters that stayed behind after one of his shows to discuss their concerns.

&#8220;They felt he&#8217;s being unfairly persecuted after his death, and that it&#8217;s an example of another black man being tarnished when we don&#8217;t know the facts. And this is true but they don&#8217;t know the facts either, and there&#8217;s a difference between thinking definitely that he&#8217;s innocent and just wanting him to be innocent. I can&#8217;t say that speaking to them has softened what I say about Michael Jackson but it did make me think more about it.&#8221;


The belief that Jackson is unfairly persecuted for his race is common among his supporters. According to the Jackson estate&#8217;s lawyers, John Branca and Howard Weitzman, the media has been out to punish Jackson for his fame for years. In particular, Branca claims that the media prejudice against the King of Pop has been around since the mid-&#8217;80s, and says that there is a &#8220;large segment&#8221; of the media that doesn&#8217;t care whether Jackson is innocent or guilty.

&#8220;In the end, I really believe it&#8217;s a form of racism,&#8221; he said.

Ranganathan isn&#8217;t the only comedian to speak out about the allegations against Jackson. Dave Chappelle used his Sticks & Stones special to suggest that Robson and Safechuck are lying. Meanwhile, Godfrey also said that he doesn&#8217;t believe the sexual abuse accusations but explained that he believes Jackson ultimately brought the accusations against himself by surrounding himself with children.

https://www.inquisitr.com/5667960/michael-jackson-romesh-ranganathan/
 

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till this day i dont understand why omar batti is never a topic in this whole allegations bullshit. omar kind of grew up with mj. he is similar age as all his moneygrabbing accusers and i am sure he was often around at the same time.

why does the press completely ignore him? i hope and expect him to speak out in taj's docu.
 

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Another example of 'last resort' responses from people who have not followed any of the court cases, this from Romesh Ranganathan, a UK 'comedian' whose production company at one point this year was advertising for fans to take part in a filmed discussion about the MJ allegations. Fans sensibly declined to participate, and this guy is definitely showing his 'beliefs' in his latest interview.

The last resort of people like this seems to be 'You weren't there'. (To which a reasonable answer would be 'Neither were Robson and Safechuck, in the light of their / their families statements respectively about the 'Grand Canyon Trip' and the NL rail station.) I don't understand how media folk can completely overlook every piece of court testimony since 1993, right up to Robson's mother's sworn testimony in Dec 2016, and still say 'but you weren't there'. As I've said before, criminals from murderers down to common thieves appear in court every day to face evidence despite no-one else 'being there' at the scene of the crime. Why does evidence (including that provided under oath by the accuser and their families) not count in MJ's case? It's ridiculous! (Need a John Zeigler podcast button 'You cannot be serious!')



https://www.inquisitr.com/5667960/michael-jackson-romesh-ranganathan/
well said. Also that comment "you were not there" is stupid to say to someone who believes MJ is innocent. YOU CAN NOT PROVE A NEGATIVE. I could say to that guy, "I think you are a rapist" and I am sure he and his supporters would say "no he is not". Well, someone could tell them "they were not there"; however, if they find out I have a history of lying and all the places I said he abused me does not exist and the times I claim, he was out of the country, that will show HE WAS INNOCENT and I falsely accused him. If someone think MJ's is guilty, that apply to those kind of people. They think something happen. PROVE IT!! They can not prove it and worst the accusers to be accusers are the ones LYING, changing stories, people admitting to lying on MJ for money, lying timelines, and just pure not making sense in their actions in what they are accusing, etc. I can go on.
 

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till this day i dont understand why omar batti is never a topic in this whole allegations bullshit. omar kind of grew up with mj. he is similar age as all his moneygrabbing accusers and i am sure he was often around at the same time.

why does the press completely ignore him? i hope and expect him to speak out in taj's docu.
Good point. He should be included in the discussions. If MJ truly was guilty you'd think he would target Mac, Ryan White, Omar Batti, Brett Barnes, Aaron Carter etc. Haters like to use mental gymnastics to ignore that. Like they pointed out in Square one, real pedophiles have 10s -100s of victims. Tom Sneddon went looking for "real victims" and found none.
 

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myosotis;4271237 said:
I agree. This is a very interesting YT vid by someone who has experienced all of the negative info, and decided to look into MJ after he died. Don't be put off by the name of the YT channel. This is a very good video and deserves attention. It's long but worthwhile. I think it's a good video to refer 'doubters' to. ('Haters' are probably beyond help!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2837&v=VpR-QboDfyg

[video=youtube;VpR-QboDfyg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2837&v=VpR-QboDfyg[/video]

This is a great find, thanks! I watched it last night and think it deserves each and every one of those 47 minutes of our time. Highly recommended! :cool:

In fact, I think it deserves its own thread, because it discusses the issue from a more general angle than everything else that&#8217;s out there.
 

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https://turningthetableonthechandlerallegations.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/chandler-timeline/

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Just a complete sado just ignore them they have nothing better to do, how can there be DNA evidence, just stupid
They looked for DNA even in MJ's clothes hampers and they found nothing. That person is a LIAR.
 

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So Jordie reconciled with his mother? When? I thought he had emancipated himself from them? Also, in Square One, Josie said Jordie told her he was used by his parents. I guess he’s since forgiven her? June aged well.
 

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till this day i dont understand why omar batti is never a topic in this whole allegations bullshit. omar kind of grew up with mj. he is similar age as all his moneygrabbing accusers and i am sure he was often around at the same time.

why does the press completely ignore him? i hope and expect him to speak out in taj's docu.
I think he's trying to distance himself from Michael. Apparently he's had two MJ tattoos removed. That's not something you do unless you really want them gone, because it hurts like a bitch.
 

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MJPoetryFan;4271323 said:
So Jordie reconciled with his mother? When? I thought he had emancipated himself from them? Also, in Square One, Josie said Jordie told her he was used by his parents. I guess he&#8217;s since forgiven her? June aged well.
About 3 weeks after the 05 trial ended there was a serious fight with his father and he got a restraining order and then moved back to Carlifonia. Last known adress was Marina Del Rey. https://turningthetableonthechandlerallegations.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/chandler-timeline/
https://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-unpublished/2006/a0422-05-opn.html

Paula, who did a lot of research was not sure if the emancipation was granted even though he filed in 95 then living with his stepmother Nathalie after she separated from Evan. And then I guess after college he must have moved in with Evan for a while again.
 

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Omar Bhatti will be another Wade Robson mark my word. He never ever defended MJ publicly because this is a card he is keeping for the rainy days. He will say he did not support Wade and James because of his closeness to MJ's kids. Actually when a fan made public a private message he sent her afte4 LN saying that his experinece with MJ was all positive and one day he will speak about it he throw a tantrum.
 

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myosotis;4271237 said:
I agree. This is a very interesting YT vid by someone who has experienced all of the negative info, and decided to look into MJ after he died. Don't be put off by the name of the YT channel. This is a very good video and deserves attention. It's long but worthwhile. I think it's a good video to refer 'doubters' to. ('Haters' are probably beyond help!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2837&v=VpR-QboDfyg

[video=youtube;VpR-QboDfyg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2837&v=VpR-QboDfyg[/video]
ScreenOrigami;4271308 said:
This is a great find, thanks! I watched it last night and think it deserves each and every one of those 47 minutes of our time. Highly recommended! :cool:

In fact, I think it deserves its own thread, because it discusses the issue from a more general angle than everything else that&#8217;s out there.
Wow, this video is indeed awesome and clever, thanks a lot for letting us know about it!

It's not just that he looked into the case, but he used reason and logic to begin with and that's what this video is based on. It's important because it shows you can use your brain and think for yourself even before you start investigating the details (or when you can't really know all of them).

By the time I finished up all that research I was left completely shocked at how much stuff about this man was either blown out of proportion or just complete lies. It was amazing. I couldn't believe how much the media, the news distorted the truth. To this day I think that might have been just a pivotal moment in my life how I look at media.

He's so spot on about Oprah and her "it transcends MJ" babbling as well:

It's as if she's saying it doesn't matter if the claims are true or not, it's just a good excuse to talk about sexual abuse?! [...] But we don't throw potentially innocent people under the bus for a good cause!

Also it's good to see how in the end he clearly "gets" MJ and what he was all about.
 
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Theroux is using guiterrez as a source to show mjs guilt. Hes an idiot. You thought he would have learnt after saville.

No time for george either. He attacked mj back in the day saying black men with money get off
 

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https://www.indy100.com/article/louis-theroux-boy-george-twitter-argument-reaction-online-9150251 does any know what's going on with Boy George and the Louis idiot, read this article this morning and it looks like a bit of a thing going on between them, I don't have twitter so I can't get to the threads, I hope George is kicking his arse



Nobody knows.
What George said could have been related to anything. Of course MJ fans jumped on it and made it about MJ. That was a big assumption.

This is a non-story. Boy George said something in one tweet. Louis wrote one tweet back. the end.

I honestly can't state how disappointed I am in Louis theroux. I was a massive fan of his. I watched his shows from the late 90s onward and I always respected his work. BUT his approach to Michael Jackson has shown just how narrow minded and uninterested in truth he really is. There was a nasty tweet from toward the end of last year. I responded respectfully with factual info and he ignored it. Then there were the tweets in support of Leaving Neverland at the beginning of this year, in which he actively attacked fans who were trying to provide factual information to him. then more recently his book in which (for attention no doubt) he deliberately name checked The Jordy "diary" book.

This man is supposed to be an "investigative journalise" but not only is he not interested in learning anything factual about michael jackson, he wants to deliberately promulgate proven untruths about him. I cannot and will not watch or buy a single product that man releases from now on.

As somebody on twitter noted Louis was lazy when it came to exposing Jimmy Saville. He feels bad about that, but he's now trying to make it up by being lazy about Michael Jackson (and getting it all wrong again!).
 
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Theroux is using guiterrez as a source to show mjs guilt. Hes an idiot. You thought he would have learnt after saville.

No time for george either. He attacked mj back in the day saying black men with money get off

You're correct about what Louis has done in his book, but there is no evidence that is what Boy George meant when he wrote his tweet.
 

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I have no idea or care what george said. I dont use twitter. My comment about him was in relation to past comments he has made.
 

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Theroux is using guiterrez as a source to show mjs guilt. Hes an idiot. You thought he would have learnt after saville.
He has no shame really. He should show some dignity and refrain from commenting on the topic of CSA after the Saville fiasco (he can't genuinely expect anyone to take his judgement seriously after that). He is obviously overcompensating (plus trying to be in what he considers to be the "cool camp", I guess he desperately needs confirmation after what happened), but his agenda is too obvious and by relying on another shady character like Gutierrez he just continues to make himself look like a completely lost moron.

As somebody on twitter noted Louis was lazy when it came to exposing Jimmy Saville. He feels bad about that, but he's now trying to make it up by being lazy about Michael Jackson (and getting it all wrong again!).
Spot on.

I have no idea or care what george said. I dont use twitter. My comment about him was in relation to past comments he has made.
I think he defended him after LN though (well if saying something like due process is important is a defence, it's more like common sense) on a show. His tweet in question now is probably unrelated.
 

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They looked for DNA even in MJ's clothes hampers and they found nothing. That person is a LIAR.


are you sure? they keep saying that they found male sperms on his bed. if that's true that's means Michael never washed his bed sheets. he was an messy man. that's a fact.
 

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I guess terrel meant they didn't find anything incriminating.

And while MJ most probably rarely washed his belongings himself, he sure had employees to do so (who knows though, maybe he loved doing laundry, haha), but most traces of contamination can be detected even after washing.
 
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