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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

nextbigthing56 said:
So with all the inconsistencies, all the lies, all the changed stories, a jury finding him not guilty on every single count, the FBI tracking him for years..fans are actually falling for this garbage and beginning to think he was guilty? Unbelievable.
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It is because m is not here the ****ing familly of freeloaders are taking so much advance with that fact. That in itself , is a sick mind to conduct such a ridiculous attempt to thwart the legend that is michael jackson
What a rachet bunch of sick minds. I am so so angry but after watching the way they conducted that, i am not shocked.

FREEDLOADERS TILL THE END HEY JOY & STEPHANIE.

i should think m hated your sons in the end and only was being nice and kind because that jim my safechuck looks like he was in love with m from the start not the other way round. and jimmy i saw you nearly smacking poor m in the face with excitement after dancing with him in that video clip. You were much too consumed with the thought that youre psychopathic mother would tell you you will be a star one day.

I can image you little shits were a handful and run amock at neverland. Look at you taking that t shirt waving it around ooh look what i got - M wasnt even on the premises at that time ON YOYUR BIRTHDAY. HE was no whre near you on your special day. THATS HOW MUCH HE CARED FOR YOU.
jimmy was much too close for comfort. Michael had to mention to Stefanie for jimmy to stop holding his hand so much!
Ah . i Can see these two agenda a mile off.
You can see these kids were groomed by the MOTHERS. RACHET FREELOADERS. I CALL BS. JUST LIKE JUNE AND THE REST. SAME OLD SHIT. and they should ALL go to prison for slandering a dead man which they ALL had a HAND IN KILLING. NO, IN FACT BURN NEVERLAND WITH THEM TRAPPED INSIDE.
I HOPE YOU READ THAT.
 
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IMO, this is why the documentary works the way it does, especially on people who had any doubts about his innocence to begin with; it answers questions. It gives a reason to his behaviour in regards to why he was hanging around with boys, why he travelled with boys, slept in bed with them, why he never had girlfriends, why he suddenly married Lisa Marie and also had children with a woman he wasn't in a relationship with. It makes you, if you had a hard time finding an alternative reason for this, feel like you found the answer.
I don't know what to believe, but it makes sense and I'm incredibly sad about that.
 
This is even more hilarious than i thought it would be.How can someone believe this circus!!!
 
I am now at the point where i'm thinking to just ignore all that stuff.
I honestly feel like 2005 again.. i am non-stop defending Michael Jackson.. i am very tired
all that stuff pisses me of and actually it hurts me.. i grew up with this man and i learned a lot from him (musically & personally).
 
i wrote the letter to the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation to cancel broadcast of this crap on russian FEDERAL TV
 
I dont even care, I'm now a Piers Morgan fan. He is posting about it on Twitter again.

As long as I live I will never forget this whole thing and how he was one of the only journalists to actually do their job properly and question Dan Reed.
 
Campari;4246618 said:
IMO, this is why the documentary works the way it does, especially on people who had any doubts about his innocence to begin with; it answers questions. It gives a reason to his behaviour in regards to why he was hanging around with boys, why he travelled with boys, slept in bed with them, why he never had girlfriends, why he suddenly married Lisa Marie and also had children with a woman he wasn't in a relationship with. It makes you, if you had a hard time finding an alternative reason for this, feel like you found the answer.
I don't know what to believe, but it makes sense and I'm incredibly sad about that.
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Anyone who can’t see that these scam artists are lying, needs to step away from being an MJ fan. Unless, you have been too lazy to read all of the evidence that fans have presented against These two, there is no way in hell that they should be believed. What EVIDENCE have they shown. Michael didn’t SUDDENLY marry Lisa Marie. They had been dating for a while. I remember the time they went to a concert and the f@#$&* media pretended that he was a concert with a boy. Michael and Lisa called the media out. I also have photos and film footage when Michael was in a relationship with Debbie, Paris and Prince’s mom. Debbie was with Michael a lot before Lisa came into the picture. I have photos of Michael and Debbie in the back seat of a car. I have photos of Debbie at the window of hotels when Michael was on tour. Let’s not forget that Debbie pregnant with Michael’s child BEFORE she became pregnant with Prince. She lost Michael’s first child.The media doesn’t want you to know that because it doesn’t fit their agenda.
The media would always act as if it was only boys with him, when the photos would show Debbie, and later on they did this when he was with Lisa. She would be with Michael and other children. The trash media would report that he was with a boy. This is how they manipulated gullible people. This is how Robson and Safechuck are manipulating people like you and others who have doubts.
Any fan who has been defending Michael, like I have for over 30 years, KNOWS that the bull crap these two are spewing is nothing new, it’s the same @#$& that has
been regurgitated since the 1993-1994 scam.IMO, some of you seem to WANT to find sn EXCUSE to doubt Michael. He doesn’t need fence straddling fans. Either you believe this trash or you KNOW they are lying and that Michael is 100% innocent. There is no but...
 
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Campari said:
IMO, this is why the documentary works the way it does, especially on people who had any doubts about his innocence to begin with; it answers questions. It gives a reason to his behaviour in regards to why he was hanging around with boys, why he travelled with boys, slept in bed with them, why he never had girlfriends, why he suddenly married Lisa Marie and also had children with a woman he wasn't in a relationship with. It makes you, if you had a hard time finding an alternative reason for this, feel like you found the answer.
I don't know what to believe, but it makes sense and I'm incredibly sad about that.
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It doesn't make sense though does it, that's the point we argue. Their stories have changed numerous times, their timelines make no sense.

I honestly dont get how people are so easily convinced by this documentary, especially having the information that we have about them. They're not convincing actors at all in my opinion, this is basically a movie.....they've been coached....they've rehearsed.....they're fed lines by the director, they have spooky music over the top of it and show pictures in it to go along with certain stories that are then taken out of context.

This is a movie....a work of fiction.....not a documentary.

Watch the scene with the rings and watch him say, 'it's hard to go back......to that.......moment'. Oh I'll just add several pauses in here to make it sound like I'm really struggling with this.

They may not be professional actors but I think I'm right in saying that both have previous acting experience, especially Wade.
 
So Dan Reed declared that he will work on another LN with Chandler and Arvizo.
 
I think one point why this mokementary is so powererful and can capture the feelings so well is the pioner aspect in it.
You can correct me but I think we never listen to sombody talking so detailed and grafic about sexual acts between a man and a boy on screen.
This is the main part why the SHOCK value of this film is so high and effective.

It breakes a new taboo.

Its maybe simular to the effect when gay people start talking in the last century about sexual acts between two man or its start that those szenes become part of a movie.

Its something that people never expirinceced before.
I bet when it were hetero sexual acts or gay sexual acts Wade and James whould describe the shockvalue were not really there.
Something you experinced the very first time is always very emotional.

Think about that. Esspecially the doubters.

Its a very bad example but remeber when you saw your first horror movie or the Thriller video for the first time back in 80ies how emotional this was for you.

Dan Reed knew about this pioner high emotinal impact and that is maybe the first reson why he get so much graphic in the film he can to cepture so much emotions from you as he can.
To make the story beliveable is the second reason without showing real evidences.
 
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L.T.D said:
It doesn't make sense though does it, that's the point we argue. Their stories have changed numerous times, their timelines make no sense.

I honestly dont get how people are so easily convinced by this documentary, especially having the information that we have about them. They're not convincing actors at all in my opinion, this is basically a movie.....they've been coached....they've rehearsed.....they're fed lines by the director, they have spooky music over the top of it and show pictures in it to go along with certain stories that are then taken out of context.

This is a movie....a work of fiction.....not a documentary.

Watch the scene with the rings and watch him say, 'it's hard to go back......to that.......moment'. Oh I'll just add several pauses in here to make it sound like I'm really struggling with this.

They may not be professional actors but I think I'm right in saying that both have previous acting experience, especially Wade.
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This is what so many people seem unable to comprehend. It's a film, with an agenda. Its not a live testimony or interviews, its all set up to have the intended affect, they could do as many takes/shots as it took to appear as convincing as possible, and I still don't think they come across as convincing. I find some of the interviews out right bizarre. The mothers laughing and joking in when talking about things where the apparently since learnt that their child was being raped and abused? How are people buying this, that revelation would be soul destroying to a mother.
 
To the fans doubting Michael's innocence: please don't throw your critical thinking skills out of the window over this propaganda film!
 
wednesday said:
To the fans doubting Michael's innocence: please don't throw your critical thinking skills out of the window over this propaganda film!
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They should ask Judges why they didn't believe WR and JS.
Wait why they will ask them, they knows better than them.
 
1nn5 said:
You think that, but money and fame can change what you didn't expect
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In a perfect world, they star in a pro MJ documentary admitting the lies. But theres even less chance of that happening.
 
In the clip where Safechuck shows off his ring collection he looks to me as if he doesn't believe what he is saying himself. But goes through with it anyway. There is this embarrassed smirk on his face. But I read it not as shame but rather as if he cannot believe he is spewing these ridiculous stories but is in this mess too deep already so he goes through with it. They do not even remotely look credible to me.
 
L.T.D said:
In a perfect world, they star in a pro MJ documentary admitting the lies. But theres even less chance of that happening.
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forget that, don't expect anything from them.
but there a chance to see Arvizo and Chandler in his new project.
 
When NAMBLA is behind LN and had the destionation with this mockumentary that the society worldwide start talking for a long piriod of time about sexual acts and loving relationships between adults and children.....
They couldn't reach the destination any better then with LN and using the most famous honared and beloved man of the planet: Michael Jackson!
Over 150 countrys will now talk about this and peodo PHANTASIES from loving relationsships between men and boys in 2019!!!
 
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We have already an article by slate advocating that paedophilia be classified as an illness rather than a crime.
 
Was really nervous to watch last night. Thought I might be convinced. However.....

It was far less compelling than I was expecting. Media coverage died down in the Uk. Many social media users confused as to why this was even on TV in first place. Many many people taking a dim view of defaming the dead.
 
Chandler is bound by the settlement he cannot speak with the media nor participate in any documentary.
 
MJ brought it on himself. The estate will not be able to refute what they have alleged. Even in 2005 Mer could not refute the sexual stuff he just attacked the credibility of the accusers. Even after 1993 happened mj kept surrounding himself with kids. Omar Bhatti. Why did he have him around for God knows how long. Why? There was always a boy around always. How the estate is going to refute that? Frank Casico once claimed he used to sleep in mj's bed and they would speak about sex with women. Like seriously, why would a man get teenagers to lay in his bed and speak about sex with women with them. How the estate will address all of that?
 
Scream;4246491 said:
Sharing your bed with kids who aren't related to you as a grown man is weird and trying to defend it is pointless. I don't care what Michael said, he should've known better, especially how it would appear to outsiders.
I don't believe for one second that he had any sexual motive behind it, but he still shouldn't have done it.
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Same here. I don’t try to defend that. I don’t get into the whole “oh his room is big” etc etc

I just say he shouldn’t have done this but that there’s no evidence of criminal conduct and ample evidence of accusers lying and lacking credibility

Backlash in the Uk dying down today. Far less articles. People overall not interested I’d say. Documentary was dull for most people
 
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