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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

I will be able to take pictures of the book tonight. If it will not be done by somebody else. Do you want the pics to be posted in separated thread, right?
 
So I was listening for some video in YouTube on the background while I was browsing the forum and I came across this. Have you heard about it?
starting 5:33 https://youtu.be/gyKcVfLJNGY?t=333

In short, there were some comment from somebody who seemed to know Robson and the comment was about Robson who had marriage problems saying he was caught molesting his own son so that's why he had to come up with the lies that he was molested by Michael. That comment was deleted later.
 
Lightbringer said:
Now, please relax a bit. This is not the first time you have been almost angrily peddling pretty incorrect information. I just see you appearing time after time and posting your own "interpretations" of what James or Wade meant, and its always to find an excuse for them.

Its pretty tiring, at least for me. If you are going to play devils advocate, I personally would like you to be 100% sure on the facts you are presenting. Its a horrible situation already for everyone, without getting into lengthy arguments in here because you are speculating wrongly about facts. Thanks!
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sorry if you thought I was speculating but it is the opposite, I tried to give the exact points that puts in the legal documents, because I've just realized that some people are giving many refutations with some points that are not entirely correct because in some cases It does not put that in the legal documentation.
we all give personal interpretations in some point, not only me.
I have always tried to stick to the legal documents I have even attached or pointed out the points of the legal documents to refer to certain things.
I would like it to be done always contributing the legal documents to corroborate because there are many information incorrect in many places and that does not help in
 
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Lovepeace1 said:
I've put the grammy link before.
look at it there and you'll see that it comes out in 1989. Maybe there are also errors in wikepedia or in the grammy page because one says one thing And another says other thing

look at the link there It says that it was n 1989:


https://www.grammy.com/grammys/artists/michael-jackson
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But they also list the Grammy Legend Award he accepted from sister Janet, that took place in 36th Grammy Awards. That isn't correct, it was the 35th Grammy Awards 1992 below there where he was nominated with 3 Grammy Awards for Black or White and Jam. Same awards where Eric Clapton won multiple awards for 'Tears In Heaven' and that took place in February 1993.
So if you count back three years from 35th Grammy Awards 1992, you get back to 32th Grammy Awards 1989 and that took place in February 1990.
 
Lovepeace1 said:
sorry if you thought I was speculating but it is the opposite, I tried to give the exact points that puts in the legal documents, because I've just realized that some people are giving many refutations with some points that are not entirely correct because in some cases It does not put that in the legal documentation.
we all give personal interpretations in some point, not only me.
I have always tried to stick to the legal documents I have even attached or pointed out the points of the legal documents to refer to certain things.
I would like it to be done always contributing the legal documents to corroborate because there are many information incorrect in many places and that does not help in
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The problem was that you sent the link to the court document, but stated something completely different than what was said in the the court document you linked to in the very same post. That did not help. But I understand you want to make sure we go by real information and dont create myths like the one about Euro Disney in 1988, when it was opened 1992 - that turned out to be completely fabricated and untrue.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I believe and trust that Michael Jackson was and is a magnificent incredible force to me and to many others.” – Ms. Diana Ross <a href="https://t.co/sOsQUlVM3V">pic.twitter.com/sOsQUlVM3V</a></p>&mdash; Michael Jackson (@michaeljackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson/status/1112754042617413633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The majority of the the Pop music industry would sound way different today if <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackson</a> hadn't been everybody's biggest influence and idol. Yet now they are all silent. Backstabbers. Liars. Hypocrites. Got what they needed from Mike &amp; then threw him away <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/fL67EIiFaT">pic.twitter.com/fL67EIiFaT</a></p>&mdash; Scott Isbell (@scottisbell_) <a href="https://twitter.com/scottisbell_/status/1112440729534713857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine these people actually tried to cancel Michael Jackson &#128514;.. it wasn’t in gods plan I will be playing Off The Wall in the gym tomorrow ... as you were!</p>&mdash; Wavy Boy Smith (@MrBigzOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrBigzOfficial/status/1111778221559869446?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/asKj3gVdET">pic.twitter.com/asKj3gVdET</a></p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/1112380439421804545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Brancas latest response. He seems confident about the whole situation. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/leavingneverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#leavingneverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/3yUTpKPEHn">pic.twitter.com/3yUTpKPEHn</a></p>&mdash; applehead (@heavencanwaiiit) <a href="https://twitter.com/heavencanwaiiit/status/1112656430795026432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/6tXi78uW9K">https://t.co/6tXi78uW9K</a> Calls People Who Are Muting Michael Jackson ‘Hypocritical And Fake’ <a href="https://t.co/tchCX7mVUX">https://t.co/tchCX7mVUX</a></p>&mdash; CSKIK (@HotHouseGruv) <a href="https://twitter.com/HotHouseGruv/status/1112517888357871616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson biographer claims he’s uncovered evidence that could disprove child sex abuse allegations <a href="https://t.co/eBddS66eeL">https://t.co/eBddS66eeL</a> <a href="https://t.co/VlCLXmhg1b">pic.twitter.com/VlCLXmhg1b</a></p>&mdash; NME (@NME) <a href="https://twitter.com/NME/status/1112456038261968896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;My train station ? 1992 ?&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/gn1rfQHJZJ">pic.twitter.com/gn1rfQHJZJ</a></p>&mdash; Sev Urbain (@SevUphoto) <a href="https://twitter.com/SevUphoto/status/1112463942868258816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a> &#128226;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/protest?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#protest</a> &#9996;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> against <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cologne?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cologne</a> &#127465;&#127466; <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tjjackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tjjackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zigmanfreud</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tmz</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/rtlexplosiv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@rtlexplosiv</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/welt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@welt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/spotterkoeln?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@spotterkoeln</a> <a href="https://t.co/V48eboSaGE">pic.twitter.com/V48eboSaGE</a></p>&mdash; &#9734;MJsSunny&#9734; (@MJs_SUNNY) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJs_SUNNY/status/1112603477694431233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another Google number one. <br><br>Appears people are willing to engage with information the film failed to provide. <a href="https://t.co/MgKi8NNTRH">https://t.co/MgKi8NNTRH</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1112501040161738752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the past few weeks I have dealt with many MJ fans, as a psychologist I had to say few words &#128522; there are a lot of commonalities &#128076; most MJ fans have bigger meaning in life, peaceful and caring, successful (unlike what ppl think) bec simply <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mj?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mj</a> was an insp.</p>&mdash; Dr. Yomna Sameer (@yomna_sameer) <a href="https://twitter.com/yomna_sameer/status/1112420035627229184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am not watching that “Leaving Neverland” show. The Legend is dead and buried. Let him go in peace. He is not even here to defend himself of all these allegations. My opinion</p>&mdash; Do2dtun Energy gAD (@iamDo2dtun) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamDo2dtun/status/1112301415437946881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New article! On MJ, &quot;Cancel culture,&quot; and new issues with Leaving Neverland! <a href="https://t.co/iSFmTObpHD">https://t.co/iSFmTObpHD</a></p>&mdash; Raven Woods (@emailraven) <a href="https://twitter.com/emailraven/status/1112439091621228547?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LMAO!!!!! Your whole narrative is that MJ broke up with them when they hit puberty!!! This makes Janes Safechuck at least 16 years old! You are SUCH a fraud!!! <a href="https://t.co/v6NIRH0WwF">https://t.co/v6NIRH0WwF</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1112384962613788673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No muting Michael Jackson in Jamaica &#127471;&#127474; tonight, playing loud and proud around the resort <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AmplifyMichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AmplifyMichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/jamaica?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#jamaica</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNerverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNerverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MuteOprah?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MuteOprah</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OprahIsOverParty?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OprahIsOverParty</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OprahHidesWeinstein?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OprahHidesWeinstein</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MondayMotivaton?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MondayMotivaton</a> <a href="https://t.co/x1KP9i3Qrf">pic.twitter.com/x1KP9i3Qrf</a></p>&mdash; HaightAshbury (@AZJMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/AZJMJ/status/1112521363774996480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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magic said:
Off topic. But Latvian basketball player who works in USA now is now accused of rape now. It is all over the news in Latvia and nobody believes it but ppl are following the news. Leaving Neverland may not be that big news soon in here, I think.

It seems like it is like some kind of trend now to accuse celebrities.
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Our former vice President Joe Biden just been accused. Some were trying to twist it a picture he took with a friend who fell at her HUSBAND honor ceremony. She came out defending Joe saying he was our friend and he put his hand on my shoulder and told me in my ear I was going to be ok because I hurt myself from the fall. Joe is touchy but he mean no harm even some media host is defending Joe. And the accuser is a Bernie Sanders supporter who claimed this happen in 2014. I tell people they can go along with accusations about others but you day is coming when it can be YOU, a love one, or someone you like who gets done the same way even if they are innocent.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/HBO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBO</a> unpacked by investigative journos, thrown to the ground, even its own director <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@danreed1000</a> knows it and now slowly admits it. <a href="https://twitter.com/HBOAdria?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBOAdria</a> still has time to pull this obvious piece of mockery off its schedule (April 10 and 11) | <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJINNOCENT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJINNOCENT</a> <a href="https://t.co/2GAlCXkD1q">https://t.co/2GAlCXkD1q</a></p>&mdash; Ika Ferrer Goti&#263; (@IkaFerrerGotic) <a href="https://twitter.com/IkaFerrerGotic/status/1112602217364840448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not courage at all... I am tired of the Lies and Liars! I am going to speak up for Michael and be his truth. Michael has always been there for me and I will always be there for him! <a href="https://t.co/6LJbNppRoJ">https://t.co/6LJbNppRoJ</a></p>&mdash; Brenda Harvey Richie (@BrendaRichie) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendaRichie/status/1112577070993793024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Celebrity Interviewer <a href="https://twitter.com/LiamMcEwan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LiamMcEwan</a> has created a fantastic mini documentary on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> titled, ‘Neverland Firsthand: Investigating the Michael Jackson Documentary’, featuring interviews with Michael’s relatives<br>and more. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a><br><br>WATCH HERE: <a href="https://t.co/tnAHhMVYZw">https://t.co/tnAHhMVYZw</a> <a href="https://t.co/75xFKpEHj4">pic.twitter.com/75xFKpEHj4</a></p>&mdash; MJJLegion &#9813; (@MJJLegion) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJLegion/status/1112427496740405249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It would be really interesting to know who invested, funded, supported the production of LN. Follow THAT trail! <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CEThomson</a></p>&mdash; Harrison Funk (@harrisonfunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/harrisonfunk/status/1112723390618632192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am saddened &amp; angered by how many in Hollywood turned their backs on <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackson</a> &amp; still do not speak up. Well I am speaking up. And Mike's innocence is truer than ever. You can't cancel a King. We love you Mike! Thank u <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> for ur endless hard work <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnoccent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnoccent</a> <a href="https://t.co/V0hHJGNWK6">pic.twitter.com/V0hHJGNWK6</a></p>&mdash; Scott Isbell (@scottisbell_) <a href="https://twitter.com/scottisbell_/status/1112435695405203456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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I study James second complaint since today


https://de.scribd.com/document/324761203/James-Safechuck-September-19-2016-Second-Amended-Complaint

and have the impression that James claims there that the abuse at Neverland only took place in Michaels bedroom suite and not anywhere else at the ranch.
That the abuse took place at other places at the Neverland Ranch seemes to be an inventation or an expension of (the script to) the movie LN.
Who else who have read James complaint share the same impression?
 
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magic said:
Mine is from 2009. But it has 280 pages. The one you posted says it has 196 pages.
Mine also has a stamp Authorised by Michael Jackson.
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If you see an amazon link to the one you have, let me know. I'd like to own it!

In the meantime, [if it's not too much of a burden] share with us pics of a couple years? 1989 (the year of this NY trip) /1992 (the year james claims this night where he cried himself to sleep.. given half the year he was on tour, it only leaves half the year open for this story to fit.. /1996 the year Michael rehearsed for HIStory, (Wades story of the bloody underwear)..
 
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I can't find it in Amazon. Will look more when the kid will go to sleep.


https://www.bookdepository.com/Mich...382618?ref=grid-view&qid=1554146840480&sr=1-1 but it is not available now.
 
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If you see an amazon link to the one you have, let me know. I'd like to own it!

In the meantime, [if it's not too much of a burden] share with us pics of a couple years? 1989 (the year of this NY trip) /1992 (the year james claims this night where he cried himself to sleep.. given half the year he was on tour, it only leaves half the year open for this story to fit.. /1996 the year Michael rehearsed for HIStory, (Wades story of the bloody underwear)..
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So 89, 92 and 96. Give me 3 or so hours.
 
Does anyone know if it's true if the Chandlers denounced the Victor G. book? I heard this recently!
 
KOPV;4252955 said:
Does anyone know if it's true if the Chandlers denounced the Victor G. book? I heard this recently!
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Jordan's uncle (Ray Chandler... who ALSO wrote a book because of course) was asked about Gutierrez in an interview and called him a sleazebag. The fact that the family (or at least Ray) distanced themselves from that book definitely says something.

Article where he says it (URL may get screwed up as it sadly uses THAT name for him): https://www.foxnews.com/story/*****-accusers-uncle-to-publish-expose

Article text for those who don't want to give it clicks (even if it is 15 years old...do news websites still care about clicks on pages that old?)

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*****: Uncle of First Accuser to Publish Exposé

The family of a 12-year-old-boy who said he was abused by Michael Jackson a decade ago accepted a $23 million settlement because he was denied a request made to the Los Angeles district attorney for witness protection. That's what the boy's uncle told me last night.

Ray Chandler, uncle of the 12-year-old boy, to whom Jackson paid a $23 million settlement in 1994, is about to publish a book about the entire episode.

In it, he will expose what he described to me last night as "all the facts" of the child-molestation case brought on behalf of his nephew against Jackson in 1993.

Among Chandler's claims: Gil Garcetti, then Los Angeles County district attorney, refused to put the family into the Witness Protection Program after they'd received numerous death threats.

When Garcetti declined, categorizing the threats as minimal, the boy's father decided not to go forward with the case, Chandler says.

Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon, now prosecuting Jackson on a new child-molestation claim, was hamstrung because of Garcetti's decision, Chandler said.

Chandler, brother of the now-24-year-old accuser's father, told me last night he has been estranged from both his brother and nephew for about four years. But when he saw the Martin Bashir special, "Living With Michael Jackson," in February 2003, he felt it was time someone set the record straight.

In the special, Jackson held hands with a 12-year-old boy who he said slept in his bed. He also defended having children sleep in his bed and in his room.

"It gave me the willies," Chandler said.

It is presumed that Chandler's brother and nephew signed a confidentiality agreement in 1994. But Chandler, who practices law in the city of Santa Barbara, insisted in last night's phone conversation that his book is unauthorized, unsanctioned and unconnected to the rest of his family.

He said his brother and nephew "are not participating in the book," which will retail between $14 and $25. Only Chandler will receive royalties from its sales.

The book, "All That Glitters: The Crime and the Cover Up," will be in bookstores and online around Sept. 12. It is not being issued by an established publisher. Chandler told me he is self-publishing it in order to control the content.

"I had friends in the business read it and they said I would have to water it down to get it published," he told me, "even though it's based on facts and has evidence to back it up."

The evidence, Chandler said, would be many never-before-seen legal documents concerning the case. After Sept. 12, he's planning to put some of them on his Web site.

These documents will include the boy's deposition and sworn testimony in his civil case against Jackson, which ended with the $23 million settlement.

Chandler told me he's ready to defend himself against skeptics and critics who will no doubt assail him as greedy or disloyal to his family.

"This whole thing is never going to end if it's buried. It has to be exposed," he said. "It's been written about in other places. All I'm doing is exposing the real facts."

Playing devil's advocate, I asked Chandler why his brother didn't reject the $23 million settlement offer and instead allow the state to go ahead with its case against Jackson.

That one development seems to have fueled DA Sneddon's decade-long desire to see Michael Jackson prosecuted as a child molester.

Chandler maintained that his family had been so harassed that it wanted the case to go away quickly.

With Jackson facing a January 2005 trial on charges of child molestation, Chandler's book should cause a firestorm. For one thing, it validates much in a previously published book by Victor Gutierrez &#8212; banned in the U.S. &#8212; that chronicled Jackson's relationships with several children, including Chandler's nephew.

But Ray Chandler said he did not endorse that book. "Victor Gutierrez is a sleazebag," he said.

Chandler also takes issue in his book with a 1994 article in GQ magazine by Mary Fischer that portrayed the boy's case as something not so far short of extortion against Jackson.

"Mary Fischer made a lot of mistakes," Chandler said. "She was extremely sloppy. I think she got a lot of her information from Anthony Pellicano," he said, referring to Jackson's former private investigator, who is currently incarcerated on charges of illegal wiretapping. "There was a manipulation of facts."

So this is going to be some wild week for Michael Jackson, considering earlier revelations of payoffs to other children and families. Ray Chandler is determined to tell the story of what happened between his family and Michael Jackson, regardless of whether anyone in his family wants him to or not.

So fasten your seatbelts, kids. This is only the beginning.

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Well ray, your brother tried to sue MJ again after the Diane Swayer interview in 1995 so that lie about wanting it to go away because they were harassed was a lie and the statue of limitation was not up until 1999. And even in 2005, Jordan's mother came to trial. Now her it is that mother who got a settlement and could have said anything never said MJ abused my son. No, as I keep saying, she know she benefited from blood money. Even a male reporter on Courttv said her testimony helped instead of hurt MJ.
 
I also added links in separate thread so it wouldn't get lost in this thread if somebody needs it.
 
KOPV said:
Does anyone know if it's true if the Chandlers denounced the Victor G. book? I heard this recently!
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Please watch this video compleatly. Everything about Victor G. And MJ is here very well presented.


magic said:
Here is from Adrian Grant book

1989 https://files.fm/u/2ea58swv
1992 https://files.fm/u/yjv84ytj
1996 https://files.fm/u/sc6k3xbg

Let me know if you need something more
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Thats great. Thank you. I would be also very interested in the year 1990.

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I wonder where all the witnesses were in LN James mentioned since Page 15 of his complaint.

Can someone tell me details about the witnesses he mentioned and if they ever say something publically about MJ and James?
 
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I have only seen 1 danish newspaper (tabloid) write about the train station and how the doc is full of lies.
 
Good news, for the plastic fans.
The statue of MJ is now removed in Netherlands.
 
1nn5 said:
Good news, for the plastic fans.
The statue of MJ is now removed in Netherlands.
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My buddy just told me. And this is right when the lies are constantly being discovered and this whole thing is being torn apart. ****ing unbelievable! So either some assholes complained about it or the higher ups just made the decision after all.

What do you mean with plastic fans?
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
My buddy just told me. And this is right when the lies are constantly being discovered and this whole thing is being torn apart. ****ing unbelievable! So either some assholes complained about it or the higher ups just made the decision after all.

What do you mean with plastic fans?
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Plastic fans is a term used to refer to people who are temporary or fake fan of MJ.
 
1nn5 said:
Plastic fans is a term used to refer to people who are temporary or fake fan of MJ.
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Oooh I see.

Well, I spoke to some fans on Twitter and they told me nobody had complained about the statue but the head of the McDonald's decided to remove it. With the reason "it may be unpleasant for people.". Fans on Twitter say it's just a tactic to get people to believe the filth is true, they don't want the belief to be that the "documentary" is being torn apart now.
 
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