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[xthunderx2]

I have a question about what the dancer said maybe someone else can make sense of it...her is what he said about the reheasal time..

In fact, on June 24, the last day of Jackson's life, director Kenny Ortega staged the show and "we ran through the whole thing and finished at about 1:30 in the morning," Celebre, a dancer based in Toronto, recalled in an interview yesterday at the midtown BDX dance studio.


ok My question is this...if rehearsals ended at 1:30am......then in the witness statement HOW can it say that Michael called Murray at 1:00am and said he was dehydrated and didnt feel well??...also how could the security camera's get Murray entering the house at 1am.....did I miss something here??

edit...sorry guys maybe this question is in the wrong thread...this is just where it hit me in the head so this is where I dropped it...

 

[Beachlover]

Wow....you guys are truly amazing and thanks for putting things in such wonderful order with everything in one neat little place like that. It makes things less confusing.

It is a lot of information to read through and digest and come up with some intelligent answers but I am working on it. Thanks again for all that information.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

ok My question is this...if rehearsals ended at 1:30am......then in the witness statement HOW can it say that Michael called Murray at 1:00am and said he was dehydrated and didnt feel well??..

i believe that statementwas written very early on. it also talked about cpr being done on the floor. so it was very rough if u want to call it that.

couple of questions. ppl have said no Loz was given the night b4 as it wasnt in the blood or urine. yet murray claimed he did give it on the 24th. why would murray lie about that. how does it help him. and presuming whath as been said about mj going (cant use the D word) vertually straight away after being injected is murray using the 10.30 time of injection for both of his timelines. meaning the first timeline had him injecting at 10.30 approx then after 10 mins he goes to the toliet and comes back and finds mj. but then he changs his story to i found him at 12. when he found him at 12 while on the phone to his GF (according to tmz) is he still claiming he injected at 10.30 as obviously thats an hour and a half difference and plays into the pros case of murray spending that time on the phone and covering it up or being that negligent that he didnt even notice for an hour and 30 cause he was on the phone etc.will murray now create a third timeline to counter that it seems mj went straight away?

 

[Beachlover]

i believe that statementwas written very early on. it also talked about cpr being done on the floor. so it was very rough if u want to call it that.

couple of questions. ppl have said no Loz was given the night b4 as it wasnt in the blood or urine. yet murray claimed he did give it on the 24th. why would murray lie about that. how does it help him. and presuming whath as been said about mj going (cant use the D word) vertually straight away after being injected is murray using the 10.30 time of injection for both of his timelines. meaning the first timeline had him injecting at 10.30 approx then after 10 mins he goes to the toliet and comes back and finds mj. but then he changs his story to i found him at 12. when he found him at 12 while on the phone to his GF (according to tmz) is he still claiming he injected at 10.30 as obviously thats an hour and a half difference and plays into the pros case of murray spending that time on the phone and covering it up or being that negligent that he didnt even notice for an hour and 30 cause he was on the phone etc.will murray now create a third timeline to counter that it seems mj went straight away?

Yes, you are right and these are things that I have thought about over and over in my head.

It looks like the time line reported earlier on this thread where he injected the P later on is more accurate but STILL...this makes me wonder why he would have done it so late in the day. I dunno. A lot of factors going on here that have me shaking my head.

It definitely appears he gave the shot and poor Mike stopped breathing pretty quick but they give no time of death other than from the hospital.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

can u please tell me more about what was the problem of his colon an if he was recieving any treatment for his colon?

they were just little growths on the colon. (prob a better word to use but cant think of it) i doubt mj was even aware of them. no treatment was being used from what i remember

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Im sorry I must have missed the time of death somewhere. I know MJ was pronounced dead at the hospital but did the autopsy reveal how long MJ had been dead to give a time line?

no time was given other than the one from the hospital although u can narrow it down. the report says he was gone when the medics got there(no heart beat etc) and there were marks on his back from some beads that had been on the bed. he was laying on them and they left marks.the marks didnt go or start to heal up so that showed he was gone at home aswell. hopefully the police asked the corner not to put in or edit out the TOD as it would help murray.

 

[Autumn II]

Wow....you guys are truly amazing and thanks for putting things in such wonderful order with everything in one neat little place like that. It makes things less confusing.

It is a lot of information to read through and digest and come up with some intelligent answers but I am working on it. Thanks again for all that information.

Well, we're in "trial-mode." Again (sadly). You all should know that Elusive was a primary researcher back then, and the work was INCREDIBLE. This is very valuable material, and thanks.

The inconsistencies are quite glaring. What happens is, on media, people say things that seem off-the-cuff at the moment, but those statements actually become part of a permanent record. Timelines become incredibly important, in their inconsistencies.

 

[virgo_3079]

sorry for interrupting your conservation,but I have a question.

Did the autopsy report confirm that Michael still produced normal functioning sperms?Which page is this information mentioned?

thanks in advance

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Well, we're in "trial-mode." Again (sadly). You all should know that Elusive was a primary researcher back then, and the work was INCREDIBLE. This is very valuable material, and thanks.

The inconsistencies are quite glaring. What happens is, on media, people say things that seem off-the-cuff at the moment, but those statements actually become part of a permanent record. Timelines become incredibly important, in their inconsistencies.

thanks vic although i have to say im struggling with alot of the medical talk.i find alot of it confusing and have to re read it and still dont get it . legal talk seems alot easier to me.its also hard cause we are still trying to piece things together. its role reversals from 03-05.guess the waiting is the worst. just have to wait for the accusations to be laid out so we can go through it all.but then i kinda worry about helping to create defences for murray by discussing what he might use to fight some pros info that we have just found out about and are discussing. like i said its abit weird cause its all role reversal

 

[Soundmind]

thank you for the answer.

Your post is interesting, can you post a recap of the inconstancies you found ???

My question was about the other drugs Murray said he gave that night (other than propofol), do you think they are consistent with the tox results ? Or are there other lies and inconsistencies in there also ? I am definitely not able to find ou that by myself...

Thks for the research you're doing.

thank you , I'm still reading the autopsy report .There is interesting stuff there but I need more time .

 

[elusive moonwalker]

sorry for interrupting your conservation,but I have a question.

Did the autopsy report confirm that Michael still produced normal functioning sperms?Which page is this information mentioned?

thanks in advance

yeah it did say he was but i couldnt say which page. i only read the first few b4 it got to the other stuff. but it was mentioned on here somewhere by someone who read it

 

[Soundmind]

i believe that statementwas written very early on. it also talked about cpr being done on the floor. so it was very rough if u want to call it that.

couple of questions. ppl have said no Loz was given the night b4 as it wasnt in the blood or urine. yet murray claimed he did give it on the 24th. why would murray lie about that. how does it help him. and presuming whath as been said about mj going (cant use the D word) vertually straight away after being injected is murray using the 10.30 time of injection for both of his timelines. meaning the first timeline had him injecting at 10.30 approx then after 10 mins he goes to the toliet and comes back and finds mj. but then he changs his story to i found him at 12. when he found him at 12 while on the phone to his GF (according to tmz) is he still claiming he injected at 10.30 as obviously thats an hour and a half difference and plays into the pros case of murray spending that time on the phone and covering it up or being that negligent that he didnt even notice for an hour and 30 cause he was on the phone etc.will murray now create a third timeline to counter that it seems mj went straight away?

He lied about giving lorazepam on 22, 23 because he did not want to admit that the first day he used lorazepam with propofol HE ENDED KILLING HIM .

the amounts in MJ's urine does not support a theory of an hour and 20 minutes of propofol , it was given for less than half an hour , even less than 15 minutes , that's what the urine concentration says .

so it does fit with the first timeline , but when MJ died ? was it at 11 or 12 ?

what we know from the beads he died on the bed , but when ? we don't know .

 

[xthunderx2]

i believe that statementwas written very early on. it also talked about cpr being done on the floor. so it was very rough if u want to call it that.

couple of questions. ppl have said no Loz was given the night b4 as it wasnt in the blood or urine. yet murray claimed he did give it on the 24th. why would murray lie about that. how does it help him. and presuming whath as been said about mj going (cant use the D word) vertually straight away after being injected is murray using the 10.30 time of injection for both of his timelines. meaning the first timeline had him injecting at 10.30 approx then after 10 mins he goes to the toliet and comes back and finds mj. but then he changs his story to i found him at 12. when he found him at 12 while on the phone to his GF (according to tmz) is he still claiming he injected at 10.30 as obviously thats an hour and a half difference and plays into the pros case of murray spending that time on the phone and covering it up or being that negligent that he didnt even notice for an hour and 30 cause he was on the phone etc.will murray now create a third timeline to counter that it seems mj went straight away?

Thank you Elusive..I knew I wasn't losing my mind..however maybe we should create a new thread ti discuss this stuff in.....like the time differences between what was said by Murray and what the evidence proves....I just dont want to derail this thread here....also I do understand your later post down the page also about not wanting to give any defense to Murray ...so if anyone else has any ideas about what to do with this ...please help...

 

[elusive moonwalker]

so it does fit with the first timeline , but when MJ died ? was it at 11 or 12 ?

yeah it fits more with the story of i gave it to him then went to the toliet x amount of mins later and came back. yes that could be seen as credible. problem for murray is that hes changed that story and the times. looks like as in 03-05 he told a lie then told another to cover it up and hes lost track of what he said. if u go with the 10.30 timeline of giving it to him then it incriminates him either way. first timeline incriminated him cause he spent an hour on the phone didnt call 911 till after 12. second timeline hes saying i gave him the P at 10.30 and he was ok until i found him at 12. well as u say the evidence doesnt support him. could he have been that negligent to not realise for upto an hour and 30 that mj was gone? i wont be shocked if he comes up with a new story for this as either timeline incriminates him big time

He lied about giving lorazepam on 22, 23 because he did not want to admit that the first day he used lorazepam with propofol HE ENDED KILLING HIM .

can you just clarify this. what did murray say he gave on the 22.23.loz by itself? he claimed on the 24th he gave loz and dip and everything was ok when the report shows he didnt give loz on the 24th

 

[Autumn II]

Yes, I think a new thread should be created for this analysis. Probably here, on the main board, and not in the I. U. This is not a "conspiracy theory," but a detailed analysis of the information given in the autopsy report compared to other statements/information that we can find. Everyone's input is of value in this.

I understand that the medical data is very complex. I'm sure it matters, a lot, but I think that for us primary focus should probably be on the timeline, who-said-what and when (at least as far as we know), and that sort of thing? (Unless there is a doctor on the board, or forensic specialist?) Just a suggestion, though.

There are some strangenesses in the autopsy report that make me think it is not entirely accurate. (won't get into that just yet, though.) Plus, the TOD remains obscure. There are certain factors that make it difficult to pinpoint with accuracy, but yet the report should include an estimate, if nothing else.

I wouldn't worry too much about this material providing a "defense" for Murray. I'm sure his lawyers are preparing for any eventuality. That was not an issue during Michael's trial, and I'm SURE that Sneddon's team was reading here (well, on MJJF).

 

[TarinJade]

I have a question about what the dancer said maybe someone else can make sense of it...her is what he said about the reheasal time..

In fact, on June 24, the last day of Jackson's life, director Kenny Ortega staged the show and "we ran through the whole thing and finished at about 1:30 in the morning," Celebre, a dancer based in Toronto, recalled in an interview yesterday at the midtown BDX dance studio.


ok My question is this...if rehearsals ended at 1:30am......then in the witness statement HOW can it say that Michael called Murray at 1:00am and said he was dehydrated and didnt feel well??...also how could the security camera's get Murray entering the house at 1am.....did I miss something here??

edit...sorry guys maybe this question is in the wrong thread...this is just where it hit me in the head so this is where I dropped it...

That whole thing about Michael calling Murray and saying that he was dehydrated and couldn't sleep looked very off to me. I mentioned it to my mom, and she thought it was total bull. I have a feeling that this is from the account that Murray gave to police, so take it with a bucket of salt. The report also says that Murray put MJ on the floor for CPR.

 

[daisy]

yeah it fits more with the story of i gave it to him then went to the toliet x amount of mins later and came back. yes that could be seen as credible. problem for murray is that hes changed that story and the times. looks like as in 03-05 he told a lie then told another to cover it up and hes lost track of what he said. if u go with the 10.30 timeline of giving it to him then it incriminates him either way. first timeline incriminated him cause he spent an hour on the phone didnt call 911 till after 12. second timeline hes saying i gave him the P at 10.30 and he was ok until i found him at 12. well as u say the evidence doesnt support him. could he have been that negligent to not realise for upto an hour and 30 that mj was gone? i wont be shocked if he comes up with a new story for this as either timeline incriminates him big time



can you just clarify this. what did murray say he gave on the 22.23.loz by itself? he claimed on the 24th he gave loz and dip and everything was ok when the report shows he didnt give loz on the 24th

That´s from search warrant

"MURRAY felt that JACKSON may have been forming an addiction to PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN),
and tried to wean JACKSON off of the drug.On June 22,2009, two days prior to his death, he gave
JACKSON 25 mg PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN), along with LORAZEPAM (ATIVAN), and MIDAZOLAM
(VERSED). JACKSON was able to sleep with this mixture ofmedications. On June 23, 2009, he gave
JACKSON LORAZEPAM (ATIVAN) and MIDAZOLAM (VERSED) only, withholding any
PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN), and JACKSON was able to sleep."

It means Murray lied - he DID NOT do anything to supposedly "wean Michael off" the "forming addiction" as he DID NOT give him these other drugs the nights before.

 

[daisy]

SO not only he didn´t give him lorazepam the nights before, but he gave him ALL THE DRUGS PPLUS propofol that night. It makes it outrageous again if you think he gave him propofol (probably) at 10 am :doh:

 

[AllForMJ]

I've added some more info to the approximate timeline...

Per Jermaine's statement at the UCLA Medical Center, the paramedics arrived at the Med. Ctr. with MJ at approximately 1:14pm. A team of doctors, including cardiologists, tried for more than 1 hour to resuscitate MJ.

With this info added to the timeline, it gives us an idea of how long MJ was still at the house after the 911 call was made.

To see the updated timeline, click here and scroll down:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86936&page=58


A thought about the beads. I think I remember reading in the autopsy report that the beads were wooden. Doesn't it seem like these are the beads that we saw MJ wearing with that black jacket?

 

[xthunderx2]

Detailed analysis of the information given in the autopsy report compared to other statements/inform

This thread is for us to post..statements/information....that has been made from Murray ..his defense team.....Detailed analysis of the information given in the autopsy report compared to other statements/information that we can find. Everyone's input is of value in this.


Like.....Why did Murray say that Michael called him at 1am saying he was dehydrated and he was not feeling well..but...The dancers from TII says ..that rehearsal went until 1:30am.


* June 25, 2009 was a Thursday

* Wednesday, June 24, 2009, was MJ's last rehearsal for "This Is It"

* Per MJ's dancer, Daniel Celebre, the June 24th rehearsal ended at 1:30 a.m.

* On June 25th, the dancers were all sitting in their dressing rooms ready to start rehearsals when they heard MJ had passed away.

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Detailed analysis of the information given in the autopsy report compared to other statements/in

I hope I posted this in the right spot I was trying to put it on the main page...if I did it wrong can someone please move it..thanks in advance..

 

[Soundmind]

yeah it fits more with the story of i gave it to him then went to the toliet x amount of mins later and came back. yes that could be seen as credible. problem for murray is that hes changed that story and the times. looks like as in 03-05 he told a lie then told another to cover it up and hes lost track of what he said. if u go with the 10.30 timeline of giving it to him then it incriminates him either way. first timeline incriminated him cause he spent an hour on the phone didnt call 911 till after 12. second timeline hes saying i gave him the P at 10.30 and he was ok until i found him at 12. well as u say the evidence doesnt support him. could he have been that negligent to not realise for upto an hour and 30 that mj was gone? i wont be shocked if he comes up with a new story for this as either timeline incriminates him big time



can you just clarify this. what did murray say he gave on the 22.23.loz by itself? he claimed on the 24th he gave loz and dip and everything was ok when the report shows he didnt give loz on the 24th

On June 22, 2009, two days prior to his death, he gaveJACKSON 25 mg PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN), along with LORAZEPAM (ATIVAN), and MIDAZOLAM(VERSED). JACKSON was able to sleep with this mixture of medications. On June 23, 2009, he gaveJACKSON LORAZEPAM (ATIVAN) and MIDAZOLAM (VERSED) only, withholding anyPROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN), and JACKSON was able to sleep.

I think they meant the night before his death he gave him lorazepam and midazolam only , and the previous night propofol ,midazolam and lorazepam .

from the urine , lorazepam was not given on 22, or 23 ( or they meant 23 and 24) as murray claimed . So all this claim about murray being worried MJ was forming an addiction to propofol and trying to wean him off it is not true .


no one use midazolam to wean anyone off anything , using it as a sleep aid was as absurd as using propofol .

By the way did you notice that Murray was trying to hook MJ on benzos ?

He prescribed to him temazepam in december 2008 , it is one of the most addictive benzos availablae in the market and it build a tolerance within days , while metzeger prescribed to MJ clonazepam , a benzo that takes three years to build tolerance .

Then murray prescribed to him lorazepam , again one of the most addictive benzos , then came diazepam . I'm pretty sure Murray mission was to hook MJ on benzos so he would come back to him and PAY for more .

the lidocaine that was found at the house was bought on may,14 .

Did they mention the propofol bottles/vials and midazolam or lorazepam/vilas , when were they bought ? It is very important .

 

[Soundmind]

I hope this is what you want :

medication collected at the scene page 5 and 6

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3286/scene1te.jpg

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7894/scene2wf.jpg


Brought by family (page 10)

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5606/familywy.jpg

recap I've done (I saved it in ODS or XLS format, pm me if you want me to email you with the ODS or XLS). I left out the vitiligo medication, sorted the info in chronological order.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/402/recaph.jpg


some of them dated back to 2008, some of the boxes were empty ...And, more importantly, I doubt everything was prescribed directly to Michael. Given the dates and doctor names, some of this might have been medication that Murray had, but was found in the same room as Michael.

I will try to come back regularly on the thread today, but I won't have much time today.

EDIT **** : I cghanged the links to the images, so you can see them full size. it was a bit useless in my first post, sorry...

thank you very much , but I'm sure they did mention they recovered 12 temazepam bottles from the house , did they mention that in the autopsy report? I only saw one bottle prescribed on dec, 22,2008 .

also any mention of the vials recovered from the scene ?

I have problem Ican't access the report on TMZ , and the one on the smokinggun is not complete , so is there anywhere else to see it ?

by the way , he prescribed to him lorazepam on april, 28, 2009 , out of 30 tablets he used 21 . For him to use propofol obviously lorazepam did not work .

so why then did he decide to give it to him on june,25 ? Why did he believe it would work then ? and if lorazepam did not work , how could he believe diazepam would ? Is that man an idiot or what ? :smilerolleyes:
he knew non of these drugs was working but he kept prescribing them to him and asking him to take them , Murray probably was afraid MJ would give him the boot and wanted to make sure he became addicted to something pretty fast so he would continue to be his doctor . I have a feeling he was not that sure he was going to London .

 

[HeroR]

I think they meant the night before his death he gave him lorazepam and midazolam only , and the previous night propofol ,midazolam and lorazepam .

from the urine , lorazepam was not given on 22, or 23 ( or they meant 23 and 24) as murray claimed . So all this claim about murray being worried MJ was forming an addiction to propofol and trying to wean him off it is not true .


no one use midazolam to wean anyone off anything , using it as a sleep aid was as absurd as using propofol .

By the way did you notice that Murray was trying to hook MJ on benzos ?

He prescribed to him temazepam in december 2008 , it is one of the most addictive benzos availablae in the market and it build a tolerance within days , while metzeger prescribed to MJ clonazepam , a benzo that takes three years to build tolerance .

Then murray prescribed to him lorazepam , again one of the most addictive benzos , then came diazepam . I'm pretty sure Murray mission was to hook MJ on benzos so he would come back to him and PAY for more .

the lidocaine that was found at the house was bought on may,14 .

Did they mention the propofol bottles/vials and midazolam or lorazepam/vilas , when were they bought ? It is very important .

If he was trying to get him hook on other drugs, why would Murray give Michael propofol to begin with. I sure Michael would had used the other drugs if they worked.

 

[abigaillovesmj]

I read the coroner's report. It was one of the most difficult documents I ever read. I felt sick to my stomach when I read it because it is so graphic and I also felt really bad for invading Michael's privacy like that. But that being said I think for those who can stomach it, reading it or at least this thread is important. We need to come to our own conclusions just like it was in the trial. Thank you so much everyone here for explaining things and sharing your knowledge. Thanks especially to all those who explain the medical stuff.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

On June 22, 2009, two days prior to his death, he gaveJACKSON 25 mg PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN), along with LORAZEPAM (ATIVAN), and MIDAZOLAM(VERSED). JACKSON was able to sleep with this mixture of medications. On June 23, 2009, he gaveJACKSON LORAZEPAM (ATIVAN) and MIDAZOLAM (VERSED) only, withholding anyPROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN), and JACKSON was able to sleep. I think they meant the night before his death he gave him lorazepam and midazolam only , and the previous night propofol ,midazolam and lorazepam .

from the urine , lorazepam was not given on 22, or 23 ( or they meant 23 and 24) as murray claimed . So all this claim about murray being worried MJ was forming an addiction to propofol and trying to wean him off it is not true .

thanks i get u now. i see what u mean that murray wanted to act like he didnt kill mj the first time he gave him dip with loz and it also shows he was lieing about the addiction

 

[bouee]

He prescribed to him temazepam in december 2008 , it is one of the most addictive benzos availablae in the market and it build a tolerance within days , while metzeger prescribed to MJ clonazepam , a benzo that takes three years to build tolerance .

Then murray prescribed to him lorazepam , again one of the most addictive benzos , then came diazepam . I'm pretty sure Murray mission was to hook MJ on benzos so he would come back to him and PAY for more .

wow.... my first impression about the dec 2008 drugs was that it might have not been prescribed directly to Michael. It could be that it was a medication that Murray had with him, and was found in the room where Michael was. Does that make sense given the fact that it's a strong drug ??? Was he already prescribing to Michael in dec 2008 ?

I looked up the pharmacy info of all meds prescribed by Murray : Temazepam issued 22dec 08 , Lorazepem (tablets) issued 26th apr 09, Flomax issued 6 mar 09 come from the same pharmacy, in LA (CVS seems to be the name of the pharmacy, it's in LA zip code 90024).
Diazepam issued 20 Jun 09 comes from another CVS pharmacy in LA, zip code 90211.
CVS website : http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/user/home/home.jsp, there's a store locator you can find them using the zip code.

Did they mention the propofol bottles/vials and midazolam or lorazepam/vilas , when were they bought ? It is very important .

No there's no info other than the number of vials and the amount of medication in each vial. They're on pages 7 8 9.

I just saw your other post, I will answer it right now (I'm slow...)

 

[Autumn II]

I read the coroner's report. It was one of the most difficult documents I ever read. I felt sick to my stomach when I read it because it is so graphic and I also felt really bad for invading Michael's privacy like that. But that being said I think for those who can stomach it, reading it or at least this thread is important. We need to come to our own conclusions just like it was in the trial. Thank you so much everyone here for explaining things and sharing your knowledge. Thanks especially to all those who explain the medical stuff.


I have some questions Thanks in advance for anyone who answers them

1. Reading the report I don't understand how Murry could only be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Is there someone in the D.A's office we can turn to ask questions, do they have a spokesperson whose job is to answer journalists? I mean from what I understand all of things Murry did, even when still seen as a mistake can also be classified under murder in the second degree. And if not and involuntary manslaughter is the only charge that fits, why wasn't murry also charged with trying to conceal evidence and sabotage the investigation- he didn't say he administered propofol and waited too long before he called 911 and Michael was probably dead by 11 am in which time who knows what Murry might have done...

2. Could somebody please explain what each drug that was found in Michael's body does and for what it was prescribed? I have no medical knowledge and would really like to know. Some here mentioned that some of the drugs found are used to treat lupus, what are they?

3. Where does it state he had lupus? I was looking for it but didn't find it.

4. About the burns form the Pepsi commercial, where does it mention the burns, is the fact that he was bald in parts of his head because of that or is that not related?

5. do the findings from the amount of porpofol found in Michael's system and urine bladder indicate that he wasn't taking propofol for six weeks? For how long was he taking it then? If what I wrote here is true could someone please explain how can that be deduced from the evidence we have? (Again for those with no medical knowledge).

6. Did Murry first use lorazepam on the night of the 25th? or was it the first time he used it with propofol? How can we know that?

Thansk again for anyone who is willing to answer

I can't answer the pharmacological parts of this, but there those here who can. Anyone? Can you condense those findings? Thanks-in-advance.


The burn scar on his head was NOT mentioned, although tiny scars (one-fourth to one-half inch) WERE mentioned. That seems very strange to me. That was surely his most significant scar, and the report said "his hair was short and tightly curled." It must have been very visible?



It does not state that he had lupus. He had various issues with his lungs that the report said about, "Would have caused adverse health effects." There was inflammation and long-term scarring. That lung damage could have been caused by lupus, but the report does not state the cause.



Propofol was found in blood and urine. It was ALSO found in his stomach, and the fluid in his EYES. Given that it leaves the body very quickly, that would seem to indicate a massive "bolus" (I.V. push), all at once. A "killing" dose, would seem likely. The Involuntary Manslaughter charge is a joke. . .. . . or worse.



It seems obvious that Murray concealed evidence. Why was he not charged with that?

 

[Soundmind]

anyone answer me please , did they mention when midazolam found at the house was bought ? know it was not prescribed to anyone , but when it was bought ? It's very important , those who read the report anything on propofol vials , I know for sue those 8 bottles found were not used that night/morning IMPOSSIBLE from the urine concentration , but WHEN they were bought ? Are they the same bottles he bought on may 14 ? lidocaine found and given that day was bought on may 14, but what about midazolam and porpofol ?

2. Could somebody please explain what each drug that was found in Michael's body does and for what it was prescribed? I have no medical knowledge and would really like to know. Some here mentioned that some of the drugs found are used to treat lupus, what are they?

midazolam is given before propofol usually , that's why it was given . Lorazepam and diazepam are given usually to help someone with moderate sleep problem not SEVERE ONE . Murry tried them before they did not work , so why did he use them that day I don't know . I expressed my opinion , Murray probably was trying to hook MJ on benzos so he would make sure MJ would SIGN his contract and force AEG to do so .

Lidocaine is given with propofol because propofol burns .

5. do the findings from the amount of porpofol found in Michael's system and urine bladder indicate that he wasn't taking propofol for six weeks? For how long was he taking it then? If what I wrote here is true could someone please explain how can that be deduced from the evidence we have? (Again for those with no medical knowledge).

No, it only tells us it was not given for hours THAT NIGHT , I would say even less than half an hour which then it does not make sense , why would he want to sleep at noon ? why it was not used much earlier ?

we need hair samples to know that , they are not published yet .

 

[bouee]

thank you very much , but I'm sure they did mention they recovered 12 temazepam bottles from the house , did they mention that in the autopsy report? I only saw one bottle prescribed on dec, 22,2008

No, I found only one.

also any mention of the vials recovered from the scene ?

a broken syringe 6 empty glass vial of propofol injectable emulsion 1%- empty glass vile (sic ?) of flumazenil injection 0.5 mg/ml pages 5 6 footnotes.
Forensic report :
from syringe collected on 26th june : propofol and lidocaine
from 4 components of an IV sytem collected on 29th june b: propofol lidocaine flumazenil in a 10cc syringe and from an IV tube. An IV tube and an IV bag with no drugs.

I have problem Ican't access the report on TMZ , and the one on the smokinggun is not complete , so is there anywhere else to see it ?

I have saved it on my hard drive (TMZ one), i can email it to you, send me a pm if you want. [/QUOTE]