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RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS is generally caused by smoking but can be found in kids.
well, it is assoctiated with Lupus in nonsmokers -_-
RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS is generally caused by smoking but can be found in kids.
That he can´t fall asleep?
I would normally expect that he gets home, if not to bed and only then decides he´s got sleeping problems.
that's our own fault for believing Murray was there only to make MJ sleep , MJ needed someone with medical experience to give him IV fluids , he previously suffered many times from dehydration and almost died . He was not there AS HE CLAIMED to inject him with propofol everyday for six weeks, he was there to give him fluids through an IV .
it was listed as a contributing factor so yes it was fully working , but I did not understand why it was not in hospital blood .It makes sense that Michael needed to re-hydrate after the demanding rehersals he must have been exhausted.
Soundmind, do you think lorazepam was fully working at the time when Michael was given propofol, if it´s not even in the liver? Or we can´t say?
I have a question. In the pulmonary consultation (pages 22-23 of 51) it states the following:
The above findings reflect a depletion of structural and functional reserves of the lung. Reserve depletion is the result of widespread respiratory bronchiolitis and chronic ling inflammation in association with fibrocollagenous scars and organizing/recanalizing thromboemboli os small arteries.
It should be noted that the above lung injury with reserve loss is not considered to be a direct or contributing cause of death. However, such an individual would be especially susceptible to adverse health effects.
What does it mean? and especially what does it mean that someone with that in his lungs would be susceptible to adverse health effects? What could it cause? was it dangerous? I mean we saw Michael practicing for This Is It and he didn't seem to have any problems breathing and from what I understand this is a condition that he had for a long time and we didn't see any problems in the history tour and such...
Thanks to anyone who answers
it was listed as a contributing factor so yes it was fully working , but I did not understand why it was not in hospital blood .
heart blood is taken during the autopsy , I read the peripheral blood is much more accurate in many cases, I don't know what was the significance if there was any
Probably the reason why MJ lip-synched a number of his songs in concert..his lungs were not optimal. If he got a lower respiratory tract infection he may have a harder time than others.
I don't think Murray was just there to give IV fluids because he had O2 tanks with him.
Thread closed for cleaning and possible 7 day bans.
MJJC is impartial to accuse otherwise you will seriously be offending me,
And yes I to am becoming sick of this will to hate and scathe those who are not in agreement with either the conspiracy/fantasy theories or that of facts that are known.
If I see one member personally attack stalk accuse (being pro murray/working for murray/AEG/Sony) and vice versa based on their standing on how Michael's life took shape in his last days and months, you will be removed from this fan club.
I will to the bitter end protect and support any member of my community irrelevant of your thoughts and theories.
Now this thread will be cleaned today and my moderation team will remove threads using the words disrespect, if I get to ten you will be removed for 7 days for those who have ignored my request not a week ago.
Is it at all possible that Michael called from his cell phone at the Staples Center?
Lupus isnt even mentioned in the autopsy so how are people supposed to make the connection.well, it is assoctiated with Lupus in nonsmokers -_-
I agree it's odd but maybe just the symptomsare mentioned like michael had pleurisy but i don't think the autopsy mentions it specifically. Maybe this is another reason some family mambers want the medical records.Lupus isnt even mentioned in the autopsy so how are people supposed to make the connection.
And to say that Michael wasn't examined for Lupus is ridiculous being it was a medical condition he had that would be in his medical files. Vitiligo was mentioned in the autopsy and so should have Lupus.
I agree it's odd but maybe just the symptomsare mentioned like michael had pleurisy but i don't think the autopsy mentions it specifically. Maybe this is another reason some family mambers want the medical records.
Lupus isnt even mentioned in the autopsy so how are people supposed to make the connection.
And to say that Michael wasn't examined for Lupus is ridiculous being it was a medical condition he had that would be in his medical files. Vitiligo was mentioned in the autopsy and so should have Lupus.
That's one possibility but wasn't he diagnoised with lupus by a doctor so one can agrue that the coroner should have associated they sympotoms with Lupus.u cant just cut someone up and go ''oh he's got lupus'' it doesn't work like that Michael had symptoms which may or may not have been associated with lupus. though lupus causes some problems for the person suffering from it it's not like a tumor which is visible.
Read your post , you suggested it was one of the ODD things in the autopsy and it's related to smokers . I said it's associated with lupus in nonsmokers , so where was the odd thing about it ?
whether they stated lupus or not , I care less, they did their job and mentioned all of his health problems . lupus meant vitiligo+ respiratory bronchiolitis...etc
No need to argue more over this issue , you made your point clear and I made my point clear , we shall leave it up to the other members to believe what they want .
Lupus isnt even mentioned in the autopsy so how are people supposed to make the connection.
And to say that Michael wasn't examined for Lupus is ridiculous being it was a medical condition he had that would be in his medical files. Vitiligo was mentioned in the autopsy and so should have Lupus.
You're mood describes your post here. No need to be angry/hostile or on the attack. Please calm down.
All ailments and diseases need to be documented just like vitiligo is. It has to be there in black and white.
The symtoms where there and Michael's medical history which they should have for reference should have allowed them to note that he had Lupus. It does not. Its that simple.
Would the autopsy report consult with medical records though? Isn't it simply an observation of the body at the time of death?
The same 2 against the grain hey? Im not getting caught up in that again thanx Beachlover and Soundmind. Ive said it and Im out.........................
I think lip syncing is done a lot more than we realize and not just Michael, but many entertainers do it when they have to dance hard during a song. Its near impossible to do aerobics and sing well.
True. You cannot look to lip syncing and say that the reason is because he had a problem with his lungs.
Like you said many performers use lip syncing because
- it is hard to both sing and dance and it leaves you out of breath. once you start panting, gasping believe me it does not sound nice over the sound system.
- some artists do not sound as well as they do on recordings - (although I'm sure that this does not apply to Michael). recordings are either the best takes or engineered to sound better so some artists may not have that good live singing abilities and therefore they lip sync.
- tours (singing for several hours every other day for a long period of time) eventually take its toll on most artist and their voice and vocal chords become strained, they lose their voice, it gets hoarse etc. so many times artists will lip sync a part of (or even full)concerts to preserve/ rest / heal their voice.