Dangerous 25: what would you like to see happen? [UNCONFIRMED]

[barbee0715]

^^Wow. I've never seen this Toyko one before. I loved it.

 

[Tygger]

Personally, I would like to know your opinion about this possible anniversary release.

Thanks. I will take some time to read the posts in the thread and return.

Speaking in general terms, I cannot truly say I am interested in any release from Estate/Sony at this point minus a full length concert in pristine condition with an accompanying live CD; preferably Victory and Triumph. If this is considered a deluded wish, so be it.

By the way, is this discussion based on rumors from MJ Beats? Can someone please respond if there were any rumored release(s) publicized by MJ Beats that actually occurred? I would like to know their track record on exclusives.

 

[Galactus123]

Yeah one of the Tokyo concerts would be great. Maybe the one where Michael had red shirt:

It might be the Christmas Eve concert.

 

[KOPV]

That's why I'm saying I think it's best to release a Dangerous tour DVD as a single concert but editing in select performances (The Way You Make Me Feel and Bad) to make a full concert with it.. They could collect performances that have only been online as amateur footage.

 

[Galactus123]

That's why I'm saying I think it's best to release a Dangerous tour DVD as a single concert but editing in select performances (The Way You Make Me Feel and Bad) to make a full concert with it.. They could collect performances that have only been online as amateur footage.

Or maybe they could release 2 concerts in one package. One from 1992 with Bad and TWYMMF and one from 1993.

 

[analogue]

Or maybe they could release 2 concerts in one package. One from 1992 with Bad and TWYMMF and one from 1993.

I think it would be best if they released a show from 92 (preferably one with BAD and TWYMMF) and then have Dangerous from 93 as a bonus feature

 

[mj_frenzy]

Thanks. I will take some time to read the posts in the thread and return.

Speaking in general terms, I cannot truly say I am interested in any release from Estate/Sony at this point minus a full length concert in pristine condition with an accompanying live CD; preferably Victory and Triumph. If this is considered a deluded wish, so be it.

By the way, is this discussion based on rumors from MJ Beats? Can someone please respond if there were any rumored release(s) publicized by MJ Beats that actually occurred? I would like to know their track record on exclusives.

I have to admit that your wish although sounds to me a bit unusual, it is really an interesting one.

Regarding your question, this discussion (& this thread in general) is based on anything that comes to light in relation to a possible anniversary ‘Dangerous 25’ edition (official news, announcements, rumors, etc.).

It goes without saying that, given the lack of relevant official news, fans can at the same time express their wishes/desires about the material (visual &/or audio) that will be included in this possible anniversary release.

Unfortunately, I cannot provide an answer to your question about the reliability of ‘MJ Beats’. Generally speaking, I cannot be sure about anything as long as it remains officially unconfirmed.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Anything preceding Thriller to me is entirely disposable. I've never been particularly interested in the Jacksons or their music, and probably wouldn't be bothered to pick up any of their releases. Michael's presence is strong enough but I would find myself skipping over the filler. But that's just me.

Though I still struggle to understand exactly why we're debating for another Dangerous concert, I admit I would probably rally behind Monza 1992, simply because of the excellent live ad-libs during The Way You Make Me Feel:

[video]https://youtu.be/50VOb0l5nwo?t=312[/video]

They start at approx. 5:12, though the above video should begin at that time frame.

 

[Galactus123]

Another 1992 concert would be great because I have never really liked Bucharest. Michael's performance is amazing but the editing ruins the concert. Many times when Michael is dancing it just cuts to the audience. Also I don't really like the audio. Buenos Aires and TWYMMF from Tokyo sound a lot better.

 

[analogue]

I've never been particularly interested in the Jacksons or their music, and probably wouldn't be bothered to pick up any of their releases.

You should really check out the Destiny and Triumph albums. They're fantastic

Sorry for going off topic, but I love those albums lol

 

[TinnyandOdd]

I have never really liked Bucharest. Michael's performance is amazing but the editing ruins the concert. Many times when Michael is dancing it just cuts to the audience. Also I don't really like the audio.

Dat whistle though :whistle2:

 

[barbee0715]

Another 1992 concert would be great because I have never really liked Bucharest. Michael's performance is amazing but the editing ruins the concert. Many times when Michael is dancing it just cuts to the audience. Also I don't really like the audio. Buenos Aires and TWYMMF from Tokyo sound a lot better.

Agreed. I've never made it past the first 20 minutes-I can watch any version of "Bad Tour" all day or all night long-and Destiny and Triumph and Victory.
I'd love to see this Tokyo show if this TWYMMF is any indication.

 

[Tygger]

I have to admit that your wish although sounds to me a bit unusual, it is really an interesting one.

MJ_Frenzy, not unusual. I would LOVE an ultimate live collection that spans Michael's full musical career. It is the only way a fan can see the growth of this artist with their own eyes. I have my own makeshift collection however; an official release would be grand and support Michael the artist.

So there is no Dangerous re-release pending at all. I will take some time to review the thread however; most demos for Dangerous have been heard on YT and Michael already released a Dangerous concert (in great quality too) so I have no true interest unless a documentary was completed about the era. The documentary is the only interesting item in the OTW re-release for me at this point.

Anything preceding Thriller to me is entirely disposable. I've never been particularly interested in the Jacksons or their music, and probably wouldn't be bothered to pick up any of their releases. Michael's presence is strong enough but I would find myself skipping over the filler. But that's just me.

Your view but, you truly are missing quite a bit of Michael's musical career and why he was legendary before OTW was released. He was considered a king with Thriller. His work with his brothers is the reason he is in the RnRHoF twice.

 

[AlwaysThere]

You should really check out the Destiny and Triumph albums. They're fantastic

Sorry for going off topic, but I love those albums lol

I do find myself jamming out to Walk Right Now quite often but on the whole I've always felt the Jacksons paled in comparison to Michael musically. I could have a good time with their music beyond a doubt and wouldn't mind owning a concert DVD, but it's far from the top of my list.

I haven't listened to Destiny in some time though - I'll get on that!

Your view but, you truly are missing quite a bit of Michael's musical career and why he was legendary before OTW was released. He was considered a king with Thriller. His work with his brothers is the reason he is in the RnRHoF twice.

Oh, I fully acknowledge and pay respect to the Jacksons for essentially making Michael Jackson the legend he is. I would never try to discredit them. I just always found them to be largely behind Michael in terms of entertainment value.

But then again, that's just me!

 

[Tygger]

I do find myself jamming out to Walk Right Now quite often but on the whole I've always felt the Jacksons paled in comparison to Michael musically.

I just always found them to be largely behind Michael in terms of entertainment value.

AlwaysThere, I see. You believe Michael is somehow separate and apart from the J5/Jacksons but, that is not true. Michael, was, is, and will always be the J5/Jacksons front man. His passing cannot change that, he cannot be extracted from that history successfully, and I do not believe there is a benefit in doing so. In fact, I believe it causes damage to Michael's musical legacy. Michael has never attempted to diminish that portion of his history; in fact he cherished it.

Tis your view and there is much more I can say but, it would be considered off-topic.

 

[innuendo141]

Another 1992 concert would be great because I have never really liked Bucharest. Michael's performance is amazing but the editing ruins the concert. Many times when Michael is dancing it just cuts to the audience. Also I don't really like the audio. Buenos Aires and TWYMMF from Tokyo sound a lot better.

The bass in Billie Jean in Buenos Aires is fatally aggressive! One of the best sounding Billie Jean live bass lines ive heard- reminds me of the Victory Tour Billie Jean RIPJam- loud, slightly distored and aggressive.

Also, love how loud the ".... LET'S WORK!!!!" is at the breakdown in Buenos Aires.

 

[mj_frenzy]

Another 1992 concert would be great because I have never really liked Bucharest. Michael's performance is amazing but the editing ruins the concert. Many times when Michael is dancing it just cuts to the audience. Also I don't really like the audio. Buenos Aires and TWYMMF from Tokyo sound a lot better.

It is said that the Buenos Aires 1993 concert has the best interaction with the girl on stage.

Also, I agree about the Bucharest 1992 show.

On a technical level, I think they went overboard with it. This concert is over-edited, over-mixed while the innumerable shots from the audience divert attention & thus do more harm than good to the cohesion of the overall visual experience.

MJ_Frenzy, not unusual. I would LOVE an ultimate live collection that spans Michael's full musical career. It is the only way a fan can see the growth of this artist with their own eyes. I have my own makeshift collection however; an official release would be grand and support Michael the artist.

So there is no Dangerous re-release pending at all. I will take some time to review the thread however; most demos for Dangerous have been heard on YT and Michael already released a Dangerous concert (in great quality too) so I have no true interest unless a documentary was completed about the era. The documentary is the only interesting item in the OTW re-release for me at this point.

I agree with this very much about those two tours (‘Triumph’ & ‘Victory&#8217.

Personally, what I like most in those two tours is the eagerness that MJ shows on stage. If I had to choose one of them as an official release, I would opt for the ‘Victory’ Tour.

Regarding the album ‘Dangerous’, MJ recorded a great number of songs only to leave them out of that record. As a result, there are, still, many unheard demos & early or unreleased versions of songs from the ‘Dangerous’ era. We should not forget that, for the first time of his career, he gained full control of the creative/production process (or, at least, a very big part of it) as a way also to show that his (until that point) success was not because of his heavy reliance on other producers.

 

[AlwaysThere]

AlwaysThere, I see. You believe Michael is somehow separate and apart from the J5/Jacksons but, that is not true. Michael, was, is, and will always be the J5/Jacksons front man. His passing cannot change that, he cannot be extracted from that history successfully, and I do not believe there is a benefit in doing so. In fact, I believe it causes damage to Michael's musical legacy. Michael has never attempted to diminish that portion of his history; in fact he cherished it.

Tis your view and there is much more I can say but, it would be considered off-topic.

Again, I would never dare try to separate the two. Michael was largely dependent on the Jacksons/Jackson 5 - without their immense popularity he would not have become the King of Pop. I am talking strictly in terms of personal enjoyment of their music. I've always found Michael's solo material to be more enjoyable. I do not consider him a separate entity nor do I consider them a mediocre band; I simply prefer Michael. But, as you said, very off topic. That is for another thread entirely.

 

[Smoore]

Personally I think Bucharest's audio mix needs to be revamped. I would love a much drier mix instead of what sounds like I'm right at the stadium. I mean, of course I want it to sound live. But not overly live..

 

[mj_frenzy]

I will take some time to review the thread however; most demos for Dangerous have been heard on YT and Michael already released a Dangerous concert (in great quality too) so I have no true interest unless a documentary was completed about the era.

It strikes me that you are particularly fond of the early (before ‘Off The Wall&#8217 years.

As regards ‘Dangerous’, personally, I am interested mainly in ‘behind the scenes’ visual material, footage that has to do with the creation/making of that album, in other words, in studio footage. If such type of footage comes with some (for example, 10 -12) authentic tracks from those recording sessions that, either never evolved to final versions (demos, early versions), or, they were final versions but failed to make the album (outtakes) then I would be more than satisfied.

On the other hand, I am not interested at all in material that is consisted of contemporary, young artists talking aimlessly & endlessly about MJ & his artistic influence on them. I do not want at all a possible ‘Dangerous’ anniversary release to act as a promoting/marketing vehicle in favor of artists other than MJ. Also, it makes no difference to me if a 1992 (or 1993) live concert, regardless of its quality, gets or not an official release, to put it another way, I am not obsessed with any live release.

My question to you has to do with your expectations (or a specific wish) concerning the included material of a possible ‘Dangerous’ documentary.

 

[Tygger]

Personally, what I like most in those two tours is the eagerness that MJ shows on stage. If I had to choose one of them as an official release, I would opt for the ‘Victory’ Tour.

Indeed I will not choose! I continue to smugly and greedily believe I deserve both in pristine condition! laughs

Regarding the album ‘Dangerous’, MJ recorded a great number of songs only to leave them out of that record. As a result, there are, still, many unheard demos & early or unreleased versions of songs from the ‘Dangerous’ era.

As regards ‘Dangerous’, personally, I am interested mainly in ‘behind the scenes’ visual material, footage that has to do with the creation/making of that album, in other words, in studio footage.

My question to you has to do with your expectations (or a specific wish) concerning the included material of a possible ‘Dangerous’ documentary.

Are there any other demos minus the demos on YT? Of course I would want to hear those however; it is the same situation with OTW and Bad25 before that. Demos in and of themselves are not enough for a financially successful project. Demos need context. Demos have to be packaged in a manner that is desirable for the purchaser. Xscape did that. I am NOT saying remixing is necessary for a possible Dangerous re-release (and eventually OTW). I am simply saying Estate/Sony discovered a pleasing manner to package Xscape demos which resulted in its financial success.

A documentary focusing on the creation of this album as you described above (as with Bad25 and eventually OTW) or a live concert sweetens the release for me. I am unsure of the quantity of studio footage for any of these releases however; whatever is available (as was shown in Bad25) would be grand!

Views from the album’s contributors are very important. I believe commentary from others not involved in the album’s production is necessary to put certain points made by the album’s contributors into context. Of course, there should be much more discretion as to who is allowed to contribute to that commentary. Otherwise there will be more ridiculous comments from contemporary artists. I would prefer commentary from Michael’s contemporaries (Prince for example) instead of contemporary artists (Bieber).

With that said and in the instance of Dangerous, a live concert was already officially released. (With OTW there was not an official release of a concert which is why I wanted an official release of a Triumph concert to accompany the re-release and documentary.) I would prefer a documentary and a re-release of the Dangerous album with unheard demos.

We should not forget that, for the first time of his career, he gained full control of the creative/production process (or, at least, a very big part of it) as a way also to show that his (until that point) success was not because of his heavy reliance on other producers.

I understand however; he did that with his brothers.

It strikes me that you are particularly fond of the early (before ‘Off The Wall&#8217 years.

I treasure Michael’s full career. There are moments I listen exclusively to Invincible or Skywriter for examples. Currently I am in a Triumph mood. As the festive season approaches, I will begin loops of the J5 Christmas album.

I will say there is something truly special about five individuals with a common goal. In this situation, the five individuals are related and their unique, God-given, five-part harmonies are simply unrivaled. There is magic in that cohesion and it can be heard quite easily on Triumph. It saddens me that the brothers allow egos and others to destroy the Victory album. Fortunately, those negative forces did not destroy the Victory tour!

I've always found Michael's solo material to be more enjoyable.

Only post-Thriller? Could it be you prefer what some may consider the more pop inclined material compared to what some may consider the more R/B inclined material? I remember when Dangerous was originally released; the pop MJ fan versus the R/B MJ fan battle began!

 

[AlwaysThere]

Only post-Thriller? Could it be you prefer what some may consider the more pop inclined material compared to what some may consider the more R/B inclined material? I remember when Dangerous was originally released; the pop MJ fan versus the R/B MJ fan battle began!

Oh no, just in general! My personal favorites are predominantly anything on Bad and onward but Thriller and Off the Wall are nonetheless great records. My taste has always been quite pop/R&B/soul oriented so the bulk of his material is right up my alley!

I can only imagine the quarrel that came when Michael branched beyond his pop landscape. I can only imagine what it was like to listen to Dangerous not only musically but lyrically - those straight forward love songs (e.g., Baby Be Mine, Rock With You, P.Y.T., I Can't Help It) were eradicated entirely in favor of something more aggressive and provocative (e.g., In the Closet, Give in to Me, Remember the Time).

Not that that makes the songs any less enjoyable, but the difference is striking.

 

[Tygger]

^^Ah! The arguments about the production of Dangerous late 1991; good times! The arguments then between MJ fans were much more good-nature than they are now so I should preface with that disclaimer. I cannot speak for every MJ fan at the time; I can only speak to my experience and memories.

The arguments stemmed more from production than lyrics. Of course Michael’s lyrics became more mature and more forward as he and his fans aged; that was expected and welcomed. Many automatically viewed those songs as love songs without questioning the lyrics because Michael was known for singing about nothing else but love. The media saw Michael as a man-child, not the fans.

It was the dueling productions of Teddy Riley/MJ and others/MJ. Riley was noted for New Jack Swing and Michael was (is) legend. Fans questioned how Riley could make a legend into a NJS artist after successfully molding newer artists into NJS artists almost single-handed. The Riley/MJ production went beyond Riley and MJ fans’ expectations. Together, they went to another level altogether where both talents shined cohesively instead of one absorbing the other.

I believe Michael knew what he and Riley created because he purposefully placed HTW directly after CLHGA. To this day, that transition still plays as an audio slap to the face. Imagine a documentary discussing Michael's decision and reasoning to place HTW after CLHGA! Lyrically, there was little difference; it was one love song (to a woman) after another (to the world).

Again, arguments at that time was much more good-nature then. While some fans leaned more towards the Riley/MJ productions than others/MJ, the album in full was still enjoyed. No one skipped other/MJ productions only to arrive at the Riley/MJ’s Dangerous and vice versa.

It was a fun debate to have at the time.

 

[001FAB]

I'm very sure they will release "Dangerous 25th anniversary" just like they did with "Thriller" and "Bad ".

But like previously mentioned I don't expect them to put a lot on money into it.
I guess we won't truly know until nov '16.
Nothing was released when "Off The Wall" turned 25 in 2004.
They didn't really release anything special with "Thriller 25" just a few new recorded songs and a few unreleased demos.
I thought the "Bad 25" had more promo and cool stuff like the Documentary ,the limited edition leather case, the Bad Live Concert.

So hopefully they make this release more like the "Bad 25" one with cool extras!

 

[mj_frenzy]

Indeed I will not choose! I continue to smugly and greedily believe I deserve both in pristine condition! laughs

Are there any other demos minus the demos on YT? Of course I would want to hear those however; it is the same situation with OTW and Bad25 before that. Demos in and of themselves are not enough for a financially successful project. Demos need context. Demos have to be packaged in a manner that is desirable for the purchaser. Xscape did that. I am NOT saying remixing is necessary for a possible Dangerous re-release (and eventually OTW). I am simply saying Estate/Sony discovered a pleasing manner to package Xscape demos which resulted in its financial success.

A documentary focusing on the creation of this album as you described above (as with Bad25 and eventually OTW) or a live concert sweetens the release for me. I am unsure of the quantity of studio footage for any of these releases however; whatever is available (as was shown in Bad25) would be grand!

Views from the album’s contributors are very important. I believe commentary from others not involved in the album’s production is necessary to put certain points made by the album’s contributors into context. Of course, there should be much more discretion as to who is allowed to contribute to that commentary. Otherwise there will be more ridiculous comments from contemporary artists. I would prefer commentary from Michael’s contemporaries (Prince for example) instead of contemporary artists (Bieber).

With that said and in the instance of Dangerous, a live concert was already officially released. (With OTW there was not an official release of a concert which is why I wanted an official release of a Triumph concert to accompany the re-release and documentary.) I would prefer a documentary and a re-release of the Dangerous album with unheard demos.

I am really glad that you appreciate the value of a well-compiled, fan-oriented documentary along with a re-release of the ‘Dangerous’ album that is consisted also of unheard demos!

With regard to your question, I am pretty sure there are many other demos except for those that are already available on YT. By all accounts, the ‘Dangerous’ era was the most prolific one (in terms of the recorded material). This has been well documented over the years from various, different sources, apart from MJ himself (producers, sound engineers, artists that collaborated with MJ on that project, record company’s executives, news reports, etc.). Also, it is safe to say that MJ, at one stage, recorded over 70 tracks during the ‘Dangerous’ project.

From a marketing point of view, I agree that demos in their rawest form are not aimed at the general audience, an audience that can significantly boost the sales of any type of release (anniversary, posthumous, etc.). But, at the same time, I am really happy that you are opposed to any attempt of remixing/vandalizing the authentic tracks, although it seems rather inevitable that a release (‘Dangerous 25’, for example) will have to undergo some kind of contemporization in order to appeal to the young listeners, too. In this case, I hope that a hard-core fan edition will also get an anniversary release so as to get all that mouth-watering ‘behind the scenes/demos/outtakes’ bonus material.

As far as commentary is concerned, I agree that it has to come from MJ’s contemporaries, instead of contemporary artists. In my opinion, a possible ‘Dangerous’ documentary has to enlighten fans on how that album was born & gradually became the album we all know. Personally, I would like to hear also comments from artists that one way or another linked themselves with the ‘Dangerous’ project (LL Cool J, Babyface, L.A. Reid, for example).

For me, the ‘Dangerous’ album offers the greatest opportunity in terms of a possible anniversary release. I hope that Estate/Sony will not squander its potential by releasing off-base bonus material.

I treasure Michael’s full career. There are moments I listen exclusively to Invincible or Skywriter for examples. Currently I am in a Triumph mood. As the festive season approaches, I will begin loops of the J5 Christmas album.

I will say there is something truly special about five individuals with a common goal. In this situation, the five individuals are related and their unique, God-given, five-part harmonies are simply unrivaled. There is magic in that cohesion and it can be heard quite easily on Triumph. It saddens me that the brothers allow egos and others to destroy the Victory album. Fortunately, those negative forces did not destroy the Victory tour!

It has always seemed to me that even when MJ performed with his brothers it was still a one-man show (my opinion on that matter is based exclusively on the available video material). To my mind, it was MJ who stole the show & it was MJ who enticed/mesmerized the audience whereas his brothers seemed to resort to other kind of on-stage acts (gaudy clothes, pantomime, etc.) in an effort to hide their lack of talent when it came to performing.

Thankfully, MJ decided to follow a solo career, otherwise this would have amounted to one of the biggest, missed opportunities of all time. I think there is no denying in that.

Needless to say, I respect your great admiration (if not adoration) that you have (also) for his brothers.

 

[Tygger]

It has always seemed to me that even when MJ performed with his brothers it was still a one-man show (my opinion on that matter is based exclusively on the available video material). To my mind, it was MJ who stole the show & it was MJ who enticed/mesmerized the audience whereas his brothers seemed to resort to other kind of on-stage acts (gaudy clothes, pantomime, etc.) in an effort to hide their lack of talent when it came to performing.

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Tis your view to have however; I strongly disagree with it. As the lead singer and front man for the group Michael was suppose to be center of attention. Group members are to support the lead and Michael's brothers did that masterfully. Group members who attempt to outshine the front man ironically lead the group on a straight path to disaster. See N'Sync who patterned themselves after J5.

One only has to look at the credits on Jackson albums to see the groups' effort was not the result of one individual. To appreciate and acknowledge the group effort and the teamwork of the Jackson brothers does not diminish any individual in the group.

 

[mj_frenzy]

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Tis your view to have however; I strongly disagree with it. As the lead singer and front man for the group Michael was suppose to be center of attention. Group members are to support the lead and Michael's brothers did that masterfully. Group members who attempt to outshine the front man ironically lead the group on a straight path to disaster. See N'Sync who patterned themselves after J5.

One only has to look at the credits on Jackson albums to see the groups' effort was not the result of one individual. To appreciate and acknowledge the group effort and the teamwork of the Jackson brothers does not diminish any individual in the group.

I find it rather unrealistic that any group (even when it is consisted of members of the same family) is completely devoid of problems/serious disagreements that can have an adverse effect on the group’s overall image/success.

In other words, inner conflicts are more or less inescapable even when, as you said, the group members try to support the lead singer (for example, the disagreement over the ‘Torture’ music clip that resulted in that video’s final version).

But, getting back on topic, I think the ‘Dangerous’ concerts proved that MJ was meant to be something more than just a lead singer of a group & I think you agree on that.

 

[innuendo141]

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Tis your view to have however; I strongly disagree with it. As the lead singer and front man for the group Michael was suppose to be center of attention. Group members are to support the lead and Michael's brothers did that masterfully. Group members who attempt to outshine the front man ironically lead the group on a straight path to disaster. See N'Sync who patterned themselves after J5.

One only has to look at the credits on Jackson albums to see the groups' effort was not the result of one individual. To appreciate and acknowledge the group effort and the teamwork of the Jackson brothers does not diminish any individual in the group.

I agree.

A good theory to back this up would be the Diana Ross & The Supremes "Reunion" tour, which featured Supremes that were never in the group at the same point as Diana. Even though Diana is still a legend and sells out her solo tours, fans weren't willing to go see half assed Supremed EVEN THOUGH Diana sang all of the main hits, almost.

I wouldn't have any interest in seeing Levi Stubbs minus the rest of the Four Tops, even though he was the voice and the power. The other 4/5 Jacksons played their roles well in the group. They danced, and sang well, and really complimented Michael's originality, giving him the base to expand and grow in the eyes of the public. The Jackson 5/Jacksons deserve a lot more credit than they are given in the community.

 

[Tygger]

Innuendo141, I was about to respond but, your post is pitch perfect. Bravo!

 

[mj_frenzy]

I'm very sure they will release "Dangerous 25th anniversary" just like they did with "Thriller" and "Bad ".

But like previously mentioned I don't expect them to put a lot on money into it.
I guess we won't truly know until nov '16.
Nothing was released when "Off The Wall" turned 25 in 2004.
They didn't really release anything special with "Thriller 25" just a few new recorded songs and a few unreleased demos.
I thought the "Bad 25" had more promo and cool stuff like the Documentary ,the limited edition leather case, the Bad Live Concert.

So hopefully they make this release more like the "Bad 25" one with cool extras!

I am very sure too that they will release a ‘Dangerous 25th anniversary’ (just like they did with ‘Thriller 25’ and ‘Bad 25&#8217.

In my opinion, ‘Thriller 25’ was celebrated in the worst possible way.

Those remixes subtracted rather than added to that anniversary release & I think its commercial success was because of people who were only interested in the originals tracks.

One only has to look at the credits on Jackson albums to see the groups' effort was not the result of one individual. To appreciate and acknowledge the group effort and the teamwork of the Jackson brothers does not diminish any individual in the group.

I am not trying to discredit or diminish anyone.

But, at the same time, I refuse to accept that MJ enjoyed such levels of success/adoration mainly because of the support of his brothers, or even, that they were as talented as MJ in various artistic fields.

I agree.

A good theory to back this up would be the Diana Ross & The Supremes "Reunion" tour, which featured Supremes that were never in the group at the same point as Diana. Even though Diana is still a legend and sells out her solo tours, fans weren't willing to go see half assed Supremed EVEN THOUGH Diana sang all of the main hits, almost.

I wouldn't have any interest in seeing Levi Stubbs minus the rest of the Four Tops, even though he was the voice and the power. The other 4/5 Jacksons played their roles well in the group. They danced, and sang well, and really complimented Michael's originality, giving him the base to expand and grow in the eyes of the public. The Jackson 5/Jacksons deserve a lot more credit than they are given in the community.

I find these correlations rather irrelevant.

Also, MJ had already grown & expanded artistically years before his split from the group.

Finally, they had their chance to prove that they deserved much more appreciation/success without their front man but they failed emphatically. For example, their ‘2300 Jackson Street’ album went unnoticed while a tour without the physical support from MJ seemed not only impossible but also commercially disastrous.