[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^^^

Spot on! First sign that the "act" actually wasnt love is when MJ was on trial for wrongdoing and yet this fool didnt realize it? Lmao. Get outta here with that BS.

If you have constantly been asked about it, been part of two investigations, taken part in a trial and have a proesuction at a trial trying to ask you sneaky question that will put a doubt in your head ("would MJ grab your crotch in a similar manner as in his shortfilms/maybe he touched you when you were sleeping you wouldnt have know, now would you") wont you say 'YES' if that was the truth since you had no idea it wasnt a wrong thing to do and that you were just telling the truth??
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He says this:

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I also have to say this... IF this is what MJ allegedly told Wade over the phone, how is it even incriminating? MJ says ppl are out to get him, there are lies going around about him and Wade and they need to fight to both clear their names... just as how Mac Culkin was pissed that someone was lying about him and his name was dragged into the mess in 2005 and wanted to set the record straight.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade claims Michael coached him both in 1993 and 2005. He basically claims in his lawsuit that Michael's "brainwashing" had the exact same effect on him at the age of 22 as when he was 11. So he is ready to even seem retarded to get to the money he wants...

He says this:

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How does it make sense that supposedly you both know the guy molested you, you believe it to be "love", yet your alleged abuser calls it lies that people make up about you? And instead of love he calls it a disgusting sexual stuff. Yet it still never occurs to you as a 22-year-old that something is wrong with that?

Exactly what I was thinking. When Michael allegedly said this WR was an adult who would know what sexual stuff is, he would know exactly what was meant and if he had been told that whatever happened between them (nothing) was loving and beautiful why would Michael have used the word disgusting.

Wade Robson is a piece if sh*t and I hope this just get throws out, however I do then fear that Robson will then do the rounds on the interview circuit to obtain the money he clearly so desperately needs.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even if he does that. no one will care but the usual haters.
 
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I also have to say this... IF this is what MJ allegedly told Wade over the phone, how is it even incriminating? MJ says ppl are out to get him, there are lies going around about him and Wade and they need to fight to both clear their names... just as how Mac Culkin was pissed that someone was lying about him and his name was dragged into the mess in 2005 and wanted to set the record straight.

Yes, I even wondered if Wade has a taped phone convo in which MJ talks about how people are saying these lies about them and this disgusting sexual stuff and whether Wade will use that tape and try to say it's "brainwashing"? Because I don't even know why he mentions it this way in his lawsuit as it's rather exonerating to MJ not incriminating. He calls it lies and disgusting sexual stuff - that's far from admitting it, on the contrary! If he molested you then you both know he did it. So then why would he call it "lies" when you talk to one another on the phone? When you talk to someone about something you both know to be true you won't call that a lie in a conversation with that person. Or why would he call it disgusting sexual stuff if all this time he was telling you it was love? It's just so off from his story that I wonder if he has such a tape where MJ calls it lies and disgusting sexual stuff and if he intends to use that tape, only trying to twist its meaning and say it was a brainwashing session?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But why would you be aksking his estate for information they have about Michael talking to you if you already have it?
 
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But why would you be aksking his estate for information they have about Michael talking to you if you already have it?
Same reason why you would be asking the estate to helpfully send you information about 'mj's sexual activity with minors'. Wade's lawyer is just trolling, sending inflammatory requests for info and leaking his letters to tabloid websites, designed to ratchet up the pressure to get a settlement and deflect from the media story about his client being caught out in having to lie about when he knew about the estate.

Again as I stated before he is accusing Michael of criminal behavior he is also IMO accusing people like Weitzman, Branca, andb McClain of helping Michael cover it up. Think about it why would they even have what he is asking for?
It's not just your opinion he's accusing other people, Wade has to accuse other employees of mj of being complicit in the abuse he says he suffered from mj for his court cases. If this claim against the estate is thrown out, he's got another 2 claims against mj companies. To get round those requirements of sueing a company where the abuser is dead, he has to successfully prove that employees knew mj was an abuser and did nothing to prevent it. Just the fact there were allegations against mj in 93 will not be enough, although maybe wade is hoping it will be. Maybe they feel confident because of the estate's pathetic non-response to the fbi files and the claims that mj lawyers/accountants wd have drawn up loads of hush contracts and paid hush money. Certainly weitzman's lack of denial that he drew up a nda contract for a boy despite it being proudly displayed as 'evidence' in the media, would probably have given them some hope there was something going on.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why should Howard W have to respond to something he knew was BS? Those fake FBI files were a bunch of bullish and not true so his lack of response meant nothing
 
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^ If he knew that document was bullshit, why not say? I know far far more than the general public about mj allegations but i had to ask someone about that document as i couldn't believe that they would defame a living person in drawing up a fake document. Do not tell me i was the only person who wondered about this, i saw plenty online comments on media websites reading far more than they shd into the lack of denials from anyone official. And i really really dislike the hypocrisy of posters up in arms about the family not defending for example blanket against those slurs about that film, but come up continually with excuses for why the estate doesn't act when they cd defend mj's reputation.
 
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U know mj could have said all this and still not be guilty of anything, wade sounds like he's reaching here. How can a rational man hear a court room talking about the things u say mj was doing to u was wrong and not only do u hear it wrong u testify I didnt happen to u and now u say u didnt know ? Wtf? U knew because u were asked and u said no in court dummy u cant play stupid here cuz it doesnt fit. Plus u waited four years later to decide what u did in court was wrong. The whole world does nothing but talk about mj and child molestation for years and now u figured out what u and mj did was wrong are u kidding me? U would have to be living in an igloo not to know the difference. Please!
 
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My only hope is for the judge to be rational and rule based on law, something very unusual in MJ's world .

If it ends up in front of a jury, with Weitzman as a lawyer , the chances are very high MJ would be found liable.

Weizman has never been passionate about MJ. Unlike Mez , he always talks about technicalities not innocence .In 2005 he was a pundit on the case as a defense lawyer, he was there supposedly to represent the defense side ; still he did not even try to defend MJ , you could sense he did not care about MJ.
With their strategy of buying their peace of mind, I am really afraid they might pay Wade.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ If he knew that document was bullshit, why not say? I know far far more than the general public about mj allegations but i had to ask someone about that document as i couldn't believe that they would defame a living person in drawing up a fake document. Do not tell me i was the only person who wondered about this, i saw plenty online comments on media websites reading far more than they shd into the lack of denials from anyone official. And i really really dislike the hypocrisy of posters up in arms about the family not defending for example blanket against those slurs about that film, but come up continually with excuses for why the estate doesn't act when they cd defend mj's reputation.



You tend to forget Weitzman can't do anything unless Branca and McClain tell him to do it. And,I would call deposing Wade and pointing out his lies defenidng Michael's reputation anymore then someone named Jackson has done but that's for another thread
 
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In 2005 , Geraldo Riveria: " Howard, is Michael Jackson a pedophile ? did he molest these boys?" . Howard: " I was not in that room in 1993, I was not in 2003 , I don't know, I choose to believe he did not, but I was not there. "

Mez: " Michael Jackson is an innocent man, Michael Jackson never molested any child, Michael Jackson is not a pedophile"

Sums up everything
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Same reason why you would be asking the estate to helpfully send you information about 'mj's sexual activity with minors'. Wade's lawyer is just trolling, sending inflammatory requests for info and leaking his letters to tabloid websites, designed to ratchet up the pressure to get a settlement and deflect from the media story about his client being caught out in having to lie about when he knew about the estate.


It's not just your opinion he's accusing other people, Wade has to accuse other employees of mj of being complicit in the abuse he says he suffered from mj for his court cases. If this claim against the estate is thrown out, he's got another 2 claims against mj companies. To get round those requirements of sueing a company where the abuser is dead, he has to successfully prove that employees knew mj was an abuser and did nothing to prevent it. Just the fact there were allegations against mj in 93 will not be enough, although maybe wade is hoping it will be. Maybe they feel confident because of the estate's pathetic non-response to the fbi files and the claims that mj lawyers/accountants wd have drawn up loads of hush contracts and paid hush money. Certainly weitzman's lack of denial that he drew up a nda contract for a boy despite it being proudly displayed as 'evidence' in the media, would probably have given them some hope there was something going on.


Since he takes so much pride in the fact that he was adamantly against any settlement in 1993 , I highly doubt he was engaged in any "hush " contracts.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why not just blame everything on Weitzman?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why the Estate hired a lawyer who isn't even sure of the innocence of his client to begin with?
 
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My only loyality is to Michael Jackson. Not Weitzman, not Branca, not the Estate, not the Jacksons. I agree with Bonnie Blue and Soundmind that I do not have huge confidence in how the Estate will handle this. Especially after their reaction to the fake FBI files article. Taj Jackson was told not to file a complaint because they would do. They did but only to not to follow it up then. If they had no intention to follow it up at least they should have let Michael's family to do so. So this was pretty lame and disappointing by the Estate.

This little episode made me worried about how they will handle the case if the Judge happens to let it go ahead and seeing Weitzman not being confident in Michael's innocence does not make me more confident about the Estate (re. that quote Soundmind posted from 2005).

I also have to say that the way the Chandler case was handled by Michael's lawyers was poor. And Weitzman was one of the people who was responsible for that, no matter how much he says he was against the settlement (I'm not sure I believe it). The Chandlers and Larry Feldman make fun of the "kid's moves" MJ's lawyers, including Weitzman, made throughout the case. For example, as you know the settlement came about because the Chandlers managed to get the civil proceedings get ahead of the criminal. They achieved this citing Jordan's age. Feldman is gloating in the Chandler book about how stupid MJ's lawyers have been in their handling of this:

"So where do we go from here?"
"On Monday we'll file a motion to compel his testimony, because he won't show up as planned, and a motion for priorities."
"Because Jordie's under fourteen?"
"Right. And if Weitzman or Fields had a ****ing brain in their heads and knew anything about how to litigate, they would have delayed this till Jordie's fourteenth birthday. Because then we'd be ****ed, because I wouldn't get this motion."
"What makes you so sure you'll get it?"
"Oh, it's an absolute right. Jordie is entitled to a trial within one hundred and twenty days, There's absolutely nothing anybody can do to stop it, I mean, I don't know if there's a case where that right has come up against the Fifth Amendment, but there's no question it's our statutory right. There's no discretion, the judge has to do it. He has to find us a courtroom. We're gonna argue to the court that we want a trial date by January tenth.
"They're out of control, Evan. They don't know what the hell they're doin'. If they were smart they would have ****ed around with me on jurisdiction and kept delaying this as much as they could to prevent themselves from having to answer. And they only had to **** around for a couple of months!"
"Then why did they choose to go ahead with this?"
"I don't think they know what they're doin'. They're kid's moves!
But we'll know in three weeks if we get our motion. The worst is if they're granted a stay, then we go to the court of appeals. You think the Supreme Court is going to let this criminal stop this case for six years! No ****ing way!

So excuse me if I'm not that confident in Weitzman. Maybe he's a great business lawyer but this is a totally different matter. These allegations are very complicated it takes time for someone to fully see them through and I'm not sure at all the people at MJ's Estate see it through at the moment. If Weitzman saw it through he would be more like Mesereau in his confidence about Michael's innocence.

All I can say this is the most important "project" of the Estate to me. Michael's reputation is more important than any upcoming album or release, but it makes me worried that sometimes it seems to be the other way around for Michael's Estate.

Since he takes so much pride in the fact that he was adamantly against any settlement in 1993 , I highly doubt he was engaged in any "hush " contracts.

Of course, he wasn't. There was no settlement with anyone in 1992. That story was invented by a con-woman and tabloid broker called Taylea Shea. There was no basis to it. It would have been easy for Weitzman to shoot it down. That's why it is disappointing that he did not bother. If he does not bother to shoot down a rumour that is as easy to prove it's not true, what will he do when this case goes ahead and there will be all kind of allegations made by Wade?

In 2005 , Geraldo Riveria: " Howard, is Michael Jackson a pedophile ? did he molest these boys?" . Howard: " I was not in that room in 1993, I was not in 2003 , I don't know, I choose to believe he did not, but I was not there. "

Mez: " Michael Jackson is an innocent man, Michael Jackson never molested any child, Michael Jackson is not a pedophile"

Sums up everything

Or when Mez was asked in that Jordan radio podcast by a caller about if he believed MJ was innocent. His answer was: "I do not believe Michael Jackson was innocent. I KNOW he was innocent."
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why the Estate hired a lawyer who isn't even sure of the innocence of his client to begin with?

He is a friend of Branca. That's why he was part of MJ's team in 1993 and after MJ's death Branca brought him on board.

I would not call him MJ's lawyer. He is Branca's lawyer.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Branca was not Michael's lawyer in 93. Burt Fields was
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Michael had more than one lawyer. Branca was not directly involved in the team that dealt with the allegations, but Weitzman was.
 
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But there was no talk of a settlement before Johnny Cochran came on board. Who just happens to be friends with Larry Feldman, who just happened to do free legal work for him after the settlement. There is plenty of blame to go around about 93. But because you don't like the way things were handled or because someone didn't respond to something in a way you did not like does not mean anything
 
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There is a special hell for Johnny Cochran for what he did in O.J case and MJ's .
 
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But there was no talk of a settlement before Johnny Cochran came on board. Who just happens to be friends with Larry Feldman, who just happened to do free legal work for him after the settlement. There is plenty of blame to go around about 93. But because you don't like the way things were handled or because someone didn't respond to something in a way you did not like does not mean anything

Weitzman can say that he did not like the settlement but apparently the mistakes he made in litigation were a big part of why MJ was put in such a difficult situation by January 1994 where the civil trial was about to begin before the criminal investigation even ended. And that lead to the settlement.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry but I take no one named Chandler at their word on anything
 
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Sorry but I take no one named Chandler at their word on anything

It's a fact that MJ's lawyers played the game very poorly whether you believe the Chandlers about this or not. Fighting each other in public (Weitzman vs. Fields), and it's also a fact that it put MJ in a very difficult position by January 1994 that the civil lawsuit got ahead of the criminal. I think a legal analyst could analyze it if MJ's side did everything right and they really had no other choice or MJ's lawyers indeed messed up. I do think there were things they could have done better. One thing is for sure, the one Larry Feldman outplayed and outfoxed MJ's group of high-profile lawyers - that's not a good look on them as high-profile lawyers.

But OK, now Weitzman has his chance to show what he's worth. Obviously I hope he will fight Wade's allegations well and beat him.
 
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It's a fact that MJ's lawyers played the game very poorly whether you believe the Chandlers about this or not. Fighting each other in public (Weitzman vs. Fields), and it's also a fact that it put MJ in a very difficult position by January 1994 that the civil lawsuit got ahead of the criminal. I think a legal analyst could analyze it if MJ's side did everything right and they really had no other choice or MJ's lawyers indeed messed up. I do think there were things they could have done better. One thing is for sure, the one Larry Feldman outplayed and outfoxed MJ's group of high-profile lawyers - that's not a good look on them as high-profile lawyers.



I saw that happen on TV. Truth be told when they realized what was going on someone should have called the FBI and let them handle it before it got out of hand. They all knew what Evan Chandler was up to but were too busy trying to make themselves look good to Michael to bring in law enforcement


And Feldman had the help, the media and one of Michael's own lawyers
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I saw that happen on TV. Truth be told when they realized what was going on someone should have called the FBI and let them handle it before it got out of hand. They all knew what Evan Chandler was up to but were too busy trying to make themselves look good to Michael to bring in law enforcement



I agree. In my opinion, Michael's lawyers didn't help him at all in 1993. And personally, I don't like how the Estate have handled this Wade mess so far. This is a very serious case. And they need to really step up to the plate and deal with it. It's not doing any good to tell people to "ignore" it. And it is certainly not helping the Estate in dancing around the subject of Michael's innocence either. They need to take a much harder stand against this garbage, in my opinion.
 
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I agree. In my opinion, Michael's lawyers didn't help him at all in 1993. And personally, I don't like how the Estate have handled this Wade mess so far. This is a very serious case. And they need to really step up to the plate and deal with it. It's not doing any good to tell people to "ignore" it. And it is certainly not helping the Estate in dancing around the subject of Michael's innocence either. They need to take a much harder stand against this garbage, in my opinion.



I don&#8217;t see where they are ignoring anything. We know now Wade had to sit for a deposition and had to admit to lying about what he knew about the estate. So, you lost me on that part<o:p></o:p>
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm also waiting to see how The Estate with Weitzman handle this Wade B.S. if it goes to trial!? I wasn't and still am not impressed with how he (Weitzman) and the rest of MJs team back then handled 93. I think they were more worried about their rep then saving MJ life/career! Weitzman saying things like he didn't agree with the settlement and he wasn't in the room isn't defending MJ, it's defending himself and his own rep!
 
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