[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

Just like Tabitha Rose Marks (Jordan's girlfriend) and Lily Chandler. We know they have been subpoenaed but they want out of it. But they are also named as "Interested parties".

Interested party
Entity who has a recognizable stake in the outcome of a matter before a court, but may
not be directly involved in the litigation process. See also indispensable party and necessary party.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/interested-party.html

What kind of stake could Spence have in the outcome of this?
The mere fact that someone could be called to testify can make him an interested party?

Lets hope hes peed off with being dragged into it by robson and is going after them. Hes the one who got married at nevvy

Safe to say it's not the Estate which is trying to get something from Spence he doesn't want to do or show.
We know what Finaldi and Manly are capable of.

 

[Goddess4Real]

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I have no idea.......but over the last 8 years, we have all seen a number people who we thought were MJ's friends turn on him for attention and $$$$$$ by making all kinds of claims eg. Dr Arnold Klein, because when MJ died alot of them lost their meal ticket. I just hope we don't have to add Spence to this growing list

 

[ivy]

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Appeals aren't successful with such weak cases like Safechuck's and Robson's, are they?

According to Ivy the rate of successful appeals is at about 20%.

Per statistics, the success rate of an appeal is around 20%. But it also depends on the situation. Did Beckloff interpret and apply the law wrong? I don't think so.

Typically how fast these appeal court rulings are? Can take months?

I would say at minimum a year. sometimes 2 years. the average is 1-2 years. briefs don't get filed for months after filing.

What exactly can an appeal specialist do if she cannot bring new arguments?

It's not about new arguments. Appeal process is different than the regular court motions and such. That's why most of the time people hire an appeal specialist.

I wonder what's this is about?
08/31/2017 Notice of Motion (AND MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER AND REQUEST FOR MONETARY SANCTIONS IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,135.00; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES AND DECLARATION OF SEAN M. HARDY IN SUPPORT THEREOF)
Filed by Attorney for Real Pty in Interest

08/31/2017 Request for Judicial Notice (IN SUPPORT OF NON-PARTY JONATHAN SPENCE'S NOTICE OF MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER AND REQUEST FOR MONETARY SANCTIONS IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,135.00 )
Filed by Attorney for Real Pty in Interest


JP is listed as interested party in this case
JONATHAN SPENCE - Interested parties

I'm pretty sure that this is exactly the same thing that happened with Chandlers. Chandlers filed a protective order motion to not get deposed. I'm pretty sure that's what's happening here as well. Sanctions are probably Spence asking for his legal fees to file such motion. I'm pretty sure Estate isn't the one who is trying drag Spence,Chandler or anyone into this. So it makes me conclude that this is Finaldi's harassment again and Spence's motion is against Wade.

Also if Spence was cooperating or willing to cooperate with any deposition and such there wouldn't be a motion.

So I'm reading this as Spence being uncooperative with Robson/Safechuck. And that's good news IMO.

What kind of stake could Spence have in the outcome of this? The mere fact that someone could be called to testify can make him an interested party?

Yes being dragged to an deposition, being forced to testify, especially when the person has no relevant information can make them an interested party. As respect77 said Chandler's are also listed as interested parties. It doesn't mean they have a stake at the outcome. It means they were dragged to the process by the subpoenas served to them by Robson.

 

[#MJforever57]

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I have no idea.......but over the last 8 years, we have all seen a number people who we thought were MJ's friends turn on him for attention and $$$$$$ by making all kinds of claims eg. Dr Arnold Klein, because when MJ died alot of them lost their meal ticket. I just hope we don't have to add Spence to this growing list

Yep you are right we have seen this and it is sad. Peoples who you though are your friends are not your friends for ppls like Wade and James who said they were abuse by Michael and all the lies they are telling makes you wonder were they true friends or was it really all about the money.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

So it seems Spence has a spine. Good. Haters will hate this guy just like they hate Brett Mack Corey and Frank.

I noticed the Charlie Michaels story, just like the Quindoy story, is not in Wade's second amended complaint, filed on Feb 19 2014
https://www.scribd.com/document/235319581/Robson-Second-Amended-Complaint

The third one, filed on Dec 16 2014, has it:
https://www.scribd.com/document/324151013/Wade-Robson-Motion-To-Amend-Complaint

Neither those nor his fourth amended complaint mention any secret room let alone that Wade was in there
with Michael on 1990 Mother's Day or at any time.
However his mother testified that's what Wade told her:
https://s26.postimg.org/mn0l46q6h/Black-_Box-_Testing.jpg


If, as he told Matt Laurer and MJ's lawyers "I never forgot what happened between Michael and I"
if when he filed his original complaint he remembered what MJ told
him the second night when he was only seven to a degree that he could quote him verbatim
and remembered the first molestation in detail how come he didn't remember that he was molested in a secret room too?
How come he only "remembered" that after discovery revealed
that Charli Michaels told that story to the police?

Why would MJ want to keep Wade in a secret room while his mother is on the ranch,
especially for hours? Wouldn't he assume that the mother would get upset and demand
an explanation where the boy was all day?

Why would he need a secret room when Wade was quite willing to
sleep in his room and his mother had no problem with that?
He put do not disturb sign on his bedroom door, installed an alarm system,
had an upstairs bedroom with it's own door in addition to
suite's main door, both could be locked,
but that wasn't enough. He needs a secret room to molest Wade
risking that the mother would demand to know where Wade was?

Clearly the Robsons are willing to say just about anything to try
to incriminate MJ but just like Zonen back in 2005 they don't
realize all those things cannot be true at the same time.

 

[terrell]

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This bit of news doesn't surprise me...... Robson's lawyers fishing for alleged "victims" etc to beef up their farce of a case.

As I keep saying, "when you have to do this much fishing, it only means one thing BULL#$%^.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Key word here fishing Wade case was over a long time ago. That why Judge B gave them more then enough time to fix their case Wade and his lawyers fail to do so.
Come Sept 14 i hope Judge B comeback with a ruling before the 6 weeks the Judge really doesn't have to look over anything the case is the same as James (issues control) they fail to prone that the companies had control over Michael turn out Michael was the sole owner of his companies end of story.

 

[redfrog]

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^^ Right, you don't see victims treat each other this way in real serial molester cases. These boys not only do not help each
other some are outright sick of the other.

Finaldi is a scumbag but he is not stupid. He knows very well it makes no sense that these men
are so not willing to testify against their supposed abuser when it would be easier than ever before
MJ being dead and all. He knows MJ was not a molester and he is still pushing these cases and feeding the tabloid media
so he could hit the jackpot. He gives a new meaning for money is the root of all evil for sure.

 

[#MJforever57]

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So does this mean the companies are a no go seeing that Wade and his lawyers could not prove that the companies own Michael and the main focus is lineup victims now? I believe Judge B is finish with this case the Estate motion summary it up Wade and his lawyers have yet to prove anything happen and this case should be dismiss

 

[Justthefacts]

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Nothing but a bunch of babble from a babbling idiotic moron

 

[#MJforever57]

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I second that.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Why doesnt he go the full hog and become an MJ tribute act. He could go on tour and moonwalk and wear white socks and...... it could help his bank balance err sorry healing ?

 

[SarahJ]

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He would have made more money doing that then by the lawsuit.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

So now the phase begins when he is trying to rationalize his coming back to dancing to the public (despite of him claiming before in his lawsuit that he would never going to be able to do that again).

Nice to see he still found a way to use his sexual abuse lie to make himself "relevant and relatable". LOL.

Would be great is you posted this on that website.
Or send an email to them: info@danceinforma.com
They of course , as the media always does, just repeated the allegations.
Nothing about MJ's side of the story. And they talk about the trial date
like they will be a trial. The readers are totally misled by this propaganda.

You can contact the author of that article here https://twitter.com/holalolad?lang=en

 

[Annita]

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Today is the hearing of the summary judgement. I think there will be no report about this?
So only a few more weeks of waiting for getting the decision about the dismissal and it`s over.

 

[Cats-whiskas]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

It's sickening how quickly a so called friendship turns to greed. Milking money out of a dead man, with lies.

 

[terrell]

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These people are probably his go-to people in the media. He's been giving interviews to them in the past too. It's an Australian website or at least has strong Australian ties.

Exactly. I would not have seen this trash if I did not come on here. Nobody cares about this fool and wont even general the media either because the overall media clearly see through this nonsense by this jerk; and I believe even haters know he is a liar but when you want to be a hater, "you grab for straws".

 

[terrell]

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It's sickening how quickly a so called friendship turns to greed. Milking money out of a dead man, with lies.

Agree and people with brains know it.

 

[SarahJ]

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Exactly. I would not have seen this trash if I did not come on here. Nobody cares about this fool and wont even general the media either because the overall media clearly see through this nonsense by this jerk; and I believe even haters know he is a liar but when you want to be a hater, "you grab for straws".

A lot have seen through it for years. Didn't stop them then (and I don't mean just the allegations) and didn't stop them last year with the R.O. article. Since Trump's election now they have to be real news, well on most things anyway. Wade just isn't generating the interest ($$). However if for some insane reason he did get a trial, then I have no doubt they'd jump all over it.

Haters just do it because they get a sick kinda thrill out of it. Their more obessed with him than most fans are. And then some just are simpletons who can't reason anything at anytime.

 

[#MJforever57]

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It would be insane if the Judge let this case go to trial he did not let James move on Wade should not move on either both cases are the same. Wade and his lawyers have had more then enough time to fix his case and their fail to do so. Oh it would be so nice if the Judge come back with a ruling early then 2 weeks or 6 weeks. Looking at the Estate summary judgement against Wade plain and simple he has no case and there for this case should be dismiss.

 

[terrell]

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A lot have seen through it for years. Didn't stop them then (and I don't mean just the allegations) and didn't stop them last year with the R.O. article. Since Trump's election now they have to be real news, well on most things anyway. Wade just isn't generating the interest ($$). However if for some insane reason he did get a trial, then I have no doubt they'd jump all over it.

Haters just do it because they get a sick kinda thrill out of it. Their more obessed with him than most fans are. And then some just are simpletons who can't reason anything at anytime.

Alot of what you are saying is true; but still even before Trump, many media outlets did not cover Wade in 2013 when he came out with this foolness, and those outlets that did made a joke out of Wade.

 

[#MJforever57]

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See Wade was really hoping that if he came out with this story that the main stations would pick it up but it backfire on him. Peoples was still in shock over the death of Michael Jackson that why it did not get ant further then the TB. Wade whole goal was to sue the Estate for money. And you are right terrell those outlets did make a joke out of Wade.

 

[barbee0715]

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Alot of what you are saying is true; but still even before Trump, many media outlets did not cover Wade in 2013 when he came out with this foolness, and those outlets that did made a joke out of Wade.

Hate to say it, but I think the mainstream media had an awakening with Michael's death. For a full week they were still pushing the "eccentric freak/criminal" stuff and by the end of his televised memorial, that came to a halt.
The public spoke loud and clear by the outpouring of grief and they realized they were on the wrong side. Tabloids do what they always do.
Sadly, I think this would have had a ton of press if Michael was alive.

Anyway, praying, hoping and keeping fingers crossed that Beckloff does the right thing.

 

[SarahJ]

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So true.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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If MJ was alive this would not happen in the first place, but the Robson would still keep kissing his ass.

He's a disgusting, despicable coward to have the guts to accuse Michael in his face if he were still alive.

 

[PoP]

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He's a disgusting, despicable coward to have the guts to accuse Michael in his face if he were still alive.

I have the exact same attitude towards Steve Moore, both these two just as you described on Robson. Like he should be kissing Michael's @$$, I said that Moore should kiss Todd Bertuzzi's @$$.

 

[#MJforever57]

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We have mention this so many times in this thread if Michael was here you would not see this This is the same man who defend Michael in 2005 the same man who did a tribute with Michael sister Janet in 2009 and now in 2013 you are going to say you was abuse by Michael Jackson. This was all about the money to force the Estate into a quick settlement to make it go away.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

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No new news????

Is something wrong?

 

[wendijane]

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hes a ****

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Waiting on the ruling. Could take weeks